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    Post  TR1 on Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:22 am

    par far wrote:We know some Russian are fighting alongside th rebels but are there people from other parts of the world that are fighting along the rebels?

    Some is an understatement.
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    Post  Mike E on Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:47 am

    TR1 wrote:
    par far wrote:We know some Russian are fighting alongside th rebels but are there people from other parts of the world that are fighting along the rebels?

    Some is an understatement.
    Some is accurate... NATO-funded media is still claiming that Russia has organized battalions in Ukraine w/o and proof, or even evidence to back that up. At most Russia is playing a supportive role in Ukraine (as in supporting the Novo) and not the offensive one as "thought" here. I wouldn't doubt that current and former Russian soldiers are in Ukraine, but that doesn't mean they are there under request from the Kremlin.
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    Post  kvs on Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:35 am

    Russians have a right to defend the Donbas Russians from the war criminal attacks staged by the Kiev regime.

    You will note that the regime's forces have been shelling Donetsk City day in and day out since last summer. Even
    during the so-called Minsk ceasefire. But a single alleged attack by the rebels with grads on Mariupol is the only thing
    that matters to NATO. The rebels have been on the outskirts of Mariupol on the east since last August yet have
    not been shelling it daily. NATO is imposing new sanctions on Russia because of this "atrocity".

    NATO and its various mouthpieces and fellow travelers have no credibility and no moral authority to pronounce on
    Russian involvement in the Donbas. Putin told the Donbas republics not to have referenda on secession and clearly
    preferred them to stay part of Ukraine. But the Kiev regime engaged in Rwanda style hate instead of any democratic
    accommodation to the legitimate interests of the people of the Donbas.

    I hope Russia does everything possible to consolidate Donbas independence within the proper regional borders. The
    NATO stooges in Kiev have lost the right to claim authority over this region and its people. They are nothing more than
    ethnic haters and butchers.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:49 am

    It is said that Nikolai Zhuk, commander of AT artilerry unit of Ukie 128 Brigade was killed in combat.

    The Debaltseve‬ cauldron was enclosed at Yunokomunarivsk‬ and Kirovske‬. Novorossiya took ‎Popasnayya‬, Sanzharovka‬ and two heights nearby.

    Illovaisk version 2.0 is coming nearer.

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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:19 am

    Azov Commander Freaks Out, Calls the War "Lost", Blames Everybody

    http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/01/azov-commander-freaks-out-calls-war.html


    Even though there is panic in Ukie side..
    I think is too early to say for me the war is over.. i do not think USA will give up so easily in Ukraine.. the war could go on for a decade as long they continue financing the war.. and replace ukrainians with european soldiers. this is exactly what they doing syria.. half of the "opposition freedom fighters " in Syria today are not syrians but foreigners in general.. and most attacks on syrian borders cities are mostly foreigners mercenaries.. That US and allies recruit train and arm to fight. Only the pressure of Europe can stop the ukraine war.. for kiev to ignore US calls for the war to continue.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:25 am

    Vann7 wrote:… from 100,000 is nothing …

    You are probably one order of magnitude too high.

    15,000, including possibly 8000 of them in the Debal'tsevo pocket, is more like it.
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    Post  flamming_python on Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:13 am

    TR1 wrote:
    par far wrote:We know some Russian are fighting alongside th rebels but are there people from other parts of the world that are fighting along the rebels?

    Some is an understatement.

    There don't seem to be that many. Vast majority of the rebels I see on the vids identify themselves as from the Donbass and/or speak with a clear local accent
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    Post  franco on Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:23 pm

    Ukrainian forces went on the counter offensive last night but don't seem to have accomplished much. Had read an article yesterday, which I cannot locate at this time, that the UAF had moved up reserves of about 4 brigades organized into 8 Battalion Battle Groups.

    Fighter Brigade "East" Army DNR at 00:30 reported on a tank fight near Sand.
    In the sand, near the highway pilot Water is a tank battle. Destroyed T-64-ka dill. Is shooting from the AGS and small.
    There are 300's, for sure. Dill attempted to break through an open field with a track on the technique in the direction of the radar, but there they were met by soldiers ATGM "Sparta". It was a very cordial meeting, I would even say hot. What came of it, will be seen in the morning.
    Deputy Commander of the Defense Ministry headquarters DNR Edward Basurin also highlighted the situation at the front of the republic.
    After yesterday's break caused by fire Ukrainian troops on Saturday residential areas Mariupol and holding regrouping his forces, starting in the morning, Ukrainian troops launched an offensive on the active army positions DNR.
    At the direction of the Donetsk opponent was an attempt to regain control over the settlement Red guerrillas. Retaliatory fire militia forces during the battle were destroyed 3 tanks and 1 BMP crews enemy, after which Ukrainian group was forced to return to their former positions.
    On Debaltsevskom direction Ukrainian troops attempted to advance with the Trinity, but the fire units of the army of the Republic of Donetsk were stopped at the turn Mironovsky - Veselogorovka.
    During the clashes, the enemy lost two tanks and one self-propelled artillery.
    Mariupol on the direction of active hostilities was not conducted.
    In just a day as a result of clashes total loss of power structures of Ukraine amounted to 5 tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and 1 1 ACS, as well as up to 40 people dead and wounded.
    Captured: 1 tank, BRDM and MTLB.
    In surrendered five Ukrainian soldiers. Now investigators are working with them.
    Militia January 26, almost slammed "debaltsevsky pot" - were surrounded by 5,000 to 8,000 Ukrainian military.
    Battles in the Donbass continue along the line of contact between the militia and the Ukrainian security services. The most tense situation remains in Debaltseve, which is on the border of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions. About eight thousand security forces were surrounded by a partial militia. Ukrainian artillery responsible erratic fire on residential areas.
    Battles for the town Popasnaya, shelled by artillery and "Grad", on Monday allowed the militia almost shut "debaltsevsky pot" in the ring were 5000- 8000 thousand Ukrainian military. Militia reports that security forces used Avdeyevka population as human shields.
    According to radio intercepts, Ukrainian army lost throughout the DNI 962 killed, 1,200 wounded more than 456 people missing. Near the town of Raisin another village is located, there were brought two portable crematorium German production. If the military did not bury their dead comrades in our Orthodox tradition, and begin to burn, you should think Ukrainian mothers, "- said the head of DNR Alexander Zakharchenko.
    Under heavy artillery fire Ukrainian security officials also Gorlovka, Makeyevka, Dokuchaevsk, Telmanovo. And at the Petrovsky district of Donetsk among six killed on Monday three year old girl, and injured nine children.
    In shelling areas around Donetsk personally came MPs Lyashko, who on the eve of the President of Ukraine demanded Poroshenko enter Ukraine martial law.
    Counteroffensive militias now goes on all fronts Donetsk People's Republic. According to some reports, the Ukrainian security forces, as in the situation of Mariupol, preparing for several provocations with the shelling of civilians.

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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:13 pm

    ANother package of financial help from European tax payers to the kiev junta so that they continue
    their Bombing of cities with civilians inside in eastern ukraine..  Rolling Eyes

    The EU Economic and Financial Affairs Council to discuss financial aid to Kiev in Brussels

    http://itar-tass.com/en/economy/773556


    and while the Euro vassals reward kiev with more money.. at the same time they threaten Russia with
    more sanctions for the conflict in Ukraine.. as if they were the ones who broke the ceasefire. No
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    Post  higurashihougi on Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:03 pm

    By supporting Kyiv facist, we can see that the Poles goverment is going against the will of the Poles people.

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    Post  franco on Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:28 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:… from 100,000 is nothing …

    You are probably one order of magnitude too high.

    15,000, including possibly 8000 of them in the Debal'tsevo pocket, is more like it.

    Last claim from the Ukrainians was that they had 41,000 Army and Security troops in the Donbass ATO.
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    Post  franco on Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:33 pm

    A look at the Ukrainian forces ORBAT in Donbass from an article last summer.

    In these tragic days for Ukrainian community of experts carefully analyze the available information the military situation in the Donbass. One such expert assessments prepared by MV Litvinov, presented in Russian blogger network, known by the nickname Colonel Cassad. We offer our readers acquainted with it, believing that it gives an opportunity to better understand the current state of the Ukrainian army.
    In the area of operation, conducted by the Kiev authorities and reserve near the Ukrainian armed forces is, according to experts, 10 "heavy" and 14 "light" battalion tactical group (BTG), a total of about 20,000 troops.
    "Heavy" BTG is a mechanized battalion, reinforced isolated from "Brigadier kit" reconnaissance and sniper rotami, 3-4 artillery batteries, including reactive. "Light" is based on BTG airmobile, airborne battalion or special battalion. This group includes two or three full-blooded "loose" company, armored artillery battery, intelligence and anti-tank units.
    In addition to these BTG in the garrison and roadblocks involved 8 mechanized battalions and at least four territorial defense battalions totaling 6,000 people.
    Forte of this group of the Ukrainian Armed Forces (26 thousand people) is that it includes a significant amount of tank companies, which deal with the militia capable only at close range, as the saturation of its units and LNG LAW very low. The second strong point of this group is the presence in its composition 400 - 500 guns and multiple rocket launchers (MRL), which has nothing to oppose militia formations, except for short firing 120-mm mortars.
    However, the advantage in firepower, according to independent observers, largely not implemented due to lack of normal services delivered advanced artillery observers and poor organization of aviation intelligence and corrections. Therefore, a more or less able to effectively Ukrainian artillery strikes mainly on stationary objects.
    The advantage of the Ukrainian Army regarding the use of helicopter gunships Donbass militia managed to neutralize a few skillful actions of air defense. This - heavy machine guns, small-caliber guns, portable anti-aircraft missiles. In addition, combat and transport helicopters at the disposal of the military command of Ukraine is very small.
    Difficult and effective application of the Ukrainian Air Force combat aircraft due to lack of direct guidance from the ground. When applying air strikes Ukrainian aviation can feel safe only with the defeat of stationary objects with average heights.
    As the experience of fighting to achieve tactical success in the offensive under the existing heavy weapons and simultaneously low morale army units requires exceed militias in personnel almost an order of magnitude. In addition, the strengths of the army is difficult to implement when fighting in dense urban areas against enemy stubbornly resisting.
    Apart from the army Kiev authorities are actively using the form of security, Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine and the National Guard. This is - to 6,500 troops that make up about a dozen battalions and two dozen smaller units. These armed formation of small arms, rocket-propelled grenades, have a small amount of light armored vehicles. In some battalions reported the presence of heavy machine guns and company mortars. Artillery and tanks in service of these units do not.
    Combined arms combat skills in the field as well as in urban areas, this category Ukrainian military has almost no. They are most suitable for holding checkpoints, protecting databases, support columns, sweeps in a weak opposition.
    Significant forces from the National Guard units and the Interior involved to strengthen controls in neighboring areas of the Donbas Ukraine - Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov. Practical value for operations "sweeping" settlements supporting militia are two special battalion MIA, three volunteer battalion tactical groups and 7 special purpose of the National Guard, interacting with the SBU. The total number of these units - 3,500 servicemen.
    Other formation totaling up to 3,000 troops can deploy to 60-75 roadblocks in the area adjacent to the area of combat operations, and provide wiring columns that supply forward bases. Because of the small number of armored formations roadblocks data directly in the combat zone are unstable without the support of the armed forces.
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    By the end of June in the zone of operations Kiev authorities transferred the additional number of Army units. It is believed that government forces have about 30 thousand soldiers. More about 3.5 thousand people can be held in the near future. In the long term, three months into the zone punitive action may be brought another 8.5 thousand soldiers.
    But it still does not allow decisive superiority over the militia of Donbass. Its number is closer to 10 thousand people, and, according to independent observers, tends to rise.
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    Post  Firebird on Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:55 pm

    I wonder what would happen if Shite Sektor got a firmer grip on power. Say, with Svoboda and associated vermin. Fortrus is suggesting that Shite Sektor COULD take power from Willy Wanker of the Chocolate Factory.

    Would the rest of the Ukraine band togtheer realising that leaning towards Russia is the only way out?
    Or would Russia decide this is the "red line". It could then liberate the Ukraine, federalise it, and leave the West of it to rot, demilitarised and free to trade with its gimpmasters in the EU.
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    Post  arpakola on Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:36 pm

    arpakola wrote:Tough EU Statement on Russia Didn’t Have Greek Consent, Officials Say
    Greek Official Says Greece Will Issue Statement Later Tuesday
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/eu-call-for-more-russia-sanctions-didnt-have-greek-consent-1422363607
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    Post  Regular on Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:59 pm

    So UKRs are surrounded or not ?Smile
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:42 pm

    First Linkage Between DPR and LPR Forces near Debaltsevo Reported

    1/27/2015

    LPR and DPR report linking near Debaltsevo.

    Internet report from LPR militiaman “Schastlivyy” [Happy]:

    Translated from Russian by J.Hawk

    “We have made contact with DPR at Debaltsevo. We are supporting them with artillery, we are receiving self-propelled howitzer and MRL reinforcements. We can hear them and see them. We destroyed a couple of Ukrainian fortifications in the last day.”

    Translator's Note: This is the first internet report of the two Novorossia forces making contact with one another at any point of the Debaltsevo pocket. It suggests that the Ukrainian forces are now fragmented. The gradual collapse of the Debaltsevo salient may be the reason for the recent frenzy of activity, including the uncoordinated Ukrainian attacks along the entire front, and the Verkhovna Rada declaring Russia to be an "aggressor."
    http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/01/first-linkage-between-dpr-and-lpr.html
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    Post  Viktor on Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:39 pm

    Nice Very Happy and congrats to new Greece government thumbsup .. they arrived just in time

    FT: Greece refused to support the EU's threat against Russia
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    Post  Kyo on Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:40 pm

    "No Money For War"--IMF to Ukraine

    1/27/2015

    No Money for War (Lagarde)

    Translated from Russian by J.Hawk

    The International Monetary Fund will assist Ukraine only after the situation inside the country is stabilized. The IMF Executive Director Christine Lagarde made this announcement in a Monday interview with Le Monde.

    In her words, IMF experts assumed that the conflict would be over by the winter when determining the financial support plan. “Now we are developing new variants, including giving Ukraine four years to implement reforms”, clarified Lagarde.

    She also said that the level of financing will “probably be somewhat higher than anticipated,” but that will depend on military-political factors. Lagarde underscored that all IMF plans assume the stabilization of situation in Ukraine. “That is the priority. The linkage between economic and military situation is self-evident,” said Lagarde.

    To translate into human language, THEY WILL NOT GIVE KIEV ANY MONEY (as if there were any doubts). That means the situation will develop rapidly and toward the rapid deterioration of the internal situation and toward an COUP D’ETAT  of one sort or another. It’s only a matter of time (give or take a month). But this time it won’t be the usual standing around on a square, but a swift and short clash of armed men or  a CAPITULATION without a fight (which cannot be ruled out, since it would be preferable to Poroshenko, but I’m sure the Kremlin would not like that, therefore we’re still waiting).

    The economy, in the meantime, awaits paralysis. It has already begun. Factories are being idled on a mass scale, people are being given unpaid furloughs, which is equivalent to being condemned to starvation (and if you took out a loan in foreign currency, you might as well hang yourself).

    Unfortunately (because Ukraine is after all my country, and Ukrainians my countrymen) there are no good options for them in the near future. Only bad and worse ones.

    Translator’s Note: Aside from the obvious fact that the junta is entering into a veritable Gotterdammerung (twilight of the Gods) comparable to the Nazi German regime’s, when it was increasingly engaging in self-destructive activities (for example, Hitler’s infamous “Nero Decree”), it should be also clear that the West’s role in Ukraine’s civil war is approximately the same as in Libya and Syria. They were perfectly happy to undermine the country’s fragile political system, hoping that the new thugs would quickly take control and reward their Western benefactors with lucrative contracts or privatization deals. But once the country spirals out of control they walk away, looking for another tempting target. The Kiev “elite” is struggling against that hard reality, and its actions suggest that if they plausibly threaten a Ukrainian disintegration, that by itself will force the West to pony up tens of billions of dollars to shore up Ukraine’s economy (and line the pockets of anyone connected to the Kiev “elite”). The recent declaration of Russia as an “aggressor” is as much a game of chicken with the IMF as it is with Russia.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:46 am

    Novo captured 3 settelments and approach Debaltsevo at the right side.

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    However, Ukie troops retook Troiske. And they are attacking another settelements on the south. The pocket is tougher than I thought.

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    At the bottom of the pocket, Novo troops took the town Novoorlivka. And they are trying to push the Ukie out of Marinka.

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    In Marinka, the facist local headquarters was destroyed by gunfire. Ukie facists was reported to ran away in panic.

    http://rusvesna.su/news/1422390564
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    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:47 am

    Ukie facist is sending boys and teens to the dead zone.

    http://lifenews.ru/news/149000
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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:35 am


    Donetsk Ministry of Defense briefing: Ukrainian National Guard shot 20 Ukrainian soldiers overnight




    January 27, 2015
    Eduard Basurin (DPR) - Newsfront
    Translated by Kristina Rus

    DPR MOD Frontline Update

    After a loss suffered on January 26, the enemy turned to offensive activities on separate fronts.

    Fearing encirclement, Ukrainian forces are leaving the Debaltsevo ledge. On Donetsk front the enemy with the forces of the 25th airmobile brigade undertook unsuccessful attempts to attack Donetsk airport.

    The attack has been repelled.

    During the fighting militia burned 4 tanks and 4 BMD. The loss of live forces was up to 50 people killed.

    On Debaltsevo front the enemy has unsuccessfully attempted to regain control over North Eastern part of Debaltsevo. Counter attack by NAF pushed UAF to its former positions.

    On Mariupol front there were no active military operations.

    Over the last 24 hours as a result of military operations total losses of security forces of Ukraine were: 21 tank, 14  BMP and BTR, 7 field artillery weapons, as well as up to 170 killed and wounded. 11 Ukrainian soldiers have surrendered.

    I want to emphasize that repeated announcements by Kiev about large losses of NAF is a typical propaganda fake. In a 40 million Ukraine, as is well known, losses of a thousand people are easy to hide for the Kiev junta.

    We have a lot fewer people. We all know each other, we are all acquainted. Therefore such losses, if we really had them would be impossible to hide. We really do have losses, in the last weeks we lost 62 fighters, who we said are good byes to.

    However, the losses of Ukrainian forces for the same period are not comparable - more then 1,100 people. The bodies of most of the killed Ukrainians are laying in the fields for more then a week. No one from the commanders of Ukrainian forces is trying to take them out.

    More then 70 Ukrainian soldiers have surrendered since January 9th.

    We would like to bring to the attention of the world community and international organizations, the increasing shelling of our cities by the Ukrainian artillery, which leads to mass deaths among peaceful residents, including children.

    The number of killed and wounded among the peaceful residents of Donetsk is in the hundreds.

    Although for Poroshenko all of them are separatists.

    Instead of objective and diligent investigation of these crimes with participation of representatives of  OSCE, Ukrainian authorities continue to engage in propaganda demagogue and hide their own war crimes.

    As a result the number of victims among the peaceful population is growing.

    Ukrainian troops are demoralized, which is shown by unprecedented incident, which occurred last night.

    During overnight clashes a wounded soldier from 128th separate mountain-infantry brigade had surrendered, and talked during questioning about the facts of using "zagradotriads" [army police] from the territorial battalions against Ukrainian soldiers. As a result of shooting at Ukrainian soldiers head on from the positions of the National Guard, more then 20 people died on the spot, several dozen more were wounded. The rest of the soldiers of the 128th brigade ran away, according to him.


    This is just halfway of the report..
    an update of the conflict by donetsk authorities..  continues..

    http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/01/donetsk-ministry-of-defense-briefing.html

    and a brief summary by saker media youtube channel with a touch of humor.




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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:47 am

    Looks like US media is claiming Itar-Tass is a Russian spy agency. This is coming off the heels of recent comments from the head of the Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG) who's now claiming 'Russia Today' is on par and comparable to ISIS...this is getting really pathetic:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/27/meet-russian-spies-best-friends-in-the-media-itar-tass.html
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:00 am

    Alleged video of the Azov battalion engaging in looting:


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