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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  Pinto on Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:51 pm

    George1 wrote:India inducts Su-30 MKI into frontline 221 Squadron


    now this air base hardlu 100 km from pak border has 2 Squardons of SU30MKI, can this base be targeted by long range artillery fire by pakistan ?
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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:43 pm

    Not standard conventional rockets or artillery but by srbm it can easily be hit. Hence why I don't see point moving large long range jets closer to borders.
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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  Pinto on Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:55 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Not standard conventional rockets or artillery but by srbm it can easily be hit. Hence why I don't see point moving large long range jets closer to borders.

    and India has many squadrons of su30mki at many forward bases with pak that too when su30 has immense range and can be stationed at some back bases, very odd doctorine o move this one . its another thing that pak wont try this gamble to attack
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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  Isos on Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:06 pm

    Pinto wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Not standard conventional rockets or artillery but by srbm it can easily be hit.  Hence why I don't see point moving large long range jets closer to borders.

    and India has many squadrons of su30mki at many forward bases with pak that too when su30 has immense range and can be stationed at some back bases, very odd doctorine o move this one . its another thing that pak wont try this gamble to attack

    If they are under bunkers, it's ok. You need something very precise to hit them (5m accuracy) and one missile per bunker. But if they are parked outdoor, they can be destroy by just one hit ... and India doesn't have S-300 to protect them, no ?
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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  Pinto on Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:57 am

    Isos wrote:
    Pinto wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Not standard conventional rockets or artillery but by srbm it can easily be hit.  Hence why I don't see point moving large long range jets closer to borders.

    and India has many squadrons of su30mki at many forward bases with pak that too when su30 has immense range and can be stationed at some back bases, very odd doctorine o move this one . its another thing that pak wont try this gamble to attack

    If they are under bunkers, it's ok. You need something very precise to hit them (5m accuracy) and one missile per bunker. But if they are parked outdoor, they can be destroy by just one hit ... and India doesn't have S-300 to protect them, no ?

    i feel India as of now has spyder air defense http://www.military-today.com/missiles/spyder.htm

    for specific air bases in forward areas. India unofficially has S300 but it seems to have been deployed in New Delhi and Mumbai at sensitive places

    S400 deal is finalized but dont know when will India get them
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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:44 am

    To defend targets from artillery shells and cruise missiles, you are better off using TOR or Pantsir-S1 than S-300 or S-400.
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    Sukhoi-30 fighter jet with two pilots goes missing near Assam’s Tezpur

    Post  Pinto on Wed May 24, 2017 1:32 pm

    An Indian Air Force Su-30 fighter plane is missing after it lost radio contact 60km north of Tezpur in Assam.

    The Russia-made fighter jet, with two pilots on board, took off from Salonibari in Assam at 10.30am on Tuesday.

    IAF, army have called off the search for the missing jet. The search was called off due to poor light. The search, a defence spokesperson said, will resume on Wednesday morning.

    The search, a defence spokesperson said, will resume on Wednesday.

    The IAF’s Sukhoi-30 fleet has been plagued by engine troubles and poor serviceability.

    The Air Force, after carrying out a search on its network, informed Sonitpur district deputy commissioner Manoj Kumar Deka about the missing jet.

    The DC said he then immediately alerted the neighbouring district administrations about the missing plane.

    The Sukhoi Su-30 is a Russian-made, twin-engine fighter meant for all-weather, air-to-air and air-to-surface missions.

    The first of these planes were inducted by the IAF in the late 1990s. Since then, seven crashes have occurred with the last one on March 15 when a jet crashed in Rajasthan’s Barmer district.

    An inquiry into these crashes has primarily indicated technical failure as their cause.

    In March, India signed a pact with Russia for long-term supply of spares and support.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/sukhoi-30-fighter-jet-goes-missing-after-losing-radio-contact-near-assam-s-tezpur/story-cZ1J7LJhzEOLJxpLiIjZsL.html
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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu May 25, 2017 5:22 pm

    Funny they should say that since the engines are made in India under agreements.

    Once again the blame is being pushed on Russia for India's failures. Hence why I think selling a fifth Gen jet to India isn't a good idea. They will tarnish it and blame Russia even if it was using 100% Indian components.

    http://wap.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/first-sukhoi-30-overhauled-at-nashik-highlights-hal-s-growing-capability-114102300636_1.html
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    Indian Air Force plans to add muscle to Sukhois

    Post  Pinto on Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:50 pm

    https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/newsindia/indian-air-force-plans-to-add-muscle-to-sukhois/ar-BBD0Ipd?li=AAggbRN


    Seeking to enhance the capabilities of its Sukhoi-30 combat aircraft, the Indian Air Force is now planning to upgrade the capabilities of its frontline planes by equipping them with longer range air-to-air missiles and advanced target detection capabilities.

    The upgrades in capabilities are being discussed with the original aircraft manufacturer Russia, which supplied the planes to India in the late 1990s.



    "We are looking for enhancing the capabilities of the aircraft by equipping it with more potent weapons including air-to-air missiles with kill ranges up to 120 kilo metres like the Meteor missiles which are being fitted on the Rafales," sources told MAIL TODAY.

    Under the plans to enhance the capabilities, the air frame of the planes would also be strengthened to allow it to carry heavier missiles with longer ranges for carrying out special operations, the sources said.

    The aircraft is already being upgraded for carrying the Brah-Mos supersonic cruise missile which would be hitting targets in ranges up to 300 km.

    ENHANCING ENEMY DETECTION CAPABILITY

    The Air Force is also planning to enhance the enemy detection capabilities with advanced radar like the Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar which can help the IAF pilots to track enemy planes and target more effectively and at longer ranges, the sources said.

    The IAF has placed the orders for 272 Su-30MKIs from Russia in different batches and they have been deployed across the country at different locations in 12 squadrons.

    After the phasing out of the MiG-series planes including the MiG 21s and the MiG 27s, the Su-30MKIs would be mainstay of the Air Force with responsibility of looking after both the Eastern front with China and Western front with Pakistan.

    Under the upgraded plans, the IAF is looking to involve the first few batches of the aircraft that it received from the Russians known as Mark I. The rest of the aircraft would be upgraded as the batches keep getting enhanced capabilities.

    About three years back, the IAF had also issued a Request to Information to the European vendors for acquiring stand-off missiles with ranges beyond 300 kilometres for being fired from the Sukhois.

    For the upgrade project, Russia is also trying to involve European companies for providing weapon systems and avionics and has already started talking to some of the vendors there.

    The plan for upgrading the Sukhois has been hanging fire for close to a decade now as the discussions on the issue had started between the two countries around 2009-10 itself.

    However, the project cost has escalated hugely in these years as the Russians are now asking somewhere between US$ 7-8 billion (Rs 45,000-52,000 crore) for the upgrades.
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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  George1 on Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:56 pm

    India plans to install Kaveri engines for modernized Su-30MKI fighters

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2767627.html
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    Indian su-30 Mki have detected and tracked chinese j-20 stealth fighter/bomber from indian air space during chinese exercices.

    Post  Isos on Sat May 19, 2018 4:16 pm

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201805191064607135-chinese-stealth-jet-detected/

    Indian su-30 Mki have detected and tracked chinese j-20 stealth fighter/bomber from indian air space during chinese exercices.
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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  Pinto on Mon May 21, 2018 6:03 pm

    Isos wrote:https://sputniknews.com/military/201805191064607135-chinese-stealth-jet-detected/

    Indian su-30 Mki have detected and tracked chinese j-20 stealth fighter/bomber from indian air space during chinese exercices.

    Now this is exciting news with IBRIS radar tracking j20
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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  GarryB on Tue May 22, 2018 7:56 am

    The fanboys will likely claim they were not fully stealth during the exercise to prevent collisions and stuff... you know how hard the Chinese are for health and safety... Razz
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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  LMFS on Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:46 pm

    Is this "news" further intoxication or do they have merit in your opinion? Again unnamed "government sources" making outlandish claims about Russian hardware:

    https://www.indiatoday.in/mail-today/story/iaf-not-keen-on-getting-more-sukhoi-fighter-jets-1258923-2018-06-13


    IAF not keen on getting more Sukhoi fighter jets

       Ajit Kumar Dubey
       New Delhi
       June 13, 2018
       UPDATED: June 13, 2018 06:35 IST

    At a time when the Russians have offered to sell 40 more Sukhoi-30 combat aircraft to India, it seems that the Air Force is not keen to add more of these heavy weight and expensive to maintain fighter jets in its inventory.

    The Indian Air Force (IAF) already has more than 220 of these Russian planes in its fleet and has plans of inducting all the 272 planes ordered by it over the years by the end of 2020.

    "The Russians along with the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), which assembles the planes in India, have offered to sell 40 more of these planes to the Air Force but the Air Force does not seem to be very keen on acquiring them due to the heavy cost of maintanence which makes them very expensive to manage in the long run," government sources told Mail Today.

    The Air Force also feels that it has already acquired the required number of fighter planes in the heavy weight category as almost 50 per cent of its fleet comprises the Sukhoi-30s and the plane would be the mainstay of the force in the next few decades, the sources said.

       "The Indian Air Force does not seem to be very keen on acquiring 40 more Sukhoi-30 combat aircraft due to the heavy cost of maintenance which makes them very expensive to manage in the long run."

    - Government sources

    On the claims by the vendors that the Sukhoi-30s cost almost one-third of the French Rafale 36 of which would be joining the force in 2019, sources said the Russian plane costs three times more for maintenance than its existing western origin plane taking into account the man hours required for keeping the plane serviceable.

    The orders for Russian Sukhois have been placed by the previous governments in different blocks due to the delays in the induction of the indigenous LCA and failure in acquisition of a medium weight multirole combat plane in the last two decades.

    The Air Force at the moment is facing a shortage of almost 12 squadrons from its sanctioned strength of 42 which it feels would be required to meet the requirements of a two-front war.

    During its recent exercise Gaganshakti held across the country, the force carried out extensive flying with the Sukhois where the cost of operating the Russian planes was higher than the other western origin planes in terms of per hour of flying.

    The maintenance of the Russian Sukhois has been a cause for concern for the Air Force as the serviceability of the planes has hovered around 50 per cent mark in many years.

    American F-18 and F-16, Russian MiG 35 and the Swedish Gripen are considered to be the serious contenders in a new Air Force project for which a request for proposal is likely to be issued by the defence ministry before the end of this year.

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    This is signal for US and European lobbies became strong now in New Delhi. Indian government supposed to give more focuse on to induct indeginious arms in Indian forces then to be get in trap of those western countries prominently US.
    One can not deny SU 30 is best fighter IAF has. Now those whilte skins want to create confusion in Indian public by putting such news.
    Its open secret that any US arms most expensive in world and maintainance of thhose US equipments even more expensive. Mind well US economy based on armament sell and its development.
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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  Isos on Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:05 pm

    Indian are famous for saying bullshit to have more for cheaper. It never worked.

    The issue with russian fighters if I'm not wrong is that for big problem they need to be send back in russia for repair. The spare parts are also made in russia and it takes time to ship new parts to india. They should have asked to build more simple parts for the engines and other things instead of trying to get sensitive ToT they could never manage to put in production in India.

    50% servicibility is very good. Germans can use 4 or 5 typhoons out of the hundred they have ...

    Concerning cost per hour, su-30 are bigger and newer than the rest of the fleet so its kinda normal that they pay more than for mig 29 or mirage. Rafale will cost them much more than mirage too.
    Western always lie about those numbers. The leaks from swiss evaluation of grippen proved that Saab has lied on this cost per hour number. The actual number was 2 times higher.


    Indians think that westerners will help them be independent in aeronautics by sharing technology from f-16 or f-35 or rafale. The thing is that this won't happen anyday soon because they see india as a big market and nothing more. They want them be depedent of western companies. Russia proposed them indian made FGFA for less than 10 billion investment but those clowns want to pay more than 20 billion for 100 rafales ... and now they will pay probably the double than for rafales for mighty f-16 that china knows evrything about thanks to Pakistani.
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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  LMFS on Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:24 pm

    @Isos:

    my concern is the level of infiltration of Western assets in the Indian media. They are just buying influence to propagate falsehood, I don't think this is an India strategy to reduce price or anything like that, simply create the conditions to put pressure on the government and the services to buy Western.
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    Post  Isos on Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:50 pm

    LMFS wrote:@Isos:

    my concern is the level of infiltration of Western assets in the Indian media. They are just buying influence to propagate falsehood, I don't think this is an India strategy to reduce price or anything like that, simply create the conditions to put pressure on the government and the services to buy Western.

    Well, it's not really media (at least not only media) who say such bad things about russian stuff. The indian government clearly wants to adopt the "make in india" policy that's why they try to get ToT from western companies which none give them anything till today.

    Media are corrupt like in every country. In france for exemple all the media belongs to less than 10 people that are close to the power ...

    Russia should start to sell to Pakistan some su-35 and t-90 to take some parts of US market and send a message to indians.

    Concerning su-30mki they really like it and even plan to upgrade them.
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    Post  Militarov on Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:12 pm

    Isos wrote:Indian are famous for saying bullshit to have more for cheaper. It never worked.

    The issue with russian fighters if I'm not wrong is that for big problem they need to be send back in russia for repair. The spare parts are also made in russia and it takes time to ship new parts to india. They should have asked to build more simple parts for the engines and other things instead of trying to get sensitive ToT they could never manage to put in production in India.

    50% servicibility is very good. Germans can use 4 or 5 typhoons out of the hundred they have ...

    Concerning cost per hour, su-30 are bigger and newer than the rest of the fleet so its kinda normal that they pay more than for mig 29 or mirage. Rafale will cost them much more than mirage too.
    Western always lie about those numbers. The leaks from swiss evaluation of grippen proved that Saab has lied on this cost per hour number. The actual number was 2 times higher.


    Indians think that westerners will help them be independent in aeronautics by sharing technology from f-16 or f-35 or rafale. The thing is that this won't happen anyday soon because they see india as a big market and nothing more. They want them be depedent of western companies. Russia proposed them indian made FGFA for less than 10 billion investment but those clowns want to pay more than 20 billion for 100 rafales ... and now they will pay probably the double than for rafales for mighty f-16 that china knows evrything about thanks to Pakistani.

    Problem with MKIs are numerous, due to many reasons, some of which have nothing to do with Russia. However list is fairly long. Indians claim operational costs are extremly high, which...well... yeah, not sure what they expected from twin engine two seater, double the size of Mirage.

    India produces quite an amount of spares themself, however the raw materials for the production, most notably forged material is coming from Russia, as per agreement. Indians however claim they are being ripped off coz Russians are not accepting unused titanium back, one that remains after cutting, welding etc, etc. Then they have bottleneck in spares that do come from Russia, they claim at some point they had fighters waiting for spares 3 or 4 months, this i must admit very rarely happens with Western fighters, even legacy ones like Mirage or F-5.

    50% is okay... not very good, but okay. Question stays is it availability or deployability number, as those are not the same.

    Cost per hour of Gripen, as per Hungarians is 50% higher than they originally expected, however that in their case seems to be due to logistical reasons.

    Indians want complete ToT, thats why all the previous deals failed... Russians arent going to agree to that... seems Americans are willing to lately, you can defend one or another point, but if i had to choose id go with side that gives me ToT.

    During 2017. Germany had availability (not deployablity) rate of 81 our of 128 delivered EF-2000s. Considering the airframe thats not bad, not great, but not bad either.

    China also knows everything there is about Su-30s and Su-35s, whats your point Smile?
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    Re: Indian Su-30MKI: News

    Post  Isos on Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:46 pm

    Americans are willing to lately, you can defend one or another point, but if i had to choose id go with side that gives me ToT.

    French said also for rafale they will allow ToT and nothing was given. They played on the prices to make india buy only fighters. Now they are stuck with the rafale and chosing another one like f-16 or mig 35 would make logistic a real nightmare. Western companies don't want india to be a potential competitir in arm sells with cheaper Tejas that uses western techno.

    Russia proposed them FGFA. Which is a 5th generation air raft and proposed them to help them do it. But tyey wanted russia to all the work and give them the technology for 6 billion. Of course russian won't accept that.

    China also knows everything there is about Su-30s and Su-35s, whats your point Smile?

    Not really about MKI version which is far better than chinese su-27/30 (not su-35 which india does 't use). They know the f-16 caracteristics during typical missions like range or radar reflection when carrying full load of bombs or full load of missiles. So they can adapt their strategy when facing them ... they can guess what the f-16 is trying to do.

    Israeli aren't trying to always put their hands on oposite fighter just to take picture. Testing and knowing your oponent's arms is always good.

    For german air force :

    https://www.rt.com/news/425652-germany-eurofighters-not-combat-ready/amp/



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