The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

I wanna know your opinions.
Do you think that the Russian army is involved in the Donbass ?
Thanks.

F-15E wrote:I wanna know your opinions.
Do you think that the Russian army is involved in the Donbass ?
Thanks.

Regular army? Definetley not at most it is some smaller specialized units like the US has its paramilitaries like Academy/Blackwater and our German soldiers from unknown units, along with several other NATO countries like Poland, UK, France etc.

http://zavtra.ru/content/view/kto-tyi-strelok/
Strelkov in his recent interview actually mentioned "otpusniki" involvement (Russian soldiers on leave) in Ilovaisk. Explains such decisive victory. He said that after battle they left and situation became dire again.
So it means that larger scale Russian involvement would be hard to hide as Ukrainians would be littering the fields with their corpses.
And it also means that Russia will give a helping hand to seps when they will actually need it and they will have to fight for themselves.

Russia in my opinion has military advisers and SF working in Donbass. The later would be active personnel but I doubt that they would do anything else than recon. There might be soldiers from logistics who help seps with supplies and other specialists who oil the war machine. Few in numbers but used in great effect. Suddenly rag tag insurgency becomes better army in all regards than their enemy. Those thing don't happen through one night.

I personally think Russian armed forces reached professionalism level like never before. It's like dark matter, the presence is felt, but not seen. So it means 100-200 could be right number as stated by NATO.
Except for those unlucky VDV paras who ended up deep in Ukraine.

F-15E wrote:I wanna know your opinions.
Do you think that the Russian army is involved in the Donbass ?
Thanks.

Not the russian army. You wouldn't ask if they were.

If the Russian army had invaded, it would have been in Lvov back in May.

Are British, Russian, American, Polish and other soldiers there in significant numbers? Yes.

The nearest the Ru army has got, has been sending masses of troops to the borders with "peacekeeper" marked on the vehicles. The Fascist forces then ran fast as they could. This was in May or June time, I think?

There was an interesting article somewhere saying how the Soviet Ukraine was set up for if it was invaded. Basically there are many secret underground stores, only Russia really knew about. Ofcourse Russians (now retired or informally ie in a private capacity) may have tipped off their brothers in Donbass about these locations.

Then ofcourse there were many defections, and many Kiev troops simply not wanting to fight.
Its not just Donbass that wants the Fascists out, its the whole Eastern half of the Ukraine AND much of the rest of it. Even if Poroshenko isn't technically a Fascist, its clear that Svoboda and Right Sector control many organs of power, so this has helped the popularity of federalists/separatists.

Ultimately, its in some ways easier to run a guerilla campaign than send masses of tanks in. This probably explains Donbass's partial success.

"Are British, Russian, American, Polish and other soldiers there in significant numbers? Yes."

Prove it. No, a small training exercise does not count.

TR1 wrote:"Are British, Russian, American, Polish and other soldiers there in significant numbers? Yes."

Prove it. No, a small training exercise does not count.

For a West that is pointing with the finger on russia and telling they have "division/brigade" sized forces in ukraine they on the other hand have several hundreds from NATO countries and Paramilitary terrorists like Blackwater,Academy and what not.

And there are no small training exercises at all, they have no permission to be in ukraine, not from russia nor from ukraine. They were caught in direct terroristic attacks among ukropy army and naziguad.

TR1 wrote:"Are British, Russian, American, Polish and other soldiers there in significant numbers? Yes."

Prove it. No, a small training exercise does not count.

Translation...prove it via Live journal, twitter, or facebook post or its fake...

Ah I see.

So you guys don't like it when others make claims, but when asked to defend your own claims.....no bueno?

Interesting.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

TR1 wrote:"Are British, Russian, American, Polish and other soldiers there in significant numbers? Yes."

Prove it. No, a small training exercise does not count.

Translation...prove it via Live journal, twitter, or facebook post or its fake...

Damn, you still smarting about that T-72B3 fiasco?

I would be to, had to hurt.

TR1 wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

TR1 wrote:"Are British, Russian, American, Polish and other soldiers there in significant numbers? Yes."

Prove it. No, a small training exercise does not count.

Translation...prove it via Live journal, twitter, or facebook post or its fake...

Damn, you still smarting about that T-72B3 fiasco?

I would be to, had to hurt.

...Yeah we should take your internet forensics degree, and your extensive research mission on the Ukraine/Russian border that you 'didn't' conduct seriously.

TR1 wrote:Ah I see.

So you guys don't like it when others make claims, but when asked to defend your own claims.....no bueno?

Interesting.

Sure no proofs at all, you just dismiss everything as conspiracy theory regardless of video footage, official plans signed, but sure keep dreaming and sucking US cock and seamring shit against russia like you do best.

Werewolf wrote:

TR1 wrote:Ah I see.

So you guys don't like it when others make claims, but when asked to defend your own claims.....no bueno?

Interesting.

Sure no proofs at all, you just dismiss everything as conspiracy theory regardless of video footage, official plans signed, but sure keep dreaming and sucking US cock and seamring shit against russia like you do best.

Werewolf we shouldn't doubt TR1's psychic powers...he has the ability to conduct forensic research at a crime scene, by himself, without actually physically being there...and he also has the ability to dismiss the research of credible and respected organizations that have *cough, OSCE, cough* just as easily.

Werewolf wrote:

TR1 wrote:Ah I see.

So you guys don't like it when others make claims, but when asked to defend your own claims.....no bueno?

Interesting.

Sure no proofs at all, you just dismiss everything as conspiracy theory regardless of video footage, official plans signed, but sure keep dreaming and sucking US cock and seamring shit against russia like you do best.

This is coming from the guy who posted a video of US soldiers dancing as proof that there were black US mercenaries in Georgia.

lmao!

magnumcromagnon wrote:

TR1 wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

TR1 wrote:"Are British, Russian, American, Polish and other soldiers there in significant numbers? Yes."

Prove it. No, a small training exercise does not count.

Translation...prove it via Live journal, twitter, or facebook post or its fake...

Damn, you still smarting about that T-72B3 fiasco?

I would be to, had to hurt.

...Yeah we should take your internet forensics degree, and your extensive research mission on the Ukraine/Russian border that you 'didn't' conduct seriously.

No no, you are right.

T-72B3s appeared in Ukraine all on their own.
Now that is true psychic powers.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

TR1 wrote:Ah I see.

So you guys don't like it when others make claims, but when asked to defend your own claims.....no bueno?

Interesting.

Sure no proofs at all, you just dismiss everything as conspiracy theory regardless of video footage, official plans signed, but sure keep dreaming and sucking US cock and seamring shit against russia like you do best.

Werewolf we shouldn't doubt TR1's psychic powers...he has the ability to conduct forensic research at a crime scene, by himself, without actually physically being there...and he also has the ability to dismiss the research of credible and respected organizations that have *cough, OSCE, cough* just as easily.

So, you know better than Strelkov right?

He said some awful damning things in his latest interview .

TR1 wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

TR1 wrote:Ah I see.

So you guys don't like it when others make claims, but when asked to defend your own claims.....no bueno?

Interesting.

Sure no proofs at all, you just dismiss everything as conspiracy theory regardless of video footage, official plans signed, but sure keep dreaming and sucking US cock and seamring shit against russia like you do best.

Werewolf we shouldn't doubt TR1's psychic powers...he has the ability to conduct forensic research at a crime scene, by himself, without actually physically being there...and he also has the ability to dismiss the research of credible and respected organizations that have *cough, OSCE, cough* just as easily.

So, you know better than Strelkov right?

He said some awful damning things in his latest interview .

Stop avoiding the fact that you made no serious attempt or any fact finding mission at the border, and that your just parroting claims by people on the internet that you can't actually verify their credibility. I repeat again, so you can determine a crime scene by yourself without actually physically being there? No one's buying your snake oil Miss Cleo, or your fake psychic powers that you got from Dr. Oz's Green Coffee Bean extract.

Wow, that is some powerful evasion there bud. Both regarding Strelkov's interview and magical T-72B3s.
Did you see the video where the rebs captured back a T-72B3? Man, must have been hard for you to watch. They even filmed the interior and made it beyond obvious what it was.

TR1 wrote:

So, you know better than Strelkov right?

He said some awful damning things in his latest interview .

the interview is fake. Photoshoped by sbu. Simple as that.
And those T-72 tanks with Sosna sights and Thales are definetly Ukrainian modification made on field from paper mache.
MH-17 was shot down by Ukrainian Buk who was in the region. Oh wait, it was shot down by SU-25 cannon fire, 110%. No wait now it's shot down by MiG-29(Ukrainian modification that makes it look like Su-27).

So in that same regard, if he states that Ukraine is responsible for the shootdown of the MH-17, then it must be correct, since it was mentioned by strelkov.

That said, I am happy to hear that Russia is supporting Novorussia. Now its hurting US pride that others do what they do now.

Regardless of this bitchfest between TR1 and others, more development of collapse of Ukraine would be nice. Glad to know my ancestral homeland is a dump...

I wonder how much equipment in T-80's they got, and what models? Anyone got info on that? It was mentioned by saker that Russia provided T-80's but no further clarification.

As for using mercs, both sides are guilty. Georgian mercs caught, fricking video release from some dead guys helmet cam where they are all speaking english...

Not surprising. When there is war, thereis money to be made.

Regular wrote:

TR1 wrote:

So, you know better than Strelkov right?

He said some awful damning things in his latest interview .

the interview is fake. Photoshoped by sbu. Simple as that.
And those T-72 tanks with Sosna sights and Thales are definetly Ukrainian modification made on field from paper mache.
MH-17 was shot down by Ukrainian Buk who was in the region. Oh wait, it was shot down by SU-25 cannon fire, 110%. No wait now it's shot down by MiG-29(Ukrainian modification that makes it look like Su-27).

So according to you... Russia lie , The Nazi bastards in Ukraine are not killing civilians people suicide? or the Rebels do it to blame your lovely nazis? And Russia airforce invaded Ukraine Airspace without them complaining about their airspace being invaded and shootdown the M-17 or simply a Russian missile forces technician trained for years to use a BUK by "mistake" shoot down a civilian airliner ,that by the way were everyday flying that same plane NEAR the warzone and that day by by "mistake" directed over the warzone by unknown people. You are also the genius who believe that Russia is the one sending T-72b3 to Ukraine ,so that later they can be photographed and filmed and the European Union have conclusive evidence of Russian invasion and sanction more them?  In short you are very naive. And clearly the Ukraine conflict is the first world conflict you ever follow.. Do not understand how US and NATO operates.. the deception games they play.. It will have been VERY VERY EASY for NATO to send a couple of T-72 tanks (that many countries have) configured with French Equipment and that US in public ASKED to everyone to supply to Ukraine and armed with french equipment that they specially installed ,only for this conflict..  for what purpose? TO frame Russia.  So if the REbels in eastern Ukraine are showing what looks like T-72b3s in eastern Ukraine that should give you a fucking hint to you that Russian ARmy is NOT there ,because they will have asked NOT do it.. or either Russia really don't care about more sanctions ,so thats why they send equipment that could trace them helping.  You are a geniussssssssssssssss  NOT.  

So according to you Russia wants European sanctions and is not interested to even try to hide any evidence they helping the rebels ,according to you Russia shoot down a civilian airliner not your lovely nazis ,and it was a proffessional operator of a Buk who could not recognize that day (there was clouds ) a civilian airliner ,that by not coincidence where flying non stop every day for months ,near the rebels zones.. So if Russia wants to hide their help.. according to you ,, sending T-72b3 tanks is the best way they could though to do it?  

Obviously this is your first time , you open internet and your first time to ever research about any NATO conflict. And have NO FUCKING IDEA.. how evil , and HOW DECEPTIVE they can be.. Probably you are in the same side of the morons that believe Assad bombed with chemical weapons the mercenaries he was fighting and he choose the same day he invited UN chemical monitors team.

Grow up more dude.. your first fucking time to ever research about any world conflict. and have no fucking idea of NATO deceptive tactics. how far they can go. learn more about NATO deceptive tactics , how they do it.. so you will have a fucking clue of what is happening in any conflict..It was Hitler who dressed german soldiers as polish to frame poland for a crime and justify their invasion. it was israel who bombed American navy ship (USS Liberty) and later blame it on egypt to justify a war against them using unmarked planes. After the staged event miserably failed and the ship did not sink after several torpedos at visual distance launched.. they told that they "didn't knew it was an american warship)  even though there was a Big American flag fully waving all the time and the warship ..
It was the American Generals who suggested Kennedy to load a passengers plane full of hundred of civilians in a fly to Cuba with a bomb and later blame it on Fidel Castro ,and use it to justify a war against them. information is always the first casualty.  and it is precisely people naive like you or TR1 their first victim.  

I can't think of a single fucking conflict ever.. where NATO was supporting one side..where they did not staged something to frame their enemies. It happened in Serbia , In both IRAQ wars with their babies incubators story and weapons of mass destruction , the whole Vietnam war was based on a faked fucking incident that never happened and they invented. In 9/11 Israelis Mossads arrested with a truck filled with bombs ,they all dressed as Arabs.

Imagine that.. People dressed as Arabs in a Truck FULL OF EXPLOSIVES trying to blow up a bridge in 9/11 ,the same day of the ALCiaeda attacks of the towers.. arrested and later released by the FBI when they discovered their nationality was Israelies and worked for Mossad .

if your bored you can check the story here..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aKj6uJ5Mt4

in Libya NATO used a Qadafi Mannequin to simulate his death much earlier than the time he was really killed to damage the moral of his supporters..In Syria they re-created all Damascus presidential palace and zone in a holywood studio in Qatar.. to made it look Assad was killed and people stop fighting.. and on and on..but also the many massacres staged and a chemical attack.  The Malasyan plane in Ukraine is more of the same Bull SHIT that NATO is used to do in all conflict.. more crap. and naive people like you without brains fall from it.  IT will be IMPOSSIBLE to see a major conflict in the world ,impossible where NATO heavily support one side and a major deception event created by them do not happen.    

Just for record ,I do believe Russia have to be helping someway a lot the revels, never said otherwise..is their duty.. but from there to believe Russia send specially tanks that could identify them.. (when they don't want to be traced to be helping) when they could have easily sent to Ukraine T-80s they could make or reinforced T-72s that looks like the ones that Ukraine have.. but also the believe that Russian buk operator by mistake shoot down a civilian plane is total complete non sense and total foolishness .

@TR1, Regular: This is very simple, let me tell you. Kyiv troops are badass, they are f*cking weak, they were defeated by separatists who was inferior in number and in weapons.

So, in order to cover their humiliating defeat, Kyiv blah blah blah "hey, there is Russian there, Russia help them", and then because Kyiv is a vassal of the West, the West also blah blah blah "yes, there is Russian there, Russia plays unfair".

But, F*CK IT, the more they blah blah blah, the more stupid, amusing and illogical they become. It becomes more clear and clear that Kyiv is a puppet of the West, and Kyiv forces is the mecenaries of Washington DC.

And the ironic fact is that, the most aggressive units in Kyiv forces are actually the mecenaries, the "volunteer" mecenaries who are paid by the pro-West oligarchs and the facist organizations. Yes, Kyiv is relying on the facist mecenaries to suppress the uprising of Novorossiyan people, because even Ukrainian regular forces had refused to shot at their own people.

So, please, do not ask whether Russians are there or not. The question is meaningless. The question you should ask is "why the hell Kyiv goverment has become so pathetic like that ?"

Let me tell you this, even NATO only claimed that there was 4000-5000 Russian in Donbass. So, think a bit, if 50000 Kyiv regular forces had managed to fight properly, could 5000 Russian have done anything ?

Russian there or not, the fact is still one: Kyiv goverment and armed forces are pathetic. Scumbag from inside to outside.

Why ? Because they are eating American shit.

Just like the EU is eating American shit therefore it tags along with the saction which is meaningless and harmful for its own.

So if Russias are in Donbass. I say "yeah !" Please, more Russians. Let's clean all the shit out of the land of Ukraina.

Always this double standards from our western lovers.

IF russia would topple Mexico and install a government that is directly attacking USA and considering stationing russian military bases along with ABM or better IRBM weapons there, you would support every crap shit the US would take as action, but when Russia tries to survive against evil empirial shit the US is doing, installing nazi puppet jews that are looting and genociding russians than Russia has no right but US is and can happily steal ukrainian gold, get their oil, use terrorists (Blackwater) and NATO terrorist soldiers there and only one is to blame.

This world of pro western stooges is a freaking joke, they forget what happened on maidan with Israeli Depopulation Forces among Nazis killing policemen and overthrowing the government, mass murder without any investigation nor any jailing in odessa and mariopol, Maidan sniping of western blackops, no investigation there, Nuland leaked phone call that is direct proof that they have overthrown the government but there are still some imbecile americanized idiots like TR1 who are only pointing on russia for giving ukrainian T-64 tanks from crimea and jerking like a 12 year old kiddo who just found the use of his dick for the first time.

Bad, bad russia, don't you dare trying to defend yourself. Let your hands down we the USA want to hit you in the face don't you think anyone would accept your aggression.