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    Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:43 pm

    Moscow. July 24. INTERFAX. Minpromtorg Russia considers it inappropriate government support once the two projects "Angstrema and AFK Sistema (RTS: AFKS) (" Micron ") for the production of semiconductor components of the size of 90 nanometers (0.09 microns) and is preparing its association, said in an interview" Interfax Deputy Ministry Yuri Borisov.

    He said at this stage of the project "Micron" for the production of 0.09 micron chips actually run, but to implement "Angstrema" long, which could lead to the fact that in 2011 Russia will receive two plants with identical process parameters, which will compete in the the same product niches.

    "This volatility in a market of electronic components and downs of his volumes as expected. It is sensible to make these two projects on time and technological standards. For example, a focus on the development of technology for 0.09 micron and the second to put the future of 0.09. Now, We have received instructions from the Government of the Russian Federation to prepare a proposal on the possibility of microelectronic production ", - said Yuri Borisov, noting that the merger be carried out within a single legal entity.

    "The - the process difficult, because the existing two projects are private companies - Sistema group companies, and" angstrom ", but both projects are credited to VEBe, supported through the implementation of federal target programs, so the state is not an outside observer, but serious player who can contribute to this association, "- noted the deputy minister.

    According to him, not excluding the option that the first stage, the State will be the dominant owner, but after some time, will offer minority shareholders the option to repurchase.

    "The situation is not hopeless, we are in contact with the owners, discussing the various scenarios for. I believe that the association needs to hold a maximum comfort for all parties", - said Deputy Minister.

    As the "Interfax" the press service of "SITRONICS" (RTS: SITR), a draft "Micron" on 0.09 micron already received the support of the supervisory board "Rosnano and developed independently. "We see the markets in which our products will be in demand, and have experience working on them." Micron "is the absolute leader of Russian Microelectronics, therefore, quite logically, if the consolidation of the industry will be around," - explained in the company.

    Zamgendirektora "Angstrema Eugene Kolosova told Interfax that the whole company is not opposed to unification, but finds it necessary to give first attention to technology and product line. "First of all, we have to talk about the market and products for niche and demand, and only then we can start to explore the organizational and legal issues" - she said.

    As reported, "SITRONICS" and goskorporatsiya "Rosnano" will invest 16.5 billion rubles in the project to establish the production of integrated circuits topological size of 90 nanometers (0.09 microns). The project will create a project company, the share of "Rosnano" which amount to 49%

    "Rosnano" invest in the project 6.5 billion rubles. "SITRONICS" pay their share of the project company's capital equipment for production of chips at the plant "Micron", which is estimated to cost 6,5-7 billion rubles. The remaining 3-3,5 billion rubles of the parties to attract. This may be bank loans or financing from the Sistema "- the parent company" SITRONICS "- told a source close to the project.

    The Supervisory Board "Rosnano" approved participation in the project "SITRONICS" in early July. The next step is to sign an investment agreement, which will specify detailed parameters of the project and the capital structure of future joint ventures.

    Series production is planned for launch in late 2011 - early 2012. 0.09 micron chips can be used in industrial electronics, auto electronics, digital television, navigation systems GLONASS / GPS. It also planned to produce chips with enhanced functionality for biometric passports and other personal documents, banking and social cards, SIM-cards and RFID-tags.

    At the present time "SITRONICS" is already in Zelenograd manufacture chips on 0.18 micron technology.

    Also, the application of "Rosnano" to finance a project to produce 0.09 micron chips, and filed a major competitor "SITRONICS" - OJSC "angstrom-T." Scientific and Technical Council on 23 June goskorporatsii recognized project Angstrema "relevant international scientific and technical level and recommended that the supervisory board" Rosnano "to decide on its financing.

    "Angstrom-T's plans in 2011 in Zelenograd to organize the production of semiconductor components to the 0.09 micron, and the necessary investment in the project are about 190 million euros.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:53 am

    Is this to the Elbrus processors? Or are they coming out with a more open market processor? The Elbrus are amazing processors and Russia should market them to countries and universities who cannot afford the IBM/Sun counterpart, but still have an effective super computer.

    Russia has actually a very good tech industry. Problem is though, their PR sector is bad, and you barely even see their products anywhere.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Vladimir79 on Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:50 am

    sepheronx wrote:Is this to the Elbrus processors? Or are they coming out with a more open market processor? The Elbrus are amazing processors and Russia should market them to countries and universities who cannot afford the IBM/Sun counterpart, but still have an effective super computer.

    Russia has actually a very good tech industry. Problem is though, their PR sector is bad, and you barely even see their products anywhere.

    For military applications this is initially for GLONASS chips. It will also be applied to AESA T/R modules. The Irbis is at the final stage of PESA development so look for AESA radars to quickly fill the incoming Su-35BM fleet.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Vladislav on Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:42 pm

    .9nm when the West is at .64/.32 microns... we need to get with the program.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:07 am

    64nm? More like 45nm. As for west, mostly just Israel and USA, as Germany is stuck with 90nm for a lot of the AMD fabrication facilities.

    This is a step in the right direction. If Russia invests more and more into microcomputer technology, then soon enough they will have 45nm and such.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:50 am

    Rosneft is making the transition to the 64nm waffers. Look around 2011 for it to come out.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Stealthflanker on Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:24 am

    hmm any news on Russian progress in producing... HEMT (High Electron Mobility Transistor) made of GaN (Gallium Nitride) ? ..as far as i know currently Russia is capable of producing Gallium Arsenide modules for AESA RADARS

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Turk1 on Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:47 am

    Russian electronics are crap. When was the last time you bought Russian computer, TV, or anything? Turkey makes all this advanced and ships it to Europe, the most demanding technology customers.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:24 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:hmm any news on Russian progress in producing... HEMT (High Electron Mobility Transistor) made of GaN (Gallium Nitride) ? ..as far as i know currently Russia is capable of producing Gallium Arsenide modules for AESA RADARS

    Phazotron contracted with NPF Mikran, a semiconductor manufacturer, with support from the Tomsk Electronics University, to develop the Gallium Arsenide MMIC (Monolithic Microwave Integrated Circuits) technology for the Zhuk's T/R Modules.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:44 am

    Turk1 wrote:Russian electronics are crap. When was the last time you bought Russian computer, TV, or anything? Turkey makes all this advanced and ships it to Europe, the most demanding technology customers.

    HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH. That was a real good joke. Hmm let me guess, They got far better Fabrication facilities then Russia? Then why does Russia build Super Computers and Turkey buys it from other countries? Why does Russia have an AI technology that is used in SU-34 aircrafts and not found in a lot of western tech? How come Elbrus makes advanced microprocessors that where comparable to the IBM quality?

    I would like to see what your response is.

    BTW, AMD (Advanced Micro Devices) has a fabrication facility in Russia. My guess is that your AMD processors come from Russia.

    One last thing stupid. TV's and such that are manufactured in Russia are from countries like Korea, China and various other ones.

    The reason why you do not see the products that often are because either the microprocessors themselves are manufactured in Russia and or because it is limited to which countries they deal with as their PR sucks, not the product.

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    Rosnano teams up with AMD to bring Russia 65nm microelectronics

    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:30 pm

    RBC daily: Rosnano will release microchips coupled with a major competitor to Intel
    25.08.2009

    Russia goskorporatsiya Rosnano is negotiating with the U.S. Advanced Micro Devices (AMD), which is the main competitor of Intel processor hardware on the market, to create a joint venture to produce chips on 65 nm ultra-modern technology for next-generation mobile phones. While the most advanced in Russia remains a project Rosnano "and" Sitronics "on the planned production of chips on 90 nm technology, which is less modern. Rosnano may invest in joint venture with AMD up to 500 million dollars. In Russia there is no demand for such devices, but the chips for new smartphones - a very large market, say experts interviewed by RBC daily.

    AMD - an American company working in the field of microelectronics, specializing in the production of chips for computers. Income AMD in the second quarter of 2009 decreased by 13%, to 1.184 billion dollars, net loss reached $ 330 million

    Rosnano may invest in the project to 500 million dollars, told RBC daily top manager of one of Russia's companies working in the field of microelectronics. A source close to Rosnano, confirmed the edition that talks with AMD about the joint production of chips are maintained, but declined to disclose details. According to another source for IT-market, in an amount of investment negotiations Rosnano "in" several hundred million dollars. Where will set a possible production has not been decided. "Various options. Production can be created in Russia, abroad or set up abroad, and then transferred to Russia. In any case, the power, on the basis of which it is possible to deploy such a production in Russia has no" - the source added.

    "With AMD representatives" Rosnano actually met during the visit of Anatoly Chubais, head of state corporations in the United States. We are considering all the interesting projects with the use of nanotechnology, "- the press service Rosnano." The head of Russia's Alexander Belenky AMD representative confirmed that a meeting of representatives Rosnano and AMD, however, to comment on the negotiations, the companies abstained.

    According to the strategy Rosnano ", state corporation may establish such projects only in conjunction with one of Russia's commercial companies. In Russia, only two similar production - Zelenograd "Micron", and "Angstrom", and who can become a partner Rosnano is not yet known. "Angstrom, the profile is closer to such a project, since the very beginning, even when the USSR was developing chips of this nature. "Micron" is more focused on the production of microelectronic components and power supplies RFID-chips, such as transport, "- says one source. The press service of" Sitronics "reported that the negotiations do not lead to AMD. Contact with the" Angstrom "newspaper failed.

    "The demand for such products would definitely, chips for smart phones - very comprehensive segment. Within five years, most cell phones, will grow wiser, the smartphone segment is growing at 20-25% annually in the world. The main consumers of chips - the manufacturers of mobile phones in Asia and Europe. This project could become the most commercially successful of all the projects Rosnano, if we can start production within three years, until the technology is relevant, "- says the analyst of" Finam "Anna Zaitseva.

    With the joint venture will invest in AMD, not yet determined. "It can be either technology, or some know-how for future development", - considers the source of RBC daily on IT-market. The likelihood of such a project depends on whether "Rosnano find the necessary funds. "AMD has put forward are too stringent requirements for the project. The development of such a chip in the average cost 100-150 million dollars", - said one of the sources of RBC daily. "The cost of developing the chip is much less than the creation of the production process, which, in particular, requires good engineering infrastructures. Total cost of the project in such a case can grow to several billion dollars", - says another source.

    Rosnano "received from the budget of 130 billion rubles in November 2007. However, in August this year, it was decided to withhold the funds of a number of state corporations. In particular, Rosnano in December, should pass a federal budget of 85 billion rubles. It is expected that these funds will be returned to the Corporation in 2010-2012, respectively. August 19 Chapter Rosnano Anatoly Chubais announced his intention to issue its bonds in late 2009 - early 2010 with the condition under which the provision of government guarantees. The issue amount is not yet defined, it will form the basis of the needs of the state corporation for funds for investment in nanotech projects.

    "Market for such products in Russia, no, because there is no domestic production of mobile phones. Thus, all the products the joint venture could only be exported. An individual company is difficult to pull on the background of crisis such projects, so logically they are looking for outside investors. Russia now looks attractive for Western investors in such projects "- one expert in the IT-market. "We should not forget that Russia has already had experience in manufacturing mobile phones, albeit not very good. Nobody prevents to resume production. Plus, these chips can be supplied to vendors who produce phones for our operators. The direction is favorable, although more than a reasonable amount of investment Rosnano in this joint venture could be valued in 250-300 million dollars ", - considers the executive director of Direct Info Alexey Kondrashov.

    Russia tries to get into microelectronics and other means. The government is negotiating with Germany about investing in chip manufacturer Infineon. In Russia as a partner for joint venture may make the same "Micron" or "Angstrom."

    "Rosnano money back, previously selected in the budget - 85 billion rubles

    Note that last week it was announced that another major project Rosnano. State corporation intends to invest 250 million dollars in a joint project with Renova billionaire Viktor Vekselberg. The companies plan to produce solar cells in Europe.

    Clearly, a new impetus to the conclusion of large contracts given to including Last week's meeting of the head Rosnano Anatoly Chubais with Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, during which the head of Russia's Cabinet said that now is the time to invest in high technology. Chubais himself told that the abolition of state-owned corporations in Russia seriously discussed.

    Also added that on August 7, Dmitry Medvedev instructed Prosecutor General Yuri Chaika and head of its supervisory control to Konstantin Chuichenko until 10 November to conduct audits of state corporations and to submit proposals on whether further use of the organizational-legal form.

    In the near future the Government is determined to schedule a return to the authorized capital "Rosnano 85 billion rubles, previously transferred to the budget, the head of Ministry of Education Minister Andrei Fursenko.

    It is about 85 billion rubles, which were removed from the authorized capital of the state corporation in the year. As explained by Anatoly Chubais, the reimbursement of these funds will occur within three years. Initially, the authorized capital of the state corporation was made to 130 billion rubles, and then in 2009, about 85 billion were returned to the budget.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:43 pm

    Isn't Rusnano a non-profit organization that provides government funds to developing companies and or companies in general for future projects? And second, is this for AMD to develop the 65NM FAB facilities? Or does Russia already have it, but require companies in the know how to design the CPU's?

    And as for mobile phone......I don't quite understand. Me knowing processors and computer technology quite well (Was doing programming (stopped) and had my own company in high school in building and selling PC's as well as maintaining it), never really heard of a mobile cell phone AMD CPU. But never the less, it is a great move by Russia. In doing so, will this try to make the transition of the Elbrus processors to 65nm or less (now that the world is in 45nm and soon to be less)? Which company makes these Russian CPU's for the super computers?

    And if you do not mind Vlad (since you know Russia a lot better then me), what processor development companies are in Russia currently? and what are their products?

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:02 am

    A multi-core processor for the army


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    ­­The Ministry of Industry and Trade has opened a bid for the creation of a powerful multi-core microprocessor for 760 million rubles. The project has become part of the Federal Target Program No.1 “Development of weapons” based on the government decree “On changes to the government defense order for 2011 and scheduled period between 2012 and 2013.”

    According to the client, the peak performance of one microprocessor should be at least 150 Gflops (which means having the ability to perform 150 billion tasks a second). This performance is achieved by using 8 to 12 cores. The national operating system, Elbrus, will be used to manage the computers created based on these processors.

    The microprocessor is being developed mainly to be used with detecting devices, both radar and sonar. There are also plans to use it in computer systems for the simulation of new generation weapons.

    The future developer’s profit has been outlined in the technical assignment at 15%, which amounts to 98.8 million rubles.

    “It will be an incredibly high-tech supercomputer,” says Andrey Mitrofanov, spokesman for T-platforms. “Processing capacity of 150 Gflops is not a bad indicator.”

    “The computational nodes we use support this performance level and even higher, but it is attained with several microprocessors. In this case, we are talking about getting the same result from just one microprocessor. Meanwhile, the final version of the device could have dozens of such processors,” continues Mitrofanov.

    Among Russian supercomputers, the Lomonosov has set the world record for performance. It was created at the Research Computer Center of Moscow State University and has total capacity of 1373.06 Tflops (able to perform 1.373 trillion tasks a second) – a result that can be achieved by using 33,072 cores.

    In Russia’s industrial sector, all supercomputers are divided into two categories. Those in the first category are able to lead to the production of something new and groundbreaking. For example, drugs against cancer and HIV are being simulated on a supercomputer at MSU. Other supercomputers ensure practical developments for large companies. They are used to conduct high-priority exploration of natural resources like ore deposits and oil and gas fields.

    This requires the creation of a machine capable of supporting the work of high-tech equipment.

    “Things that before took decades or years to complete can now be done in a month to six months by using a supercomputer. All the new models always undergo computer simulation first,” says Mitrofanov. “Using supercomputers before going to develop new offshore deposits reduces costs by tens and even hundreds of times, as in the very beginning, there is an active exploration process, which makes it possible to not only cut costs, but also the research time.”

    In the aircraft industry, the use of supercomputers allows such giants as Boeing and Sukhoi to avoid building dozens of test models and instead create a 3D model, correcting it throughout the experiments, says Mitrofanov. As a result, research and design work is optimized, and the time and price of the work becomes significantly reduced.

    Ministry of Industry and Trade representatives were unable to comment on the order for the development of the super-microprocessor in a timely manner. Nevertheless, the ministry’s technical assignment reads that after testing and design works are complete, the demand for the device will amount to 1,000 units in the first year. In the third year after the completion of work, the demand will be 100,000 units. The price of a mass-produced microprocessor should amount to no more than 9,000 rubles.


    Seems like they are spending the money to develop their own processor chips.
    I hope they expand the use beyond the military and also develop them for consumer devices as the increase in production numbers and wider electronic base will make the chips cheaper and more attractive.
    They have had lots of dealings with AMD... it would make a lot of sense if they make their new CPUs compatible with AM3+ slots as used by the current AMD chips so the new chips can be used on existing hardware.

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    Nano tech armor

    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:56 am

    New light weight armor utilizing "nano technology". Supposed to be lighter than current army vests while providing "equal or better protection." The final product is supposed to be finished some time this year. What do you guys think?


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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Corrosion on Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:15 am

    Interesting....2kg weight is pretty good. Nano tech is very exciting actually. Studied MEMS(Micro) and Nanotech about 7 years ago. Have to say, the lecturer I had told me once that humans will see Nano tech applications in about 5 years time in daily life. Ofcourse he was over-optimistic. Not to forget the dreaded self replicating and changing one material into another, which will form future weapons. Shocked

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:45 pm

    The thing is that I saw that video years ago...

    Did you notice the news strip along the bottom of the screen near the end of the article that mentioned presidential candidate Medvedev?

    This video is about 4 years old.

    And fascinating of course...

    If you look through some of the threads on body armour or super soldier systems like Felin, I have mentioned a couple of times in the past that gel type batteries in the form of a vest could be used to power all the stuff a soldier carries while at the same time acting as a trauma barrier under a vest that makes the vest more comfortable to wear and reduces the impact of a bullet hit by absorbing the impact.

    The potential for future weapons is frightening... DNA homing bullets that will kill only white people... that will specifically go for the face...

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:30 am

    Yes I realized the date, but it is a very interesting concept and the video itself only had a little over a thousand views. Plus if it really is going to be finished this year like the video says then we'll probably start getting more news about it very soon.

    It would be very interesting if this technology became a part of Russia's future soldier program.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:22 am

    Yes, the change from a 12-15kg vest to a 2kg vest that offers the same level of protection or better would have a huge effect on that program.

    It will be good when they organise an equivalent of DARPA that can make sure technologies like this are applied across the board, as the concept could be used in new armour types for all sorts of vehicles from light to heavy, land based and naval and aircraft too.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:47 am

    GarryB wrote:
    It will be good when they organise an equivalent of DARPA that can make sure technologies like this are applied across the board, as the concept could be used in new armour types for all sorts of vehicles from light to heavy, land based and naval and aircraft too.

    I actually hadn't considered the possibility of this technology being used on vehicles, but you're right. This could be a huge leap forward in the development of armor for MBT's and other armored vehicles.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:00 am

    Especially where weight is important... over an area the size of a tank you could save several tons, which means your ERA and APS are not adding much extra strain on your engine and transmission and less wear and tear on your running gear.

    For very light vehicles it could be used as an anti spall liner, and it would also be useful for helicopters where weight is critical to performance.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Flanky on Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:12 pm

    Very promising Multicellular architecture from Russia: http://www.multiclet.com/
    Having single Chip capable of massive paralel computing is great.
    This chip isntead of having cores, is having cells. This cells are elemetary units in chips.
    Like memory registers and calculation units.
    This chip is capable of much more calculation in real time than standard western multicore CPUs.
    the only problem still remains is relative low frequency.
    But i hope they are well on their way to catch up with Nvidia, Intel and AMD.

    However there is still no sign of a 32 nm fab in Russia.
    This IS a neccessary step. State of the art electronics are CPUs and GPUs, not some 8bit/16bit microcontrollers.
    Russia have a good foundation of Microprocessor architecture and design, but they need manufacturing facilities.
    You cannot manufacture such critical components as CPUs that are an issue of natural security in Taiwan or outside the country in general.
    You have to have your own fabrication facility and not just one, but two atleast (for strategic pruposes).
    Building such a plant is not a matter of couple of months, but years and it is veeeery expensive.
    And they know they will HAVE to do it eventually.
    I hope they are not waiting for some sanctions or another blacklisting to come into effect to start even thinking about it.
    Because as i said, it takes years to built and relying on China is not a good option. China is intelligence hungry not just towards US but Russia as well, i would not be suprised having found backdoors in Chinese manufactured chips.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:11 pm

    Multiclet processors are specifically for specialized apps. Keydrives, satellites (this was recent) and microcontrollers. Its architecture is close to that of the Intel Itanium which are good number crunchers but not good in most others. This is a very modular variant.

    MCST makes microprocessors of 32/64 bit and their newest showcase this year is a quad core up to 1ghz and 65nm topology. Any ones for smaller topology is made in Taiwan.


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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  TR1 on Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:13 pm

    Turk1 wrote:Russian electronics are crap.  When was the last time you bought Russian computer, TV, or anything?  Turkey makes all this advanced and ships it to Europe, the most demanding technology customers.

    Yeah when I think of advanced electronics, Turkey is the name that comes to mind right away.

    lol.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:19 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    Turk1 wrote:Russian electronics are crap.  When was the last time you bought Russian computer, TV, or anything?  Turkey makes all this advanced and ships it to Europe, the most demanding technology customers.

    Yeah when I think of advanced electronics, Turkey is the name that comes to mind right away.

    lol.

    Old post from 2009. But lol.

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    Re: Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

    Post  Vann7 on Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:09 am

    Russia needs to compete with the west in everything if they want to become seen as an attractive market.. IF you look at things.. again and again and again.. every nation in eastern Europe or EuroAsia preffer the European Union and US.. not because of their "freedom" or "liberties" but because they are way more advanced and modern nations
    when it comes to technology for business or for civilians.  Russia is like a Giant factory that you can buy everything to develop technology..  and US and EU is like a Shopping Mall for people to buy already developed technology produced by them.  

    Russia needs to develop for God Sake a semiconductor Computer Industry.. Putin is eating shit for a decade buying
    computers from the west and software ready to spy in their business. They now planning to develop processors but only for government use..  No  

    Iphones ..is shameful to see Russia long lines for people to buy american hardware...when they could do better.
    Software.. even more inexcusable that Russia do not have an Operating System comparable to Windows 8 or Apple Leopard ,when even North Korea have one that is pretty decent and do not have all the Spy shit inside of american software. Game developing Industry , nearly doesn't exist either in Russia.. Is inexcusable that a nation like Canada with only 35 million citizens have one of the Giants in game industry world wide like Ubisoft ,and Russia have nothing that is world to mention. Movie industry ,Home theaters equipment , Audio.. etc.. the list doesnt end..
    They do have the capabilities to make state of the art military , but doing nothing on the technology for business and civilians use.

    Had Russia had at least a decent Semiconductor Industry that competes with the west , a decent Software Industry and a decent movie Industry , and heck even a music industry ..and their most important cities clean and not dirty ,then they could attract more nations to want to be like Russia. But so far ,what we see until now is countries that join Russia trade blocks because they have no choice. Since the west do not accept membership unless you give away your Sovereignty and territorial integrity and install NATO military bases.

    So in Summary Russia needs.. to compete in..
    Computers with Software Industry , Movie industry , Music industry ,Entertainment Industry and having decent Cars that everyone wants to buy will be a Plus.  Is pathetic for example and totally inexcusable   that in a hundred of years , Russia did not developed Civilians Planes that could compete with americans Boeing 747 ..and that now ,recently is that they compete with the SUkhoi Superjet 100.

    Russia needs an major Education Reform.. ,like Germany ,Brazil ,Cuba etc.. that is mandatory ,and its citizens are given all the tools to understand how any kind of technology is created..Everyone should be keep busy learning something or building technology.. from radios /TVs ,Audios ,Computers etc.. Thats the way Russia can become a
    real alternative to the west.. But for now the problem Russia have is that No one consider Russia as an alternative to USA or Europe that is integrated into american business. And this will not change not even if Russia modernize 100% its army and create an army that surpass in every way shape or form US and NATO combined. The only Thing Russia offer to others is cheap Gas and security and that can be debatable after how they have allowed their allies like Syria to be beaten so much.


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