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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  George1 on Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:03 am

    5th series modernized Il-38N
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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:13 pm

    Sorry George1 I missed your post:

    Can someone give us info about the weapons carried by Il-38N? (torpedoes, anti-submarine missiles)

    From a helo the main weapons will be small calibre torpedoes and guided depth charges.


    In terms of depth charges it could use the S3V guided bomb with active sonar homing. It weighs 94kgs and is dropped into the water using a parachute... it then scans for targets using its sensor and steers itself towards any targets it finds as it falls through the water.

    There is also the 324mm calibre TT-4 homing torpedo. It weighs 380kgs and is powered in the water.

    There are also custom designed mines and also a special fuse that can be attached to standard aviation bombs to turn them into seabed mines.


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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  George1 on Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:36 am

    Russian Navy received another new anti-IL-38N

    The 5th one


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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  George1 on Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:38 am

    A new platform to replace the aircraft IL-38 and IL-20 will introduce up to 2020

    Does anyone have info in which aircraft type will be base the new platform? confused


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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:18 am

    When I first saw it I thought Tu-214, but where he says brand new aircraft I suspect he might mean the MS-21...

    the MS-21 is supposed to replace the Tu-204/214 and Tu-154 so it should be in the right weight class, and it is supposed to be ready for delivery in 2017 so in answer to your question... probably the Yak-242.


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:12 am

    A new platform to replace the aircraft IL-38 and IL-20 will introduce up to 2020

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150630/1103958839.html

    Zhukovsky (Moscow region)., June 30 - RIA Novosti. The new unified platform to replace the aircraft IL-38 and IL-20 in the interests of naval aviation of the Russian Navy will be introduced until 2020, told reporters on Tuesday the chief of Naval Aviation Russian Major-General Igor Kozhin.

    "The platform is now selected. By 2020 it will be introduced, will be the general structure", - said Kozhin, answering journalists' questions about the timing of input of the new platform.

    According to the chief of naval aviation, unified platform, created to replace the Il-38, as well as other asw aircraft type will be completely new and will replace all existing marine park aircraft patrol cars.

    "This is a new, modern machine that many issues will exceed their foreign counterparts. We appreciate the opportunity for its construction," - said Kozhin, answering journalists' questions about the main characteristics of the new platform, which should enter into operation in 2020.

    So only 1? Shocked not Tu-214 and Il-114? pitty
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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:57 am

    Likely the Yak-242, which is the designated replacement for the Tu-204 and Tu-214 and also the Tu-154... (Yak-242 is better known currently as the MS-21).

    the MS-21 is slightly bigger than the Sukhoi superjet and would be better suited to the role than the Il-114 which would be too small, and the Tu-214 which is being superseded.

    the biggest loser will be the still fairly new Tu-214, which has been chosen for various government roles... perhaps now the MS-21 will take those too over time.


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:21 pm

    GarryB wrote:Likely the Yak-242, which is the designated replacement for the Tu-204 and Tu-214 and also the Tu-154... (Yak-242 is better known currently as the MS-21).

    the MS-21 is slightly bigger than the Sukhoi superjet and would be better suited to the role than the Il-114 which would be too small, and the Tu-214 which is being superseded.

    the biggest loser will be the still fairly new Tu-214, which has been chosen for various government roles... perhaps now the MS-21 will take those too over time.

    I hope this would not be the case - Tu-214 is ready to be produced and no teething problems. No imported parts... and you keep production lines letting Yak capitalize on export potential..
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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  George1 on Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:17 pm

    Naval aviation of the Russian Navy will receive another batch of modernized IL-38

    Modernization is installed on airplanes of the new search and targeting system "Novella-P-38", which greatly expanded the scope of tasks solved by aircraft and their combat capabilities.

    MOSCOW, July 17 - RIA Novosti. The Russian Defense Ministry has signed a contract for the modernization of another batch of aircraft IL-38 Sea naval aviation, aircraft will receive updated advanced search and destroy submarines, said on Friday the press service of the company "IL".

    In 2015, "Aviation Complex. Ilyushin" has completed execution of the state contract for the repair and modernization of a production of the first batch of anti-IL-38 Naval Aviation Navy Russia to the level of IL-38N.

    "From the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation signed a new contract for the modernization of the next batch of anti-IL-38 Naval Aviation Navy Russia to the level of IL-38N," - said in a statement.

    Modernization is installed on airplanes of the new search and targeting system "Novella-P-38", which greatly expanded the scope of tasks solved by aircraft and their combat capabilities. The upgraded aircraft will be able to successfully meet the challenges of patrolling, search and destroy submarines using extended, compared to the baseline IL-38, the range of weapons.


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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  artjomh on Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:21 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:I hope this would not be the case - Tu-214 is ready to be produced and no teething problems. No imported parts... and you keep production lines letting Yak capitalize on export potential..

    No, screw turbofans on Maritime Patrol Aircraft. We've been through this already, it's not a good solution.

    Russia needs a new mid-sized turboprop engine to replace the Motor Sich Ivchenko one sometime in late 2020, and an airfraft to go with it. Until then, you don't need a new model MPA. Get the engine done, then then worry about new aircraft.

    Sea Dragon upgrade is a decent stopgap until then.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:14 pm

    I wonder if there are any programmes working on unducted propfans in Russia?

    The Il-114 is supposed to have 2,750hp turboprops based on the TV117 engine, but that is half the power of the engines on the Il-38.

    The D-27 is Ukrainian and at 14K hp it is probably too powerful... even with just two engines per plane.

    The NK-12 is also too powerful... perhaps a new turboprop variant of a new engine with a scaled power range that could eventually be used to power a range of aircraft from Il-112/114 through to the MTA and other aircraft... and perhaps even heavy UAVs.


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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  Rmf on Sat Jul 18, 2015 4:29 pm

    artjomh wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:I hope this would not be the case - Tu-214 is ready to be produced and no teething problems. No imported parts... and you keep production lines letting Yak capitalize on export potential..

    No, screw turbofans on Maritime Patrol Aircraft. We've been through this already, it's not a good solution.

    Russia needs a new mid-sized turboprop engine to replace the Motor Sich Ivchenko one sometime in late 2020, and an airfraft to go with it. Until then, you don't need a new model MPA. Get the engine done, then then worry about new aircraft.

    Sea Dragon upgrade is a decent stopgap until then.
    well there was project a-40 modification , a-42pe , using 2 turboprop engines from AN-70.

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    Post  Austin on Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:03 pm

    artjomh wrote:
    No, screw turbofans on Maritime Patrol Aircraft. We've been through this already, it's not a good solution.

    Why so this is what P-8A is all about and even India bought 8 P-8I and ordered 4 more few days back
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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:46 pm


    ''Russia Develops New 'Sub-Killer' Version of Be-200 Amphibious Aircraft''

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150719/1024805011.html
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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:00 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    ''Russia Develops New 'Sub-Killer' Version of Be-200 Amphibious Aircraft''

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150719/1024805011.html

    Is this the A-40 or something different?

    Wish they went with the A-42; those turboprops look efficient.
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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:42 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    ''Russia Develops New 'Sub-Killer' Version of Be-200 Amphibious Aircraft''

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150719/1024805011.html

    Is this the A-40 or something different?

    Wish they went with the A-42; those turboprops look efficient.

    No Beriev A-40 is different and bigger aircraft than Be-200


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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:08 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    ''Russia Develops New 'Sub-Killer' Version of Be-200 Amphibious Aircraft''

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150719/1024805011.html

    Is this the A-40 or something different?

    Wish they went with the A-42; those turboprops look efficient.

    Well, if they could install turboprops on A-40 what is stopping them from doing the same with Be-200?
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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  artjomh on Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:03 pm

    Austin wrote:
    artjomh wrote:
    No, screw turbofans on Maritime Patrol Aircraft. We've been through this already, it's not a good solution.

    Why so this is what P-8A is all about and even India bought 8 P-8I and ordered 4 more few days back

    Turbofans have very poor efficiency at low speeds compared to turboprop engines, which means that they do not loiter over a small area as well as tubroprops.

    While this is not an issue for most long range aircraft, MPA need to have an ability to stay for longer periods of time over a small area while searching for submarines.

    Poseidon has long been critized for being inferior in this regard compared to Orion. P-8 can still loiter, of course, but it will have worse fuel efficiency compared to P-3 or Il-38, and hence smaller operational time.
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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  flamming_python on Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:47 pm

    George1 wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    ''Russia Develops New 'Sub-Killer' Version of Be-200 Amphibious Aircraft''

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150719/1024805011.html

    Is this the A-40 or something different?

    Wish they went with the A-42; those turboprops look efficient.

    No Beriev A-40 is different and bigger aircraft than Be-200

    But what's the point of developing an anti-sub version of the Be-200 when the A-40 is already pretty much an anti-sub version of the Be-200? (in addition to other functions)

    If it's true that this is a seperate aircraft, then the article suggests that this project and the A-40 will be developed/ordered together - which makes even less sense.

    Perhaps only if this is a turboprop version; like a slightly smaller A-42; designed to replace the Be-12s mainly; while the A-40 functions as the larger, longer-range version for patrol and so on; ultimately replacing the Il-38s and Il-20s.
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    Post  artjomh on Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:18 pm

    flamming_python wrote:But what's the point of developing an anti-sub version of the Be-200 when the A-40 is already pretty much an anti-sub version of the Be-200? (in addition to other functions)

    If it's true that this is a seperate aircraft, then the article suggests that this project and the A-40 will be developed/ordered together - which makes even less sense.

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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:21 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    But what's the point of developing an anti-sub version of the Be-200 when the A-40 is already pretty much an anti-sub version of the Be-200? (in addition to other functions)

    If it's true that this is a seperate aircraft, then the article suggests that this project and the A-40 will be developed/ordered together - which makes even less sense.

    Perhaps only if this is a turboprop version; like a slightly smaller A-42; designed to replace the Be-12s mainly; while the A-40 functions as the larger, longer-range version for patrol and so on; ultimately replacing the Il-38s and Il-20s.

    Picture of the Beriev A-42PE Albatros aircraft


    Picture of the Beriev Be-200ChS aircraft



    For A-40/42 i know that only prototypes have been built. There were info for reviving the project some year before but i havent seen any development on this


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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:30 pm

    Rmf wrote:well there was project a-40 modification , a-42pe , using 2 turboprop engines from AN-70.

    It's been a while since I've seen this...thanks for posting thumbsup

    flamming_python wrote:But what's the point of developing an anti-sub version of the Be-200 when the A-40 is already pretty much an anti-sub version of the Be-200? (in addition to other functions)

    If it's true that this is a seperate aircraft, then the article suggests that this project and the A-40 will be developed/ordered together - which makes even less sense.

    Perhaps only if this is a turboprop version; like a slightly smaller A-42; designed to replace the Be-12s mainly; while the A-40 functions as the larger, longer-range version for patrol and so on; ultimately replacing the Il-38s and Il-20s.

    I suppose another thing to consider is that the Be-200 is already in production so the ASW version could be fielded quicker while the A-40 would take longer to be ready for serial production
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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:25 am

    well there was project a-40 modification , a-42pe , using 2 turboprop engines from AN-70.

    I liked that solution too, but with the D-27 engines now being Ukrainian... not really an option.

    The Be-200 could get away with less powerful turboprops, but I don't know of any in development... which is not to say they don't exist...


    But what's the point of developing an anti-sub version of the Be-200 when the A-40 is already pretty much an anti-sub version of the Be-200? (in addition to other functions)

    Likely because the A-40 and A-42 are dead, while the Be-200 will enter service... they seem to have chosen the Be-200 over the A-40 family.



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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  Austin on Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:33 pm

    Russian Navy Eyes Il-114 as Future MPA

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