The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

In all honesty, what do you expect? They *are* in war, with basically no source of income, and many good men servicing... When the fog clears up, they will be fine.

Mike E wrote:In all honesty, what do you expect? They *are* in war, with basically no source of income, and many good men servicing... When the fog clears up, they will be fine.

I can only hope. It reminds me Soviet union when all capable men were at the front and the ones deep in the mailand who managed to dodge mobilisation were complete scum.

Regular wrote:Testing. Another bullshit by Kiev. If it's being used then it was tested before being manufactured en mass. Pigs, manekens are enouff. Don't tell me they take dead Ukrs and cut them to see their cavities.
7N24 as mentioned by Werewolf was tested more than 15 years ago. In fricking fields and labs. Then again it seen blood in Caucasus for sure.

Assault Rifles Bullets is the least of things to be worried in a war..that is only for very close combat.. and bullet proof vest does not protect well against grenades.. ie no protection for face. a soldier that lose their 2 legs in combat is more useful for the enemy than someone death. since the wounded soldier will require 2 or 3 to help him get a medic..also will significantly damage the moral of the group. For me artillery is the king.. in cases air force support is not possible.. Well used artillery with right precision in combination of armored vehicles or rocket grenades can win wars alone. Assault rifles is mostly for building to building fight. Something not really necessary at all.. since you can isolate the place and starve people there to death if not surrender.

For me the future however of modern army combat will be rail guns..
Imagine  railguns that any soldier can carry like if was a machine gun.carry tiny plastic bullets ,that weight less and have a range of 5km, and the speed of the plastic bullet is so incredibly fast that penetrate even light armored vehicles. Lazer guns however could be a reality too.. but that will be very boring.. a very silent war..people only get killed by being melted alive.

A main battle tank with Rail gun as cannon.. sounds even more interesting. Imagine a tank that can take another ass far as 20km to 30km away with a small projectile that travel so fast that needs no explosives to destroy the enemy tank ,just cut in half any tank including people inside.

Regular wrote:

Mike E wrote:In all honesty, what do you expect? They *are* in war, with basically no source of income, and many good men servicing... When the fog clears up, they will be fine.

I can only hope. It reminds me Soviet union when all capable men were at the front and the ones deep in the mailand who managed to dodge mobilisation were complete scum.

im concerned to, but i see nationalists with proper dedication who push trough hard laws and discipline, were they are nearly no serious rime is going on, even no drunks anywere, they just started to collect all drunks and put them to go dig tranches, since then no one is drinking at the street anylonger, even the one who dodge to fight for ther land keep quite and friendly.
i specialy now when ther is only "low level" fighting people in power ther will more focus on such issues

NationalRus wrote:

Regular wrote:

Mike E wrote:In all honesty, what do you expect? They *are* in war, with basically no source of income, and many good men servicing... When the fog clears up, they will be fine.

I can only hope. It reminds me Soviet union when all capable men were at the front and the ones deep in the mailand who managed to dodge mobilisation were complete scum.

im concerned to, but i see nationalists with proper dedication who push trough hard laws and discipline, were they are nearly no serious rime is going on, even no drunks anywere, they just started to collect all drunks and put them to go dig tranches, since then no one is drinking at the street anylonger, even the one who dodge to fight for ther land keep quite and friendly.
i specialy now when ther is only "low level" fighting people in power ther will more focus on such issues

Why are you concerned? The only thing to be worried about is the fighting itself, not the population... They will recover, and if they eventually become independent, Russia will help them economically... 
If they don't become independent, than Kiev will "help" them economically, so nothing can really go *that* wrong. As for "drunks" and that kind of thing, society will have to work itself out there.

Vann7 wrote:ass far as 20km to 30km away with a small projectile that travel so fast that needs no explosives to destroy the enemy tank ,just cut in half any tank including people inside.

Interesting post, but don't forget. Earth is round. 20 km away you will only see things that are way above You.[/quote]

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Can somebody say what Zakharchenko is saying here?

-he thanks for the support he recieved and tht they support him in his candidacy for the elections of the head of the state.
-that they will free all territory of lugansk and donetsk.
-about the hardships and sacrifices in the times of war.
-that they signed a agreement with ukr-side about the buffer zone and the rethreat of heavy equipment (tanks,artillery) and got back a couple of disputed villiges around donetsk and marioupol regions and didnt give up even a inch to ukr side.
-that they have talks and common understanding with russia in gas supply to them and it will be "a totaly diffrent price then ukraine gets"
-that they started payments for the first time to gov. workers
-that donetsk is to 80% ready for winter and 95% of piplines have been repaired were ther is no comabt action
-that all factorys in ther area have been taken under gov. control and they will have talks with russia in coal supply
-that crime in donetsk is basicaly finnaly cracked down and under control
-tht the novorossiaj army will go trough a reform in its structure in the example of russia and the procces already started
-thanks again for the support of him and novorossija and all the comrads who stood up to defend ther country with him in the oplot unit, and how they first started to defend it (in early 2014) with only sticks and bats and now they are armed, have tanks and even have 2 planes and ther unit oplot have probably become a nightmare for poroshenko
-that they have hardship to face but now can look bright in the future
-thanks again his unit and that they all have become a familiy for which he will gladly give his life.

NationalRus wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Can somebody say what Zakharchenko is saying here?

-he thanks for the support he recieved and tht they support him in his candidacy for the elections of the head of the state.
-that they will free all territory of lugansk and donetsk.
-about the hardships and sacrifices in the times of war.
-that they signed a agreement with ukr-side about the buffer zone and the rethreat of heavy equipment (tanks,artillery) and got back a couple of disputed villiges around donetsk and marioupol regions and didnt give up even a inch to ukr side.
-that they have talks and common understanding with russia in gas supply to them and it will be "a totaly diffrent price then ukraine gets"
-that they started payments for the first time to gov. workers
-that donetsk is to 80% ready for winter and 95% of piplines have been repaired were ther is no comabt action
-that all factorys in ther area have been taken under gov. control and they will have talks with russia in coal supply
-that crime in donetsk is basicaly finnaly cracked down and under control
-tht the novorossiaj army will go trough a reform in its structure in the example of russia and the procces already started
-thanks again for the support of him and novorossija and all the comrads who stood up to defend ther country with him in the oplot unit, and how they first started to defend it (in early 2014) with only sticks and bats and now they are armed, have tanks and even have 2 planes and ther unit oplot have probably become a nightmare for poroshenko
-that they have hardship to face but now can look bright in the future
-thanks again his unit and that they all have become a familiy for which he will gladly give his life.

Thanks a lot, NationalRus. Much appreciated. Will vote up tomorrow; don't have any votes left for today.

As unbelievable as it seems, the Western propaganda-powerhouse Reuters has posted a good article (decent at the very least) on the Maidan shootings.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/10/us-ukraine-killings-probe-special-report-idUSKCN0HZ0UH20141010?irpc=932

It is said that the Novorossiya insurgents have just captured one of Kyiv's Msta-S

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASKJlzLklmU

http://danviet.vn/quan-su/phao-tu-hanh-hang-khung-ukraine-lot-vao-tay-quan-noi-day-490389.html (in Vietnamese)

Trên tháp pháo tự hành có sọc dọc màu trắng đặc trưng. Theo Rusvesna đây là điểm nhận dạng để quân đội Ukraine có thể phân biệt bạn và thù trong khi tham chiến.

(The SPG has its tyical white strips. According to Rusvesna, this is the typical signs of the Ukrainian forces).

The information still needs deeper verification, but it seems like the Kyiv forces have a tendency of losing heavy weapons into the hands of Novorossiya insurgents.

Mike E wrote:As unbelievable as it seems, the Western propaganda-powerhouse Reuters has posted a good article (decent at the very least) on the Maidan shootings.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/10/us-ukraine-killings-probe-special-report-idUSKCN0HZ0UH20141010?irpc=932

Well, at least Reuters is not similar to things like BBC aka BomB Company, or Radio Not Free From The West.

And the Kyiv goverment is so corrputed that even the West do not really eager to help it.

higurashihougi wrote:

Mike E wrote:As unbelievable as it seems, the Western propaganda-powerhouse Reuters has posted a good article (decent at the very least) on the Maidan shootings.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/10/us-ukraine-killings-probe-special-report-idUSKCN0HZ0UH20141010?irpc=932

Well, at least Reuters is not similar to things like BBC aka BomB Company, or Radio Not Free From The West.

And the Kyiv goverment is so corrputed that even the West do not really eager to help it.

That is the thing though... Reuters has always been a Russophobic propaganda source, and this article is one of very few that isn't subject to that. Interestingly enough, one of that articles writers is from Kyivpost! Maybe they are getting feed up with posting all the crap!

Huh? The West can't get enough of corrupted governments!

Mike E wrote:That is the thing though... Reuters has always been a Russophobic propaganda source, and this article is one of very few that isn't subject to that. Interestingly enough, one of that articles writers is from Kyivpost! Maybe they are getting feed up with posting all the crap!

Huh? The West can't get enough of corrupted governments!

I though that the most notorious loudspeakers of the Western oligarchs are Fox News, British BomB Company aka BBC and the series of Radio Not Free of Something.

My guess is that the situation in Kyiv is so shit that the West cannot cover anymore.

Well, as I have seen often, when the media changes tunes something is about to happen/change.

Is there any chance the novorussians, Have any FAE and guided munitions or the Ukropitecus army doesn't operate them any more?

KomissarBojanchev wrote:Is there any chance the novorussians, Have any FAE and guided munitions or the Ukropitecus army doesn't operate them any more?

Do RPO-As and ATGMs fit?

However, they are a bit expensive.
With all voentorg nonsense goin' on, it would make a lot of sense for novorussia to develop it's own arms industry.

No I mean guided mortar and arty rounds.

Not really of-topic, as ...


Guys, does anybody think that the quality of Google Translate has been downgraded over the last several months?

KomissarBojanchev wrote:No I mean guided mortar and arty rounds.

Dude, their airplanes are hardly guided as of yet, what makes you think that artillery department is somehow better?

KomissarBojanchev wrote:Is there any chance the novorussians, Have any FAE and guided munitions or the Ukropitecus army doesn't operate them any more?

the only possebility fr them to have some if russi would gift them some, no army unit tht they have taken in that region operates anthing of that kind, ukr army actaully doesnt operate "nearly" anything that is associate with the name "modern"

Mike E wrote:As unbelievable as it seems, the Western propaganda-powerhouse Reuters has posted a good article (decent at the very least) on the Maidan shootings.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/10/us-ukraine-killings-probe-special-report-idUSKCN0HZ0UH20141010?irpc=932

The removal of the trees is a dead giveaway about a coverup. Trees don't die from such damage and the bark would have eventually
closed around the holes. It's not like the trees were riddled with machine gun fire.

The removal of the ATC tapes from the Borisopol airport after the MH17 shoot down was also a case of the regime covering its
tracks.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Not really of-topic, as ...


Guys, does anybody think that the quality of Google Translate has been downgraded over the last several months?

I noticed that too, and Google search engine has been known to "kill" certain stories from their search engines.

kvs wrote:

Mike E wrote:As unbelievable as it seems, the Western propaganda-powerhouse Reuters has posted a good article (decent at the very least) on the Maidan shootings.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/10/us-ukraine-killings-probe-special-report-idUSKCN0HZ0UH20141010?irpc=932

The removal of the trees is a dead giveaway about a coverup.   Trees don't die from such damage and the bark would have eventually
closed around the holes.   It's not like the trees were riddled with machine gun fire.

The removal of the ATC tapes from the Borisopol airport after the MH17 shoot down was also a case of the regime covering its
tracks.

Lets not forget that German victims of the plane crash are suing Kiev for criminal negligence, obviously their defense teams believe that their at fault for something.

Taken from other forum.
Tell me what You think guys?

Monarchist wrote:The blogger and friend of Strelkov talks about what is really happening in Donbass and Novorussia.
Some short summary most important things. The brigade from Slavyansk that was under Strelkov amount to around 4-5 thousand soldiers, and basically all the heavy equipment has been taken from them, only basically left with only ak's etc. All the equipment goes through Oplot brigade and Zaharcenko, Kononov is bascailly irrelevant.
The operation of liberating the airport is basically for no reason because some of the most eperienced fighters have died for nothing.
Zaharcenko basically holds all the cigarette and alchohol smuggling and trading in Donbass, everything goes through him and he gives nothing to regular rebel soldiers that forces some of them to become criminals to feed their families and themself.
The so called humanitirian aid goes basically to Plotnitskij and Zaharcenko personally nothing goes to private people or organizations. What is currently happening is basically discrediting the whole "Russian idea"(Russkie mir), that nobody in the future comes up with the idea about peoples republics and that they under no circumstances ar anti-oligarch.
After Strelkov resigned some of his men were arrested under false accusations and facricated crimes, some of them even called "Vlasov-tsi", supporters of Vlasov.
Basically that the dark picture and truth.