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    Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:25 pm

    The Indian army has received remotely operated BMP-2
    17.08.2009

    The Indian army has received the first remotely operated vehicle of national development, which can be used for patrolling, detection of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons and mines, the Defense News. Established on the basis of Russia's infantry fighting vehicles BMP-2, a prototype of the military handed over for testing.

    As the publication explained, reconnaissance vehicle equipped with a wired control system, consisting of electro-mechanical controls and controls operator, which include radio transmissions, brakes, steering, clutch, parking brake, and other elements. Transmitted vehicle information is displayed using the graphical user interface.

    Developer of the new machine is one of the bodies of defense research and development of India (DRDO), specializing in wheeled caterpillar equipment for ground troops. As the representative of DRDO, novelty can be a promising precursor unmanned tank.

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    India intends to spend $7 billion on artillery

    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:19 pm

    India intends to spend $7 billion on artillery
    31/08/2009

    Prolonged standing in the program of modernization of the armed ground forces of India 155-mm howitzer FH-77B 39-gauge to the standard 45-caliber is under threat because of the high demands controlled artillery. India bought 410 howitzers in 1987. Aim pursued modernization is to increase the range of target shooting and allowing heavier ammunition. Improvement Program includes the replacement of the barrel, bolt, strengthening the chassis and equipped howitzers modern sighting system. Despite the fact that a number of artillery fire management acknowledged that the request is practically not feasible, the command is not in a position to review or change the specification, since it has the right only the Minister of Defense.

    This specification, prepared by the Ministry of Defense, in 2006, remained unfulfilled. Earlier this year, the defense establishment has published an amended specification, however, BAE systems, which is a manufacturer of FH-77B, refused to respond to it by reason of impossibility of performance requirements. Of the 12 private Indian companies with permission to manufacture defense products, proposals submitted only Tata and the manufacturers of rocket and artillery weapons (OFB).

    In accordance with the approved plan of modernization of Indian Army Field Artillery in the planning period from 2015 to 2020 to import and assemble at its plants by about 3600 howitzers, most of which amount to 155-mm towed, wheeled and tracked guns having a barrel 52 caliber. In addition, we plan to have in service about 400 FH-77B 45-caliber and 180 of Russia's 130-mm field guns, M-46, recently upgraded by the Israeli company Salt. Total project cost procurement of artillery systems intended to re-up to 220 artillery regiments, could reach nearly $ 7 billion, said ARMS-TASS.

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    Post  Austin on Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:08 am

    Not related to russia but found out there is IA RFI that would want to upgrade their existing BMP-2/2K TO BMP-2M standards and guess what the RFI asks for exactly what the two link shows you , So we would eventually have a BMP-2M upgrade Very Happy

    RFI --> http://indianarmy.nic.in/writereaddata/RFI/26/rfi131109.pdf

    http://www.primeportal.net/apc/yuri_pasholok/bmp-2m_w_kornet/index.php?Page=1
    http://www.interarms.ru/arhiv/n1_2010/kbp-designed_modernized_fighting_compartment_of_the_bmp-2_-_an_efficient_way_of_upgrading_armoured_vehicles1/

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    Post  Austin on Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:52 am

    Seem Indian T-72 uses 2 new FSAPDS round one from Israel and one developed by DRDO

    MK2 FSAPDS 125mm from DRDO is under protection and also, IMI 125 mm APFSDS was also under production at OFB.
    DRDO ammo, fair improvement in performance
    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/707/scan0078.jpg/
    Israeli ammo license produced at OFB while MK2 got ready
    http://ofbindia.gov.in/products/data/ammunition/lc/37-MM-FSAPDS-MARK-I.jpg

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    Post  f-insas on Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:13 pm

    well ,this is lot of fire power indeed,we can make the hell out of pakis with this kudos to mod
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    Post  NationalRus on Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:40 pm

    india is doing some serious modernisation

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    New strike corps for China border

    Post  Corrosion on Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:12 pm

    New strike corps for China border

    In 2009, New Delhi acted decisively in sanctioning two new army divisions, about 35,000 troops, to strengthen Indian defences in Arunachal, which China claims as a part of Tibet. It can now be revealed that New Delhi has also sanctioned a new mountain strike corps, of an additional 40,000 soldiers, to be permanently located in bases in northeast India. The new corps is to retaliate against any major Chinese ingress into India by launching an offensive into Tibet.

    The new mountain strike corps will control two divisions, trained and equipped for an attack into Tibet. If China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) captures any Indian territory, by quickly concentrating an attacking force over Tibet’s impressive road network, the Indian Army would not be forced into bloody, Kargil-style counterattacks to recapture that territory.

    It would also be supported by Indian Air Force (IAF) fighters, operating from newly renovated bases in northeastern India. On July 26, the then IAF chief confirmed that Sukhoi-30 fighters had already been posted to air bases at Tezpur and Chhabua.

    Source: http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/new-strike-corps-for-china-border/446854/


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    Post  Corrosion on Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:17 pm

    BTW location of Arunachal on India map
    Image Source: http://www.nkjlive.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/arunachalP1.JPG / Google Maps


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    Post  Austin on Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:15 pm

    Ok here is some official information from Indian Army on the planned upgrade for T-90 Bhishma and T-72 , you can read the entire interview here but quoting the relevant part.

    T-90


    As the mainstay of the armoured fleet, the T-90 Tank is slated to receive state-of-the-art upgrades to maintain its dominance on any future battlefield. These modernisation schemes include an active protection system, improved Commander’s thermal imaging sights providing true ‘hunter-killer’ capability, an advanced muzzle reference system for retention of zeroing both by day and night and necessary software upgrades to optimise the capabilities of the fire control system. In addition to a modernised digital fire detection and suppression system, the tank will also be fitted with an environmental control system to ensure longevity of sensitive opto-electronic sub-systems. A project for fitment of an auxiliary power unit to enhance ‘silent watch’ capability and conserve engine life is also under way. As regards digitisation of the future battlefield, we plan to fit the digital control harness. In addition, the Army is considering introduction of a software defined radio (SDR) which will ensure real time data, voice and image transfer. The SDR hierarchy will also support the battlefield management system (BMS) being developed indigenously.

    T-72


    Tank T-72 comprises the majority of our tank fleet today. These are of 1972 vintage and need to be modernised to enhance their mission reliability. With this in view, we are in the process of replacing the existing engine with a more powerful engine, incorporating an auxiliary power unit, fitting a thermal imaging fire control system for the gunner with suitable night enablement for the driver and commander also. Other upgrades include the digital control harness and modernisation of the fire suppression system. To provide necessary realism to training; simulators for drivers, gunners and an integrated crew simulator for the crew are in various stages of introduction.

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    Post  Austin on Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:26 pm

    To me it seems the T-90 Upgrade program maps 90 % of what T-90MS provides except perhaps for the newer Gun and Relikt but not sure of they would replace the K-5 with Relikt.

    What missing on T-90MS is APS which Indian T-90 will have.

    The T-72 upgrade similarly includes all that Russian T-72BA upgrade program has except for new FC system but FCS upgrade for T-72 was planned not sure if its already done.

    All in All T-90 and T-72 will have a long life of 2 decades in the Indian Army after these upgrade are done by this decade.

    Meanwhile IA seems not keen to add more Arjun Mk2 in its inventory , Good Details on Arjun Mk2 program the real problem seems to be Weight , with those weight Arjun Mk2 seems to be all dressed but no where to go.

    Check out also the excellent interview on Arjun Mk2 by its developer CVRDE has good details on the program

    India's Arjun Mk.2 Tank Revealed


    One interesting thing they have done with Arjun Mk2 due to its increased weight of 67 T with Mine plough ( without it would be ~ 65 T ) was to keep its ground pressure low.

    What they did was to increase track width compared to Arjun Mk1 which has low ground pressure compared to T-90 but some one mentioned on Bharat Rakshak that increasing track width come with problem of wheels getting dislodged quite often and are more prone to ground mine per density since large track means more exposed area on ground.
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    Post  TR1 on Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:26 pm

    Good stuff.

    I am sure Bharat Rakshak is full of fanboys crying about "tincans" now, lmao.

    I wouldn't worry about mine problems with slightly wider track, an appropriate mine plow will solve any issue. Though at the same time T-90 has extensive testing and operational use in sandy environments ranging from Africa to India to Central Asia, so I doubt its ground pressure is an issue

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    Post  Austin on Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:52 am

    TR1 wrote:I am sure Bharat Rakshak is full of fanboys crying about "tincans" now

    You bet ....Arjun has always been a blue eyed boy of Bharat Rakshak and T-90 of Indian Army Laughing

    I wouldn't worry about mine problems with slightly wider track, an appropriate mine plow will solve any issue. Though at the same time T-90 has extensive testing and operational use in sandy environments ranging from Africa to India to Central Asia, so I doubt its ground pressure is an issue

    Well if you check comments of nelson on BRF , he had mentioned that increasing trackwidth comes with its own sort of problem which is increased displacement of wheel from track and increased vulnerability of tank from mines for the same area.

    I think if increasing track is a simple solution then all western and russian tank would have gone for it after all every one needs low ground pressure.

    Check this
    http://books.google.co.in/books?id=WmbfjKRcQDkC&pg=PA139&lpg=PA139&dq=stopping+power+minefield+tank+track+width&source=bl&ots=PkOWD4oBlB&sig=YmJ4EfUItLnIz9TS2uz6WkUDgUA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2S4mUKrMBobNrQeFy4HQAw&ved=0CEoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=stopping%20power%20minefield%20tank%20track%20width&f=false

    There would be some kind of trade off involved , most latest western tank have ground pressure around 0.9 or 1 plus.


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    Post  Austin on Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:34 am

    Seems like its coming to unravel IA is planning to buy 354 new T-90MS

    http://ajaishukla.blogspot.in/2012/11/army-scuttles-arjun-trials-to-push.html
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    Post  TR1 on Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:49 am

    Awesome news if true.
    Good way for India to get some new Russian APFSDS rounds as well.


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    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:39 am

    Nice to hear the T-90SM will get some export orders... this should make it more attractive on the export market and domestically as it should reduce the price...


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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:43 am

    Interesting....but we should wait for confirmation I guess. Although they make it sound like the decision has been taken.

    I can hear Bharat-Rakshak crying in the distance.

    I haven't visited there for a while but I can just imagine

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    Post  Mindstorm on Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:11 pm


    Seems like its coming to unravel IA is planning to buy 354 new T-90MS

    http://ajaishukla.blogspot.in/2012/11/army-scuttles-arjun-trials-to-push.html



    Oh, what pleasure. what we have here ?
    Our dear ex Col. Ajai Shukla who return the the attack of the hated T-90S (and of the "inept and corrupt" Indian Army's Gotha) with its ,at best ,imaginative thesis Laughing


    We are still all anxiously hanging on ,since more than two years and half, the names of any Indian Army's official confirming a single word of its reconstruction of the comparative trial of Arjun and T-90S of Febraury 2010.

    Above all because that will allow our Ajai to render aware of the facts....the same DRDO chief V.K. Saraswat Laughing Laughing Laughing

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article110458.ece


    Moreover DRDO could adjourn the news of its own journal and finally announce that its product had offered better in-field performances in respect to the imported T-90S; but you know to claim OFFICIALLY a similar thing on your product the fact must happen and this is not a secondary detail ... Very Happy


    Naturally,in the meantime, our Ajai would have perhaps managed to find a way to distinguish a T-90 from a T-72 (a MBT on which it has supposedly operated !!!).
    Brief advice for the really knowledgeable persons in MBT field : do NOT read the elementary school allegations produced by our Shukla in this "article", it can be very harmful for your cardiovascular health.

    http://ajaishukla.blogspot.it/2008/08/more-pictures-from-georgia-of-t-72-and.html


    Its great luck is that Uralvagonzavod don't care, or maybe to even know, of its microscopic niche of lobbying against Russian products(in particular Uralvagonzavod's T-90S) in favour of American-built ones also also because up to this time, it has failed in its work
    The other reason is that even the mere attention by part of Uralvagonzavod with an official response could offer to it that degree of "relevance" or "legitimation" that is negated to it by the same indifference of the same Indian Army representaives Wink



    Is my firm convinction that must exist a sort of largely shared genetic heritage between this Colonel and another ,by now, infamous Colonel : the legendary Col. Fornof Laughing Laughing In facts both are : almost totally obvlious of any technical knowledge (the Su-30MKI with Tumansky engines and the MiG-21 Bison with Elta radar are true immortal pearls) an incredible creativity in reconstruction of the facts (Fornof's overturning of the Red Flag 2008 events are one of the most comical samples of clumsy intellectual dishonesty of whole history) and both are cited as a source Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes by a mountain of naive or scarcely informed secondary sources.

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    Post  Sujoy on Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:53 pm

    This Shukla guy is a nobody . He is in the payroll of US defense contractors . His posts lack credibility and are written only to please his masters.

    Mindstorm wrote:
    Naturally,in the meantime, our Ajai would have perhaps managed to find a way to distinguish a T-90 from a T-72 (a MBT on which it has supposedly operated !!!).

    You kidding me Mindstorm . FYI - He could NOT locate night fighting devices on the T 72. Razz

    Whenever a reader questions his ill found logic on his blog he vents out his frustration by either humiliating them or he simply does NOT responds . Why ... you ask ? Obviously he doesn't have an answer . Laughing


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    Post  Austin on Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:29 pm

    The only way to make Shukla happy is to import JSF that way he will stop accusing the Generals being corrupt ...surely he finds no flaws with JSF and is more that happy to propagate what LM has to say about it ....such a Hippocratic Jurno Laughing

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    Post  Austin on Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:30 pm

    New T-90MS video with English subtitles

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hzC4jSnRis

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    Post  Mindstorm on Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:24 am


    The only way to make Shukla happy is to import JSF


    Probably it aim to emulate ,in future, the luminous ,fulminating carreer of Trevor J. Thomas in Australia : from Editor-in-Chief of this magazine


    http://198.170.107.43/download/Features%20Articles/V25N9_Air7000A.pdf


    (Little note : if you ask to yourself if its friend and Features Editor, Abraham S Gubler, is the same guy you can unluckly cross on some forum , yes it is Rolling Eyes ,that by itself should provide several responses about the otherwise inexplicable degree of blind bias, to the limit of the self-rib, you can see in its positions about US products Wink )


    to its appointment ,by part of Lockheed Martin as the new Head of Asia-Pacific Communications department Suspect Suspect ......Laughing Laughing


    http://www.lockheedmartin.com/au/news/press-releases/2011-releases/0112-thomas.html

    Intelligenti pauca. Wink





    Returning to our Ajai Shukla , Austin has someone ever ,up to this point, asked to it to provide a single OFFICIAL declaration or OFFICIAL chronicle of the facts related to the 2010 "comparative trials" by part of DRDO (who should have ANY reason , getANY benefit and suffer NO drawbacks in revealing OFFICIALLY that its product had shown in the comparative trials far better performances in respect to T-90S) and confirming ITS VERSION Cool ?


    Do you know ,it is very ,very strange that the primary source providing this version of the facts is....JUST IT ,while any OFFICIAL source say simply that Arjun had (.....probably for the first time in its entire development's history) successfully passed all the trials.




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    Post  Austin on Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:52 am

    Every one who knows about this trial also knows neither Arjun or T-90 came out outstanding in this trials. Both had their pluses and minus to its credit.

    The main problem with Arjun is not that the tank is not good or it cant be made much better. The problem is Logistics which has to do with its weight and type of ammo ....Indian Army logistics revolve totally around 50 T tank which is of T-72 and T-90 and the entire transport logistics built around it over past 3 decades.

    Put in Arjun and we have a totally western tank which has ZERO Logistics Commonality with Indian tank be it T-72 or T-90 , the only common thing if ever between the two tank could be the Indian crew using it.

    India will have to spend multi billion dollar to just build logistics for Arjun and in some places like North East its not even possible due to poor over all logistics.

    Army is right in ordering more of T-90MS for North East though I doubt Arjun Mk2 would match the T-90MS as the latter is clearly very advanced comparable to the best western tank out there.

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    Post  Mindstorm on Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:24 pm

    The main problem with Arjun is not that the tank is not good or it cant be made much better. The problem is Logistics which has to do with its weight and type of ammo.



    Anyone wanting to talk seriously of tank's warfare in a major conventional war against a peer/near peer enemy and of the best compromises to include in its design, will ALWAYS develop an argumentation gravitating around volumetric and weight factors.

    One more time Gulf War, a conflict characterized by a ridiculous imbalance of forces and a embarassing ineptitude by part of Iraqi operatives, has been a sort of curse for quality and objectivity in military analysis science, because it has contributed to sell (with the great aid of guided media) as correct or even "winning" some system's design or concepts of operation totally disadvantageous under a strict technical or even physical point of view.

    In the MBT department the engagements between NATO MBTs and Iraqi T-62 and monkey models of T-72s -employed moreover as entrenched ,redeployable artillery pieces or pillboxs Rolling Eyes - manned by some of the most incompetent crew ever and in an environment with total control by part of NATO have contributed to spread the idea that MBT's designs characterized by high internal volume and emormous weight is round or even advantageous Laughing Laughing
    In reality any MBT's designer, US and european included, has obviously as its first requirement the reduction at minimum of internal volume and of the weight of its product, the seminal idea behind western basis concept of MBT design was developed only after MBT 70/Kpz 70 program failure in the attempt to lower requirements to reduce development's risks.



    An high internal volume (resulting above others by the presence of a manual loader) in facts :

    1) Greatly reduce armoured mass to surface index (lowering so overall armour density of the tank in question)
    2) Render the MBT ,for the related increase of aspect target area and silhouette's projection, a much more easy target for enemy direct fire in the typical mobile engagements characterizing modern ground combined arms warfare (enemy MBTs included, independetly from theris FCS's sophistication -see my pasted post n. 555 of this thread on that- )
    3) Enormously reduce ,togheter with weight increase (of which it represent an strong catalysing factor), rate of strategic transportability by land/ship/air assets.
    4) Limit tactical mobility in costrained spaces, secondary mountain/hill roads, some off-road environments and peculiar morphological elements of battlefields .
    5) Increase fatally the weight of the vehicle.
    6) Increase drammatically acquisition and life cost of the MBT


    The high weight, at its own time, generate:

    1) Higher engine power demand ,to mantain constant disposable power/weigh ratio. That obviously also increase fuel requirement both at idle and in march with the related increases in costs, lenght and vulnerability of its logistic tail.
    2) Increase of stess on suspensions and transmission ,theirs "wear and tear" rate and theirs related mantainment and reduce average off-road speed in terrains characterized by abrupt humps and holes (energy produced by 65-70 metric tons at gravity accelerations for some meters don't match well with integer suspensions...forget completely to procede at the speed you see in T-90's exibitions)
    3) Enormous difficulties in recollecting damaged or entraped tanks, requiring much bigger support vehicles ,at theirs own times requiring more fuel and crew
    4) Substantial reduction in strategic mobility and tactical mobility -see my previous post n. 708 and 719 on that- and freedom in movements off-road ....and sometimes also on roads !!!
    The dire consequences of that in a major war is the loss of one of the most important element for victory : Force Concentration Overmatch on enemy.

    By the way i want to clarify ,about the subject of tactical mobility, an important fact for remove one time for all a widely spread platitude : Ground Pressure DON'T equate and even less define capability of a MBT to move in difficult, soft or "brittle" terrains , in facts ground pressure's dilution obtained through track widening (reducing obviously power transference and lateral grip) manage to increase mobility only on homogeneous/uniform terrains and only when planar axis of the MBT is perpendicular to gravity's vector.
    Majority of soft or brittle pervious terrains ,in facts, have big patchs of surface areas standing on few denser and more solid deeper elements working effectively as theirs weight-bearing structures and so is for several man-made construtions (from a bridge to under-road crossbeams).
    To better clarify this concept i can recurr to this comparison : if your arm is strong enough to sustain at maximum 50 kg ,attempt to put 70 kg on a tray of 50x50 cm will not aid you in any way in sustaining the excessive weight ; in the same way a pylon sustaining a section of a bridge or a rocky formation sustaining a section of a mountainous passsage is capable to sustain at maximum 52 tons will collapse under 62 tons of weight in the same, exact way indipendently if this charge will be put on a single m2 or spread over the entire section laying upon it.

    Another element is obviously the degree of inclination of the plane, at the growing of which diminish exponentially the benefit of widened tracks (rather,at equal disposable power/weight ratio, them become even a big disadvantage for big tanks attempting to negotiate with high edges or abrupt slopes , here tangential gravity's component and position of barycenter become prevalents with effects almost always not plaesant for over 60 tons behemoths. Very Happy Very Happy





    From what said up to this time anyone can realize that Arjun's overall layout ,mutuated by western design, and foreseeing an high internal volume and less stringent weight constarints has been purposely selected to reduce development's risks for the first Indian domestic MBT development program (exactly in the same way this selection was useful at reduce engineerign risks in the West afetr the ambitious MBT-70's project's failure) ; it show a good FCS and a good vectronic department, but that has not relation with the value nd efficiency of tank's conceptual basis.

    The real technological leap will be attempted by India with its FMBT where most stringent volumetric and weight constraint (to achieve FAR SUPERIOR performances and efficiency in major wars ) will be added in the technical requirements.


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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  Austin on Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:50 am

    Excellent Post Mindstorm as always expected Very Happy

    IA is no fool not to understand tank warfare and the advantage of Medium/Heavy tank in their environment where they fight and the advantage of logistics which will play a critical role in sustaining tank warfare for longer time.

    Key reason why IA thinks upgrading T-72 and inducting T-90MS is a good idea over buying many more Arjun ...its a logistic game coupled with disadvantage of heavy tank as you have pointed out in ur post.

    Well Ajaishukla thinks IA will go ahead with Arjun variant as FMBT which i doubt seriously

    http://ajaishukla.blogspot.in/2012/11/army-proposes-to-scrap-future-main.html

    Funny he puts a fan boy picture of Armata there Shocked

    Any reason why Armata will end up being a 60 T tank and how will it affect Russian logistics built around T-90 types of tanks ?

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    Post  Mindstorm on Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:21 am



    Well Ajaishukla thinks IA will go ahead with Arjun variant as FMBT which i doubt seriously


    If that would be the case, it would mean that DRDO consider original requirements for FMBT too high and risky for its today capabilities and has, therefore, opted for an evolutionary path starting from a basis platform with less stringent volume and weight limits.
    Naturally ,in this instance, India would also accept a final product way inferior to what was planned in the initial FMBT program.

    Mine opinion is that India will never accept an Arjun's derivative as its FMBT ,at maximum DRDO will wait that some of the most critical technologies and expertises linked to a similar realization will be mastered before commit itself to the task of develop a true future domestic MBT design.


    Funny he puts a fan boy picture of Armata there


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