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    Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:25 pm

    The Indian army has received remotely operated BMP-2
    17.08.2009

    The Indian army has received the first remotely operated vehicle of national development, which can be used for patrolling, detection of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons and mines, the Defense News. Established on the basis of Russia's infantry fighting vehicles BMP-2, a prototype of the military handed over for testing.

    As the publication explained, reconnaissance vehicle equipped with a wired control system, consisting of electro-mechanical controls and controls operator, which include radio transmissions, brakes, steering, clutch, parking brake, and other elements. Transmitted vehicle information is displayed using the graphical user interface.

    Developer of the new machine is one of the bodies of defense research and development of India (DRDO), specializing in wheeled caterpillar equipment for ground troops. As the representative of DRDO, novelty can be a promising precursor unmanned tank.

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    India intends to spend $7 billion on artillery

    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:19 pm

    India intends to spend $7 billion on artillery
    31/08/2009

    Prolonged standing in the program of modernization of the armed ground forces of India 155-mm howitzer FH-77B 39-gauge to the standard 45-caliber is under threat because of the high demands controlled artillery. India bought 410 howitzers in 1987. Aim pursued modernization is to increase the range of target shooting and allowing heavier ammunition. Improvement Program includes the replacement of the barrel, bolt, strengthening the chassis and equipped howitzers modern sighting system. Despite the fact that a number of artillery fire management acknowledged that the request is practically not feasible, the command is not in a position to review or change the specification, since it has the right only the Minister of Defense.

    This specification, prepared by the Ministry of Defense, in 2006, remained unfulfilled. Earlier this year, the defense establishment has published an amended specification, however, BAE systems, which is a manufacturer of FH-77B, refused to respond to it by reason of impossibility of performance requirements. Of the 12 private Indian companies with permission to manufacture defense products, proposals submitted only Tata and the manufacturers of rocket and artillery weapons (OFB).

    In accordance with the approved plan of modernization of Indian Army Field Artillery in the planning period from 2015 to 2020 to import and assemble at its plants by about 3600 howitzers, most of which amount to 155-mm towed, wheeled and tracked guns having a barrel 52 caliber. In addition, we plan to have in service about 400 FH-77B 45-caliber and 180 of Russia's 130-mm field guns, M-46, recently upgraded by the Israeli company Salt. Total project cost procurement of artillery systems intended to re-up to 220 artillery regiments, could reach nearly $ 7 billion, said ARMS-TASS.

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  Austin on Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:08 am

    Not related to russia but found out there is IA RFI that would want to upgrade their existing BMP-2/2K TO BMP-2M standards and guess what the RFI asks for exactly what the two link shows you , So we would eventually have a BMP-2M upgrade Very Happy

    RFI --> http://indianarmy.nic.in/writereaddata/RFI/26/rfi131109.pdf

    http://www.primeportal.net/apc/yuri_pasholok/bmp-2m_w_kornet/index.php?Page=1
    http://www.interarms.ru/arhiv/n1_2010/kbp-designed_modernized_fighting_compartment_of_the_bmp-2_-_an_efficient_way_of_upgrading_armoured_vehicles1/

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  Austin on Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:52 am

    Seem Indian T-72 uses 2 new FSAPDS round one from Israel and one developed by DRDO

    MK2 FSAPDS 125mm from DRDO is under protection and also, IMI 125 mm APFSDS was also under production at OFB.
    DRDO ammo, fair improvement in performance
    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/707/scan0078.jpg/
    Israeli ammo license produced at OFB while MK2 got ready
    http://ofbindia.gov.in/products/data/ammunition/lc/37-MM-FSAPDS-MARK-I.jpg

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    Post  f-insas on Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:13 pm

    well ,this is lot of fire power indeed,we can make the hell out of pakis with this kudos to mod

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  NationalRus on Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:40 pm

    india is doing some serious modernisation

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    New strike corps for China border

    Post  Corrosion on Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:12 pm

    New strike corps for China border

    In 2009, New Delhi acted decisively in sanctioning two new army divisions, about 35,000 troops, to strengthen Indian defences in Arunachal, which China claims as a part of Tibet. It can now be revealed that New Delhi has also sanctioned a new mountain strike corps, of an additional 40,000 soldiers, to be permanently located in bases in northeast India. The new corps is to retaliate against any major Chinese ingress into India by launching an offensive into Tibet.

    The new mountain strike corps will control two divisions, trained and equipped for an attack into Tibet. If China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) captures any Indian territory, by quickly concentrating an attacking force over Tibet’s impressive road network, the Indian Army would not be forced into bloody, Kargil-style counterattacks to recapture that territory.

    It would also be supported by Indian Air Force (IAF) fighters, operating from newly renovated bases in northeastern India. On July 26, the then IAF chief confirmed that Sukhoi-30 fighters had already been posted to air bases at Tezpur and Chhabua.

    Source: http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/new-strike-corps-for-china-border/446854/


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    Post  Corrosion on Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:17 pm

    BTW location of Arunachal on India map
    Image Source: http://www.nkjlive.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/arunachalP1.JPG / Google Maps


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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  Austin on Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:15 pm

    Ok here is some official information from Indian Army on the planned upgrade for T-90 Bhishma and T-72 , you can read the entire interview here but quoting the relevant part.

    T-90


    As the mainstay of the armoured fleet, the T-90 Tank is slated to receive state-of-the-art upgrades to maintain its dominance on any future battlefield. These modernisation schemes include an active protection system, improved Commander’s thermal imaging sights providing true ‘hunter-killer’ capability, an advanced muzzle reference system for retention of zeroing both by day and night and necessary software upgrades to optimise the capabilities of the fire control system. In addition to a modernised digital fire detection and suppression system, the tank will also be fitted with an environmental control system to ensure longevity of sensitive opto-electronic sub-systems. A project for fitment of an auxiliary power unit to enhance ‘silent watch’ capability and conserve engine life is also under way. As regards digitisation of the future battlefield, we plan to fit the digital control harness. In addition, the Army is considering introduction of a software defined radio (SDR) which will ensure real time data, voice and image transfer. The SDR hierarchy will also support the battlefield management system (BMS) being developed indigenously.

    T-72


    Tank T-72 comprises the majority of our tank fleet today. These are of 1972 vintage and need to be modernised to enhance their mission reliability. With this in view, we are in the process of replacing the existing engine with a more powerful engine, incorporating an auxiliary power unit, fitting a thermal imaging fire control system for the gunner with suitable night enablement for the driver and commander also. Other upgrades include the digital control harness and modernisation of the fire suppression system. To provide necessary realism to training; simulators for drivers, gunners and an integrated crew simulator for the crew are in various stages of introduction.

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  Austin on Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:26 pm

    To me it seems the T-90 Upgrade program maps 90 % of what T-90MS provides except perhaps for the newer Gun and Relikt but not sure of they would replace the K-5 with Relikt.

    What missing on T-90MS is APS which Indian T-90 will have.

    The T-72 upgrade similarly includes all that Russian T-72BA upgrade program has except for new FC system but FCS upgrade for T-72 was planned not sure if its already done.

    All in All T-90 and T-72 will have a long life of 2 decades in the Indian Army after these upgrade are done by this decade.

    Meanwhile IA seems not keen to add more Arjun Mk2 in its inventory , Good Details on Arjun Mk2 program the real problem seems to be Weight , with those weight Arjun Mk2 seems to be all dressed but no where to go.

    Check out also the excellent interview on Arjun Mk2 by its developer CVRDE has good details on the program

    India's Arjun Mk.2 Tank Revealed


    One interesting thing they have done with Arjun Mk2 due to its increased weight of 67 T with Mine plough ( without it would be ~ 65 T ) was to keep its ground pressure low.

    What they did was to increase track width compared to Arjun Mk1 which has low ground pressure compared to T-90 but some one mentioned on Bharat Rakshak that increasing track width come with problem of wheels getting dislodged quite often and are more prone to ground mine per density since large track means more exposed area on ground.

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  TR1 on Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:26 pm

    Good stuff.

    I am sure Bharat Rakshak is full of fanboys crying about "tincans" now, lmao.

    I wouldn't worry about mine problems with slightly wider track, an appropriate mine plow will solve any issue. Though at the same time T-90 has extensive testing and operational use in sandy environments ranging from Africa to India to Central Asia, so I doubt its ground pressure is an issue

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  Austin on Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:52 am

    TR1 wrote:I am sure Bharat Rakshak is full of fanboys crying about "tincans" now

    You bet ....Arjun has always been a blue eyed boy of Bharat Rakshak and T-90 of Indian Army Laughing

    I wouldn't worry about mine problems with slightly wider track, an appropriate mine plow will solve any issue. Though at the same time T-90 has extensive testing and operational use in sandy environments ranging from Africa to India to Central Asia, so I doubt its ground pressure is an issue

    Well if you check comments of nelson on BRF , he had mentioned that increasing trackwidth comes with its own sort of problem which is increased displacement of wheel from track and increased vulnerability of tank from mines for the same area.

    I think if increasing track is a simple solution then all western and russian tank would have gone for it after all every one needs low ground pressure.

    Check this
    http://books.google.co.in/books?id=WmbfjKRcQDkC&pg=PA139&lpg=PA139&dq=stopping+power+minefield+tank+track+width&source=bl&ots=PkOWD4oBlB&sig=YmJ4EfUItLnIz9TS2uz6WkUDgUA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2S4mUKrMBobNrQeFy4HQAw&ved=0CEoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=stopping%20power%20minefield%20tank%20track%20width&f=false

    There would be some kind of trade off involved , most latest western tank have ground pressure around 0.9 or 1 plus.


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    Indian Army (IA) Equipment and News:

    Post  ricky123 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:31 pm

    NEW DELHI: The Army is getting ready to dump its indigenous INSAS rifles, which have suffered from glitches since their induction in 1994-95, in favour of new-generation assault rifles with interchangeable barrels for conventional warfare and counter-insurgency operations.

    The humble foot-soldiers, often forgotten in the race to buy tanks, submarines and fighters, are also slated to get new close-quarter battle (CBQ) carbines, light machine guns (LMGs), specialized sniper rifles and anti-material "bunker-bursting" rifles.

    However, Army chief General Bikram Singh has identified the acquisition of the new assault rifles for the 356 infantry battalions and some other "fighting and support arms" in the 1.13-million force as a "Priority-I" project, say sources.

    Defence minister AK Antony told Rajya the Sabha on Wednesday that the project to replace the 5.56mm INSAS rifles was underway since "technological development has created more superior rifles over the years".

    Sources say five foreign firms — Colt, Beretta, Sig Sauer, Ceska and Israel Weapon Industries (IWI) — are in the running to partner the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) in bagging the huge project that would eventually cost over Rs 10,000 crore.

    Under it, initially 65,000 rifles will be bought directly from the selected foreign vendor, for an estimated Rs 4,850 crore, to equip the 120 infantry battalions deployed on the western and eastern fronts.

    The OFB will subsequently produce over 113,000 rifles after getting transfer of technology (ToT) from the vendor. The project could become even bigger if the eight-lakh-strong paramilitary forces also induct these rifles.

    "Technical evaluation of bids submitted by the five firms is over. The field evaluation trials will begin in early-2013. The plan is to begin inducting the new rifles by mid-2014," said a source.

    The new rifles, weighing around 3.5-kg, will come with two barrels, apart from night-vision devices, laser designators, detachable under-barrel grenade launchers and the like.

    The primary 5.56x45mm barrel will be for conventional warfare. The secondary 7.62x39mm one will be used for counter-insurgency operations due to "their higher rate of fire".

    INSAS (Indian small arms system) rifles, weighing over 4.25-kg and with an effective range of just 450-metre, had replaced the earlier cumbersome 7.62mm self-loading rifles but they too have now become virtually obsolete. The Army had also been forced to import one lakh AK-47s, apart from using the ones seized in encounters, for counter-insurgency operations in J&K and the north-east.

    The other procurement project already underway involves an initial purchase of 44,000 CQB carbines for around Rs 3,200 crore, with subsequent production of another 1,20,000 by OFB under ToT. "User trials of Beretta, Colt, Sig Sauer and IWI carbines are over now. The induction should begin by early-2014," said the source.

    The process for LMGs and bipod sniper rifles will also kick off soon. The Army wants over 16,000 7.62x51mm LMGs and 3,500 sniper rifles, both with an effective 1-km range, for its infantry battalions to begin with. "The aim is to get light-weight weapons with more lethality and range," added the source.

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    Russia offers India BMP-3 vehicles

    Post  ricky123 on Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:43 pm



    Russia has offered to transfer BMP-3 combat vehicle technology to India if India cancels its project, an Indian Defense Ministry source said. This has more sense for India, as its homemade Futuristic Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) can be commissioned no earlier than in ten years’ time.

    The FICV project was approved four years ago and has seen practically no progress since that. It envisages the production of 2,600 vehicles to replace the older BMP-2 combat vehicles. The project costs about ten billion dollars, while the government will fund 80 percent of development costs.

    At the present moment, India has in arsenal about 1,500 BMP-2 combat vehicles.



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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  TR1 on Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:22 pm

    1.) That is a pic of BMD-4, not BMP-3.
    2.) Why not invite India to wait a few years and check out the new Russian APCs, instead of BMP-3 now.

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:36 am

    BMP-3 would probably be ready quicker.

    It all really depends on Indias requirements... if they want to retain amphibious capability and they want it to enter production and service quickly then the BMP-3 is a good choice... especially the BMP-3M model.

    Kurganets-25 on the other hand wont even be finalised till 2015 at the earliest, though it would constitute a whole family of vehicles rather than just an IFV.


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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  Sujoy on Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:01 am

    TR1 wrote:Why not invite India to wait a few years and check out the new Russian APCs, instead of BMP-3 now.

    The Indian Army is in dier straits .

    Going by operational reqmts, there’s an urgent reqmt for 900 new-build tracked ICVs for ferrying fully-equipped infantry soldiers to the tactical battle area. Such ICVs are reqd for accompanying the existing T-90S & Arjun Mk1 MBT regiments. However, there is also a parallel reqmt for some 300 tank-destroyer-cum-armoured recce tracked vehicles.

    Originally, the NAMICA was supposed to fulfil this reqmt, but due to persistent R & D delays involving NAMICA, the Indian Army is giving serious thought to procuring the BMPT ‘Terminator’ off-the-shelf from Russia.

    Therefore, what Russia is proposing are two solutions to plug the IA’s urgent capability gaps: BMP-3 ICV for use as battle taxis, & BMPTs as substitutes for NAMICA.

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    Post  Mindstorm on Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:05 pm

    In my opinion India , at reason , will never accept to give up its FICV -Futuristic Infantry Combat Vehicle- project for production of BMP-3/3M IFV, the technical requirements in play are too different in level and sophistication to allow a similar compromise to happen.

    What instaed i believe possible is a limited purchase of BMP-3M vehicles with limited ToT related to some materials and design solutions aimed at achieve operative buoyancy ( retaining capability to engage enemy targets at long range ) to be eventually integrated in the domestic project.

    That feature, in facts, represent one of the most critical capabilities for vehicles in this class in conflicts between evenly advanced opponents , dozen of times more important and critical ,under a strategical and tactical point of view than some mm of RHA armor or some mrad of fire dispersion ; it allow to dilute enormously enemy force concentration ,both in offensive and defensive operations, to avoid completely majority of enemy's choke points and channeling defensive lines or conduct combined or even insulated landing operations practically anywhere ,quickly establishing defensive or ambush position with the disembarked infantry (naturally greatly aided by the unique fire solution, for vehicles in this class, offered by the 100 mm gun capable to fire 3UOF-19/E3UOF-19 rounds with 3OF70 HE-Frag projectile and "Arkhan" GLGM at typical enemy anti-tanks squad from outside theirs range of engagement ).


    About this last point i believe that would be very useful ,for Indian national security itself, to execute contexually and urgently also a test trial simulating capabilities of infantry anti-tank squads equiped with the latest western-style anti-tanks missiles to repel an attack conducted with BMP-3 class IFVs.

    I firmly believe that the image of infantry squads sitting ,completely powerless, while 20-30 BMP-3/3M IFVs stationed several km outside theirs maximum engagement range (even from open sea or distant river surface !!) procede to saturate with indirect fire of 3OF70 HE-Frag after 3OF70 HE-Frag round a defensive position after the other and with Arkhan missile bunkers ,engineering vehicles, field radars and even enemy IFV -always outside theirs enagagement range- all of that while disembarked infantry ,likely at theris own time armed with Kornet-E or ,worse Kornet-EM and Shmel-M, take position to engage any surviving enemy's element adn to take control of stargical point of interests, will lead Indian authorities at rethink instantly to the real operational value of the acquisition of systems with 2000 m class maximum engegement range such as FGM-148 "Javelin" or Rafael's Spike ATGMs.


    Do you know India has not the luxury to having the chance to select its enemies among third world opponents completely uncapable to defend themselves and armed , in the ssector, at best with downgraded export versions of early models of BMP-1/2 Rolling Eyes .







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    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:23 pm

    Going by operational reqmts, there’s an urgent reqmt for 900 new-build tracked ICVs for ferrying fully-equipped infantry soldiers to the tactical battle area. Such ICVs are reqd for accompanying the existing T-90S & Arjun Mk1 MBT regiments. However, there is also a parallel reqmt for some 300 tank-destroyer-cum-armoured recce tracked vehicles.

    It is very interesting you say that because in the 1990s I remember western speculation based on the radical appearance of the BMP-3 that suggested that they might be used as troop taxis, but when they off loaded their troops some could stay and offer direct fire support using their powerful weapons, while a large portion (say half or more) could then be used as a light mobile tank force/ recon unit without their troops that could be used in other areas nearby or even to mount a mobile armoured flank or rear attack on the enemy force the infantry were engaging.


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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  Austin on Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:02 am

    I think the new of BMP-3 sales is likely a red hearing.

    Most comments i heard on BR and DFI seems to suggest that BMP-3 is a bad design when it comes to crew comfort , safety and protection but good in firepower

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:29 am

    The BMP-3 has a serious design compromise because it was demanded it have heavy front armour and heavy weapons in a turret and it had to be amphibious. This meant the engine had to be at the rear to balance the frontal armour.

    If India doesn't care about the amphibious capability the engine could be moved to the front and a ramp rear door fitted.


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    Post  Mindstorm on Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:29 am



    BR and DFI seems to suggest that BMP-3 is a bad design when it comes to crew comfort , safety and protection


    BR and DFI suggest ?
    Very interesting...i image that theirs contribution is highly documented ,like theirs highly technical analysis of T-90S...sorry i want to say "tin can" its correct denomination....naturally all authenticated by the "legendary" comparative trial's results invent....cough....cough.....cited by A.Shukla.


    Without any pretense to contradict theirs high technical and supremely documented expertise, let me add only some...naturally completely baseless and absolutely personal point of view.....on safety and protection of BMP-3 adn BMP-3M IFV.


    Let start with a declassified CIA document on the subject (at pag 11 you can find some conservative eximations)

    http://www.foia.cia.gov/docs/DOC_0000498688/DOC_0000498688.pdf


    Let continue with implications....naturally equally baseless....of similar defensive factors on very recent development of offensive solutions for LAV's rounds .

    A pag 7 of the fist and pag 13 of the second anyone can find a very explicative graph and image projection ( ostensibly wrote by someone that has no get the luck to study at BR or DFI University) of BMP-3/3M level of protection


    http://www.kalasnyikov.hu/dokumentumok/cta.pdf


    http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2009gunmissile/7961leslie.pdf


    Moreover firepower (in particular 100 mm 3OF70 HE-Frag projectile capable to engage ANY western ATGM squad from WELL outside theirs maximum engagement range...Javelin/Spike anyone ?....and Arkhan guided missile capable to engage enemy LAVs and bunkers from outside their area of return fire for not say enemy surveillance UAVs and helicopters) is not its most defining feature , strategical and tactical mobility is likely even more.


    From 6:48 on of this video someone can get a....naturally totally baseless....idea of what said.








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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  Sujoy on Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:15 am

    Mindstorm wrote:In my opinion India , at reason , will never accept to give up its FICV -Futuristic Infantry Combat Vehicle- project for production of BMP-3/3M IFV, the technical requirements in play are too different in level and sophistication to allow a similar compromise to happen.

    The FICV as of now is completely stalled . TATA had teamed up with Rheinmetall but the later got banned from doing business in India , TATA is now searching for a new partner . That leaves out two JV teams BAE + M&M and Rosoboronexport + OFB .

    It would be good if Rosoboronexport can now sell a limited number of BMP 3 with a few modifications as per Indian requirements and make a proposal to upgrade them to FICV standards in the near future . The BMP 3s can then be sold to another interested party in Asia , Africa or Latin America.


    Mindstorm wrote:will lead Indian authorities at rethink instantly to the real operational value of the acquisition of systems with 2000 m class maximum engegement range such as FGM-148 "Javelin" or Rafael's Spike ATGMs.

    The proposal to buy Javelin has now been shelved as the US was unwilling to transfer full ToT. Also it does NOT make sense to buy a $125K system when you can get two other such systems for the price of one . As far as SPIKE is concerned the staff evaluation is still going on and there are no plans to purchase it yet.

    As on this date the Indian Army has 1400 Kornet E and very soon 10,000 Konkur M and 25,000 Invar missiles are arriving from Russia . Under the ToT agreement another 15,000 Invar missiles will be produced in India .

    Given the current threat scenario this should suffice in the short run.



    Mindstorm wrote:From 6:48 on of this video someone can get a....naturally totally baseless....idea of what said.

    Sorry ...didn't get your point .






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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  Austin on Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:34 am

    Nice post Mindstorm , Thanks for clarifying the whole issue , My vote for it.

    I think right now India will be upgrading its BMP-2 fleet to BMP-2M standard with Kornet and EO systems.

    A modified BMP-3 offering logistics commonality with BMP-2 will be only good the way i think

    Modified BMP-2 will serve a long time to come in the IA.

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  TR1 on Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:30 am

    Indeed there are many good up-armor packages for BMP-2 that put armor on levels no worse than say Stryker or IFVs in similar weight class.

    BMP-3 is an excellent redo/cavalry vehicle, but the troop compartment is definatly not ideal for role as main IFV.

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