Talking bollocks thread

eehnie wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

eehnie wrote:

Just links and description of your words, that are obviously false )

Oh well, no brilliant mind creating that post after all. That's a shame.

Just someone with an overactive imagination, reading more into words and phrases than was ever intended by the author. Then just spewing out the conclusions of what is obviously a twisted mind like written diarrhoea.

All is a realistic reference to what you have been doing and saying, with links to contrast.

my name isn't Heimi

Godric wrote:

eehnie wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

eehnie wrote:

Just links and description of your words, that are obviously false )

Oh well, no brilliant mind creating that post after all. That's a shame.

Just someone with an overactive imagination, reading more into words and phrases than was ever intended by the author. Then just spewing out the conclusions of what is obviously a twisted mind like written diarrhoea.

All is a realistic reference to what you have been doing and saying, with links to contrast.

my name isn't Heimi

Sorry but you have to contribute properly...

KomissarBojanchev wrote:
Well in hindsight they should've stopped all funding for construction of gorshkov or anything amur shipyard related since they'll never get built anyway and should've bought any big soviet boats ukraine still had left.

WTF???

What is it that is so fucking hard for these people to understand? The Gorshkov is a cutting edge multi-role vessel that packs more combat capability than a pair of Sovremenneys into a hull barely half the size. Her weapons and system are all NEW, and the project was initiated while Russia was still gutted from the previous decade of 5th-columnist neolibtard misgoverance and associated corruption and large-scale looting of State enterprises. Under the circumstances, why are people complaining that the lead ship has taken 10 years??? Its a testament to Russian resolve that they have managed to rebuild their outdated & delapidated ship-building industry to where it is today, let alone commit to building a series of modern multirole frigates.

The Gorshkovs are going be good ships, and very combat capable. Try to understand the issues involved in their construction and the lengthy systems integration engineering taht is requiored to carry so many NEW modern weapons and systems on a single hull. I can't emphasise this strongly enough. Try to understand, or just stop posting and subjecting the sensible posters in this forum to such an endless babble of ignorance.....

Apologies to all concerned for going OT... but sometimes you read something that just pushes your rage button....

Big_Gazza wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:
Well in hindsight they should've stopped all funding for construction of gorshkov or anything amur shipyard related since they'll never get built anyway and should've bought any big soviet boats ukraine still had left.

WTF???  

What is it that is so fucking hard for these people to understand?  The Gorshkov is a cutting edge multi-role vessel that packs more combat capability than a pair of Sovremenneys into a hull barely half the size.  Her weapons and system are all NEW, and the project was initiated while Russia was still gutted from the previous decade of 5th-columnist neolibtard misgoverance and associated corruption and large-scale looting of State enterprises. Under the circumstances, why are people complaining that the lead ship has taken 10 years??? Its a testament to Russian resolve that they have managed to rebuild their outdated & delapidated ship-building industry to where it is today, let alone commit to building a series of modern multirole frigates.

The Gorshkovs are going be good ships, and very combat capable.  Try to understand the issues involved in their construction and the lengthy systems integration engineering taht is requiored to carry so many NEW modern weapons and systems on a single hull. I can't emphasise this strongly enough.  Try to understand, or just stop posting and subjecting the sensible posters in this forum to such an endless babble of ignorance.....

Apologies to all concerned for going OT...  but sometimes you read something that just pushes your rage button....

That all stands, however its all taking way too long. People landed on the Moon in third of the time. Dont start what you cant finish in dignified manner is my parole.

That all stands, however its all taking way too long. People landed on the Moon in third of the time. Dont start what you cant finish in dignified manner is my parole.

It has taken longer than it should have taken but there are reasons for that... whether you like them or not.

the facts of the matter is that the Navy is not really all that important to the defence of Russia except as far as SSBNs are concerned... so the fact that it has taken too long is not very important... except for Russophobes who want to troll.

Militarov wrote:

That all stands, however its all taking way too long. People landed on the Moon in third of the time. Dont start what you cant finish in dignified manner is my parole.

It takes 13 years for the Areva / Siemens to build a nuclear reactor in Finland.
At least, because they haven't finished it : )


The original target date was 2009, the current one is 2018.

Singular_Transform wrote:

Militarov wrote:

That all stands, however its all taking way too long. People landed on the Moon in third of the time. Dont start what you cant finish in dignified manner is my parole.

It takes 13 years for the Areva / Siemens to build a nuclear reactor in Finland.
At least, because they haven't finished it : )


The original target date was 2009, the current one is 2018.

Their fault for choosing EPR, i could tell you 10 years ago how it would end up being.

GarryB wrote:

That all stands, however its all taking way too long. People landed on the Moon in third of the time. Dont start what you cant finish in dignified manner is my parole.

It has taken longer than it should have taken but there are reasons for that... whether you like them or not.

the facts of the matter is that the Navy is not really all that important to the defence of Russia except as far as SSBNs are concerned... so the fact that it has taken too long is not very important... except for Russophobes who want to troll.

Aham...

Militarov wrote:

Singular_Transform wrote:

Militarov wrote:

That all stands, however its all taking way too long. People landed on the Moon in third of the time. Dont start what you cant finish in dignified manner is my parole.

It takes 13 years for the Areva / Siemens to build a nuclear reactor in Finland.
At least, because they haven't finished it : )


The original target date was 2009, the current one is 2018.

Their fault for choosing EPR, i could tell you 10 years ago how it would end up being.

So, the German & French engineering companies failed to design and deliver a design and installation that fit the purpose.

I have to mention that the same company designed a wash for the Paks NPP that failed miserably , and actually the Russians had to clean up after the French.

So yes, maybe it is good indication of the general state of German/France heavy industry : )

So, compared to this the Russians are .

Singular_Transform wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Singular_Transform wrote:

Militarov wrote:

That all stands, however its all taking way too long. People landed on the Moon in third of the time. Dont start what you cant finish in dignified manner is my parole.

It takes 13 years for the Areva / Siemens to build a nuclear reactor in Finland.
At least, because they haven't finished it : )


The original target date was 2009, the current one is 2018.

Their fault for choosing EPR, i could tell you 10 years ago how it would end up being.

So, the German & French  engineering companies failed to design and deliver a design and installation that fit the purpose.

I have to mention that the same company designed a wash for the Paks NPP that failed miserably , and actually the Russians had to clean up after the French.

So yes, maybe it is good indication of the general state of German/France heavy industry  : )

So, compared to this the Russians are .

Lets please not bring nuclear reactors and safety into this discussion it wont end well for you, since Russians have bag of major size regarding their failures in the field. Also please try for once to bring into discussion arguments that have something to do with topic. Because... nuclear powerplant... and shipbuilding... do not really corelate at this point.

And please... mocking German heavy industry, good one

Militarov wrote:......

That all stands, however its all taking way too long. People landed on the Moon in third of the time. Dont start what you cant finish in dignified manner is my parole.

2010 Rule. I mentioned it before.

Also when this thing started Russia was not able to do anything in dignified manner. Gotta start with something.

The same tired anti-Russian drivel from the same clown who thinks he can x-ray vision the quality of welds via internet photos.
A certifiable nut job.

As if Russia cares what some NATzO bootlick from the Balkans thinks. It is clear you worship Uncle Scumbag and his technological
might. Good for you, now bugger on off to another pro-NATO forum and wank yourself there.

kvs wrote:The same tired anti-Russian drivel from the same clown who thinks he can x-ray vision the quality of welds via internet photos.
A certifiable nut job.

As if Russia cares what some NATzO bootlick from the Balkans thinks.   It is clear you worship Uncle Scumbag and his technological
might.   Good for you, now bugger on off to another pro-NATO forum and wank yourself there.

Can you stop spamming same shit on every thread. You are welcome to bring your arguments if you have some, otherwise go away.

EDIT: (i will post this every time you start that welding story i swear to God almighty)

Weld:

eehnie wrote:Warning: This forum is unfortunately dominated by some pro-Israel propagandists.

JohninMK: 1. Saying: Present! in the defense of the interests of Israel. 2. "Kosher" man. 3. Trying anti-semite reaction. 4. Boss leading. 5. Boss leading again
KoSHeRMoRe: 1. Chinese intelligence "expert". 2. KoSHeRMoRe 3. Rabid zionist 4. WTF "Albanian", likely muslim, while rabid zionist. 5. WTF E Hoxha follower, while rabid anti-Chinese 6. Work in Top NATO European cities and Jordan.
GarryB: 1. Saying: Present! in the defense of the interests of Israel.2. More of the same with not credible posturing.
miketheterrible: 1. Saying: Present! in the defense of the interests of Israel. 2. More of the same. 3. Playing dirty, using words of others to blame me.
Militarov: 1. Saying: Present! in the defense of the interests of Israel. 2. More of the same.
PapaDragon: 1. Saying: Present! in the defense of the interests of Israel.
KiloGolf: 1. Saying: Present! in the defense of the interests of Israel.
ultimatewarrior: 1. Saying: Present! in the defense of the interests of Israel.
Azi: 1. Saying: Present! in the defense of the interests of Israel.
medo: 1. Saying: Present! in the defense of the interests of Israel.
whir: 1. Finding in the subpar topic, in defense of the gang.
auslander: 1. Finding in the subpar topic, in defense of the gang.
w...: Surprisingly missing.

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All a lie.

I am honored to make the list.

Had I known I would have put together an acceptance speech...

I think you can make that claim Garry because the Muslims that are going to Europe are taking their barbaric religion with them(or at least the most barbaric things of their religion to Europe) and they will likely destroy Europe if no one can stop them.

For the last four or five centuries Europe has been polluting the whole world with its bullshit... are they not open to change too?

The west has been created by the absorption of other cultures and ideas... they pinch maths from here and architecture from there and different fruits and vegetables from around the world... did they really believe its abuse would only work in one direction?

If Europe continues to act the way it does in the last few centuries who would stop a change... what is worth saving exactly?

With Trump it was clear since the begin. The people was warned.

There was no practical alternative... Clinton would be much much worse.

GarryB wrote:
For the last four or five centuries Europe has been polluting the whole world with its bullshit... are they not open to change too?

The west has been created by the absorption of other cultures and ideas... they pinch maths from here and architecture from there and different fruits and vegetables from around the world... did they really believe its abuse would only work in one direction?

If Europe continues to act the way it does in the last few centuries who would stop a change... what is worth saving exactly?

What polution is Europe pouring onto the world? How exactly is Islam an improvement over what is already there? Not enough beheadings in the street for you? Not enough beastality porn being downloaded? Not enough slaves?
How exactly do you 'pinch' maths or architecture? The whitest most European nation on the planet, Iceland, has the lowest crime rates. You seem to project onto Europe and Europeans anything nasty you can. They are genetically identical to Russians, (the viking Rus is where they get their name, also red and blonde hair). This selfloathing of your is completly unhinged from any kind of reality, completly off topic and is as inaccurate as the propaganda in your signature. Your projectile vomited hatred of all things white and European simply points you out as an inadequate fool. If you have no answeres or refutations to put forward don't waste my time with more of your childish insults and tantrums.

What polution is Europe pouring onto the world?

Its morals.

The people of the earth have been told to cover their dirty bodies because nudity is filth. You can only have a christian definition of marriage... one man... one woman for life.

Ironically now the message is that homos have rights and children must be taught in a non gender specific way so they don't feel trapped if they think their bodies don't reflect their mental gender identity.

I mean having a boys toilet and a girls toilet in a primary school is obviously abuse... forcing children to choose to be one or the other...

How exactly is Islam an improvement over what is already there?

Islam is obviously evil because anything that does not meet Europes high morals and standards is different and different is not acceptable.

Not enough beheadings in the street for you?

The last beheading I saw on the internet was of a 14 year old boy. He had been captured by western supported moderate rebels and was beheaded... so really it is your guys doing that... aren't you happy your tax dollars are going to supporting these patriot freedom fighters...

Of course Sharia law is too immediate... Not enough money just cutting off the hand of a thief... clearly what you really need is an overcrowded prison system where isolation and rape will make them much better citizens when they are released after serving a fraction of the sentence they were given.
They will learn their lesson being locked up with murderers and rapists... and become model citizens.

Not enough beastality porn being downloaded?

What have British politicians got to do with this?

Not enough slaves?

Hahahahahahahaha... that is how western business works... find a country where there are no workers rights and a very low wage and build your factory there and make productions 24/7 for less than dollar a day. Anyone complains they disappear.

How exactly do you 'pinch' maths or architecture?

Cultures you destroy... you get to choose what to keep and what to suppress.

The whitest most European nation on the planet, Iceland, has the lowest crime rates.

So white people are the best... your complaint about Islam is that it is a coloured mans religion?

You seem to project onto Europe and Europeans anything nasty you can.

The west claims to be the pinnacle of civilisation... why are things not perfect now?

They are genetically identical to Russians, (the viking Rus is where they get their name, also red and blonde hair).

Really don't understand this point... I have nothing to do with Russia ethnically.

This selfloathing of your is completly unhinged from any kind of reality, completly off topic and is as inaccurate as the propaganda in your signature.

I have no self loathing. I have my issues but I don't invade countries in the name of peace and democracy, nor do I overthrow governments in the same name to steal their resources.

Your projectile vomited hatred of all things white and European simply points you out as an inadequate fool.

Yeah... all of Europes past crimes should be forgotten because that was a different time and everyone was bad then.

If you have no answeres or refutations to put forward don't waste my time with more of your childish insults and tantrums.

You are reaping what you sowed... deny it all you want.

I am sure all those economic migrants will stop trying to come to europe soon because all their problems at home have been so effectively and efficiently fixed by the wests use of air power and sanctions and support for terrorists... sorry freedom fighters.

EU signed a death sentence when it comes to islamofascists. Hell why not, let the hordes of Chaos over-run twisted Old World. Everything that was great in Europe is now perverted - philosophy, arts, literature, music, architecture.. Kill it with fire I say!

Also what I've noticed living in West that Western Europeans are far inferior to Eastern Europeans. They are weak, pampered by government, lived all their lives in a bubble, they are also mentally dull and indoctrinated. Sounds similar to last romans who were subjugated as weaklings.

Maybe one day Eastern Europe will be last bastion of European heritage. Russia itself contributed to this treasure for centuries and now west is wasting it away.

GarryB wrote:Ironically now the message is that homos have rights and children must be taught in a non gender specific way so they don't feel trapped if they think their bodies don't reflect their mental gender identity.

There a way how to help them. Release them from their bodies. Or at least give them good beating so they will know their ways are not welcome.

So white people are the best... your complaint about Islam is that it is a coloured mans religion?

It's a fact that niggers and arabs are more likely to commit crime. Religion comes in play too. Armenians, while being brown are way better than white Kosovars who are filth of the earth.

The west claims to be the pinnacle of civilisation... why are things not perfect now?

It's not just west, all europe is pinnacle of civilisation, west is misguided.

Yeah... all of Europes past crimes should be forgotten because that was a different time and everyone was bad then.

Weak should fear the strong. Might makes right. Russia got big on skulls and bones too, they brought culture to various mongoloids. What matters is result.

Big_Gazza wrote:

kvs wrote:

GarryB wrote:The plan was to reduce costs by making major parts reusable.

The problem was that in reality the cost of actually locating the reusable parts and refurbishing them to allow reuse made them more expensive... not less expensive.

The Space Shuttle was the epitome of gold plating if you take its name at face value... billions of dollars to take three people up to the Space Station and return three people from same said station.

A Soyuz could do that for less than 60 million.

Using the Space shuttle for taking up crews or cargo to the ISS was a tremendous waste of money.

For capturing satellites and repairing them and then releasing them back into orbit was about the only thing the shuttle was any use for... and still very expensive.

And the satellite fixing operations were almost non-existent.  The Hubble telescope was the only big thing I can recall being fixed in orbit.
When people wank off about Space-X having commercialized reusable orbiting platforms they should consider the experience with the shuttle.
It is likely that the refurbishment of Space-X hardware will be very expensive.

Reusable orbital capability is not ready yet.   When pulse detonation engines are perfected there will be a way to design "HOTOL" type
rocket-planes that take off from runways, use air lift to gain altitude while gaining high speed and then rocket their way to LEO using the same engines.  
The Shuttle was a glorified conventional rocket system.

Agree 100%, and I have nothing but disdain for these clowns who think that "humanity" stands "on the cusp" of a "grand expansion into space".  Its all hogwash.  Space activities are driven by a real need for orbital assets that deliver real benefits (and are economically justifiable), and the costs of the booster is a small part of the equation.  Rockets are cheap compared to the expensive payloads such as commsats and science payloads, and any (alleged) Muskian cost reductions will only led to a slighty enhance profit margin for the owners.  It won't lead to any appreciable increase in launch rates unless the demand exists for more payloads.

Its still very depressing that space exploration is going so slow. So much of our solar system won't be explored in our lifetime. Besides its so shortsighted to only use space for communication technologies, there are so much more mineral resources in asteroids that will expand our economy heavily. Who knows what kind of new alloys we could make in industrial quantities that we don't know of because many metals are so rare and poorly researched on earth.

KomissarBojanchev wrote:
Its still very depressing that space exploration is going so slow. So much of our solar system won't be explored in our lifetime. Besides its so shortsighted to only use space for communication technologies, there are so much more mineral resources in asteroids that will expand our economy heavily. Who knows what kind of new alloys we could make in industrial quantities that we don't know of because many metals are so rare and poorly researched on earth.

All of the planets in our Solar system have been explored at least once by robots, as well as Pluto & Ceres and a bunch of asteroids and comets.

Resources in Asteroids? Like what exactly? Unlike Earth where environmental processes act over millons (or billions) of years to concentrate minerals into economically extractable deposits, asteroids are mostly primitive undifferentiated bodies which are exceedingly unlikely to present any conveniently concentrated lodes of useful minerals. In any event, what exactly is it that is so valuable that it will recover the cost of spacecraft, fuel, launch vehicle and years of spacecraft operations? A $500M mission to recover a few hundred kilos of what?

The Earth is an unrivalled source of mineral wealth, and distant planetary bodies across billions of kms of empty radiation-soaked hard vacuum isn't going to replace terrestial mining anytime soon.

Big_Gazza wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:
Its still very depressing that space exploration is going so slow. So much of our solar system won't be explored in our lifetime. Besides its so shortsighted to only use space for communication technologies, there are so much more mineral resources in asteroids that will expand our economy heavily. Who knows what kind of new alloys we could make in industrial quantities that we don't know of because many metals are so rare and poorly researched on earth.

All of the planets in our Solar system have been explored at least once by robots, as well as Pluto & Ceres and a bunch of asteroids and comets.

Resources in Asteroids?  Like what exactly?  Unlike Earth where environmental processes act over millons (or billions) of years to concentrate minerals into economically extractable deposits, asteroids are mostly primitive undifferentiated bodies which are exceedingly unlikely to present any conveniently concentrated lodes of useful minerals.  In any event, what exactly is it that is so valuable that it will recover the cost of spacecraft, fuel, launch vehicle and years of spacecraft operations?  A $500M mission to recover a few hundred kilos of what?  

The Earth is an unrivalled source of mineral wealth, and distant planetary bodies across billions of kms of empty radiation-soaked hard vacuum isn't going to replace terrestial mining anytime soon.

Asteroids have resources such as Iridium,  Helium-3, Platinum, and who knows what else that costs hundreds of thousands of $ per kilogram here on earth. A single asteroid can have trillions of dollars worth of extremely rare metals on earth. The only expensive part of asteroid mining is getting there. Asteroids are incredibly easy to mine due to extremely low Gs and they have enough supplies of fertilizer and water to create hydroponics farms easily.

What happens when we run out of Palladium? Titanium? Iridium? Thorium?

Robots don't count.

Besides your whole point is moot. Space exploration shouldn't be done for the whims of communications companies or short term profit, but for the long term advancement of space exploration, human transportation, and human advancement.

If asteroids rustle your jimmies, we could at least mine the moon. Or are multibillion dollar social network franchises more important than funding new technologies in space with massive rewards?

Hahahahaha... close your eyes and imagine what you would see if you were in the middle of the asteroid field...

Would you see a huge mass of tumbling rocks from the size of a grain of sand up to the size of a mountain or bigger just filling your field of view... or would you just see stars...

If you answer the former... then you watch too much Star Wars.

If real asteroid fields were like the fields in Star Wars the enormous amount of mass would collapse together and form planets... the asteroid belt is so far out that to create a ring with that much material would mean more mass than all of the objects in the solar system put together...

Moving between asteroids would take enormous amounts of energy and time and you would not know what materials are in each lump until you can analyse them.

More important the lack of gravity would be an enormous problem... just like fixing a space station in earth orbit if you drop a spanner it will float away and you will never get it back. Drilling into a surface will push you back off the surface so your drill actually wont cut into the surface it will just push you off it... or away from it... either is not good for drilling.

It would make rather more sense to approach the larger objects only and even then there would be problems like lack of fuel, lack of gravity etc etc.

In comparison, on Mars there is likely rocket fuel there (ie water) and gravity makes operations of most mining equipment much easier and safer.

GarryB wrote:Hahahahaha...
or would you just see stars...

If you answer the former... then you watch too much Star Wars.

Of course I know that asteroids are spaced out. I never said anything to the contrary.

just like fixing a space station in earth orbit if you drop a spanner it will float away and you will never get it back.

You can't be serious. Then you use a drone to retrieve it or just mount a thruster suit. Technology for that exists even today.

comparison, on Mars there is likely rocket fuel there (ie water)

And most asteroids have a very large amount of water ice in them. Your point is invalid.

Moving between asteroids would take enormous amounts of energy and time and you would not know what materials are in each lump until you can analyse them.

We already know from spectrometry from earth what each asteroid generally contains. Travelling the entire belt prospecting would be retarded.
It costs the most to leave the earth's gravity well. Travel in a zeroG vaccuum is incredibly efficient. Even compressed air would work for travelling between asteroids in the belt. Besides we have other energy efficient engines exclusively for space, ion thrusters being optimal. If you think ion thrusters are impossible. Hydroponics on asteroid bases would create ethanol as fuel.

It would make rather more sense to approach the larger objects only and even then there would be problems like lack of fuel, lack of gravity etc etc.

There are hundreds of near earth asteroids so no, you won't run out of fuel getting there.

Drilling into a surface will push you back off the surface so your drill actually wont cut into the surface it will just push you off it... or away from it... either is not good for drilling.

You seriously have no common sense, do you. That's why you attachthe driller to the surface. Besides since asteroids aren't as inaccessible as the earth's crust. The drillers needed to get to the minerals would be much lighter and weaker simply because you don't need to drill for kilometers to even have a chance to find precious ores. If you think drillers are unusable in space, there's always explosives.

You haven't got a clue...

Any minerals of economic value on asteroids are going to be in the from of trace quantities distributed through the bulk asteroidal materials.  You won't find "nuggets" of iridium lying close to the surface patiently waiting to be be picked up, or within easy reach of a strip mining vehicle.  Asteroids are mostly undifferentiated primitive bodies. To get the useful minerals you will need to process VAST quantities of useless dross, just like we do here on Earth.  You think an automated processing plant for the extraction of rare earth metals is going to be cheap or lightweight?  What about the vehicles required to gather up the soil/dust/rocks and transport it to the refinery?  What about the energy requirments for the extraction process (metals processing nearly always involves high temperatures, ie furnaces)?  What about disposing of the resulting slag?  What about living quarters for the workforce, and food/water etc?  What about the vast expense of designing, building, testing, launching, flying and assembling all this infrastructure on a tiny distant near-gravityless rock in the middle of nowhere?  What about the enormous energy requirements to achieve the deltaV needed to returns the 1000s of tons of valuable minerals that would be required to even have a chance to make the venture economically justified?

How valuable is iridium?  How much do we need?  Are we really prepared to go to the extraordinary difficulty of mining asteroids to get it?  

The bottom line is that their is NOTHING in space that is so valuable that it justifies the enormous cost of acquiring it. This ain't Hollywood sonny, it's hard cold reality...