The Situation in the Ukraine. #8

I have a good idea.. Russia Today should challenge USA Media and or Obama to a Public Debate of 1 hour over
the SYria and Ukraine conflict.. the debate will be live not recorded.. and the rules are simple.. that everything
told in the debate cannot be hidden from public.. no censoring.. as long of course aside of the F% words.. but the content completely not censored.. If the US state department or NBC or CNN or Fox accept then every side will have the right to make one question in their round. In this debate RT will bring Ron Paul.. to debate with
western media and or Obama about the American policy in the middle east and Europe.

Mike E wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

kvs wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Russia needs to outright ban these groups, or force them to show where their funding comes from by media.  Publicly humiliate them.

They have already been categorized officially as foreign agents.   Russia has a law similar to the US Foreign Agent Registration Act.  Of course, the western media and pundits are howling with outrage that Russia is exposing these NGOs for what they are.    He who pays the piper calls the tune and Soldiers' Mothers is playing the tune hard.  

By the sounds of Putin's ratings, I figure that majority of the population don't believe what crap is coming from their mouths.

Not a bad thing either... NGOs are almost always corrupt in one way or another, "Mothers" included!

Especially if they're funded by George Soros, an admitted fascist collaborator during WW2, who's hedge fund Soros Fund Management LLC "Quantum Fund" personally wrecked the Greek economy by causing a collective speculative attack on the Greek Bond market, causing panic runs on Greek Bonds:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB40001424052748703795004575087741848074392?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB40001424052748703795004575087741848074392.html

This George Soros charlatan loves nothing more to posture with his 5th-column NGO's as self-proclaimed "defenders of democracy", when Soro's himself is guilty of wrecking the country that invented democracy (Greece)!

New Interesting Documentary about Crimea by RT..

Comments on Strelkov,s breafing
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/2014/09/11/
1. Some, perhaps, were surprised by such obvious contrast made between Putin and angry boyars, but only those who didn't pay attention to what Strelkov said earlier. He took the same position before too and announced it publicly, pointing to the presence of the fifth column. Strelkov himself told in June that he considers Putin to be the author of the revolution "from above". I really don't understand where did the idea of Strelkov being an oppositionist came from. In this respect he is actually more of a consistent supporter of Putin's, which he once again confirmed for those who didn't pay attention earlier.

2. Again, Strelkov already in Slavyansk openly said that his media publicity and the fact that a cult is created out of him were a burden for him. Being a person who worked in the nation security system for a long time, this attitude towards sudden popularity is quite natural for him. And in this regard he once again confirmed what he said before.

3. And with respect to the question of the necessity of military aid for Donbass, he once again repeated the same thing he said before. That is, he said that without Russia's help there will be a bloody ulcer in there. In this respect, the whole press-conference consisted of consistently standing for the same position that he announced in May-July. However, this time it was voiced within the framework of a political manifesto.

4. Also, the fact of his forced exit right before the major offensive was confirmed. Actually, Strelkov was removed so that he wouldn't be able to bear the fruits of this offensive and, as it was easy to notice, he was disappointed by this. The method of pressure, about which Strelkov chose not to speak, became the humanitarian aid, with which he was in essence blackmailed, forcing him to resign. The fifth column blackmailed him, although Strelkov chose not to name the names, starting from the "great combinator" [note from the translator: this is a thinly veiled hint at Mr. Surkov] and his servants.

5. Like most other militia commanders in Novorossia, he rejected the Minsk truce, pointing to the deadly nature of these negotiations for Novorossia and Russia. Simultaneously, he used his authority to cover Zakharchenko, in essence suggesting that it is the fifth column that is to blame for dumping Novorossia and not Zakharchenko and other Novorossian officials who signed the Minsk agreement. And in general, the positive assessment of the actions by the military leadership, impersonated by Zakharchenko and Kononov, reflects a long-standing line of Strelkov towards creating a cohesive military leadership of Novorossia. Even when he dissolved the conspiracy that was being prepared in Donetsk with the goal of surrendering the city to the junta, he decided not to finish off certain officials publicly in order to avoid provoking an armed conflict in Donetsk.

6. Overall, when the "wounding" version was conclusively refuted and the political underpinnings of Strelkov's resignation became obvious, the internal arguments within the Russian ruling elite became public. I don't think that the accusations towards the unnamed officials among the highest leadership in the country and Putin's inner circle are Strelkov's own initiative. Behind these accusations there are certain circles, which are not interested in the scenario of "cease-fire dump". And after some public figures and field commanders formed the public opinion, Strelkov is hitting the crucial nail on the head by turning a backstage conflict (which isn't obvious for many who are not familiar with details of Novorossian politics) into a public conflict. Thus, he finalized an open protest of significant figures in Novorossia against the "Minsk truce". In this respect, again, there's nothing surprising here. As I wrote after military intervention was rejected by the Russian security council, the decision fork for Russia is simple: either an active offensive policy in Ukraine or a dump of one kind or another, e.g., a dump under a "truce sauce" in an attempt to avoid a direct conflict with the USA.

It is precisely the uncertainty in this question that allows to answer the question of "Was Novorossia dumped or not?" with "No, not yet. The choice isn't made yet." Nevertheless, the answer to this question will be given already in the short term, because the conflict finally transitioned from the phase of covert struggle to the phase of an public conflict and the political underpinnings http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/16909.html of harassing Strelkov in July-August 2014 now became even more obvious for the public.

In this respect, the incoming information about the high probability of the start of large-scale offensive by the junta already tomorrow, in addition to the next sanction package from the EU that touch the Russian oil and gas sector, is remarkable. At the same time, the military in the Far East are being put on full combat alert and a check of the military district and administrative structures in the situation of ongoing war is started. So to speak, they are making things a bit more dramatic.

Original article: http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1783691.html (in Russian)

Why would the military in the F East be put on alert?
I assumed it was just part of checking that everything with them is effective and in top condition etc.

I mean wouldn't they only be used if America/Japan.. or even China did something moronic in the F East?

I don't want anyone with inside knowledge to let something slip, but I cant really see Ru intervening at this pt..
But who knows.. in the future..

Perhaps Ru might need to if NATO incurs in the West of the Ukraine?

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Moving on, if the EU and US warmongers keep treating Ru with such contempt, it must get to the pt where Russia thinks "ok fuck it, treat us like shit, then we will behave like shits... just like you do to us".

Problem is, Ru held back from invading the hohols because it was best for the regions (in Putin's claim) not because of what Brussels or Washington said or did.


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PS Soros is a monumental knobend. AND a convicted criminal (even tho he has all those layers of management separating him).
Its sad, because he used to be some sort of financial hero of mine. Now I can see the only thing he's remotely interested in is his own massively overinflated ego. Much like the prick I know who hosted the NATO summit recently.

sepheronx wrote:Now that regional elections are over, I imagine we will see 5th columnists protesting in Russia soon enough for Putins downfall, etc etc etc.  Good thing is, the 5th columnists right now are weak.  But give it time, if Russia sits around and does nothing, and allows US to fund them, they will continue to push till they win.

My bet is none of this Doom and loom predictions of massive protest will happen.. The United Russia politician was
really high on drugs on this prediction of an Euromaidan in Moscow or St Peterburg.. Russia do not have the economic Problems of Ukraine and Russians are far more informed about reality than Fiction of EU and USA been good.. Russians are not idiots. There will not jump ..saying Slava Ukraine or Slava Russia.. or asking for uniting with the EU or USA..  I can't wait september to pass ,for finally shutting the mouth of those Politician idiots who were warning a major revolution in Russia in september overthrowin Putin and a USA nuclear strike on RUssia in 2015..

What is clear for me.. is that the United Russia party of Putin is infested with real retards and potential traitors..
that will not mind sacrificing novorossiya and even Putin for real integration with the EU. and that could understand now why Putin created an alternative political partly (not active but that could be activated at any time) i think is called [Popular Front] with people only selected by him personally.  Im Sure United party.. when saw the move , got in panic and understood the message that if they do not align with Putin vision they will end overnight without a political carrer if Putin decided to abandon his united Russia party and run in a different one .

For the record i don't believe the rumors of Putin and Medvedev being enemies ,they are actually friends ,you could notice the good communication between both in times they take the day off ,and go dinner or fishing. But for sure they have some ideological differences. which is normal ..anyone who have friends will easily notice differences with your closer people in the way of thinking. But i do think there are parasites in United Russia party that will like to see the end of Putin.

There is always opposition in all countries. name one country in the world with 100% support for its president?
that doesn't exist. Russia is probably one of the nations that is people back very strongly and the vast majority of
its citizens.. Not even Chavez on its best times had more than 60% to 65% support.. and Putin have like 75% on its
actions in Crimea.and ukraine. including opposition parties that joined protest against Putin in the previous elections.
That said. Putin today enjoy the have the highest support ever since he is President. Including its own political opposition admit , he have done too very good things.. Ie. Sochi + Crimea + Syria policy.  and how he have managed moments of major crysis that Russia was close to a war.  So nope.. no euromaidan in Russia.. not remotely.. Russians do not want to be euopeans ..with its Conchita crap and become a colony of USA.. not a chance.
You will see .. how nothing that is worth of a discussion happens.. No revolution in Russia. Today Russians are more united than ever. you could see paid protest for sure.. who will reject a hundred dollar for 1 hour showing up in a protest?  easy money is easy money.  but they will show up.. peacefully.. get their check and leave.

Russians are much more educated than Ukrainians ,night and day.. what you have in Ukraine is a total brainwashing of society ,that start from early school with US Congress De-Rusophicaiton programs. based on lies
and propaganda. This is why in Ukraine the more active protesters are very young people.that not even have age to drive a car.. the most ignorants ones. that have not lived enough and do not understand much about politics or how they cheated.To start revolutions money alone is not enough. a massive discontent is really necessary either for politics or religion but also a weak government too in restoring government. . but thats not the case of Russia.

Why Ukraine had a revolution?
1)Bankrupt Economy
2)A nation for decades not moving forward ,poor salaries.
3)US congress pouring Billions financing discontent people.
4)Nazis that hated Russians ,they had too many even for a minority.
5)Weak President.. Yakunovych was too Soft against protesters... allowed them to break property
  without punishment..
6)Ukraine was a third world nation.. not a super power.
7)President not supported by a half of the population.

From all those conditions the only thing Russia have is funding from abroad. Russia is a super power with nuclear weapons and they can show the finger to the west and arrest if need up to 1 million people to save 140 millions nation. Russian security is strong , there will be no molotov bombs in Russia.. and people who break law arrested regardless what NATO or UN says. Simply Russian government will be strong and use forced and break heads if violence used.. and no Threat of sanctions from US or EU will influence Russian politics. Simply Russia and Ukraine are 2 worlds of difference. You cannot have an Euromaidan in RUssia.  The only way to break Russia is internally ,withing its own Government.. but for that to happen you need a bankrupt nation (as was with Soviet union its last days) with the believe that the nation will not have progress until the President removed.   But Russia so far is not remotely close to the events that caused the soviet union collapse.  

Had Russia started a war with Israel and TUrkey and Saudi Arabia in middle east to defend Syria.. and then a war with Ukraine..and too many dozens of thousands soldiers being killed ,and too much money lost  and lost Sevastopol and crimea to the nazis..and Sochi olympics a major fiasco because of terrorist attack  ,with Russian navy warships destroyed ,and Medvedev the President.. that certainly could be a more closer environment for an coup But we are in a different world with a different reality . I cannot see how an Euromaidan in Russia is remotely possible.     September will pass and you will see , no revolutions.. Russia have more unity today as i told you ,more than on any time on history.. Kadirov even joined the Night Wolves.. which is a pro Putin/Pro Russia club.
And RUssia earned 2 millions new citizens in crimea seel every month an excuse to celebrate their re-unification with their main land.   Simply the conditions in Russia for a revolution absent. The US state department have helped instead unite more Russian people ,that Putin alone could ever do..

The only major danger i see for Russia is its business with Europe.. US pretty much looks running the show in the EU.. and pretty capable of controlling its puppets in Europe.. and force them to shoot their own foot and damage its economies by blocking all trade with Russia..  But Russians understand that they are under an attack of USA. That is not Putin Fault. It will be a major pain.. in the short term to medium.. but in 5 to 10 years Russia will have fully working a new economy properous model not dependent of Europe.. and selling all their Gas and Oil To china. China can replace easily Europe energy business with RUssia.

it will be interesting to see what will happen in the next 5-10 years,, but so far i think.. that as long Russia avoid
to enter directly in a major war ,and continue doing the same.. just undercover help here and there whenever someone needs helps.. that they will do fine and overcome all the sanctions by the west.

I really have a hard time seeing how 200,000 people (the Maidan was never close to a million, just look at all the photographs and video, the capacity of the square was 180,000 only if every one was jammed in like sardines and they never were) would do a Maidan in Moscow. They couldn't even gather 50,000 back in December 2011 and early 2012 when they had the whole "United Russia won by fraud" hysteria. For sure there will not be 10,000 militant neo-nazis fighting Russian police for weeks on end in some camp fortress. 1) There are not that many lunatics of the sort in Russia and 2) they will be crushed the moment they try any such militancy. Putin will not allow Russian police to be shot at, burned with Molotov cocktails, have their eyes gouged out like Yanukovich allowed in Kiev. Unlike Yanukovich, Putin is the head of a country that is not divided 50/50 into pro and anti NATO factions. There is no analogue of western Ukraine in Russia.

The closest Russia came to regional divergence was Chechnya and that is no longer a festering problem. (Even if Russia lets the Chechens basically run their own house, the reason why the insurgency failed). The color revolution game has no chance in Russia. No amount of western media fluffing of protestor numbers will make pro-NATO protests grow. The mislabeled pro-west liberals were and will remain a fringe. And I am not even taking into account the current backlash against NATO in Russia for supporting the Kiev coup regime and its slaughter of civilians in the Donbas. Again, the western media can pretend there are no civilian deaths at the hands of Kiev or that they are all some rebel false flag but it will fail to create reality. It will just consolidate the growing perception that it is a propaganda joke.

The the 5th column have come from their cave..and shown their face..



[A just Russia party] representative ,the Neocon Troll is saying do not recognize any results in ST petersburg..
check the excuse.. because the elections "were not free" and the Secrecy of VOting was not observed..  So in other
words if Russia Government provide cameras for people to see....that there is no cheating..that the Pro Western Minions complain people have no privacy now to vote..    In others words she says people did not voted the way they wanted for fear of  retaliation from the government.   Yet she provide no single case of evidence or any example of how people privacy was violated.. since you can vote actually in secret and deposit your papers enrolled  on the ballot without anyone knowing which side you voted.

Anyways don't think any group will line up with that minion in her claims.. the fraud calls once more called..which happens in almost all elections in Russia. we will see how many minions will want to pass form words to action and protest. But on my opinion none of those Anti Russia minions will be claiming fraud for clean transparent elections unless they paid..  I think RUssia needs to change laws.. and support the death penalty.. against traitors ,people who fabricate lies against the government and later proven beyond doubt received money or favors to their family or foreign bank accounts for provoking division in the government. Also NGOs groups foreign financed should be totally illegal and people who continue in those groups sent to jail. To call them Foreign Agent is not enough. They need to be judged from Political Terrorism to direct terrorism.. Because their action are very dangerous and provoke civil wars and many people get killed as consequences of the civil wars they provoke.


edit update #19..

AFter reading wiki about them..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Just_Russia

my conclusion is that  the [A just Russia] party Look like a very classic infiltrated US NGO operation...  Is a Party that side with winners but at the same time oppose the supporters of the winner.
They initially used to Support Putin when was President.. but opposed United Russia party . But when Medvedev was President.. and Putin prime minister.. they quickly shifted and supported Medveded and Opposed Putin. In other words is party that is hidden agenda is to create divisions.. First.. in order to push for their alternative.


Is an alliance of many small parties , and they even tried to make alliance with the communist party.. So is a 100%
opportunistic party.. and Russians needs to be careful with them. Because they do not seem to have a clear policy..
in the only thing they can be predicted.. is that they want to get in Power at any cost.. aligning with anyone even if they contradict their policy. Supporting Putin when is in power.. but strongly opposing him when is not . Not surprisingly their major support comes from the Caucausus and St petersburg.. even though they barely get 20% of the votes in any region at best.

[A just Russia party have all the signatures of a Soros fundation funded party.. .

Take a look at what they do..
1)They make alliance with anyone regardless of ideology..
2)They supported Putin strongly when was President and tried to ride on its popularity but at the same time condemned his party.  
3)When Medvedev was president , the switched alliance.. and condemned putin.  

Now here is the fun..
4) They made alliance with ecological parties.. that are supportive of green peace. So that Russia limit
seriously its energy business..
5)They want a wellfare state.. so That RUssia do not invest as much on its defense industry .. Russia do not need more weapons..with the ones they have are enough.  
6)More "Democracy and freedom" in politics.. so people can do whatever they want and more easier for them to
create massive anti government protest.
7)and my best guess they are not very supporting of foreigners or chechens.. and want a Russia just for Russians..
exactly the same as the Euromaidans.. when it comes to ultra nationalism ,they have some signs of it.  

THey switch sides as soon people not in power.. and make alliance with anyone.. A clear modus operandi of an infiltrated operation.. on its early stages its main goal is become popular and grow.. policy does not matter much..
in the end they will do anything told by the west.. if ever allowed to get in power.  

If you look at the Euromaidans.. their slogans was Socialism + no Oligarch in power + Ukraine for Ukrainians.. + against Jews..but when all protest ended in kiev.. it was precisely Jews Oligarchs who ended more powerful than ever in ukraine They now have private Armies.. something that was not possible before..  In real practice the ideology of any infiltrated NGO of the west.. Absolutely is irrelevant . They lie about their real goals when lure people on its organization. What is the trick.. is to FIRST.. create a Big Popular Group..with good ideas.. and then once everyone in the trap.. slowly move away to its real policies.. and real goals and using money to keep people bribed in the group.. while the majority of its member not aware how they are cheated.  A just Russia party have major problems with internal fights , because of their switching and flip flopping.
on their goals.

Edit Update #2..

Yabloko party a Pro USA and EU party in moscow not surprisingly neither agree with the results of the elections..
from wiki look who they are .  

The party dates back to early 1990s. The immediate predecessor of the Yabloko party was the electoral cartel Yavlinsky-Boldyrev-Lukin, formed for the legislative elections of 1993. "Yabloko" is an acronym of the names of its founders: "Я" (Ya) for Grigory Yavlinsky; "Б" (B) for Yuri Boldyrev, and "Л" (L) for Vladimir Lukin, the name meaning "apple" in Russian. The party stands for the greater freedom and civil liberties in Russia, [u] for greater integration with the West, better relations with the United States and membership in the European Union [u] .

I really do not understand how could there be a single Russian citizen , in Russia that wants to be integrated with their enemies?  With nations that want to destroy RUssia?  Can anyone explain me that? How could people in RUssia want to be "integrated" with USA? or be a colony of the EU ,after all the criminal actions in Ukraine ,that are supporting nazis that are killings of Russian citizens? can anyone help me explain ,understand whats happening on the minds of that people?   .

It will be similar as IRAN seeking to be better integrated with Israel. Im out of words how can there be parties in Russia that is goals is to become "integrated" with USA .

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Mike E wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

kvs wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Russia needs to outright ban these groups, or force them to show where their funding comes from by media.  Publicly humiliate them.

They have already been categorized officially as foreign agents.   Russia has a law similar to the US Foreign Agent Registration Act.  Of course, the western media and pundits are howling with outrage that Russia is exposing these NGOs for what they are.    He who pays the piper calls the tune and Soldiers' Mothers is playing the tune hard.  

By the sounds of Putin's ratings, I figure that majority of the population don't believe what crap is coming from their mouths.

Not a bad thing either... NGOs are almost always corrupt in one way or another, "Mothers" included!

Especially if they're funded by George Soros, an admitted fascist collaborator during WW2, who's hedge fund Soros Fund Management LLC "Quantum Fund" personally wrecked the Greek economy by causing a collective speculative attack on the Greek Bond market, causing panic runs on Greek Bonds:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB40001424052748703795004575087741848074392?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB40001424052748703795004575087741848074392.html

This George Soros charlatan loves nothing more to posture with his 5th-column NGO's as self-proclaimed "defenders of democracy", when Soro's himself is guilty of wrecking the country that invented democracy (Greece)!

Sorry it took me so long to reply...

Anything funded by the West most likely was also funded by Soros.... Him and Bloomberg are some of the most corrupted people on the Earth, and they should be tried for treason.

I think that we all can agree that the NGO is *yet another* Western propaganda machine.

sepheronx wrote:That comes as nerving news, because then they will attempt a Maiden in Russia, which could create the spell for the end of Russia altogether as a country.  They need to keep to politics and voting.

Or a civil war would ensue in Russia.  Far too many 5th columnists in Russia.  They need to really crack down on these NGO's.

Guys, there was a fake news made somewhere in Russia, reported by American Alex Jones in link below.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/report-china-moves-12000-troops-to-russian-border.html

Report: China Moves 12,000 Troops to Russian Border

"According to a Russian media report, at least 12,000 heavily armed Chinese troops have been moved to the border with Russia as tensions in the region continue to build."

Combined with the surprise drill in Russia's far east, the 5th columnists are spreading rumors that Russia and China are in a state of tension. Russia will be back stabbed by China bla bla bla.

That news of Chinese troops gathering is fake. I searched in Chinese media, their alternative media, their opposition info outlets in overseas. None. I asked around in multiple Chinese military forums, all said it's fake.

Russia and China are building world largest gas pipe system. If Russia can go through this crisis, if really depends on if this alliance works out or not. Of course Putin needs to make sure Russian troops in the far east is ready to deal with any unexpected situations. It's really a move to make sure everything will go to plan, rather than real threads from China or India. If things go wrong, it's very likely these things happen on the Russian side rather than the Chinese one. It happened already (10 kidnapped paratroopers). So again, Putin needs to make sure such things do not happen.

The 5th columnists are making up rumors and spreading fears. We got to laugh off these cheap shots rather than becoming paranoid and feed to those fears. There was this rumor of Putin trying to kill Strelkov and it turned out not true (could it also made by the 5th columnists?). By believing and spreading this rumour, we were creating divisions among Russians, division between Putin and Strelkov, which is what exactly our enemies want.

onwiththewar wrote:

sepheronx wrote:That comes as nerving news, because then they will attempt a Maiden in Russia, which could create the spell for the end of Russia altogether as a country.  They need to keep to politics and voting.

Or a civil war would ensue in Russia.  Far too many 5th columnists in Russia.  They need to really crack down on these NGO's.

Guys, there was a fake news made somewhere in Russia, reported by American Alex Jones in link below.  

http://www.prisonplanet.com/report-china-moves-12000-troops-to-russian-border.html

Report: China Moves 12,000 Troops to Russian Border

"According to a Russian media report, at least 12,000 heavily armed Chinese troops have been moved to the border with Russia as tensions in the region continue to build."

Combined with the surprise drill in Russia's far east, the 5th columnists are spreading rumors that Russia and China are in a state of tension. Russia will be back stabbed by China bla bla bla.

That news of Chinese troops gathering is fake. I searched in Chinese media, their alternative media, their opposition info outlets in overseas. None. I asked around in multiple Chinese military forums, all said it's fake.

Russia and China are building world largest gas pipe system. If Russia can go through this crisis, if really depends on if this alliance works out or not. Of course Putin needs to make sure Russian troops in the far east is ready to deal with any unexpected situations. It's really a move to make sure everything will go to plan, rather than real threads from China or India. If things go wrong, it's very likely these things happen on the Russian side rather than the Chinese one. It happened already (10 kidnapped paratroopers). So again, Putin needs to make sure such things do not happen.

The 5th columnists are making up rumors and spreading fears. We got to laugh off these cheap shots rather than becoming paranoid and feed to those fears. There was this rumor of Putin trying to kill Strelkov and it turned out not true (could it also made by the 5th columnists?). By believing and spreading this rumour, we were creating divisions among Russians, division between Putin and Strelkov, which is what exactly our enemies want.

Alex Jones is a compete nut-job, not kidding. He makes conspiracy theorists look worse than they really are... It can be dismissed as false!

Not really.. Alex is one of the finest media in the west.. He sometimes report about Rumours for people to discuss about it.. (like it was about the scandal about Michelle obama being a man or bi-male) whether that could be true or not..  But he is honest investigator..  He is not as fanatic as David David Icke at times can be.. with his claims of Reptilians that he cannot proof.  So alex reports are 100% based what is told on internet by other media outlets..
and he seek opinions of others to connect the dots.. thats the way journalism have to be done.

His latest reports About Ukraine and Syria are right on the spot.. exactly what happens is what he report.. in fact is even better than Russia today.. Because Russia today use diplomacy a lot to report things.. They do not say.. Hey Obama is funding Nazis.. and Poroshenko is a war criminal.. like ALex do..     Or hey my Government is arming alqaeda in Syria and Obama is a criminal that needs to be impeached.. RT report the true.. but with diplomacy to allow the side doing something wrong to back down and correct its error. While RT use diplomacy ,so that their news have to be reported in a way that do not look like an attack on the west.  Alex in the other hand insult his government.. is pure street media ..without censoring..     Alex jones is the real thing.. many want to  downgrade him saying is a CIA operation but is not. he passed the 9/11 test and every other war in the middle east reported exactly the way things are. He says Obama is supporting nazis in Ukraine to kill Russian people.. No conspiracy just a fact. And got reported about the solid evidence we all discussed here about how Kiev shot down the malasyan plane.. if you can ignore his rage over emotional discourses at time.. you will actually learn a lot from his show.

Vann7 wrote:Not really.. Alex is one of the finest media in the west.. He sometimes report about Rumours for people to discuss about it.. (like it was about the scandal about Michelle obama being a man or bi-male) whether that could be true or not..  But he is honest investigator..  He is not as fanatic as David David Icke at times can be.. with his claims of Reptilians that he cannot proof.  So alex reports are 100% based what is told on internet by other media outlets..
and he seek opinions of others to connect the dots.. thats the way journalism have to be done.

His latest reports About Ukraine and Syria are right on the spot.. exactly what happens is what he report.. in fact is even better than Russia today.. Because Russia today use diplomacy a lot to report things.. They do not say.. Hey Obama is funding Nazis.. and Poroshenko is a war criminal.. like ALex do..     Or hey my Government is arming alqaeda in Syria and Obama is a criminal that needs to be impeached.. RT report the true.. but with diplomacy to allow the side doing something wrong to back down and correct its error. While RT use diplomacy ,so that their news have to be reported in a way that do not look like an attack on the west.  Alex in the other hand insult his government.. is pure street media ..without censoring..     Alex jones is the real thing.. many want to  downgrade him saying is a CIA operation but is not. he passed the 9/11 test and every other war in the middle east reported exactly the way things are.

You must be joking... Alex is so terrible that an increasing amount of people believe he was hired by the US govt. to make conspiracy theorists and "truthers" look bad, not kidding. Literally, he just shouts nonsense into a microphone to get attention! - His reports tend to be his own.

He might be right on that, but on everything else?

Look at this crap (or read it)!

Ukrainian Soldiers Filmed Wearing SS Insignia Deny Neo-Nazi Links

Ukrainian volunteer soldiers have been broadcast on German television wearing helmets with Nazi symbols.
The soldiers, reportedly from the Azov battalion, were shown on German public broadcaster ZDF wearing uniforms decorated with Nazi motifs, including swastikas and lightning bolt-like runic symbols of the SS, a World War II Nazi paramilitary organisation.
The footage was captured by a camera team from Norway's TV2. Oystein Bogen, a foreign affairs correspondent at TV2 told NBC: "We were filming a report about Ukraine's Azov battalion in the eastern city of Urzuf when we came across these soldiers."
A spokesperson for the Azov battalion denied that the force has any fascist tendencies. "We are just Ukrainian nationalists," he said.
The Azov battalion is one of the more prominent volunteer units fighting pro-Russian separatists in the east of Ukraine, and was established by the Social-National Assembly, an alliance of far-right and nationalist parties.
Neo-nazi accusations
Azov battalion fighters have faced repeated accusations of being neo-Nazis. The force uses the neo-Nazi Wolfsangel (Wolf's Hook) symbol on their banner, and members of the battalion have openly espoused white supremacists and anti-Semitic views.
One battalion fighter named "Phantom", a 23-year-old former lawyer, told The Telegraph last month: "Personally, I'm a Nazi. I don't hate any other nationalities, but I believe each nation should have its own country. We have one idea: to liberate our land from terrorists."
The battalion's commander Andriy Biletsky, a former history student and amateur boxer, also commented: "The historic mission of our nation in this critical moment is to lead the white races of the world in a final crusade for their survival. A crusade against the Semite-led untermenschen [sub-humans]."
Pro-government Russian media have repeatedly focused on Ukraine's far-right nationalist elements in an effort to discredit President Petro Poroshenko's pro-Western government.
Ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine have also cited Kiev's alleged Nazism as a reason to fight to break away from Ukraine.
 
- They are denying the proof, yet showing it at the same time!

Vann7 wrote:Not really.. Alex is one of the finest media in the west.. He sometimes report about Rumours for people to discuss about it.. (like it was about the scandal about Michelle obama being a man or bi-male) whether that could be true or not..  But he is honest investigator..  He is not as fanatic as David David Icke at times can be.. with his claims of Reptilians that he cannot proof.  So alex reports are 100% based what is told on internet by other media outlets..
and he seek opinions of others to connect the dots.. thats the way journalism have to be done.

His latest reports About Ukraine and Syria are right on the spot.. exactly what happens is what he report.. in fact is even better than Russia today.. Because Russia today use diplomacy a lot to report things.. They do not say.. Hey Obama is funding Nazis.. and Poroshenko is a war criminal.. like ALex do..     Or hey my Government is arming alqaeda in Syria and Obama is a criminal that needs to be impeached.. RT report the true.. but with diplomacy to allow the side doing something wrong to back down and correct its error. While RT use diplomacy ,so that their news have to be reported in a way that do not look like an attack on the west.  Alex in the other hand insult his government.. is pure street media ..without censoring..     Alex jones is the real thing.. many want to  downgrade him saying is a CIA operation but is not. he passed the 9/11 test and every other war in the middle east reported exactly the way things are. He says Obama is supporting nazis in Ukraine to kill Russian people.. No conspiracy just a fact.  And got reported about the solid evidence we all discussed here about how Kiev shot down the malasyan plane..  if you can ignore his rage over emotional discourses at time.. you will actually learn a lot from his show.

Here is a link for you:

http://alexjonesexposed.info/

1. – Alex Jones is married to a Jewish woman named Violet Nichols, with whom he has three(3) children.

2. – Alex Jones and his Jewish wife and children all qualify for Israeli citizenship under Israel’s “Law of Return”.

3. – Alex Jones is funded by at least thirty-four(34) Jewish sponsors and advertisers who financially support his radio show and websites.

4. – Alex Jones’ flagship radio station, KLBJ AM, in Austin, Texas, is owned by Emmis Communications, a media conglomerate based in Indianapolis, Indiana. The founder, chairman, president, and CEO of Emmis Communications is the Zionist Jew Jeffrey Smulyan.

5. – Alex Jones’ radio show is broadcast on Sirius XM Radio. The chairman of Sirius XM Radio is the Jew Eddy Hartenstein. The CEO of Sirius XM Radio is the Jew Mel Karmazin. The President of Sirius XM Radio is the Jew Scott Greenstein. Of the six(6) executive officers of Sirius XM Radio, five(5) are Jews.

6. – Alex Jones is the client of a Jewish attorney named Elizabeth Morgan who is also the attorney for Holly Lev Bronfman, the sister of Edgar Bronfman, Jr. Thus there are only two degrees of separation between Alex Jones and the Bronfman family, one of the wealthiest and most influential Jewish Zionist families in North America.

7. – Alex Jones’ employee Molly Maroney, the managing editor of Infowars Magazine, is a former intern of STRATFOR, a private intelligence agency based in Austin, Texas, which has been linked to the CIA and Mossad. The founder and CEO of STRATFOR is the Zionist Jew George Friedman. Thus there are only two degrees of separation between Alex Jones and STRATFOR.

Thanks for that...

There you go Vann7!

What about Zyuganov's Communists ?

Save President Poroshenko...!
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/94777.html

On some Russian TV channel I noticed a peculiar film trailer in the spirit of "everybody is against Poroshenko – from Tymoshenko et al. to the Ukrainian oligarchs and fascists. All of them want war, but Poroshenko himself is not even much of a fascist (despite being one of the sponsers of the ongoing hell). And, thus, only Russia can protect Poroshenko from a conspiracy that is being prepared against him." Why would it be necessary to protect the fascist oligarch wasn't clear from the announcement, but I suppose that they'll explain it properly in the film itself.


The attempts to wash charcoal white continue.

PS. From the news of Ukrainian politics.

1. The party of regions decided not to participate in the elections. Or it could participate in them – and get nothing. And now they will at least get publicity on the topic of protecting the South-East, which they so triumphantly dumped in February-March. The majority of these old MPs simply scattered into other parties of analogous cluelessness and corruption. They'll try to use all of these fragments of the former regime as anesthesia for the population of the South-East, under which it will be possible to continue forceful Ukrainization of these regions.
2. The first number in the party of Tymoshenko will be Savchenko, who is an inmate in a Russian prison. A fairly cheap attempt to artificially inflate quite flimsy rating within the framework of promoting the topic of the war to victory. Considering the hysterical and insane state of the Ukrainian society, this might even work. Overall, Tymoshenko continues to wait while Poroshenko will conclusively screw up and so it will be possible to start fighting for the desired position openly. She is the reserve candidate. Lyashko is more of a clown and a cudgel with which to threaten politicians. While the substitution time didn't come, the Americans are betting on Poroshenko and they don't need conflicts for the top chair yet.
3. Lyashko announced that the authorities are covering up the real losses, which, if the official numbers are added to those that are covered up, are 9000 of just the KIAs. In principle, this is quite close to the integral estimates of the junta KIAs between April and September of 12-15 thousand dead according to realistic estimates and of up to 23 thousand according to optimistic ones.
Lyashko will be in the Rada for sure, as well as his "party". The majority of marginal-radical electorate will be grabbed by precisely this "battle gay", who managed to promote himself on the topic of the civil war and mass murder better than other fascists.
4. The party of aphorism genius Vitaly Klischko will go to elections as a part of the party of Poroshenko. Klitschko is already densely integrated there and in essence serves as a accumulator of urban electorate behind the chocolate oligarch. Klitschko is already playing the role of the "next idiot in the chair of Kiev mayor" quite well, and after his enchanting revelations he's unlikely to be able to claim anything more serious. No matter how much image-makers and political technologies worked with him, the raw material turned out to be just too dross.
5. Yarosh wants to get into the Rada on a personal mandate. The majority of his party was taken out during the fighting in Donbass. Also, on the background of Lyashko's popularity he lost his attractiveness for the fascist audience somewhat. Furthermore, the financial patron of Yarosh [note from the translator: the financial patron of Yarosh is Kolomoisky] has serious problems with Poroshenko right now. However, I think that Yarosh, Tyagnybok, and Lyashko will be in the Rada, thus forming a full contingent of fascist degenerates in there.  

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1. Bolotov is alive, he didn't go anywhere and nobody killed him, there was just a usual fake. He is unlikely to return into the LPR leadership.
2. "Leshiy" who sat in the Lugansk SBU with his people chose to stop being a free agent and is now subordinated to the headquarters in Krasnodon. However, there are still plenty of squads in Lugansk who fight their own wars and don't obey anyone.
3. The LPR itself will be apparently pumped with both gas and electricity directly from Russia. They already pulled the electric line to Krasnodon. Gas is expected by November.
4. The humanitarian situation in Lugansk itself is much worse than in Donetsk. The reason is the same – weaker authorities and partial anarchy. The problems with water and electricity make the situation worse. Humanitarian convoys from Russia can go to Donetsk, of course, but in Lugansk they are right now much more relevant.
5. Episodic clashes between the squads of the LPR and small detachments of the punitive troops continue in the outskirts of Lugansk. They don't have deeper meaning. The front line to the North of Lugansk is not changing overall. The doings around Stanitsa Luganskaya and Schastye don't lead the sides towards decisive results – there are local battles, so to speak.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc2wPVRBK2c

It is suggested to make peace and live in the same state with those who do it. People on the video persistently ask to spread the video on the Internet as much as possible so that as many people as possible would learn that mass murder continues and how the fascist junta understands "truce".  

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The speaker of the parliament of the Donetsk People's Republic, Boris Litvinov, made an announcement in which he points to the DPR and the LPR not being a party in Minsk talks and only served as observers.
Also it was announced that it is not possible to implement the 12 points of Minsk agreements.  In essence, running into mass rejection of the accords by the militia commanders and fighters, the leadership of the people's republics ended up between two fires: Moscow is pressuring them on one side and authoritative armed people pressure them on the other side. The situation is not enviable, so the leadership is trying to maneuver in order not to spoil the relationship with the truce lobbyists in Moscow and also to preserve the loyalty of field commanders. All of this leads to publicly denouncing the Minsk declarations, which simply smell too bad for openly supporting them.



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Your first picture in this post showed a photo of a photo of a dead person, which breaks the rules of this forum... as you should now well know.

...I was going to just change it to a link and put a warning so that users can decide if they want to view the picture or not... which is what you should have done in the first place, but when I look I see that the pictures are hotlinked. We have a media hosting option for use when you insert pictures and you clearly can't be bothered using it.

GarryB