Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

medo wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0jheHp072wU#!

Interesting video about development of Russian air defense systems.

TheArmenian wrote:If the photo legitimate (not a photoshop) than it concludes that the tracked pantsir is still alive and might see production.
I noticed that it has 12 rockets instead of the 8 on previous photos.

By the way Medo, why would the Army go for both TOr-M2 and tracked Pantsir? Aren't they more or less equivalent?

I will be surprised if the navy adopts the naval version of Pantsir on the stealthy Frigates and corvettes. The Pantsir system has a poor RCS. It will make sense to have it though on the aircraft carriers as they are not stealthy at all.

07/04/12 REPORT ON THE SHORTCOMINGS ZRPK "ARMOUR-C1"
April 7 2012 .
bmpd.livejournal.com, April 6. From 3 to April 6 in St. Petersburg under the auspices of the Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences (RARAN) and JSC "NPO Special Materials" held open Jubilee XV-th All-Russian Conference "Actual problems of safety and security." The conference was held in VUNTS Navy "Naval Academy. N. Kuznetsova. "

One of the participants at our disposal did read notes on the conference report, representatives of an entirely open-air defense of Russia "Evaluation of ZRPK" Armour-S1. "The report's authors - Belotserkovsky VV, Candidate of Military Sciences, Associate Professor (VPVO Air Force) and D . A. Razin (VA VPVO BC).

The report states:

Work to create complex "Armour-C1 'held by the" Programme of development of a unified system of antiaircraft missile weapons (weapons) "under the ROC" ZPRK "," Armour-C1 "," Armour-SM "," Redoubt "and" Gladiator. " On the basis of technical solutions ZPRK "Armour-C1 'plan to create interspecies short-range and short range, including the defense ST.

The main advantages of ZPRK "Patsir-C1 'are the presence of the automatic mode of operation, including in the composition of the subdivision, and the ability to fire at targets up and moving as the cannon and missile weapons.
However, the developer is not currently addressed the following main problems and shortcomings:

1) The actual results showed a low-fire testing of fire komplksa possible targets maneuvering and flying with the coursework option for more than 2 - 3 km

2) confirmed the possibility of shooting at targets flying at speeds over 400 m / s, although the complex is given in the TTX velocity equal to 1000 m / s

3) The maximum range 20 km provided at air targets flying at speeds of up to 80 m / s (target E-95), as disposable peregruki SAM at this distance does not exceed 5 units.

4) The main disadvantage is bikalibernoy rocket ***** otstutstvie engine sustainer stage missiles, which resulted in the stated range Zana defeat the missile will move to a negative acceleration of the order of 50-30 m/s2, which leads to the appearance of such non-linearities in the input signal control loop SAM, which lead to errors uvelichaniyu her guidance in the rapidly maneuvering target

5) is not confirmed by the possibility of complex lesion MAF, TRUNC, and their warheads using hypersonic missiles with a warhead weight 4 kg

6) the presence of only two methods of targeting missiles ***** (using three points, the method of half-rectification) limit the ability of the complex to engage with different types of EHV difficult conditions (maneuvers, noise, NLTS, hovering helicopters, UAVs, etc. etc.).

7) management system to undermine the hypersonic warhead missiles, which operates on a signal from ZPRK in accordance with the established difference between the distances between the target and the missile can be effective only when the mouse SAM ****** by full rectification, but when you hover the SAM method of "three points "and half a rectification works only when moving directly to the target shooting fighting machine ZPRK

in the latter case, the effectiveness of the above defeats the purpose may be low due to the phenomenon ricocheting submunitions chati battle, as in this case the vector of its velocity will be directed at a small angle to the surface of target

9) does not ensure the effective coordination of military equipment SAM (non-contact sensor field trip purpose, and the NDC area razeta submunitions warhead), and preventing operation of the NDC **** SAM from the surface during firing of NLTS
10) the impact of weather conditions (rain, fog, hydrometeors) to reduce target detection range for the developed RLSSTSR millimeter wave range is 10-50 times stronger than the version of radar ZPRK centimeter wavelength range, and this deficiency can not be skompensrovan presence ZPRK " Patsir-C1 'opto-electronic channel EC support, because the latter is also a negative depending on weather conditions

11) large dimensions in the BM ZRPK wheelbase, especially in height (in firing position 5.65 m ), And the lack of armor protection ognekomplekta, apparatus bay (SOC, SSTSR, MSA) do not allow ZPRK at the forefront in the battle, and pre-combat troops disguised orders

12) BM ZPRK dimensions in the stowed position on the wheel base (4, 374 m ) Does not allow you to transport it by rail, as the allowable loading gauge height (1T) is 3.8 m , And the dismantling of the apparatus bays and loading it into a platform for the transport with the aid of a special valve makes for a BM 3 hours, and requires a spetskrana and accessories.
Unloading and installation of the equipment compartment for rail transportation require the same labor costs (3:00) and the presence of spetskrana.

13) dimensions of the BM increased labor costs for technical equipment starting position compared to other SAMs (SAM) army air defense

14) while translating complex from traveling to combat the use of "ECO Mode" (with a thermal imager) exceeds the stated 5 minutes (actually 8-9 minutes)

15) at boot time full of ammunition with the TLV is sufficiently large and is 25-30 minutes
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