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The Situation in the Ukraine. #10
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Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #10
So UKRs are surrounded or not ?
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Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #10
First Linkage Between DPR and LPR Forces near Debaltsevo Reported
1/27/2015
LPR and DPR report linking near Debaltsevo.
Internet report from LPR militiaman “Schastlivyy” [Happy]:
Translated from Russian by J.Hawk
“We have made contact with DPR at Debaltsevo. We are supporting them with artillery, we are receiving self-propelled howitzer and MRL reinforcements. We can hear them and see them. We destroyed a couple of Ukrainian fortifications in the last day.”
Translator's Note: This is the first internet report of the two Novorossia forces making contact with one another at any point of the Debaltsevo pocket. It suggests that the Ukrainian forces are now fragmented. The gradual collapse of the Debaltsevo salient may be the reason for the recent frenzy of activity, including the uncoordinated Ukrainian attacks along the entire front, and the Verkhovna Rada declaring Russia to be an "aggressor."
http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/01/first-linkage-between-dpr-and-lpr.html
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Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #10
Nice and congrats to new Greece government .. they arrived just in time
FT: Greece refused to support the EU's threat against Russia
FT: Greece refused to support the EU's threat against Russia
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Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #10
"No Money For War"--IMF to Ukraine
1/27/2015
No Money for War (Lagarde)
Translated from Russian by J.Hawk
The International Monetary Fund will assist Ukraine only after the situation inside the country is stabilized. The IMF Executive Director Christine Lagarde made this announcement in a Monday interview with Le Monde.
In her words, IMF experts assumed that the conflict would be over by the winter when determining the financial support plan. “Now we are developing new variants, including giving Ukraine four years to implement reforms”, clarified Lagarde.
She also said that the level of financing will “probably be somewhat higher than anticipated,” but that will depend on military-political factors. Lagarde underscored that all IMF plans assume the stabilization of situation in Ukraine. “That is the priority. The linkage between economic and military situation is self-evident,” said Lagarde.
To translate into human language, THEY WILL NOT GIVE KIEV ANY MONEY (as if there were any doubts). That means the situation will develop rapidly and toward the rapid deterioration of the internal situation and toward an COUP D’ETAT of one sort or another. It’s only a matter of time (give or take a month). But this time it won’t be the usual standing around on a square, but a swift and short clash of armed men or a CAPITULATION without a fight (which cannot be ruled out, since it would be preferable to Poroshenko, but I’m sure the Kremlin would not like that, therefore we’re still waiting).
The economy, in the meantime, awaits paralysis. It has already begun. Factories are being idled on a mass scale, people are being given unpaid furloughs, which is equivalent to being condemned to starvation (and if you took out a loan in foreign currency, you might as well hang yourself).
Unfortunately (because Ukraine is after all my country, and Ukrainians my countrymen) there are no good options for them in the near future. Only bad and worse ones.
Translator’s Note: Aside from the obvious fact that the junta is entering into a veritable Gotterdammerung (twilight of the Gods) comparable to the Nazi German regime’s, when it was increasingly engaging in self-destructive activities (for example, Hitler’s infamous “Nero Decree”), it should be also clear that the West’s role in Ukraine’s civil war is approximately the same as in Libya and Syria. They were perfectly happy to undermine the country’s fragile political system, hoping that the new thugs would quickly take control and reward their Western benefactors with lucrative contracts or privatization deals. But once the country spirals out of control they walk away, looking for another tempting target. The Kiev “elite” is struggling against that hard reality, and its actions suggest that if they plausibly threaten a Ukrainian disintegration, that by itself will force the West to pony up tens of billions of dollars to shore up Ukraine’s economy (and line the pockets of anyone connected to the Kiev “elite”). The recent declaration of Russia as an “aggressor” is as much a game of chicken with the IMF as it is with Russia.
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Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #10
A picture tells a thousand words...
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Novo captured 3 settelments and approach Debaltsevo at the right side.
However, Ukie troops retook Troiske. And they are attacking another settelements on the south. The pocket is tougher than I thought.
At the bottom of the pocket, Novo troops took the town Novoorlivka. And they are trying to push the Ukie out of Marinka.
In Marinka, the facist local headquarters was destroyed by gunfire. Ukie facists was reported to ran away in panic.
http://rusvesna.su/news/1422390564
However, Ukie troops retook Troiske. And they are attacking another settelements on the south. The pocket is tougher than I thought.
At the bottom of the pocket, Novo troops took the town Novoorlivka. And they are trying to push the Ukie out of Marinka.
In Marinka, the facist local headquarters was destroyed by gunfire. Ukie facists was reported to ran away in panic.
http://rusvesna.su/news/1422390564
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Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #10
Ukie facist is sending boys and teens to the dead zone.
http://lifenews.ru/news/149000
http://lifenews.ru/news/149000
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Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #10
Donetsk Ministry of Defense briefing: Ukrainian National Guard shot 20 Ukrainian soldiers overnight
January 27, 2015
Eduard Basurin (DPR) - Newsfront
Translated by Kristina Rus
DPR MOD Frontline Update
After a loss suffered on January 26, the enemy turned to offensive activities on separate fronts.
Fearing encirclement, Ukrainian forces are leaving the Debaltsevo ledge. On Donetsk front the enemy with the forces of the 25th airmobile brigade undertook unsuccessful attempts to attack Donetsk airport.
The attack has been repelled.
During the fighting militia burned 4 tanks and 4 BMD. The loss of live forces was up to 50 people killed.
On Debaltsevo front the enemy has unsuccessfully attempted to regain control over North Eastern part of Debaltsevo. Counter attack by NAF pushed UAF to its former positions.
On Mariupol front there were no active military operations.
Over the last 24 hours as a result of military operations total losses of security forces of Ukraine were: 21 tank, 14 BMP and BTR, 7 field artillery weapons, as well as up to 170 killed and wounded. 11 Ukrainian soldiers have surrendered.
I want to emphasize that repeated announcements by Kiev about large losses of NAF is a typical propaganda fake. In a 40 million Ukraine, as is well known, losses of a thousand people are easy to hide for the Kiev junta.
We have a lot fewer people. We all know each other, we are all acquainted. Therefore such losses, if we really had them would be impossible to hide. We really do have losses, in the last weeks we lost 62 fighters, who we said are good byes to.
However, the losses of Ukrainian forces for the same period are not comparable - more then 1,100 people. The bodies of most of the killed Ukrainians are laying in the fields for more then a week. No one from the commanders of Ukrainian forces is trying to take them out.
More then 70 Ukrainian soldiers have surrendered since January 9th.
We would like to bring to the attention of the world community and international organizations, the increasing shelling of our cities by the Ukrainian artillery, which leads to mass deaths among peaceful residents, including children.
The number of killed and wounded among the peaceful residents of Donetsk is in the hundreds.
Although for Poroshenko all of them are separatists.
Instead of objective and diligent investigation of these crimes with participation of representatives of OSCE, Ukrainian authorities continue to engage in propaganda demagogue and hide their own war crimes.
As a result the number of victims among the peaceful population is growing.
Ukrainian troops are demoralized, which is shown by unprecedented incident, which occurred last night.
During overnight clashes a wounded soldier from 128th separate mountain-infantry brigade had surrendered, and talked during questioning about the facts of using "zagradotriads" [army police] from the territorial battalions against Ukrainian soldiers. As a result of shooting at Ukrainian soldiers head on from the positions of the National Guard, more then 20 people died on the spot, several dozen more were wounded. The rest of the soldiers of the 128th brigade ran away, according to him.
This is just halfway of the report..
an update of the conflict by donetsk authorities.. continues..
http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/01/donetsk-ministry-of-defense-briefing.html
and a brief summary by saker media youtube channel with a touch of humor.
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Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #10
Looks like US media is claiming Itar-Tass is a Russian spy agency. This is coming off the heels of recent comments from the head of the Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG) who's now claiming 'Russia Today' is on par and comparable to ISIS...this is getting really pathetic:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/27/meet-russian-spies-best-friends-in-the-media-itar-tass.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/27/meet-russian-spies-best-friends-in-the-media-itar-tass.html
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Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #10
Alleged video of the Azov battalion engaging in looting:
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Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #10
Anyone knows how is the public opinion in Russia towards how US and Europe support turn blind eye
of kiev crimes against eastern civilians and their support for nazism? What does the average Russian think?
Do they want Russia to stay away of Ukraine and let them solve their problems.. regardless of the civilians
casualties asking for help to RUssia and they support their government actions? Also how they see
that the European Union threaten always Russia with more sanctions whenever kiev provoke more violence?
Is sickening the level of hypocrisy of Europe.. turn a blind eye of the civilians killed in eastern ukraine.. not a single
condemnation against kiev ,not just slightly.. in months of war..with thousands civilians killed,women and children.
but when mariupol is shelled and looks like Rebels could have done it..(just like the MH-17) then they call more more sanctions.. not on kiev but on Russia..
It will be interesting to see a poll ,about what Russians think moscow should do there .. and how they see
US and Europe blatant hypocrisy of turning blind eye on kiev war crimes and blaming Russia for all. Specially interesting how other political parties that are more pro integration with the west see it..
Personally it looks for me so pathetic . Like watching a pehophile rape a children every day and later call police
to report that someone else did it.. the next day the same man enter another house rape a children and call police
to denounce the crime.. and police do nothing to arrest the criminal.. You can see that with how the MH-17
was blamed in Russia and sanctions applied on Russia because of that crime.. nothing done against kiev.. then now that evidence shows that kiev did it.. no one cares about the investigation in Europe or US.
Obama goes finance ISIS and other terrorist group in Syria and IRAQ fueling the conflict there and same in Ukraine.. give money and weapons to encourage them to continue fighting and violates openly the territorial integrity of Syria and Europe absolutely says NOTHING.. oh but how dare Russia try to help civilians in eastern ukraine that are being bombed every day for close to a year.
In other news Findland says is ready for more sanctions on Russia , (after kiev breaks the cease fire and start a new offensive against eastern ukraine)
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150128/1017430378.html
Are their blatant hypocrisy a consequence of US blackmail on them..or they are simply immoral and corrupt ?
Said in another way.. is Europe really so fucked ,and owned by US Gov.. and they do what they do for fear of
retaliations against them.. or most of Europe is really as corrupt as their anglozionist masters?
of kiev crimes against eastern civilians and their support for nazism? What does the average Russian think?
Do they want Russia to stay away of Ukraine and let them solve their problems.. regardless of the civilians
casualties asking for help to RUssia and they support their government actions? Also how they see
that the European Union threaten always Russia with more sanctions whenever kiev provoke more violence?
Is sickening the level of hypocrisy of Europe.. turn a blind eye of the civilians killed in eastern ukraine.. not a single
condemnation against kiev ,not just slightly.. in months of war..with thousands civilians killed,women and children.
but when mariupol is shelled and looks like Rebels could have done it..(just like the MH-17) then they call more more sanctions.. not on kiev but on Russia..
It will be interesting to see a poll ,about what Russians think moscow should do there .. and how they see
US and Europe blatant hypocrisy of turning blind eye on kiev war crimes and blaming Russia for all. Specially interesting how other political parties that are more pro integration with the west see it..
Personally it looks for me so pathetic . Like watching a pehophile rape a children every day and later call police
to report that someone else did it.. the next day the same man enter another house rape a children and call police
to denounce the crime.. and police do nothing to arrest the criminal.. You can see that with how the MH-17
was blamed in Russia and sanctions applied on Russia because of that crime.. nothing done against kiev.. then now that evidence shows that kiev did it.. no one cares about the investigation in Europe or US.
Obama goes finance ISIS and other terrorist group in Syria and IRAQ fueling the conflict there and same in Ukraine.. give money and weapons to encourage them to continue fighting and violates openly the territorial integrity of Syria and Europe absolutely says NOTHING.. oh but how dare Russia try to help civilians in eastern ukraine that are being bombed every day for close to a year.
In other news Findland says is ready for more sanctions on Russia , (after kiev breaks the cease fire and start a new offensive against eastern ukraine)
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150128/1017430378.html
Are their blatant hypocrisy a consequence of US blackmail on them..or they are simply immoral and corrupt ?
Said in another way.. is Europe really so fucked ,and owned by US Gov.. and they do what they do for fear of
retaliations against them.. or most of Europe is really as corrupt as their anglozionist masters?
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- Post n°552
Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #10
Gotta say I wet myself at least a *little bit* when I first stumbled across that article. What kind of idiots do they think we are? Er.... Idiots the American population are? Errrrr...... Oh, wait a second....magnumcromagnon wrote:Looks like US media is claiming Itar-Tass is a Russian spy agency. This is coming off the heels of recent comments from the head of the Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG) who's now claiming 'Russia Today' is on par and comparable to ISIS...this is getting really pathetic:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/27/meet-russian-spies-best-friends-in-the-media-itar-tass.html
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Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #10
In more news Poroshenko adviser apparently leaks the disaster of the 4th wave mobilization... Ukrainians
from 20% to 50% depending on zones ,that have been asked to show up for training ,refuse to join the war.. and flee to bordering nations like Romania or Russia.
Apparently the adviser in frustration and upset for the lack of patriotism posted the information on his facebook page and later was removed.
Poroshenko adviser leaks disastrous data about the fourth wave of mobilization
"He hoarsely shouts "Glory to Ukraine", tells everyone what a neurotically typical patriot he is. He is the best strategist in the history of modernity, is able by the power of thought to destroy enemy BTRG. Of course his profile is full of national symbols. He is a resident of Ivano-Frankivsk, Ternopil, Transcarpathia, Volyn regions [note Central and Eastern regions are not included, but no one cares what they think or want]. He despises the weakness of Kiev authorities, has juicy comments for the President. He argues passionately that speaking Russian language is a sign of working for the Moscals.
But also - he is a cowardly bastard... pinning his tail between his legs, he hides from the Commissar, he changes his phone number, he collects his possessions and runs to Romania, Hungary, Slovakia or Poland. And sits there, amused with his genius.
Got the first report on the implementation of the plan of the fourth wave of mobilization. Across the country, in each region.
AND I DON'T GET IT!
I don't understand the phrases, do not understand the facts.
... The heads of 14 rural councils of Ivano-Frankivsk oblast refused to accept the summons for notifications
... 57% of notified conscripts in Ivano-Frankivsk region did not arrive for medical commission.
... 37% of notified conscripts of Ivano-Frankivsk region have left the territory of Ukraine
... Heads of rural councils of Ternopil region openly sabotage events of notification, in case of appearance in the area of representatives of RVC - warn the residents of their own and surrounding villages.
... the head of the village council of Konyukhi, Kozovsky district reported that local people rented 2 buses and left for the territory of the Russian Federation.
Full report.
http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/01/poroshenko-adviser-leaks-disastrous.html
In more news Kiev parliament declare Russia an aggressor.. in efforts to get a solid case for strong sanctions
against Russia in this week. They start a major offensive against eastern Ukraine ,breaking the cease of fire ,and things does not goes as planned and now they blame Russia for the escalation of violence ,that they provoked.
IS interesting how kiev major offensive began just 2-3 days after France called for lifting sanctions on Russia..
The entire conflict in Ukraine is a USA economic war on Russia.. Using Ukraine violence that they instigate to isolate Russia from Europe.
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Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #10
magnumcromagnon wrote:Looks like US media is claiming Itar-Tass is a Russian spy agency. This is coming off the heels of recent comments from the head of the Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG) who's now claiming 'Russia Today' is on par and comparable to ISIS...this is getting really pathetic:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/27/meet-russian-spies-best-friends-in-the-media-itar-tass.html
If ITAR Tass is Russian spy agency then what are BBC, RFI, RFA, Fox News ?
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- Post n°555
Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #10
Regular wrote:So UKRs are surrounded or not ?
I think the pincer has been closed—this is from various news outlets.
Normally this kind of "news" is released with the required time delay.
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Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #10
Only 6% of the Ukie volunteers responded to the recent mobilization.
Mass dessertion and evasion of military duty is everywhere. Many of the Ukie people ran toward... Russia.
In Kosovskogo village, the whole population of the village hired 2 bus and ran toward Russia.
Putin said on Monday that Russia might extend the period of sojourn in Russian territory for Ukrainians of conscription age who can be drafted into the Ukrainian army.
http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/01/28/2855?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
http://www.kp.ru/daily/26333/3217369/
http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/3471788-mobylyzatsyia-2015-na-zakarpate-luidy-vyezzhauit-za-hranytsu-tselymy-selamy
Oh oh oh , why Ukrainian people do not want to participate in the glorious national defence against the "agression of Russia" ?
Pianist Valentina Lisitsa claimed that Ukrainian people love in Russia because Russians pay better salary and have better chance of promotion. Ukie hate Russia but want to work at Russia, receive Russian money.
http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2015/01/19/star-pianistin-lisitsa-es-gibt-plaene-fuer-einen-grossen-ausverkauf-der-ukraine/
What happen ? Why Ukie people work for "evil Russia" ?
Mass dessertion and evasion of military duty is everywhere. Many of the Ukie people ran toward... Russia.
In Kosovskogo village, the whole population of the village hired 2 bus and ran toward Russia.
Putin said on Monday that Russia might extend the period of sojourn in Russian territory for Ukrainians of conscription age who can be drafted into the Ukrainian army.
http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/01/28/2855?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
http://www.kp.ru/daily/26333/3217369/
http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/3471788-mobylyzatsyia-2015-na-zakarpate-luidy-vyezzhauit-za-hranytsu-tselymy-selamy
Oh oh oh , why Ukrainian people do not want to participate in the glorious national defence against the "agression of Russia" ?
Pianist Valentina Lisitsa claimed that Ukrainian people love in Russia because Russians pay better salary and have better chance of promotion. Ukie hate Russia but want to work at Russia, receive Russian money.
http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2015/01/19/star-pianistin-lisitsa-es-gibt-plaene-fuer-einen-grossen-ausverkauf-der-ukraine/
What happen ? Why Ukie people work for "evil Russia" ?
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Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #10
Are they going to mention that in the western mainstream media?
....
Sigh.
....
Sigh.
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- Post n°558
Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #10
Oleg Tsarov is talking about American preparations for revolutions in Ukraine circa Nov 2013, about 1 yr before the US sponsored armed coup.
One of the ukie captive released to mother
Givi in action
Azov batalion at work:
Near city of Novoazovsk in DNR, Novorossia Armed Forces managed to capture newest batch modernized T-64, made originally for D.R. Congo
Serbian volunteer unit "Serbian Hussars" attacked positions of Ukrop Army near Donetsk.
One of the ukie captive released to mother
Givi in action
Azov batalion at work:
Near city of Novoazovsk in DNR, Novorossia Armed Forces managed to capture newest batch modernized T-64, made originally for D.R. Congo
Serbian volunteer unit "Serbian Hussars" attacked positions of Ukrop Army near Donetsk.
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Greece might block fresh EU sanctions against Russia
http://www.neurope.eu/article/greece-might-block-fresh-eu-sanctions-against-russia
Minister of exterior Nikos Kotzias is a proffessor in University of Pireus and ex member of the polite berau of the Communist Party of Greece (KKE)
http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/sites/default/files/styles/830x420/public/GALLERY/russiagreece.JPG
http://www.neurope.eu/article/greece-might-block-fresh-eu-sanctions-against-russia
Minister of exterior Nikos Kotzias is a proffessor in University of Pireus and ex member of the polite berau of the Communist Party of Greece (KKE)
No decision on new sanctions against Russia will be taken at the extraordinary EU Foreign Affairs Council on Thursday.
This was announced by the Latvian Foreign Minister Edgars Rinkevics, whose country is chairing the Council during this semester.
"I want to say right away that there will be no conclusive decisions on specific sanctions this Thursday. Most probably, a task will be given to prepare proposals, on which the Foreign Affairs Council might decide on Feb. 9," the Latvian minister said.
Latvia's position is that the sanctions against Russia must be increased if the situation in eastern Ukraine continues to deteriorate.
"If the situation improves the sanctions can be eased. If the situation remains unchanged the sanctions must remain unchanged too. If the situation deteriorates it is necessary to discuss stepping them up," Rinkevics said.
Valdis Dombrovskis, the European Commission Vice-President for Social Dialogue and the EU from Latvia, also told journalists in Brussels on Tuesday that the bloc's current sanctions against Russia would be lifted or increased depending on Russia's actions.
"The sanctions can be revised in any direction -- they can be increased, or, in the optimistic scenario, eased," Dombrovskis said.
EU foreign ministers are expected in principle to consider fresh sanctions against Russia at their extraordinary meeting this Thursday amid new escalation in Ukraine.
The Latvian foreign minister did not mention Greece, but there is a high probability that in case of new sanctions Greece might use its veto.
A first clash with Athens happened on Tuesday, when the new Greek government rejected the Council's statement on Ukraine. Athens accused the Council as well as EEAS and Federica Mogherini of proceeding with the document without Greece's consent, just minutes after the new Prime Minister, Alexis Tsipras took office in Athens.
“The Statement of Heads of State and Government of the EU published today was circulated without the proper procedures being followed in order to obtain the consent of Member States and specifically Greece's consent”, announced the new Greek Prime Minister's Office, Dimitris Tzanakopoulos.
“Within this context we clarify that it does not have our country's consent. Our displeasure for this was expressed during a telephone conversation of the Prime Minister with the High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Federica Mogherini as well at the proper level, by the Permanet Representation of Greece to the EU”, he added.
“We don't agree with the spirit of sanctions against Russia, which has negative results not only for agriculture, as far as our own country's economy is concerned, but also in general”, said on Wednesday 28 January the new Greek deputy Foreign Minister, Nikos Hountis.
In an interview to the Athens and Macedonian News Agency, he also said that “Our objections on the issue will presented at the Foreign Minister's Council the Greek foreign Minister, Nikos Kotzias”.
“Other countries have similar reactions, because of the consequences of the sanctions” he added.
Referring to yesterday's Statement of Heads of State and Government of the EU that provoked a strong reaction from Athens, he noted that “there is a rush by certain Members States and this was expressed through that statement about which Greece expressed its displeasure.”
The new Greek foreign minister, Nikos Kotzias, might block new sanctions on Russia at the Council in Brussels. Kotzias is a professor of European Studies, a former member of the Greek Communist Party and a well-known friend of Russia. In the past he spoke against what he calls a "German-dominated Europe" and, in the 1980s, he praised the Polish government's crackdown on the Solidarity movement.
As soon as he became foreign minister, on 27 January, he accused the outgoing minister, Evangelos Venizelos, from the Nea Demokratia, of having let Brussels use Greece’s debt in order to force Athens to align itself with the rest of the EU.
Sympathy for Russia runs deep through the Greek psyche, and many politicians, as well as part of the population, hope that Moscow would come to the rescue financially, as it tried to do with Cyprus in 2012.
The present dispute started after the European Council president Donald Tusk said that in the January 29 meeting of foreign ministers "further restrictive measures" against Russia should be considered. Donald Tusk comes from the Polish Solidarity movement, which makes him the ideological opposite of some of the people forming the present Greek government. Also, Tusk has an uncompromising stance against Russia, which was seen as a salutary counterbalance to the softer attitude of Federica Mogherini, the chief of the EU’s diplomacy, but which might foresee further clashes with Athens.
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Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #10
'Greece-EU clash over anti-Russia statement: others may follow Athens' suit'
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Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #10
Kyo wrote:'Greece-EU clash over anti-Russia statement: others may follow Athens' suit'
There was always divide in EU over Russian sanctions. I am pretty certain no one actually believes what that Italian whore FM of EU says. At this point, I think Russia is more prepared for more sanctions than before, but not greece and alike.
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Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #10
ouga ouga .. @##@@*>##$ ouga
slava AZOF batalion , slava Ukraina
slava AZOF batalion , slava Ukraina
Dancing of fascists battalion Azov - intentional self-introduction into a trance to increase aggression.
I think some of our readers have seen a short video about the strange dance of thugs from fascist battalion "Azov". This dance is called Moshing, or slamdancing, is a style of dance where participants push or slam into each other. It is usually associated with “aggressive” music genres, such as hardcore punk and numerous styles of heavy metal.
Gunmen Azov performed this dance with the racist songs and from time to time raised their hands in a Nazi salute.
Network activists who are familiar with the techniques of trance and activists who have studied totalitarian sects wrote that thus gunmen of Azov injected themselves into a trance and become capable of the crimes which they could not do in a normal state. Even if an ordinary person every evening in these dances represent himself and the rest of the battalion as super race, then after a while he will not be think about himself differently.
Thugs of Azov are long time brainwashed people and by such dances they deliberately lead themselves to the usual aggressive state. Of course in the battalion Azov and other fascist battalions there are other methods of introducing into a trance and altered states of consciousness, except this dance. Torchlight processions taken in Nazi Germany and using in Ukraine, is the most well-known method of introducing into a trance
Some people claim that there is no evidence that this is dancing of battalion "Azov". Specifically for them were made screenshots of the video, which shows the gunman Azov in black t-shirt. In front of his T-shirt visible emblem of Azov, in the back is written the name of the battalion - АЗОВ "Azov".
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Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #10
arpakola wrote:Greece might block fresh EU sanctions against Russia
http://www.neurope.eu/article/greece-might-block-fresh-eu-sanctions-against-russia
Minister of exterior Nikos Kotzias is a proffessor in University of Pireus and ex member of the polite berau of the Communist Party of Greece (KKE)
Few minutes ago the Ultra nationalist party Golden Dawn (Xrysi avgi) of Greece (they got 6,3% on national scale) , made an announcment that in fact agrees 100% with the SYRIZA (radical LEFT) party against the new proposed EU sanctions against Russia
http://www.xryshaygh.com/enimerosi/view/ochi-stis-kurwseis-kata-ths-rwsias-ochi-stis-idiwtikopoihseis
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Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #10
arpakola wrote:ouga ouga .. @##@@*>##$ ouga
slava AZOF batalion , slava Ukraina
Dancing of fascists battalion Azov - intentional self-introduction into a trance to increase aggression.
I think some of our readers have seen a short video about the strange dance of thugs from fascist battalion "Azov". This dance is called Moshing, or slamdancing, is a style of dance where participants push or slam into each other. It is usually associated with “aggressive” music genres, such as hardcore punk and numerous styles of heavy metal.
Gunmen Azov performed this dance with the racist songs and from time to time raised their hands in a Nazi salute.
Network activists who are familiar with the techniques of trance and activists who have studied totalitarian sects wrote that thus gunmen of Azov injected themselves into a trance and become capable of the crimes which they could not do in a normal state. Even if an ordinary person every evening in these dances represent himself and the rest of the battalion as super race, then after a while he will not be think about himself differently.
Thugs of Azov are long time brainwashed people and by such dances they deliberately lead themselves to the usual aggressive state. Of course in the battalion Azov and other fascist battalions there are other methods of introducing into a trance and altered states of consciousness, except this dance. Torchlight processions taken in Nazi Germany and using in Ukraine, is the most well-known method of introducing into a trance
Some people claim that there is no evidence that this is dancing of battalion "Azov". Specifically for them were made screenshots of the video, which shows the gunman Azov in black t-shirt. In front of his T-shirt visible emblem of Azov, in the back is written the name of the battalion - АЗОВ "Azov".
These thugs are run the Zionist jew igor kolomoisky, I think it is time that we start hitting ass holes like igor kolomoisky directly.
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Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #10
"Enemy is squandering his numerical superiority"--Novorossia Militia
Novorossia Militia Update, 1/28/2015
Translated from Russian by J.Hawk
"Today the Ukrainian forces prefer to shell us rather than attack us. We are doing the same. Our attack on the Debaltsevo salient is continuing. Fighting everywhere. Hot-spots of resistance in Lozovoy, but fewer with every day, it’s like an ant-hill full of Ukrainians. Troitskoye has been described as “ours” or “not ours”, but in actuality it is shared. Both our and their forces are in the town, we take turns pushing one another out. A big mess. Krasnyy Pakhar, on the other hand, definitely ours. We had to leave Mironovskoye for Krasnyy Pakhar. A draw in Mironovka, high-intensity street fights. It seems we took Shevchenko. But we need to wait on that one, we don’t have fortifications or a defense plan yet. But Novoorlovka is definitely ours. And we are ready to give the Ukrainians a warm greeting. It’s looking like a stalemate along much of the front. There are more Ukrainians, but we have more experience and higher morale. That balances the forces. But the enemy is quickly squandering his numerical superiority in numerous, senseless, and merciless attacks! We are able to hone our skills as if on a firing range, full of drunk and drugged targets. That’s the only way Ukrainian forces attack right now.”
Translator’s Note: The battle is transforming into a larger-scale re-enactment of the Donetsk Airport drama: first Novorossia forces capture a vital location, then the Ukrainian forces beat themselves to pieces trying to retake it in the face of militia artillery fire. And the Ukrainian grouping in Debaltsevo still has not been relieved, and it has not attempted to break out, although it’s not clear whether it still could attempt an offensive maneuver of this sort. But this is a battle that the Kiev regime cannot afford to lose, so it will continue its attacks until it runs out of battleworthy units—or until it faces a rebellion in its own ranks.
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