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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:43 pm

    So apparently the company to supply Cronus tech in Russia to build MRAM cannot sell its equipment as it comes from US. Hope there are alternative makers...

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:23 am

    I read they were going to look to China...


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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:07 am

    GarryB wrote:I read they were going to look to China...

    Yeah, apparently in interview with Chubias, they are getting the technology to manufacture MRAM from China.

    http://rt.com/business/181332-rusnano-exports-nanotechnology-us-sanctions/

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  Austin on Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:48 am

    Interview Andrei Zverev, General Director of JSC "Russian electronics"  ( In Russian use Translator )

    Development of the Russian military electronics

    http://www.echo.msk.ru/programs/arsenal/1381752-echo/

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Aug 23, 2014 5:18 pm

    Russian scientists have developed a new kind of road asphalt pavement - seroasfaltobeton
    Russian scientists have developed an experimental type of pavement called seroasfaltobeton. On the development of the standard will spend about 12 million rubles. Feature of the new coating is seroasfaltobeton that can be put in sub-zero temperatures. This type of paving asphalt involves adding a mixture of bitumen and 30% of the modified sulfur. It is expected that due to the covering of seroasfaltobetona roadbed will be less deformed and better withstand the studded tires. Pavement will also be more resistant to extreme high and low temperaturam.Eksperty note that their properties seroasfaltobeton turns the same as the traditional hot bitumen, however, the temperature of its production and laying 30-40 degrees cooler.
    As an experiment, so the asphalt in 2002 has been successfully laid on Krylatskom bridge in Moscow at minus 26 degrees. In recent years, in Moscow using seroasfaltobetonnyh mixtures were built nine test sites on the Ring Road, in Taganka tunnel and at the intersection of Lobachevsky Michurinsky prospectus.

    Important as apparently Russian roads get destroyed pretty quickly with old method, due to the weather as an example.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:16 am

    The freeze thaw process has been turning mountains into sand around the world for billions of years...


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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  George1 on Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:08 pm

    The Russian Venture Company (RVC) will invest in a program to support the export of Russian high-tech production. By 2020 Russia plans on increasing its IT services and solution exports from its current $4 billion to $11 billion Source: Russia Beyond the Headlines - http://rbth.co.uk/science_and_tech/2014/08/25/russian_high-tech_made_for_global_consumption_39275.html)

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:25 am

    Russia’s own operating system expected to ‘oust’ Windows

    So a Russian OS is in the works, and is already being tested. Based on a Linux Kernel, but still. With some major companies involved, it will be thoroughly used.

    Russian Railways, the national railroad operator, has partnered up with IT experts at the Sarov Nuclear Center in the mid-Volga area to develop Russia’s own Linux-based computer operating system called “Synergy,” the Russian business daily Vedomosti reported.

    According to a spokesperson for Russian Railways, the cooperation with the Sarov Nuclear Center calls for the development of a basic platform to develop and execute business apps. The platform is expected to include “a Linux kernel based OS version compatible with the other components of the platform.”

    The Nuclear Center started the work by developing an operating system for Rosatom, Russia’s umbrella company for nuclear energy assets and the Center’s main boss. The initiative was originally aimed at enhancing Rosatom’s cyber-security and enabling the replacement of imported software for domestic products.

    It was later found that Russian Railways intended to do likewise; and the decision was made to pool the efforts.

    A pilot version of the new Russian operating system is said to have already been programmed; it is now being tested in Sarov, Vedomosti underscored.

    Based on a Linux kernel, Synergy is a way of kissing goodbye to Windows, a system currently being used at the Sarov Nuclear Center, Vedomosti analysts believe.
    The parties involved in the project have declined to comment on the cost of developing the new system or the number of programmers brought on board to do the job.

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  Mike E on Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:55 am

    China and now Russia? This is going to be interesting...

     - Linux is the bomb, so that is a good thing to hear!

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  Viktor on Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:32 am

    Nice thumbsup

    “We are aiming for total IT sovereignty in Russia,” says Russian Minister

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  Mike E on Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:27 am

    Good, and they should work with China and India on that as well! (Go to Silicon Valley, most of the engineers are Indian or Chinese.......)

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Aug 29, 2014 5:05 pm

    Hyperfine memory

    Russian scientists from the Institute of Physics. Lebedev Russian Academy of Sciences have developed a method of producing thin-film ferroelectric - metal on the basis of the hyperfine barium titanate, said in a press release received by the Editor "Gazety.Ru".
    It is noted that the results of a study of their properties has shown that these structures seem to be very promising for the creation of non-volatile memory devices. "Of course, our work is still at the stage of laboratory research. However, the first results show the high prospect of multilayer structures segnetoeletrik / metal based on BaTiO3 / Fe and BaTiO3 / Pt, as well as the universality of both films and our technology in terms of use. The developed technology BaTiO3 ferroelectric film deposition of metals can be used not only for storage devices based on thin-film ferroelectrics, but also to address a myriad of other problems in modern physics of thin films and nanostructures "- said Marat Minnekaev, describing the results obtained by him in his Ph.D. thesis.

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:08 pm

    Has russia made any use or developed any new 3D printers of its own? They'll be eventually vital for an economy to stay competitive in the future?

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  Mike E on Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:44 pm

    Not sure, but 3-D printers aren't what one would call "crucial" for the economy.

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:11 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Has russia made any use or developed any new 3D printers of its own? They'll be eventually vital for an economy to stay competitive in the future?

    Yes, I posted article about them in the past: http://www.fabbaloo.com/blog/2013/12/25/the-picaso-designer-3d-printer.html

    http://3d-expo.ru/en/picaso-3d-russias-first-desktop-3d-printers-manufacturer

    Right now, their main website is down.  But i'll check back later.

    Edit: here is their main site: http://3d-expo.ru/en/picaso-3d-russias-first-desktop-3d-printers-manufacturer

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  kvs on Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:28 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    That aside, after looking at the only review of the Elbrus 4C through CNews.ru, I can safely say that the processor shows a lot of potential.  The fact that it came close to competing against a Core i3 and i5, with having little to no real CISC processor development experience before, besides working on the Elbrus E2K core, has shown Russia is more than capable of producing a chip that can easily compete with the big players.

    ...

    Baikal processors through Baikal electronics, subsidiary of T-Platforms may have a higher chance of being a direct competitor (and it will be good for MCST as they will have internal competition), due to the fact that T-Platforms (a major HPC making company) will be using these processors in the development of their cluster systems, which they seem to have a bigger access to the market than MCST as they have super computers built even in the USA.  So in this case, T-Platforms Baikal processors (whenever they will end up showing up for sale), could very well be the basic market consumer processor, especially since ARM processors are making a huge push into the consumer market (good for a RISC processor).

    The Elbrus CPU line is a competitor for Xeons and Opterons and should be deployed in Russia for scientific and engineering computing. T-Platforms should adopt this CPU instead of relying on Intel or AMD parts. Unfortunately, the Elbrus CPUs take a large performance hit when doing 64 bit floating point operations compared to 32 bit operations. This is the price of having a low power design with fewer transistors. MCST should release a variant that does not have this limitation and this does not require a ground-up redesign.

    The Elbrus design has demonstrated that VLIW can work just fine and Russia has managed this feat. Intel tried VLIW with the Itanium line but has failed.

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:33 am

    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    That aside, after looking at the only review of the Elbrus 4C through CNews.ru, I can safely say that the processor shows a lot of potential.  The fact that it came close to competing against a Core i3 and i5, with having little to no real CISC processor development experience before, besides working on the Elbrus E2K core, has shown Russia is more than capable of producing a chip that can easily compete with the big players.

    ...

    Baikal processors through Baikal electronics, subsidiary of T-Platforms may have a higher chance of being a direct competitor (and it will be good for MCST as they will have internal competition), due to the fact that T-Platforms (a major HPC making company) will be using these processors in the development of their cluster systems, which they seem to have a bigger access to the market than MCST as they have super computers built even in the USA.  So in this case, T-Platforms Baikal processors (whenever they will end up showing up for sale), could very well be the basic market consumer processor, especially since ARM processors are making a huge push into the consumer market (good for a RISC processor).

    The Elbrus CPU line is a competitor for Xeons and Opterons and should be deployed in Russia for scientific and engineering computing.  T-Platforms should adopt this CPU instead of relying on Intel or AMD parts.  Unfortunately, the Elbrus CPUs take a large performance hit when doing 64 bit floating point operations compared to 32 bit operations.   This is the price of having a low power design with fewer transistors.   MCST should release a variant that does not have this limitation and this does not require a ground-up redesign.  

    The Elbrus design has demonstrated that VLIW can work just fine and Russia has managed this feat.   Intel tried VLIW with the Itanium line but has failed.

    Exactly. Problem with 64bit is that VLIW isn't native x86 thus it has to have a separate instruction for it. And thus, that is where the performance hit is (theoretically) compared to lets say Intel or AMD's since both of those are CISC (I had it wrong the whole time, thought Elbrus was CISC and not VLIW). That being said, I agree, they can indeed increase transistor counts significantly. I guess we will not know fully until when Elbrus 8C is shown. That said, am looking forward to see what it will be, as well, what the future holds after that. I know they want to move as well onto APU's. Now Baikal electronics is moving into RISC with its future ARM processor and any other processor afterwards.

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  kvs on Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:26 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    That aside, after looking at the only review of the Elbrus 4C through CNews.ru, I can safely say that the processor shows a lot of potential.  The fact that it came close to competing against a Core i3 and i5, with having little to no real CISC processor development experience before, besides working on the Elbrus E2K core, has shown Russia is more than capable of producing a chip that can easily compete with the big players.

    ...

    Baikal processors through Baikal electronics, subsidiary of T-Platforms may have a higher chance of being a direct competitor (and it will be good for MCST as they will have internal competition), due to the fact that T-Platforms (a major HPC making company) will be using these processors in the development of their cluster systems, which they seem to have a bigger access to the market than MCST as they have super computers built even in the USA.  So in this case, T-Platforms Baikal processors (whenever they will end up showing up for sale), could very well be the basic market consumer processor, especially since ARM processors are making a huge push into the consumer market (good for a RISC processor).

    The Elbrus CPU line is a competitor for Xeons and Opterons and should be deployed in Russia for scientific and engineering computing.  T-Platforms should adopt this CPU instead of relying on Intel or AMD parts.  Unfortunately, the Elbrus CPUs take a large performance hit when doing 64 bit floating point operations compared to 32 bit operations.   This is the price of having a low power design with fewer transistors.   MCST should release a variant that does not have this limitation and this does not require a ground-up redesign.  

    The Elbrus design has demonstrated that VLIW can work just fine and Russia has managed this feat.   Intel tried VLIW with the Itanium line but has failed.

    Exactly.  Problem with 64bit is that VLIW isn't native x86 thus it has to have a separate instruction for it.  And thus, that is where the performance hit is (theoretically) compared to lets say Intel or AMD's since both of those are CISC (I had it wrong the whole time, thought Elbrus was CISC and not VLIW).  That being said, I agree, they can indeed increase transistor counts significantly.  I guess we will not know fully until when Elbrus 8C is shown.  That said, am looking forward to see what it will be, as well, what the future holds after that.  I know they want to move as well onto APU's.  Now Baikal electronics is moving into RISC with its future ARM processor and any other processor afterwards.

    I forgot to clarify the point about software. For science and engineering what one needs is a good Fortran 90 compiler and there are not that many useful off the shelf software packages. There are more commercial packages for engineering, but even there it is typical to resort to custom code. So the CISC vs. VLIW architecture differences are not a problem. Also, these days you cannot get far without a large amount of CPUs operating in parallel via MPI and to a lesser extend OpenMP. Russia needs to develop good clusters based on the Elbrus.

    The Baikal CPU is based on the ARM architecture and is good for integer heavy business computing.

    It was good to hear that Mikron has started producing the Elbrus-2S in Russia and has upgraded their equipment to produce 65 nm parts. The fabrication equipment was rated for 90 nm production initially. So Russia is developing, slowly, a proper microelectronics industry.

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:20 am

    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    That aside, after looking at the only review of the Elbrus 4C through CNews.ru, I can safely say that the processor shows a lot of potential.  The fact that it came close to competing against a Core i3 and i5, with having little to no real CISC processor development experience before, besides working on the Elbrus E2K core, has shown Russia is more than capable of producing a chip that can easily compete with the big players.

    ...

    Baikal processors through Baikal electronics, subsidiary of T-Platforms may have a higher chance of being a direct competitor (and it will be good for MCST as they will have internal competition), due to the fact that T-Platforms (a major HPC making company) will be using these processors in the development of their cluster systems, which they seem to have a bigger access to the market than MCST as they have super computers built even in the USA.  So in this case, T-Platforms Baikal processors (whenever they will end up showing up for sale), could very well be the basic market consumer processor, especially since ARM processors are making a huge push into the consumer market (good for a RISC processor).

    The Elbrus CPU line is a competitor for Xeons and Opterons and should be deployed in Russia for scientific and engineering computing.  T-Platforms should adopt this CPU instead of relying on Intel or AMD parts.  Unfortunately, the Elbrus CPUs take a large performance hit when doing 64 bit floating point operations compared to 32 bit operations.   This is the price of having a low power design with fewer transistors.   MCST should release a variant that does not have this limitation and this does not require a ground-up redesign.  

    The Elbrus design has demonstrated that VLIW can work just fine and Russia has managed this feat.   Intel tried VLIW with the Itanium line but has failed.

    Exactly.  Problem with 64bit is that VLIW isn't native x86 thus it has to have a separate instruction for it.  And thus, that is where the performance hit is (theoretically) compared to lets say Intel or AMD's since both of those are CISC (I had it wrong the whole time, thought Elbrus was CISC and not VLIW).  That being said, I agree, they can indeed increase transistor counts significantly.  I guess we will not know fully until when Elbrus 8C is shown.  That said, am looking forward to see what it will be, as well, what the future holds after that.  I know they want to move as well onto APU's.  Now Baikal electronics is moving into RISC with its future ARM processor and any other processor afterwards.

    I forgot to clarify the point about software.  For science and engineering what one needs is a good Fortran 90 compiler and there are not that many useful off the shelf software packages.    There are more commercial packages for engineering, but even there it is typical to resort to custom code.   So the CISC vs. VLIW architecture differences are not a problem.   Also, these days you cannot get far without a large amount of CPUs operating in parallel via MPI and to a lesser extend OpenMP.   Russia needs to develop good clusters based on the Elbrus.  

    The Baikal CPU is based on the ARM architecture and is good for integer heavy business computing.  

    It was good to hear that Mikron has started producing the Elbrus-2S in Russia and has upgraded their equipment to produce 65 nm parts.  The fabrication equipment was rated for 90 nm production initially.   So Russia is developing, slowly, a proper microelectronics industry.

    Agreed. Yes, the software end of things are what is holding it all back.

    That said though, I cannot wait to see Elbrus 8C. As it will be what they may use to make their cluster systems. A single blade can more than likely run two of these, add 64gb of DDR3 ECCM RAM, this processor can be quite the killer.

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  Mike E on Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:17 pm

    Deputy Prime Minister: Russia to Boost Space Microelectronics Production

    MOSCOW, September 22 (RIA Novosti) - Russia will boost its production of space microelectronics, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told Rossiya-24 television Monday.
    Western sanctions against Russia have two main objectives, Rogozin said. Firstly, to affect machine tools that are used to produce components needed by the country’s space industry, and secondly, to affect electronics.
    “Second objective is to harm electronics, microelectronics in particular, especially those that are capable of sustaining bombardment of heavy particles in space,” Rogozin said.
    The market for such components has been open until recently, explaining why Russia has been purchasing them from abroad instead of producing them.
    “This will be a challenging task, but it will be solved. I guarantee it will be solved, because today sanctions are a challenge to our national character,” Rogozin concluded.
    The European Union and the United States have imposed several rounds of anti-Russian economic sanctions over Moscow's alleged role in the Ukrainian conflict, targeting in particular Russia's defense industry.
    In response to the sanctions, Russia has taken measures aimed at replacing imports from Western countries with local alternatives.
    The Russian government is also working on an import substitution program to replace Western components used in the country's defense industry affected by the sanctions. The program is expected to be implemented in October.

    http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140922/193176603/Deputy-Prime-Minister-Russia-to-Boost-Space-Microelectronics.html

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Sep 22, 2014 10:26 pm

    Well, i know sputnik (developer of mini satellitrs, private company in Russia) partnered up with Microclet to produce new processors for space.

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  Mike E on Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:50 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Well, i know sputnik (developer of mini satellitrs, private company in Russia) partnered up with Microclet to produce new processors for space.
    Yep, that is just one example... Within the coming weeks, months, and even years, we should be seeing more of this. - Keep in mind that Russia is also going to buy microelectronics "for spacecraft" from China, so this isn't going to cover all of the market. Either way, at least with the added production of China, no delays should occur!

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:17 am

    Meh, i rather they make it themselves. They could try after all since it seems Russian tech companies are willing (mikran, elvees, mcst, etc).

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  Mike E on Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:24 am

    sepheronx wrote:Meh, i rather they make it themselves.  They could try after all since it seems Russian tech companies are willing (mikran, elvees, mcst, etc).
    Like I said, they will both make them and receive them. This prevents over-production and means that proven components will be used. It also allows the Russian manufactures to spend more time and money on other projects rather than forcing them to expand. It is a none-problem.

    That being said, I see where you're coming from... Maybe sometime in the near-future, production and the components will be "all-Russian".

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