Ruining AN RUSSIAN ALLY is definitely a WIN. How can it not be?`
So the BS about NATO not being Russias enemy is BS?
Iraq RUINED - Saddam killed
Actually there are probably more pictures of smiling US officials with a smiling Saddam than similar photos of Russian officials... he only really went rogue when the US turned on him when he invaded Kuwaite.. I remember US officials blaming Iran for the gas attacks on Iraqi Kurds initially and then just shutting up when it turned out it was Saddam that did it... For those who look at US silence at Albanian warcrimes like organ trafficing in Kosovo or Kiev bombing its own civilian population and think it is new... it is normal standard procedure for the US.
Libya RUINED - Quadaffi killed
Syria RUINED - Soon Assad will be killed
And the huge irony is that both leaders were looking to the west... Libya had just signed off on the Lockabie bombing and paid the victims billions... why bother doing that if you didn't want better relations with the west. Assad was also looking for better relations with the west and he also got shat on.
Ukraine RUINED - Yanukovich overthrown and ALMOST killed, barely saved his life
Seriously, are you blind and cannot see that when the U.S. destroys an area where Russia has influence, it indeed is a WIN for the U.S.
Can you not see that with each election the UKraine was going to sway back and forth between west and east... the west will pour billions and win an election and then that government will be so useless that no matter how much they spend they will lose the next election in a continuing cycle.
With the current intervention however and the interventions in Syria and Libya it will be pretty clear to large portions of those populations who the bad guys are and what they are capable of.
Just like Georgian aggression in South Ossetia will create a mindset for a generation there too.
Jihadists can't "challenge" the U.S. or its allies in any way. Jihadists are actually a NATO tool to precisely destroy these secular countries that were an ally of Russia, and the West has succeeded !
Except when these nutters have taken over countries who is it that they look to attack? 11/9 ring any bells? You are arming and equipping people who hate you as much as they hate the people you are sending them up against and at the end of the day you are just creating a new more radical and unreasonable enemy for yourself... whether they succeed in your bidding or not.
Good luck with that.
Same with Ukraine. Ukraine is ruined, Yanukovich is no more in Kiev and Donbass is being NOW and EVERY DAY bombed TO PIECES.
Ukraine was ruined economically anyway. The only thing keeping it going was trade with Russia... which is now over. Now the EU will have to carry that lodestone.
The frustration of the proEU Ukrainians at not being able to bludgeon by force the pro Russian Ukrainians shows in its methods... the west seems to be abandoning it already.
So Ukraine "screwed" the U.S. and the EU? Give me a break !!
No... the US and EU are screwing themselves by first pushing a fairly powerful and still growing Russia to break all economic ties with the west and look elsewhere for new allies.. the west is so egotistical that it thinks it is the only option for a prosperous Russia, but it seems that Russia and the rest of the world is starting to realise there could be an alternative to the west for the future.
Once again, Russian influence in Kiev IS GONE, its BYE BYE. No Yanukovich in Kiev. Do you understand the point?
The Ukraine is a dog... the only question now is will it remain one badly damaged country or split into fragments and be a disfunctional west carried by the EU and US, and an East that will likely resume economic ties with Russia as independent states.
Syria buying Russian weapons still ? Syria is over and done.
Given the alternative I suspect Assad is rather more popular than any nutter the ISIS put forward as ruler of Syria.
Even Russia decided a few days ago to DESTROY S-300 SAMs ment to be delievered for Syria. Just look it up, Russian military sources said what I say.
Look up more recent posts... they have decided they will offer them to other countries... what Syria needs is not long range SAMs...
A "win" in my book is becoming closer to fellow countries, working together, free trade between the two etc. Not destroying them to pieces!
It is depressing really that someone can look at the US's record in foreign countries like Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, and now a Ukraine shelling its own people and call all that suffering and destruction a success.
If you notice, the U.S. is not really short in having many dogs. E.U. , Colombia, Japan, Israel, Taiwan, Phillippines, Singapore, Australia, Morocco, and the rest of the countries in the Gulf + Turkey.
So it is all about slave states?
So what exactly does the US win?
Will destroying any country friendly to Russia pay off US debt?
Amusing you believe cornering and trying to crush a country with enough nuclear weapons to destroy the entire west and the means to actually do so is the sensible thing to do now that the cold war is over and the Russians are no longer spreading communism...
If any of you were in power, you would still be explaining things how "well things are going for Russia", just like Comical Ali in 2003.
Serious economic sanctions from the rich countries of the world lumped together as the west, a country on her border destroying itself with the help of the rich countries of the world... yet still posting a positive 1% growth rate for the year... if such things were applied to a successful western country... I would expect zero growth or worse.
It does help the West. They eliminate systematically Russian strongholds. They don't care about civilians.
NATO is your friend.
The ABM system in Europe will not be used against Russia... and no we will not put that in writing.
NATO will not expand east.
NATO will not base NATO forces in the East.
NATO will not expand into the former Soviet republics.
NATO will not base NATO forces in former Soviet Republics.
What exactly does the west win when it contains Russia and murders innocent third party civilians?
What it wins is the disgust of the rest of the world, and it hastens agreements and changes in monetary policy that will make alternatives to western economic hegemony.
In the long term it will undermine the wests wealth and position as controller of the world trade economy... the west is hastening its own demise. So carry on.
If the west had welcomed Russia into the international community like it promised then democracy would not be such a dirty word there and although they would not have become one of Americas dogs, they certainly would have been rather more sympathetic... instead of Russia being the enemy it could have been the negotiator for the west against her former enemies... Cuba wont listen to the US but might have made concessions in talks with a US friendly Russia just as an example.
Of course the military might of the west promises a quick solution... though it does not really have a good record for such a thing... considering its costs in money and lives.
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Funny as hell. Typical situation.
before Russia can make more than the 20 or 30 Armata vehicles they would need to take over Europe... 
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