The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

Regular wrote:http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-226-shells-strike-donetsk-bus-and-school-killing-at-least-10-civilians/#4476

This article claims that Seps are responsible for Dontesk bus attack.

What do you think ?

Regular wrote:Seps shooting from apartment building. As you can see there are people living there. They fire AGS and leave because of danger from counter fire. And in the video they complain that civilian sector is being hit.. In the end of the video apartament is block is being shelled. Ok, You been protected, good luck babooshka. Few AGS shots were worth it.

higurashihougi wrote:@arpakola: there are a great number of people who cannot use Russian, and sometimes the local internet system is too weak to access into the you tube video. So would you mind adding a short description of the youtube video or the non-english articles ? Thank you very much.

Over the recent days bad economic news have been pouring in for Russia: the prices of bread, cheese, medicine, meats and many other product have been going up, some of them sharply. At the same time, the Ruble has reached a new low against the Dollar which forced the Russian Central Bank to intervene to defend the Ruble.
No doubt, Obama would say that the sanctions are showing their effectiveness. Except for one problem: no economist has been able to directly link the US/EU sanctions with what we are observing. In fact, the reality is much simpler.

In the case of commodity prices what is happening is much simple: Russian companies have seized the opportunity presented by these sanctions to sharply raise their prices and make an extra profit. So far, so good. That was predictable. In fact, the Russian government and Putin himself had predicted that and they had warned that the state would be closely monitoring any such price increases and that legal action would be taken against any speculators. This is where things become interesting.

The person in charge of this monitoring is Arkadii Dvorkovich, Deputy Prime Minister in Dmitry Medvedev's cabinet has dismissed it all saying that when he goes shopping for bread he does not notice any price increases. So who is this Dvorkovich character anyway?

Arkadii Dvorkovich
Turns out that he is a pure product of the Atlantic Integrationist clan. Himself a rather modest oligarch (his official personal income in 2011 was only 4 millon Rubles), he is married to a much bigger oligarch, Zumrud Khandadashevna Rustamova, who, according to the Russian Wikipedia, is a member of the board of directors of major companies like the Magnitogorsk Metallurgical Kombinat, the gold mining Polius Zoloto, or the main Moscow airport Sheremetevo. Her official yearly income is already a healthier 42 million Rubles. Dvorkovich, who attended Duke University in the USA, is also involved in all sort of more or less shady companies and deals including the infamous Skolkovo project.

In fact, I would argue that Dvorkovich is so typical of the Atlantic Integrationists that he could be their poster boy. By sabotaging the Kremlin's efforts to prevent Russian businesses to profit from the sanctions, Dvorkovich not only stands to get some terrific kickbacks, but he also contributes to the 5th columns efforts into convincing the general public that western sanctions are crippling Russia.

The good news is that the Eurasian Sovereignists are fighting back and that several Russian TV channels have already reported about these abnormal price increases and about the fact that Dvorkovich seems to be doing exactly nothing about it.

Over and over again we observe the same phenomenon: the President order the Prime Minister and his government to do something, and the latter just ignore him. This is a typical example of how the 5th column works in Russia and, in the future, I plan to provide more examples of this here.

arpakola wrote:Seva Goncharevskii, the butcher of Odessa - Please share!
http://russia-insider.com/en/tv_politics_ukraine_media_watch/2014/09/30/09-41-38pm/busted_viral_video_ids_man_committing_atrocity

This video seems to very convincingly positively identify a man brutally beating people who were lying prostrate who had just fallen 3 stories out of a burning building during the Odessa massacre.  

It has English subtitles.

Its important because this massacre was a major flash point and became a catalyst for the entire Ukraine conflict, galvanizing public opinion in East Ukraine and Russia, horrified by what had happened.

Here's the background:
On May 2 there was a grisly massacre in Odessa when 42 pro-Russian demonstrators were burned alive in a building after being set upon by pro-Ukrainian activists.  
Here is a wikipedia description of the event.   We can't vouch for its objectivity, but at least it gives a sense of what happened.
The pro-Russian side says that they were unarmed, were viciously attacked by heavily armed pro-Kiev, neo-nazi activists, from which they fled, seeking refuge in a trade union building.  They claim the activists then set fire to the building, where many of the pro-Russians died in the flames, and that even when trying to escape the building, they were shot at and physically attacked.
The pro-Kiev side says that after street fighting with the pro-Russians, they barricaded themselves into the building, and that the fire started accidentally, and denies continuing to attack the victims in the building.
We don't know which version is closer to the truth, but find it interesting that to this day, the western media has not made much of an effort to investigate the story.  Seems a bit of an oversight to us, considering the tragic results and the possibility of a major atrocity having transpired.
There was a major uproar in Russia in the weeks following the tragedy, because the mainstream Western media mentioned it only in passing, and showed little interest in the story, mostly presenting the pro-Kiev version of events.  
A few days ago, this video surfaced on the Russian internet.  We haven't had time to look in to who made it, because we wanted to rush to get it out ourselves.  We will keep you posted on what we find out, and will write more about the event, and the controversy surrounding it, in the coming days.
Later in the video he is identified as an organizer of the anti-Russian militants involved in the skirmishes that day.  The information about the video on the Russian youtube page identifies him as Seva Goncharevskii, and says he has a Facebook profile, but it no longer exists on Facebook.

This is a big deal because whether or not he is found or captured, an investigation into who he is will likely implicate others involved in the events that day.
Watch the video yourself, its a shocker.  (Warning: It contains grisly scenes.  Not for children or faint of heart!)

We think this video could go seriously viral around the world, and could cause a major shift in western public opinion about what is going on in the Ukraine.
 

Citizen media in action!

A reader sent us the name of the guy in the article and video we posted yesterday, which showed him brutally clubbing prostrate people who had fallen from the burning building during the Odessa massacre on May 2 of this year.

Our article went viral overnight, with 15,000 hits, and 7,500 views of the video on our youtube channel. That's a lot for a site that has only been public for two weeks!

Based on the huge response to yesterday's article, Russian news organizations have contacted RI to follow up on the story.

Apparently he was arrested on charges of violence during the melee, and held for a while, but then released. During the court proceeding deciding his release, pro-Kiev activists demonstrated in support of him in front of the court buildings.


Goncharevsky's supporters demonstrating in front of the court building
His name is Vsevolod Goncharevskii (middle name: Eduardovich). He is a lawyer, and well-known pro-Kiev activist. 47 years old, a resident of Odessa.

Here he is speaking to local TV stations (in Russian):

Here are three news stories (in Russian) reporting his arrest, trial, and release:

That's what we know as of now. Stay tuned, there's sure to be more ...

Update: another reader just sent us this... RIA Novosti (Russian service) is reporting that there will be coordinated demonstrations tomorrow (Oct. 2) calling attention to the Odessa massacre in the following European cities: Dublin, Frankfurt, Strasbourg, Brussels, Warsaw, Rome, and Madrid. On Oct. 3 there will be one in Berlin. According to Novosti, a combined 3000 people are planning to participate.

The demonstrations are being organized by a guy who survived the Odessa Massacre, (Facebook Profile) and has vowed to campaign about this until justice is done.

NationalRus wrote:yeah the commited artillery units are exeptionaly good by now, we saw all ther work and several road's of death for ukr forces, the field artillery (mortars etc.) are manned by normal soldiers with not much training, ther far less accurate

and you can't take control of rebel units, not even russia can, its basicaly a psychological question, once a commander establishes himself within his man no politcal power ther can take him down, LNR and DNR politicains are nothing but proxys yet they hold no power or influence whatsoever only so much the military commanders allow them to have, every commander holds his own territory and his troops only listen to him and not to a "general command" its basicaly a "warlord" like situation only that everybody of this warlord's is on the same side

arpakola wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:@arpakola: there are a great number of people who cannot use Russian, and sometimes the local internet system is too weak to access into the you tube video. So would you mind adding a short description of the youtube video or the non-english articles ? Thank you very much.

I use google translate my self also .. some docs are only in Russian.. sorry about that ..
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An example of the Russian 5th column at work
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.gr/2014/10/an-example-of-russian-5th-column-at-work.html

Over the recent days bad economic news have been pouring in for Russia: the prices of bread, cheese, medicine, meats and many other product have been going up, some of them sharply. At the same time, the Ruble has reached a new low against the Dollar which forced the Russian Central Bank to intervene to defend the Ruble.
No doubt, Obama would say that the sanctions are showing their effectiveness. Except for one problem: no economist has been able to directly link the US/EU sanctions with what we are observing. In fact, the reality is much simpler.

In the case of commodity prices what is happening is much simple: Russian companies have seized the opportunity presented by these sanctions to sharply raise their prices and make an extra profit. So far, so good. That was predictable. In fact, the Russian government and Putin himself had predicted that and they had warned that the state would be closely monitoring any such price increases and that legal action would be taken against any speculators. This is where things become interesting.

The person in charge of this monitoring is Arkadii Dvorkovich, Deputy Prime Minister in Dmitry Medvedev's cabinet       has dismissed it all saying that when he goes shopping for bread he does not notice any price increases. So who is this Dvorkovich character anyway?

Arkadii Dvorkovich
Turns out that he is a pure product of the Atlantic Integrationist clan. Himself a rather modest oligarch (his official personal income in 2011 was only 4 millon Rubles), he is married to a much bigger oligarch, Zumrud Khandadashevna Rustamova, who, according to the Russian Wikipedia, is a member of the board of directors of major companies like the Magnitogorsk Metallurgical Kombinat, the gold mining Polius Zoloto, or the main Moscow airport Sheremetevo. Her official yearly income is already a healthier 42 million Rubles. Dvorkovich, who attended Duke University in the USA, is also involved in all sort of more or less shady companies and deals including the infamous Skolkovo project.

In fact, I would argue that Dvorkovich is so typical of the Atlantic Integrationists that he could be their poster boy. By sabotaging the Kremlin's efforts to prevent Russian businesses to profit from the sanctions, Dvorkovich not only stands to get some terrific kickbacks, but he also contributes to the 5th columns efforts into convincing the general public that western sanctions are crippling Russia.

The good news is that the Eurasian Sovereignists are fighting back and that several Russian TV channels have already reported about these abnormal price increases and about the fact that Dvorkovich seems to be doing exactly nothing about it.

Over and over again we observe the same phenomenon: the President order the Prime Minister and his government to do something, and the latter just ignore him. This is a typical example of how the 5th column works in Russia and, in the future, I plan to provide more examples of this here.  

MOSCOW, October 2. /TASS/. The defense ministry of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) on Thursday confirmed the death of an International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) official in the shelling of Donetsk.
“A Red Cross representative, Laurent Etienne, a citizen of Switzerland, born 1976, was killed,” Eduard Basurin, head of the DPR defense ministry’s political department, said.

Контакты Суркова с украинской олигархией в контексте их внутренней борьбы весьма показательно проявились в период августовского наступления армии Новороссии поддержанного военторгом, когда после падения Новоазовска, в Мариуполе началась паника (хунта приняла свои же отступающие колонны за российские танки) и часть гарнизона бежала из города в сторону Бердянска, а карательный батальон Коломойского "Днепр-1" вообще выехал в фронта в тыл http://antifashist.com/item/batalon-dnepr-1-bezhal-iz-mariupolya.html, оставив город на блюдечке для ополчения, а ведь в Мариуполе ныне находится сердце оставшейся империи Ахметова. Согласно одной из версий отказа от взятия Мариуполя, был звонок Ахметова непосредственно Суркову, с просьбой/требованием не брать Мариуполь (который Ахметов уже успел сдать хунте в июне, попутно ведя переговоры со все тем же Сурковым на тему внедрения Ахметова в структуры ДНР). Примечательно, что Коломойский косвенно эту информацию подтвердил http://censor.net.ua/news/304590/esli_by_terroristy_vzyali_mariupol_to_ahmetov_by_umnojilsya_na_nol_kolomoyiskiyi

"Я ничего ему плохого не желаю, но дела у него ухудшились. Я не думаю, что жители Донбасса хотят там видеть Рината Леонидовича. Если бы террористы еще бы и Мариуполь взяли, то Ахметов бы умножился бы на ноль" (с) Коломойский

То есть отказ от взятия Мариуполя в первых числах сентября фактически спас Ахметова, который после открытия "военторга" повис буквально на волоске.
Ну а недавно с Запада открыто прозвучало http://ria.ru/world/20141002/1026558761.html, что если армия Новороссии возьмет аэропорт Донецка и Мариуполь, то против России будут введены новые санкции. Такая совместная забота о спасении остатков ахметовской империи выглядит очень "трогательной".

A leading blog which covers the Ukraine crisis followed-up on our stories from Tuesday and Wednesday about the man who was captured on video brutally clubbing prostrate people after they had fallen semi-conscious from a burning building during the Odessa massacre.

The blog is called Vineyard of the Saker, and its author occassionally contributes articles to our site.

Apparently, this man, Vsevolod Goncharevskii (Seva - Russian nickname for Vsevolod), leads an active public life in Odessa, where he continues to be a leading activist in pro-Kiev, far right wing political circles, which is why he participated in the press conference yesterday.

We also discovered that, although we only recently came across it, the video identifying him has been floating around the Russian internet since mid-August.

Read the Saker's post on his blog for more details about Goncharevskii's activities these days.


Goncharevskii at a Right Sector political meeting Sept 8 in Odessa

Here's a video from yesterday's press conference.

Here's a video of him explaining that he is innocent of charges that he helped organize or participated in the massacre, posted on youtube Sept 9th.

Here are photos of him at a "Right Sector" (a hard-core right wing Ukrainian political group) demonstration on Sept 8th in Odessa.

Here is an article from Sept. 23rd, quoting him as a volunteer helping to dig defensive trenches around Odessa.

We know, we know, when one sees a headline like this, it immediately falls in to the "too gross to be true" category. Your heart doesn't want to believe it.

Then you start thinking, this must be some kind of smear propaganda op.

But when we examined this submission from one of our contributors, we had to admit that the facts and arguments are worthy of serious consideration. It comes from Mark Chapman, who writes a well-respected blog on Russia issues. We can't give it the imprimature of fact the way a large news organization could, because we are just a group of volunteers, doing this in our free time.

Hey mainstream media, look at this as a friendly tip. You actually have paid professionals on your staff. Why not put an investigative journalist on this and get to the bottom of it?

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It’s a story that won’t die.

Bodies of dead Ukrainian soldiers found with their stomachs cut open and organs missing. Ukraine’s heroes, lauded in nearly every conversation in Kiev and western Ukraine – “Slava Ukraina, Geroyim Slava” – plundered of their hearts and kidneys and livers, for transplant into the living who can afford to pay.

Profits to be reaped from such trade, in the order of 10 times the investment even when the broker has to pay a poor donor who will sell a kidney to lift himself out of poverty.

From a generous crop of the newly-dead who cannot speak for themselves - lucrative indeed.

Mass graves are said to have been found in the Donetsk region, apparently of civilians with their hands bound behind them, shot in the head, the bodies showing evidence of torture before the coup de grace was administered. Some of them have been decapitated. Some of these, too, are said to be cut open and missing organs.

You will have to dig deep, though, to find any information on that, or at least that is my prediction. Because the U.S. State Department, in a move which would be outrageous if it were not so predictable, has turned the investigation of these allegations over to the very authority which was in all likelihood behind it – the Ukrainian government.

Allegations of the bodies of Ukrainian soldiers being used to service the contraband organ trade have surfaced earlier in this conflict. StopFake, a site which moves quickly to discredit stories which might reflect badly on the Ukrainian government – and sometimes plants false stories or strawmen so as to roundly demolish them and enhance its own credibility - was on this one quickly.

However, its hypothesis that the story is a ridiculous fabrication because organs must be removed as soon as possible after death, refrigerated in special containers and expressed out of the battle zone is challenged by New Eastern Outlook’s Tony Cartalucci.

Tony, who runs a popular blog called “Land Destroyer”, and whose analysis has regularly been very reliable despite its chilly reception by western governments, describes testimony by employees of international airports such as Boryspil, which recount sightings of many small chartered aircraft loaded with special refrigerators used for transporting human organs. Additionally, specially-equipped vehicles and modern ambulances have been observed in close proximity to Ukrainian army hospitals. Although ambulances near a hospital is hardly a shocker, it has been widely reported that Kiev cannot even provide its soldiers with proper uniforms or adequate food, so the no-expense-spared trimmings around the hospitals looks somewhat suspicious.

Especially given Ukraine’s sordid history in the organ-trafficking trade. In 2010, four surgeons and four unnamed others were arrested by the Ukrainian interior ministry (article from the Guardian) for trafficking in human organs, most of them kidneys taken from impoverished young women. These desperate women were paid about $10,000.00 for a healthy kidney, which was then transplanted into a recipient in an operation which cost the recipient $200,000.00. Nice work if you can get it. This investigation later widened to include 12 people, operating in a ring headed by a Ukrainian-born Israeli man.

Apart from his other sensible reasoning, Cartalucci makes one other excellent point – social-media accounts of illegal organ harvesting are pooh-poohed by western outlets such as the BBC as the product of too much TV and some overheated imaginations. “These would be the same 'social networks' frequently cited by the Western media to substantiate claims made against the targeted governments of Libya and Syria.

Now that Western interests are backing a regime trying to consolidate its power against armed fighters, such stories are 'wild' and unworthy of further investigation”, says Cartalucci.