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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  runaway on Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:33 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    i wonder why russia hasnt started any program for the replacement of old Tu-142 and Il-38

    The Tu-142 will likely be replaced with a mix of HALE and PAK DA, while Il-38 will either be replaced by the A-42 or modification of the Tu-214 or similar aircraft... the former offers the ability to land on water, while the latter would be cheaper to buy and operate.

    Tu-142 its a good aircraft, just upgrading the electronics and it will service for another 20 years. By the way i also think a stealth recon plane based on future PAK DA is a good and probably choice.

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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  runaway on Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:52 pm

    Now thats a very different question. Tu-214R?

    "Tu-214R
    Special-mission versions of the Tu-214 commercial transport aircraft, developed under the codename ‘Project 141', to replace the ELINT plattform Il-20 Coot. The aircraft are configured to carry the MRC-411 multi-intelligence payload, to include electronic intelligence (ELINT) sensors, side-looking Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) and other Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) and Communications Intelligence (COMINT). In addition, the aircraft will carry multi-spectral electro-optical systems.[25] The aircraft has conducted test flights over the Sea of Japan but the programme was experiencing problems as of January 2013. (Jane's Defence Weekly 16 Jan 2013)
    The Tu-214R makes it public debut on August 2013 at Moscow Air Show MAKS [26]"

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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:20 pm

    runaway wrote:Now thats a very different question. Tu-214R?

    I don't like the idea of using turbofan aircraft for ASW. Props are more fuel efficient and cheaper to maintain. Speed is not really of essence for a patrol aircraft, loiter time is more important.


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    Now thats a very different question. Tu-214R?

    Post  runaway on Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:21 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    I don't like the idea of using turbofan aircraft for ASW.  Props are more fuel efficient and cheaper to maintain.  Speed is not really of essence for a patrol aircraft, loiter time is more important.  

    India has chosen P-8´s to replace their Tu-142, it has turbofan engines. P8 are intended to replace the old P3 Orion prop plane in US and other navies.
    With speed the plane is quicker on station and can cover a larger area in less time.

    Tu-142
    Crew: 11–13
    Length: 53.08 m (162 ft 5 in)
    Wingspan: 50.00 m (167 ft 8 in)
    Height: 12.12 m (39 ft 9 in)
    Wing area: 311.10 m² (3,348.76 ft²)
    Empty weight: 90,000 kg (198,000 lb)
    Max. takeoff weight: 185,000 kg (407,848 lb)
    Powerplant: 4 × Kuznetsov NK-12MP turboprops, 11,033 kW (14,795 shp) each
    Performance
    Maximum speed: 925 km/h (500 kt, 575 mph)
    Cruise speed: 711 km/h (384 kt, 442 mph)
    Combat radius: 6,500 km (3,454 nmi, 3,977 mi)
    Service ceiling: 12,000 m (39,000 ft)

    P8
    Crew: Flight: 2; Mission: 7
    Length: 129 ft 5 in (39.47 m)
    Wingspan: 123 ft 6 in (37.64 m)
    Height: 42 ft 1 in (12.83 m)
    Empty weight: 138,300 lb (62,730 kg)
    Max. takeoff weight: 189,200 lb (85,820 kg)
    Powerplant: 2 × CFM56-7B turbofan, 27,000 lbf (120 kN) each
    Performance
    Maximum speed: 490 knots (907 km/h)
    Cruise speed: 440 kn (815 km/h)
    Range: 1,200 nmi (2,222 km); 4 hours on station (for anti-submarine warfare mission)
    Service ceiling: 41,000 ft (12,496 m)


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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  Viktor on Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:36 pm

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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  TR1 on Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:37 am

    http://armstass.su/?page=article&aid=126426&cid=25

    MOD to modernize 28 Il-38s by 2020.

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    Company "Ilyushin" Russian Defense Ministry submitted a proposal to establish a patrol aircraft based on the Il-114 passenger

    Post  Austin on Tue Apr 01, 2014 2:24 pm

    Company "Ilyushin" Russian Defense Ministry submitted a proposal to establish a patrol aircraft based on the Il-114 passenger




    March 31, AEX.ru - company "Ilyushin" submitted a proposal to the Defense Ministry to establish patrol aircraft based on passenger IL-114. This writes the ITAR-TASS referring to the chief designer of the IL-114 Nicholas Talikov's books.


    "IL-114 can effectively be used to patrol. Firstly, it has the proper duration of the flight, and it is - at least 11 hours - said Talikov. - Secondly, it allows you to install it on all the necessary equipment to patrol."

    "We have submitted your application and pending military department" - added Talikov.
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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  Viktor on Sat Apr 26, 2014 2:48 am

    3rd modernized Il-38N



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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  Viktor on Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:00 am

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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  Viktor on Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:31 pm

    First serial modernization










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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  George1 on Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:39 am

    what is the average age of IL-38s?? 30 years?

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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  Austin on Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:31 am

    Russia receives first serially upgraded Il-38N MPA


    The first serially produced Il-38N 'May' maritime patrol and anti-submarine warfare aircraft has been handed over to the Russian Navy by the Ilyushin Aviation Complex.

    The Il-38N is an upgrade to the original Il-38 maritime patrol aircraft (MPA), a derivative of the Il-18 'Coot' transport aircraft, designed for independent (or joint) long-range anti-submarine activities, naval reconnaissance, search and rescue operations, ecological monitoring, and mine laying roles.

    Ilyushin has been upgrading five Russian Naval Aviation Il-38 aircraft to the new Il-38N standard under a RUB3.45 billion (USD150 million) contract awarded by the Russian Ministry of Defence (MoD) on 25 May 2012. This serial upgrade contract was signed following the successful entry to service of a prototype Il-38N with the Northern Fleet in March 2012. Ilyushin officials have previously stated that 28 Il-38 anti-submarine aircraft are planned to be upgraded to the Il-38N standard by 2020.

    The Il-38N upgrade involves the installation of a new flight navigation suite and the Novella search and track system (STS), which includes radar, hydroacoustic, magnetometric, electronic reconnaissance, thermal imaging reconnaissance, computing, and navigation subsystems.



    On detecting a submarine, the Il-38N, fitted with the Novella STS, starts to localise a contact with subsequent tracking and destruction of the target in a highly automated mode.

    The functions left to the crew are supervision and decision-taking. Search efficiency in the near and distant zones is said to have been improved by a factor of four - allowing a single Il-38N aircraft to cover an area four times larger than that assigned to the original Il-38. In doing so, Novella can simultaneously keep track of 32 targets both over and underwater.

    The radar subsystem has a slot array receiver/transmitter antenna with mechanical azimuth scanning and adjustable transmitter frequency. The radar is understood to be able to detect aerial targets at 90 km, waterborne ones at 320 km, and a submarine periscope (with a 1 m² echoing area) at 30-35 km.

    The dual module radio hydroacoustic subsystem can operate with buoys via 96 channels, and is run by a single operator. Each module provides a complete cycle of information reception and processing from eight buoys. Three types of sonar buoys are used: RGB-41 passive, non-directional sonar; RGB-48 passive, directional sonar; and the GB-58 active emitter sonar buoy. For hydrologic reconnaissance RTB-93 buoys are used, and the new RMB-81 buoy is used for detecting a submarine based on its magnetic signature. Also installed on the aircraft is a quantum magnetometer with a submarine detection range of up to 900 m.

    Meanwhile, a gyro-stabilised electro-optic infrared (EOIR) system provides detection, tracking, and categorisation of surface targets.

    The computing subsystem is used to process the output from all the other subsystems and to control the entire complex. Two operators work with information systems and co-ordinate the performance of tactical tasks, whereas a third runs the radar and radio reconnaissance subsystem. In designing the new STS, special attention was given to minimising the amount of controls.

    Companies involved in the Il-38N modernisation programme include Ilyushin, Myasishchev Machine Building Plant, and Leninets Central Research and Production Association.
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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  Mike E on Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:55 am

    Pacific Fleet Ships, Aircraft Respond to Simulated Enemy Threat During Drills

    Some 30 ships alongside air forces of the Pacific Fleet have started warding off the attack of a simulated enemy during military exercises in Russia's Far East

    VLADIVOSTOK, September 21 (RIA Novosti) - Some 30 ships alongside air forces of the Pacific Fleet have started warding off the attack of a simulated enemy during military exercises in Russia's Far East, a Russian Defense Ministry representative reported Sunday.
    "Hunter-killer and minesweeping task teams of the Pacific Fleet have been placed in the designated areas of the northwestern Pacific, the Sea of Okhotsk and the Sea of Japan. After that, they started practicing warding off the attack on the fleet," the representative said.
    He also said that the exercise sees the participation of approximately 30 vessels that cooperate with anti-submarine air force units including Il-38 and Tu-142 aircraft, as well as Ka-27PL helicopters. The air force units are tasked with locating the submarines of the simulated enemy in the designated areas.
    The Tu-142 and Il-38 crews will place sonobuoys in the areas where the submarines are presumably located and the helicopter crews will practice searching for the submarine with the help of hydroacoustic stations.
    "Anti-submarine ships … have to detect and classify the submarine of the simulated enemy in the shortest time, repel its attack and use rocket-propelled depth charges to force the submarine to surface," the source added.
    The operation is conducted as part of the Vostok 2014 strategic military exercises in the Eastern Military District. The drills are taking place from September 19 to 25. The exercises were preceded by unannounced combat readiness checks.
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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  George1 on Fri Oct 31, 2014 10:17 pm

    Can someone give us info about the weapons carried by Il-38N? (torpedoes, anti-submarine missiles)
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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:36 pm

    Technically, a Turboprop engines are more efficient and much easier to maintain and handle harsher weathers (I do not know the logic behind it, but this is what I have heard from pilots and aircraft maintenance guys here in Canada).
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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:01 am

    Turboprops are more efficient at lower altitudes and lower speeds and would offer longer loiter times.


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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  George1 on Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:18 pm

    i think replacement of old Tu-142 and Il-38 with Tu-204MP and Il-114MP should have started already
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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:00 am

    The Bear and May can continue doing a good job for another 10-15 years... they both have the domestic version of Sea Dragon ASW suite and are very capable aircraft with relatively low operating costs.

    the only real issue AFAIK is with the Tu-142, which is probably a little too fast for the role and has some problems deploying the very low and extremely low frequency antenna for communicating with submerged submarines.

    It certainly makes sense to look at replacement designs but money could be spent on other things first.

    Of course development of an MPA version of the Tu-214 and the Il-114 or Il-112 would be excellent for the prospects of both aircraft internationally and domestically as extra production is always good for the bottom line.


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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

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    Modernized Il-38N second contract in 2012

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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:32 pm

    4th anti-submarine IL-38N, upgraded under the contract of 2012, providing for the modernization of five serial combat aircraft IL-38. The modernization included installation on the aircraft IL-38 of the new search and targeting system "Novella-P-38."

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1190071.html
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