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And i disagree. because..
1)Russian Radars said there was Ukrainian SU-25 planes chasing the
Malasyan plane very close to it..just minutes before lose contact and they showed their radars images
that day to prove it.
2)The Spanish Air traffic controller who told also the Ukrainian Su-25 planes where chasing the plane.. he however
mentions two.
3)Rebels do not have the capability to operate Buks missiles. Is not an pistol that anyone just can aim and shoot.
The missiles needs to be "control remote guided" by radio ,is not something untrained people can do and u dont have many missiles to practice or any target too.. In Short only real professionals can operate it. To be able to shoot down anything. Such Professionals can only come from Russia Federation. And Russia do have very well view of the Airspace in Ukraine. In Short neither Russia ,neither their Professionals did it. period. The plane was flying to high for being done by a Rebel in a manpad.. and the only qualified staff that could operated it ,could only come from Russia military and they are not idiots.. they perfectly understand how to use such sam defenses and knows the difference between civilian planes and military planes. thats part of their training. Civilians airliners their planes have a clear signal that identify them as civilian planes and any trained operator of a buk or any patsir or s-300 clearly understand. I dont think any operator in Russia of any air defense can be qualified to operate any SAM defenses until they perfectly know how to identify civilians planes. No chance they by mistake shoot a civilian
plane.
4)If you ever paid attention to the Photos of the plane you will see the the the projectile impacts the wing of the malasyan plane came from same altitude. So the projectiles flew parallel to the wing of the plane.
This suggest the malasyan plane was attacked from behind left side and that it could be an air to air missile what destroyed it not the BUK defense.
So far all the information available 100% suggest kiev did it.. Could the Rebels have done it? Not impossible for sure IF they managed to get professionals and a working BUK system.. but the factual evidence until now all of them point in the direction of kiev being behind the attack. And if that was not enough you have Strelkov saying
many of the bodies in the plane were already death days before the plane crash. Which suggest that it was a major
setup and FALSE FLAG attack and with full participation of other nations ,like the airport from where the malasyan plane took off. and then you have the so called Rebels so called conversation about the malasyan plane crash video that was released by kiev intelligence and encoded a day before the plane crash.
This is HUGE. This is DIRECT EVIDENCE that kiev intelligence knew a civilian plane will crash a day earlier it happened and that it will be blamed on the Rebels ,with their faked video help.
I guess you have not been following the discussion on Ukraine and not updated with the facts..Could the Rebels could have done by mistake with real bad luck if many IF happens ,like a very drunken professional operator???? Yes ,not impossible either that a Lightning hit a plane. But so far all the factual evidence and the unconfirmed but credible one ,we have ,until now points not only that it was a false flag attack to blame the rebels.. But that it was poorly done and kiev actually had to shoot down the plane too.
Something interesting not being discussed is that the families of the victims of the plane could sue Ukraine Government and perhaps the airliner too in an international court for criminal actions for allowing the civilian plane fly over a warzone where planes were being shot down and being deviated from its safe route. I don't think many
people will like to fly over a malasyan plane after 2 planes catastrophes in less than 6 months ,under mysterious
events.
Flyingdutchman wrote:
I think it's likely that the rebels shot it down, but
a). We don't know that with any certainty yet
b). There is certainly no indication that Russia gave the rebels any sort of SAM system. That's a narrative, that was actually sneakily inserted by several governments - on the back of all this frenzied hysteria. Rebels shot it down? Probably. Russia supplied the rebels with SAMs? A completely separate question, and one that there is no evidence for whatsoever.
And i disagree. because..
1)Russian Radars said there was Ukrainian SU-25 planes chasing the
Malasyan plane very close to it..just minutes before lose contact and they showed their radars images
that day to prove it.
2)The Spanish Air traffic controller who told also the Ukrainian Su-25 planes where chasing the plane.. he however
mentions two.
3)Rebels do not have the capability to operate Buks missiles. Is not an pistol that anyone just can aim and shoot.
The missiles needs to be "control remote guided" by radio ,is not something untrained people can do and u dont have many missiles to practice or any target too.. In Short only real professionals can operate it. To be able to shoot down anything. Such Professionals can only come from Russia Federation. And Russia do have very well view of the Airspace in Ukraine. In Short neither Russia ,neither their Professionals did it. period. The plane was flying to high for being done by a Rebel in a manpad.. and the only qualified staff that could operated it ,could only come from Russia military and they are not idiots.. they perfectly understand how to use such sam defenses and knows the difference between civilian planes and military planes. thats part of their training. Civilians airliners their planes have a clear signal that identify them as civilian planes and any trained operator of a buk or any patsir or s-300 clearly understand. I dont think any operator in Russia of any air defense can be qualified to operate any SAM defenses until they perfectly know how to identify civilians planes. No chance they by mistake shoot a civilian
plane.
4)If you ever paid attention to the Photos of the plane you will see the the the projectile impacts the wing of the malasyan plane came from same altitude. So the projectiles flew parallel to the wing of the plane.
This suggest the malasyan plane was attacked from behind left side and that it could be an air to air missile what destroyed it not the BUK defense.
So far all the information available 100% suggest kiev did it.. Could the Rebels have done it? Not impossible for sure IF they managed to get professionals and a working BUK system.. but the factual evidence until now all of them point in the direction of kiev being behind the attack. And if that was not enough you have Strelkov saying
many of the bodies in the plane were already death days before the plane crash. Which suggest that it was a major
setup and FALSE FLAG attack and with full participation of other nations ,like the airport from where the malasyan plane took off. and then you have the so called Rebels so called conversation about the malasyan plane crash video that was released by kiev intelligence and encoded a day before the plane crash.
This is HUGE. This is DIRECT EVIDENCE that kiev intelligence knew a civilian plane will crash a day earlier it happened and that it will be blamed on the Rebels ,with their faked video help.
I guess you have not been following the discussion on Ukraine and not updated with the facts..Could the Rebels could have done by mistake with real bad luck if many IF happens ,like a very drunken professional operator???? Yes ,not impossible either that a Lightning hit a plane. But so far all the factual evidence and the unconfirmed but credible one ,we have ,until now points not only that it was a false flag attack to blame the rebels.. But that it was poorly done and kiev actually had to shoot down the plane too.
Something interesting not being discussed is that the families of the victims of the plane could sue Ukraine Government and perhaps the airliner too in an international court for criminal actions for allowing the civilian plane fly over a warzone where planes were being shot down and being deviated from its safe route. I don't think many
people will like to fly over a malasyan plane after 2 planes catastrophes in less than 6 months ,under mysterious
events.
Last edited by Vann7 on Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:44 pm; edited 9 times in total
