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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:39 pm

    Unfortunately if this news spreads more widely in the internet various bozos will start the "look how russian planes and pilots suck our western planes can whoop their asses in a pinch" BS

    The key here is bozos... couldn't give a fly fk what they think, and will not ignore the bad things that happen because of them.

    Ignoring the bad things and focusing on the good things about themselves is what makes the US grate*.

    (* grate, To irritate or annoy persistently.)

    To those bozos American planes don't crash, American designed nuclear reactors in Japan didn't fail, etc etc. Don't argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

    WTH one of the most mature and dedicated NATO nations to jointly develop an advanced naval weapon with the "evil empire"?

    You are confusing the view of Russia from New Europe with the view of Russia from NATO.

    Relations with Russia and France and Germany and Italy, and indeed Greece and quite a few other NATO countries are actually pretty good.


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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  George1 on Sat May 25, 2013 4:10 am

    Russian Military Orders 6 Be-200 Amphibious Planes

    MOSCOW, May 24 (RIA Novosti) – The Russian Defense Ministry has signed a contract with the Beriev Aircraft Company for the purchase of six Beriev Be-200 amphibious planes, Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) said on Friday.

    “The contract is worth 8.4 billion rubles [$268 million],” UAC said in a statement.

    “The first two planes will be basic Be-200ChS models, while the following four will be the Be-200PS version without firefighting equipment,” the statement said.

    It is the first purchase of Be-200 planes by the Russian military.

    The Defense Ministry may order eight more planes in the future, according to UAC.

    Be-200 is the world's largest multipurpose amphibious aircraft, designed for firefighting, search and rescue, maritime patrol, cargo and passenger transportation.

    The plane can carry 12 tons of water or 7.5 tons of cargo, or up to 72 passengers.

    At least five Be-200ChS firefighting planes are currently in service with the Russian Emergencies Ministry.

    http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20130524/181331305/Russian-Military-Orders-6-Be-200-Amphibious-Planes.html

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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  GarryB on Sat May 25, 2013 10:49 am

    Would have loved it if they had ordered the original Albatross... the A-42, but the Be-200 is OK too.


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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  mack8 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:02 pm

    VMF receives one Il-38N:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OzD9EwoLWw#t=10

    A sidenote: didn't really knew where to put this, i thought initially to put it in the VVS section but of course it's naval themed. However most of the discussions here center around ships so it's easy imo to "loose" aviation developments. If i may propose something, how about having a topic in the VVS section called "Russian Naval Aviation news" or something like that, just like there is a topic for civil aviation? This way everything that flies is nicely covered in one dedicated section, and it would be easier to keep up to date with the developments. Thank you.

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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  George1 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:04 pm

    mack8 wrote:VMF receives one Il-38N:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OzD9EwoLWw#t=10

    A sidenote: didn't really knew where to put this, i thought initially to put it in the VVS section but of course it's naval themed. However most of the discussions here center around ships so it's easy imo to "loose" aviation developments. If i may propose something, how about having  a topic in the VVS section called "Russian Naval Aviation news" or something like that, just like there is a topic for civil aviation? This way everything that flies is nicely covered in one dedicated section, and it would be easier to keep up to date with the developments. Thank you.

    Il-38N is a new aircraft or a modernized one?

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    Il-38N ASW

    Post  mack8 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:23 pm

    They are upgraded old airframes, the Il-38 is looong out of production.

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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  Viktor on Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:36 pm

    Nice  thumbsup 

    Russian Defense Ministry will receive 28 upgraded anti-IL-38 by 2020

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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  TR1 on Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:37 am

    http://armstass.su/?page=article&aid=126426&cid=25

    MOD to modernize 28 Il-38s by 2020.

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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  Viktor on Sat Apr 26, 2014 2:48 am

    3rd modernized Il-38N



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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  Viktor on Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:00 am

    Another modernized Il-38

    Complete the modernization of the first serial IL-38

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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  Viktor on Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:31 pm

    First serial modernization










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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  George1 on Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:39 am

    what is the average age of IL-38s?? 30 years?

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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  Vympel on Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:03 pm

    http://rostechnologiesblog.wordpress.com/2014/07/21/multipurpose-amphibious-aircraft-a-40-to-return-in-the-russian-air-force/

    The Beriev A-40 is coming back.

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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  Austin on Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:31 am

    Russia receives first serially upgraded Il-38N MPA


    The first serially produced Il-38N 'May' maritime patrol and anti-submarine warfare aircraft has been handed over to the Russian Navy by the Ilyushin Aviation Complex.

    The Il-38N is an upgrade to the original Il-38 maritime patrol aircraft (MPA), a derivative of the Il-18 'Coot' transport aircraft, designed for independent (or joint) long-range anti-submarine activities, naval reconnaissance, search and rescue operations, ecological monitoring, and mine laying roles.

    Ilyushin has been upgrading five Russian Naval Aviation Il-38 aircraft to the new Il-38N standard under a RUB3.45 billion (USD150 million) contract awarded by the Russian Ministry of Defence (MoD) on 25 May 2012. This serial upgrade contract was signed following the successful entry to service of a prototype Il-38N with the Northern Fleet in March 2012. Ilyushin officials have previously stated that 28 Il-38 anti-submarine aircraft are planned to be upgraded to the Il-38N standard by 2020.

    The Il-38N upgrade involves the installation of a new flight navigation suite and the Novella search and track system (STS), which includes radar, hydroacoustic, magnetometric, electronic reconnaissance, thermal imaging reconnaissance, computing, and navigation subsystems.



    On detecting a submarine, the Il-38N, fitted with the Novella STS, starts to localise a contact with subsequent tracking and destruction of the target in a highly automated mode.

    The functions left to the crew are supervision and decision-taking. Search efficiency in the near and distant zones is said to have been improved by a factor of four - allowing a single Il-38N aircraft to cover an area four times larger than that assigned to the original Il-38. In doing so, Novella can simultaneously keep track of 32 targets both over and underwater.

    The radar subsystem has a slot array receiver/transmitter antenna with mechanical azimuth scanning and adjustable transmitter frequency. The radar is understood to be able to detect aerial targets at 90 km, waterborne ones at 320 km, and a submarine periscope (with a 1 m² echoing area) at 30-35 km.

    The dual module radio hydroacoustic subsystem can operate with buoys via 96 channels, and is run by a single operator. Each module provides a complete cycle of information reception and processing from eight buoys. Three types of sonar buoys are used: RGB-41 passive, non-directional sonar; RGB-48 passive, directional sonar; and the GB-58 active emitter sonar buoy. For hydrologic reconnaissance RTB-93 buoys are used, and the new RMB-81 buoy is used for detecting a submarine based on its magnetic signature. Also installed on the aircraft is a quantum magnetometer with a submarine detection range of up to 900 m.

    Meanwhile, a gyro-stabilised electro-optic infrared (EOIR) system provides detection, tracking, and categorisation of surface targets.

    The computing subsystem is used to process the output from all the other subsystems and to control the entire complex. Two operators work with information systems and co-ordinate the performance of tactical tasks, whereas a third runs the radar and radio reconnaissance subsystem. In designing the new STS, special attention was given to minimising the amount of controls.

    Companies involved in the Il-38N modernisation programme include Ilyushin, Myasishchev Machine Building Plant, and Leninets Central Research and Production Association.

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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  Mike E on Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:55 am

    Pacific Fleet Ships, Aircraft Respond to Simulated Enemy Threat During Drills

    Some 30 ships alongside air forces of the Pacific Fleet have started warding off the attack of a simulated enemy during military exercises in Russia's Far East

    VLADIVOSTOK, September 21 (RIA Novosti) - Some 30 ships alongside air forces of the Pacific Fleet have started warding off the attack of a simulated enemy during military exercises in Russia's Far East, a Russian Defense Ministry representative reported Sunday.
    "Hunter-killer and minesweeping task teams of the Pacific Fleet have been placed in the designated areas of the northwestern Pacific, the Sea of Okhotsk and the Sea of Japan. After that, they started practicing warding off the attack on the fleet," the representative said.
    He also said that the exercise sees the participation of approximately 30 vessels that cooperate with anti-submarine air force units including Il-38 and Tu-142 aircraft, as well as Ka-27PL helicopters. The air force units are tasked with locating the submarines of the simulated enemy in the designated areas.
    The Tu-142 and Il-38 crews will place sonobuoys in the areas where the submarines are presumably located and the helicopter crews will practice searching for the submarine with the help of hydroacoustic stations.
    "Anti-submarine ships … have to detect and classify the submarine of the simulated enemy in the shortest time, repel its attack and use rocket-propelled depth charges to force the submarine to surface," the source added.
    The operation is conducted as part of the Vostok 2014 strategic military exercises in the Eastern Military District. The drills are taking place from September 19 to 25. The exercises were preceded by unannounced combat readiness checks.

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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  George1 on Fri Oct 31, 2014 10:17 pm

    Can someone give us info about the weapons carried by Il-38N? (torpedoes, anti-submarine missiles)

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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:42 pm

    Until 2020, it is planned to upgrade 28 aircraft to the level of IL-38N. In the future, machines of this type can be replaced by a new generation of patrol aircraft based on passenger aircraft Tu-204 and IL-114.

    so whats is the most preferable replacement?

    turboprop engine aircraft or Turbofan? or both??

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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:36 pm

    Technically, a Turboprop engines are more efficient and much easier to maintain and handle harsher weathers (I do not know the logic behind it, but this is what I have heard from pilots and aircraft maintenance guys here in Canada).

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:01 am

    Turboprops are more efficient at lower altitudes and lower speeds and would offer longer loiter times.


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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  George1 on Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:18 pm

    i think replacement of old Tu-142 and Il-38 with Tu-204MP and Il-114MP should have started already

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:00 am

    The Bear and May can continue doing a good job for another 10-15 years... they both have the domestic version of Sea Dragon ASW suite and are very capable aircraft with relatively low operating costs.

    the only real issue AFAIK is with the Tu-142, which is probably a little too fast for the role and has some problems deploying the very low and extremely low frequency antenna for communicating with submerged submarines.

    It certainly makes sense to look at replacement designs but money could be spent on other things first.

    Of course development of an MPA version of the Tu-214 and the Il-114 or Il-112 would be excellent for the prospects of both aircraft internationally and domestically as extra production is always good for the bottom line.


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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  George1 on Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:38 am

    In Zhukovsky, the third series modernized Ilyushin IL-38N under 2012 contract was photographed.

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    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:32 pm

    4th anti-submarine IL-38N, upgraded under the contract of 2012, providing for the modernization of five serial combat aircraft IL-38. The modernization included installation on the aircraft IL-38 of the new search and targeting system "Novella-P-38."

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1190071.html

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    Re: ASW Aircrafts for Russian Navy:

    Post  George1 on Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:53 pm

    Pacific Fleet received the first modernized IL-38N

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    Post  George1 on Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:35 pm

    All the Tu-142 aircraft operated by Russian navy will be upgraded by 2020
    Russian Aviaton » Thursday April 16, 2015 19:29 MSK

    Over the next 4 or 5 years the fleet of long-range anti-submarine Tu-142 aircraft operated by Russian navy will be upgraded, RIA Novosti reports with reference to a source close to the aircraft industry. Today the navy operates over 20 Tu-142 aircraft.

    “The Tu-142’s avionics suite will be upgraded. The anti-submarine equipment, navigation and weapon control systems will also be upgraded,” the source said.
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    According to him, one of the key participants of the project is Zaslon Company (Former NTTs Leninets Plant), which already has experience in upgrading weapon control systems aimed at expanding an aircraft’s capabilities.

    In general three companies will be involved in this project: Beriev Aircraft Company, Radar-MMS and Zaslon.


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