The Situation in the Ukraine. #8

Well, they claim that murderers flock to online forums...

Vann7 wrote:
BREAKING  NEWS!!


Novorrosiya forces take #Mariupol suburb of #Sartana in the N.E. of the city Ukraine  

That was quick... Those Uki fighters must really suck, probably can't even fire a weapon!

Mike E wrote:

Vann7 wrote:
BREAKING  NEWS!!


Novorrosiya forces take #Mariupol suburb of #Sartana in the N.E. of the city Ukraine  

That was quick... Those Uki fighters must really suck, probably can't even fire a weapon!

Even if they were the best shooters in the universe, it is impossible to win in their positions since, tactics and strategy decide the outcome of a battle/war and not technology and skills.

They are send without any military tactical basics that were even used during WW1. They are just send to die, without any plan. And all that is on purpose to waste slavic lifes and keep the shit going, to fuel the hatred and divide each other.

fragmachine wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:^^^ ...Bodies hanging from powerlines in a embarrassing manner? Now I've just about seen everything on the internet, it's like something out of a cheesy, extra-gory Horror B movie!

Well, I doubt it has anything to do with secret, heavy weapon being used by NAF. I'm sure he jumped really high because he is 'real Ukr patriot'

RIP to him, but what a joke

Werewolf wrote:

Mike E wrote:

Vann7 wrote:
BREAKING  NEWS!!


Novorrosiya forces take #Mariupol suburb of #Sartana in the N.E. of the city Ukraine  

That was quick... Those Uki fighters must really suck, probably can't even fire a weapon!

Even if they were the best shooters in the universe, it is impossible to win in their positions since, tactics and strategy decide the outcome of a battle/war and not technology and skills.

They are send without any military tactical basics that were even used during WW1. They are just send to die, without any plan. And all that is on purpose to waste slavic lifes and keep the shit going, to fuel the hatred and divide each other.

They have less strategy than the Nazis did when the Soviets were advancing!

This war, I don't know if it will ever stop. The hate some people of kiev have against the east is the craziest of the craziest. A whole generation has to be wiped out to get things back to normal. Nobody want's that so it will go on for a very long time. Thank the US of Evil for that.

Mike E wrote:If you want to continue asking me questions, you can always PM me!

Well, a "large minority" as I call it are opposed to our own government... As am I... Not exactly that I "support" Russia, as I see the situations for how they are. I support no country.

~2-3 years ago, so not that far back! Happened when I began to question Libya, Iraq, and Syria...

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Thanks...

Any updates on Mariupol?

flamming_python wrote:

fragmachine wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:^^^ ...Bodies hanging from powerlines in a embarrassing manner? Now I've just about seen everything on the internet, it's like something out of a cheesy, extra-gory Horror B movie!

Well, I doubt it has anything to do with secret, heavy weapon being used by NAF. I'm sure he jumped really high because he is 'real Ukr patriot'

I really shouldn't, but I had quite an evil laugh from your comment

Anyway, won't give you the +1, would be too harsh on the poor guy stuck up on those powerlines.

Yeah, I know I shouldn't too... RIP for the guy and the ones he bombed in Donetsk or Luhansk.
To be honest I wouldn't like to end up like this but after such explosion and shrapnels flying around I doubt it would matter to me that much. Death is still the same.

Wish good luck to NAF for liberating Mariupol from Ukie hands. And I wish that western Ukrainians, and better the whole Europe will come back to their sences and stop being US tool.

gregoire wrote:This war, I don't know if it will ever stop. The hate some people of kiev have against the east is the craziest of the craziest. A whole generation has to be wiped out to get things back to normal. Nobody want's that so it will go on for a very long time. Thank the US of Evil for that.

Oh the hohols want it to stop alright. Because theyre getting a kicking. Then they want regroup, rearm +to "ethnically cleanse" the RU speakers. And get that cunt from Washington rearm them.

Force the hohol fuckers to leave for NATOland if they hate Russians so much.

I think were a short time from a repeat of the Southern Cauldron elimination type situation. Let that happen 1st.

The hohols are full of this "evil Russia invaded". They even mimic that fag Obama with every sentence now.

Video of destroyed UKR stuff was... Wow.

Imho, it seems much, but maybe we actually see/see again after days the same locations/destroyed units. Otherwise it would be totally insane, losses a la Kursk or what?...

What in the hell can destroy those T-64 into little bits, damn... It seems 2/3 T-64 destroyed in this war was obliterated, literally.

Seriously, anyone have an idea? Artillery? Like in direct hit of a shell? What type? 152mm? 122mm Grad? 240mm tulpan? o_o...

How stupid are UKR forces to stay on the open and get bombed like hell pretty much everyday since 2 months? How is that even possible? Who see them? Who can pinpoint them and then shoot them with arty? Seriously, it's ridiculous. Pretty much, they fare worse than iraqi army or early units in Grozny in 1995.

The T-64 is that much of a failure or what? I can't believe it. Imho, any tank would be the same under heavy artillery, don't you think?

This war shows us one thing that MANY people forget in these "high tech" "drone" times... Artillery is the king of battlefield. No matter who you are or what you have, if your ennemy has arty and a sight on you, you're done.

When peace finaly comes, I might think about travelling there and help to clean the mess, I mean it... Somehow, it saddens me to see all this military equipment built decades ago getting destroyed in days... Somehow. But it's a good thing anyway, Ukraine army as it is needed to be punished and wiped out. Novorussia army will be powerful to say the least, for a "guerrilla" army. Amount of arty/afvs is simply huge and now comparable to a real army.


PS; Someone has a most recent map of the area? About maruipol?

PS2, Any confirmation/news about the destruction of 1st Armored brigade and its T-64BM? Novorussians arrived and captured the vehicles?

PS3, As i'm mostly a tank lover above all, anyone has reports from both sides about performance in combat of T-64, about maintenance/reliability? Are they satisfied with the tanks in general?

On the "ripped" T-64s...

Chances are some sort of round detonated the ammunition storage "chamber". If that happens, the turret shoots off the tank and it literally gets ripped to shreds...

True, pretty much inevitable actually in the T-64... The autoloader carroussel stores vertically 28 propellant charges ... Very bad. Actually it's far worse than T-72, and the reported issues about the T-64 Hull design/integrity/welds may explain that it falls apart when ammunition load explodes

gregoire wrote:This war, I don't know if it will ever stop. The hate some people of kiev have against the east is the craziest of the craziest. A whole generation has to be wiped out to get things back to normal. Nobody want's that so it will go on for a very long time. Thank the US of Evil for that.

The problem that was created by US in ukraine is the same like they did in China or lot of other countries.

They use always the same method and that means 20+ years of pure propaganda aimed at the coming generation not at the generations that are already considered adults. Someone who is already 20-30 years old is almost impossible to be brainwashed to turn him 180° or in other words to convince him to kill his own kind. A child like currently in Ukraine where little kids are teached to kill russians by knife and teached nazi parols and all that toxic nonsense, they will become a generation of hate consumed society. Russia really has to get a halt of it like China did. US has brainwashed young tibetians who are actually known to be peacefull and 16-20 year old tibetians were brainwashed and trained in the US to use violance against China and ended up getting occupied by China, right now you don't hear much about it..actually you don't hear anything about it. The chinese have stopped the entire influence of foreigners in their regions. Russia was stupid and naive enough for past two decades were americans have turned slavic people against slavic people.

Russia has to stop this brainwashing nonsense over hollywood, video games, american,british etc operated "News Agencies" in russia and the NGO's that are operated by any government that are from abroad.
Otherwise this will never stop. If Russia would steer up anti anglo saxon shit in US,UK or whereever you want to imagine they would already speak this "brainwashing" openly out and condemn russia for it, but russia just does nothing against those kind of acts of war.

cracker wrote:True, pretty much inevitable actually in the T-64... The autoloader carroussel stores vertically 28 propellant charges ... Very bad. Actually it's far worse than T-72, and the reported issues about the T-64 Hull design/integrity/welds may explain that it falls apart when ammunition load explodes

That and the fact that its armor is no longer top notch... Bad combination to say the very least!

New updates from Ukraine shelling today..

a little bit graphic.. adult women killed. by ukie shelling..


also about mariupol..

The outskirts

Pro-#Russia|n sources say their troops are already in the #Mariupol "city district of Vostochnyi" via

Apparently the fight will be street by street without artillery to avoid civilian casualties.
I don't think the cease of fire will happen.. 98% that it will not..Novorosiya forces will not stop until they get Mariupol ,since they already inside and ukie army agree to retreat 30km from their cities .

Anybody else just see an influx in anti-Russia propaganda? I have, at least today... (Not like it ever disappeared!)

Mike E wrote:Anybody else just see an influx in anti-Russia propaganda? I have, at least today... (Not like it ever disappeared!)

The anti-Russian propaganda has never ended, even after the collapse of the Soviet Union all the bad guys in movies, television, videogames were always Russian or Slavic Eastern European (like Serbs). Goes to show the false-narratives of when the Cold War was "Official Over" was nothing more than a mountain of lies, and if anything the Cold War went in to hibernation.

I meant short term... You to a single MSM site and you will be blinded! I've only seen it worse once, and that was during MH17...

Rogozin-level trolling...    

‘Most convincing evidence’: Russian embassy trolls NATO with toy tanks



Some of Russia’s diplomats have joined a digital diplomacy row as they trolled NATO by “leaking” on Twitter the alliance’s “most convincing evidence” of Russian troops’ alleged presence in Ukraine.

The Twitter account @RussEmbassyUAE, which is the official Twitter of the Russian Embassy in the United Arab Emirates, posted a picture of tiny toy trucks, tanks and armored vehicles all lined up on the ground, with the words: “#NATO's latest evidence of #Russian armor invading #Ukraine has been leaked! Seems to be the most convincing ever!”

Users on the social media network seem to have liked the “toy tweet” – the picture was retweeted over 1,000 times and nearly 500 people added it to their “favorites."

This is evidently a response to NATO’s release of satellite images described as a “proof” of Russia’s military involvement in Ukraine.

Their Russian counterparts, @Russians at NATO, have hit back with their own map, where they clearly marked the disputed Crimea region as Russian territory.

This recent trolling of NATO coincides with the military alliance’s meeting in Wales, where Russian troops’ alleged presence in Ukraine is one of the key topics.

http://rt.com/news/185148-russian-embassy-nato-trolling/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

They can't do much better than that! Combining humor and truth, all in one message!

Anglo suck-sons pricks start to getting on my nerves. Think they baddas but actually last to fight, just like snail-eaters in Renault tank with four reverse gears a shame of once a powerful Empire, which now tries to defend it's waters against 'evil Russians'

Mike E wrote:They can't do much better than that! Combining humor and truth, all in one message!

This is true. I was thinking of setting up a spoof Obama Twitter account. Its not hard to piss take a clown like that. Its amazing how (relatively!) democratic Twitter can be. Altho usually it needs a bit of time to do REALLY well.

TheGeorgian wrote:An abandoned T-72BM with the white identification stripes in Ilovaisk, also seen in some footage taken by Chechen fighters. So Russia has started to deliver more advanced hardware to the sepratists and also more volunteers arriving from Russia.

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and those stories about entire battalion whiped out.... sure why not brigade, division or army theatre. If Ukrainian army had that many losses, they would have surrendered Kiev to the separatists ....

there was a breakthrough attempt and it ended up with some dozens of UA soldiers killed, unknown number of wounded. Don't be silly. This war is unfortunatly going to drag itself a bit more....

Lol, you just ruined all those "T-72B3" non-sence. It's a Ukr tank, it's their identification stripes. Why would separatisit draw them on their tank? To be hitted by their comrades?
Ukraine did modernisations of T-72 for foreign countries

 By Mariupol, Novorossiya Armed Forces (“NAF”) have conducted recon by combat, which advanced as far as city ourskirts. Both sides suffered minor losses.
In Mariupol itself, enemy columns were seen moving west out of from the city. http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/2014/09/04/

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A corpse that hangs on the wires so to say depicts the degree of the rout of the punitive troops and the local hell in which the retreating troops ended up in.


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