The Situation in the Ukraine. #8

Kiev, pro-Russian rebels sign Ukrainian peace plan memorandum

http://www.news.com.au/world/kiev-prorussian-rebels-sign-ukrainian-peace-plan-memorandum/story-fndir2ev-1227064906554

THE UKRAINIAN Government and pro-Russian separatists have agreed to stop fighting and create a 30km demilitarised zone in order to bring lasting peace to eastern Ukraine.

The document should lead to the creation of “a zone of complete security,” said separatist leader Igor Plotnitsky, adding that the status of the rebel-held regions of Lugansk and Donetsk was not discussed.

Can anyone confirm this? Igor Plotnitsky does not have the power to sign this document does he ??

Does anybody here know much about the peace warfare that is being unleashed in Novorossiya now?

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Does anybody here know much about the peace warfare that is being unleashed in Novorossiya now?

From VoS:

"In the area of ​​Khanjenkova heard explosions, in Marinka Ukrainian army firing on Gornianka, also strikes at Petrovka. In the vicinity of the airport there are fights."

It's utterly hilarious how putin's puppets are desperately trying o end the war, yet ukies themselves refuse to do that

etaepsilonk wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Does anybody here know much about the peace warfare that is being unleashed in Novorossiya now?

From VoS:

"In the area of ​​Khanjenkova heard explosions, in Marinka Ukrainian army firing on Gornianka, also strikes at Petrovka. In the vicinity of the airport there are fights."

It's utterly hilarious how putin's puppets are desperately trying o end the war, yet ukies themselves refuse to do that

Thanks. I always go to VoS, but the Google Translate has "become" useless.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Does anybody here know much about the peace warfare that is being unleashed in Novorossiya now?

I have been following voicesevas.ru for the last few weeks and recently the situation on the ground is stalled. There is intense action in a few locations but there is no large scale movement of the front. But the previous ceasefire did allow conditions where it was possible to start restoring civil infrastructure in both Lugansk and Donetsk. The shelling in Donetsk is associated with the siege of the airport. There is some shelling on the eastern end of Mariupol but the condition there is one of stall as well.

No evidence of the major offensive supposedly being prepared by the mighty Kiev regime army. It is quite evident that it is Kiev that is desperate for these ceasefires. They are hoping to freeze the rebels territory to its current boundaries. These Minsk agreements are not worth the paper they are written on since none of the terms are actually enforced. The regime gains by having the rebels hold back. But the rebels gain as well.

WHAT THE F****?

http://englishrussia.com/2014/09/20/nuclear-explosions-in-donetsk-today/

O_O

Read the comments also...

Maybe chemical plant or munition depot.

idiots, thats looks looks 100% like a arms depot blowing up, just big enough for that, happened many times in russia to, i just hope that it was not our depot that got hit

what kind of ammo do that? Just because there is a huge qtty?

it looks much more like insane chemical plant blowing up


EDIT: May be also simplu tochka U missiles...

NationalRus wrote:idiots, thats looks looks 100% like a arms depot blowing up, just big enough for that, happened many times in russia to, i just hope that it was not our depot that got hit

+1... That was an ammunition depot that went sky-high. That explosion is nowhere near nuclear "size", and if it was nuclear, it would be known. - Actually, all residents nearby would've been killed, and none were sooooo....

Mike E wrote:

NationalRus wrote:idiots, thats looks looks 100% like a arms depot blowing up, just big enough for that, happened many times in russia to, i just hope that it was not our depot that got hit

+1... That was an ammunition depot that went sky-high. That explosion is nowhere near nuclear "size", and if it was nuclear, it would be known. - Actually, all residents nearby would've been killed, and none were sooooo....

Are you aware that small tactical nukes look even feebler than that? I guess not... Look the small tactical nukes for 2S4 or other systems (airbombs or similar artillery)...

That was not a nuclear weapon, get over it.... (Of course the yield can be changed and is different depending on the weapon.)

http://rt.com/news/189280-donetsk-explosives-plant-blast/

kvs wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Does anybody here know much about the peace warfare that is being unleashed in Novorossiya now?

I have been following voicesevas.ru for the last few weeks and recently the situation on the ground is stalled.  There is intense action in a few locations but there is no large scale movement of the front.   But the previous ceasefire did allow conditions where it was possible to start restoring civil infrastructure in both Lugansk and Donetsk.   The shelling in Donetsk is associated with the siege of the airport.   There is some shelling on the eastern end of Mariupol but the condition there is one of stall as well.

No evidence of the major offensive supposedly being prepared by the mighty Kiev regime army.   It is quite evident that it is Kiev that is desperate for these ceasefires.  They are hoping to freeze the rebels territory to its current boundaries.   These Minsk agreements are not worth the paper they are written on since none of the terms are actually enforced.   The regime gains by having the rebels hold back.   But the rebels gain as well.

Thanks. It pretty much seems that the fascist ukrainian (intentionally not capitalized) army doesn't have any capabilities left. I think, from a military point of view (I am excluding any peace warfare), what prevents the Novorussians from motoring all the way into Poland and beyond is the Novorussian forces' small size, with respect to the large size of the terrain.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
Thanks. It pretty much seems that the fascist ukrainian (intentionally not capitalized) army doesn't have any capabilities left. I think, from a military point of view (I am excluding any peace warfare), what prevents the Novorussians from motoring all the way into Poland and beyond is the Novorussian forces' small size, with respect to the large size of the terrain.

That is exactly it. The rebel army is not large enough to march on Kiev. They are effective enough to fight the 50,000 Kiev regime army but have half the number of fighters and several times less equipment. The rebels also do not control enough industry to facilitate war. The Kiev regime controls Kharkov and other key regions with the Ukrainian military industrial complex.

The rebels have always been at a disadvantage and have managed to do quite well thanks to Russian help. In spite of all the hysterical propaganda, the Russian help was not in the form of invading forces. If Russia wanted to invade, it would have had the means to take Kiev in a week. But there is no point. Most of central and west Ukraine are loyal to the new regime. So Russia would have had to fight against resistance forces. Too bad that Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk all the way to Odessa did not rebel. One has to fight for one's rights.

kvs wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
Thanks. It pretty much seems that the fascist ukrainian (intentionally not capitalized) army doesn't have any capabilities left. I think, from a military point of view (I am excluding any peace warfare), what prevents the Novorussians from motoring all the way into Poland and beyond is the Novorussian forces' small size, with respect to the large size of the terrain.

That is exactly it.  The rebel army is not large enough to march on Kiev.   They are effective enough to fight the 50,000 Kiev regime army but have half the number of fighters and several times less equipment.   The rebels also do not control enough industry to facilitate war.   The Kiev regime controls Kharkov and other key regions with the Ukrainian military industrial complex.  

The rebels have always been at a disadvantage and have managed to do quite well thanks to Russian help.   In spite of all the hysterical propaganda, the Russian help was not in the form of invading forces.   If Russia wanted to invade, it would have had the means to take Kiev in a week.   But there is no point.  Most of central and west Ukraine are loyal to the new regime.   So Russia would have had to fight against resistance forces.    Too bad that Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk all the way to Odessa did not rebel.  One has to fight for one's rights.

With their lack of equipment, they could try a different stragety and attack Uki where it hurts, their bases.... It may sound absolutely retarded, but if the rebels used their successful tatics on bases, they might just be able to not only destroy them, but take their vehicles or even use the bases themselves... Of course they'd probably need people on the inside (note that I'm talking about small bases, not large ones), but it could be done... That or try and get equipment from reserve storage, which I believe they have done before.

Summary:
Situation in Region-

• ceasefire still in place politically
  
• continuation of low-level skirmishes/artillery engagement in area of Donetsk/Lugansk
  
• ukranian forces withdrawing from Lugansk
  
• defensive Russian buildup in Crimea
  

Russian military interdiction from Crimea would-

• invite reactions from western agencies
  
• engage neutral Ukranian territories
  
• constitute formal military invasion
  

Western response-

• is currently limited militarily
  
• involves political/economic support
  

I have just heard the song "The Belfast Brigade" and I try to make a new lyrics for Novorossiya.

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Nazi came to power in turbulent Ukraina
They started to point the gun into their own men and women
Donbass people cannot let the facist thugs twist their lifes
Uprising broke out under the Novorossiya flag.

Rise up, rise up Novorossiya
Rise up, rise up valiant fighters
Rise up and topple the facist cruel dictactorship
For the freedom and dignity of Novorossiya !

Facists thugs sent troops out to shot the people down
Tens of thousands men, hundreds of AFVs and guns
But when they got to Donbass they were severely beaten
By the brave men and brave women of Novorossiya.

Rise up, rise up Novorossiya
Rise up, rise up valiant fighters
Rise up and topple the facist cruel dictactorship
For the freedom and dignity of Novorossiya !

Now facists accused Moskva of supplying us
But we know for sure it's fallacy to save their faces
Simply criminials can never win against justice
Nazi thugs can never crush the people's great willpower.

Rise up, rise up Novorossiya
Rise up, rise up valiant fighters
Rise up and topple the facist cruel dictactorship
For the freedom and dignity of Novorossiya !

Let's march to Kyiv and put the Nazi scums down
Let's sweep the Euro fat cats out of Ukraina
Let's build a warming and everlasting friendship
For the two great nations of Rossiya and Ukraina.

Rise up, rise up Novorossiya
Rise up, rise up valiant fighters
Rise up and topple the facist cruel dictactorship
For the two great nations of Rossiya and Ukraina !

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