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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  kvs on Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:27 pm

    You can clearly see the rocket deform in the video. This deformation has nothing to do with "veering" and is a pure lense distortion.
    Just let it go.

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    I find shocking the level of incompetence of Russian Government in promoting their space program . You have here
    bran new next generation heavy rocket angara 5  being launched successfully and not a single video anywhere in
    any Russian media of major event. How can they expect to attract investors to Russia if they don't advertise
    their nation capabilities.

    So you have an interesting situation in Russia ..where not only the western media have done a good job , in brainwashing people that Russia innovate nothing and is only a gas station.. but also Russian  media incompetence
    in to properly promote any new technology  or machine they create.

    SImply Russia government is not very efficient in advertising its own industry. RT for example is highly view in the west.. but they do not take advantage of their media success in promoting either Tourism or foreign investments
    in Russia.

    And for a good reason...
    THERE WAS ALMOST A DISASTER AT TAKE-OFF.

    You can see the top of the missile veering to the right side,  but then correction from thrust vector engines kicked in and corrected so the launcher got straighten out. here is  the video from previous poster.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsQOpD4TIZM

    Obviously some of the engines didnt got to 100% power in time, the time from engine start to launch buildin arm swinging back is too short ,and launching in mid winter when it was very cold and snow adding weight to missile, plus with cross winds , just goes to show how crazy or confident russians were to get the launch done before 2015 , probably an order from the top brass!

    That veering to the right side is clearly a distortion effect of the fish-eye lens being used to film the launch.  You do
    not see any veering in the part of the video filmed without a distorted view.
    it depends on viewers angle, form 90degree view no side veering you wont notice it , but in paralel viewing camera you could see at 8-9 sec some tilting of the top of the rocket to right side. something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvNALouyQaI
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Rmf on Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:17 pm

    ok, it was within launch parameters ,payload entered Gso so success.
    then briz-m fired last time its fuel reserve ,and took itself and dummy payload still together, from busy geosynchronus -to higher graveyard orbit.
    here is a comparison to its competitor.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_IV_Heavy

    unfortunately no angara 7 ,which would overtake delta ,for next few years.
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    Post  Mike E on Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:01 am

    The A5 is already superior to the heavy Deltas, there really isn't a need for an A7 as of now. Now that the Angara project has proven (so far) successful, I think the RSA will put more time into other projects along with the Angara.
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    Post  Rmf on Sat Jan 03, 2015 4:56 pm

    delta is pure hydrogen /oxygen propulsion, angara uses kerosine as fuel in 1st and 2nd core stage, and briz in 3rd stage. it would need hydrogen /oxygen in 3rd stage to get more lifting power an that engine- kvtk is not ready in next few years.
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  kvs on Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:54 pm

    If you go to the wiki or elsewhere they do not bother to adjust for latitude of the launch site when listing rocket
    payload to different orbits. The Delta Heavy has more payload to GTO capacity but a lot of that is due to the
    fact it is being launched from Cape Canaveral while the Angara is launched from Plesetsk.

    The A5 can be modified to have the same nominal payload performance as the Delta Heavy by giving it a LOX/H2
    third stage.
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    Post  Rmf on Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:12 pm

    so where can it be looked up -the payload weight depending on different launch sites , plesetsk ,vostochni ,and equatorial - brazil- alcantara perhaps.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:38 pm

    Russia's Defense Ministry to receive 2nd heavy Angara rocket in late 2015
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    Post  Kyo on Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:53 pm

    Angara-A5 may replace Ukrainian Zenit in sea-launch project.

    http://itar-tass.com/en/non-political/771080.
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    Post  Rmf on Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:52 pm

    production issues are not settled so there will be logistics and production rate problems. many factoried are in european part or urals , only omsk factory is in western siberia.
    that makes vostochny very far away from manufacturing facilities.
    only 1 launch in 2015...meh No
    i think angara -1.1 will replace zenit and that would be best to destroy ukraine capability and revenue , plus pick up ukranian pro-russian engineers and staff and continue wtih 100% russian product + profit.

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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:57 am

    Rmf wrote:
    And for a good reason...
    THERE WAS ALMOST A DISASTER AT TAKE-OFF.

    You can see the top of the missile veering to the right side,  but then correction from thrust vector engines kicked in and corrected so the launcher got straighten out. here is  the video from previous poster.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsQOpD4TIZM


    I can see what you mean.. the light deviation to the right of the head.. but it can be an effect of the lens of the camera.. Because if you look at the tower ,the steel structure that hold firm the rocket.. it also appears to be not aligned too.. and this is before the rocket is launched.. but no idea really .. could be a problem that happened or could be a camera lens effect what we saw.

    I actually notice the launch pad incredibly close to the rocket.. that tower so close to the rocket does not inspire me confidence.. could get stuck with the rocket.
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    Post  Rmf on Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:58 pm

    well i watched the launch on ultra high resolution 26 inch ips monitor so it shows allot of detail ,.... dunno
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:31 am

    Any rocket launch is a balancing act, so sideways movement of the nose, especially at launch is just as normal as the flapping of the horizontal stabiliser on an aircraft with FBW flight controls on landing or take off.

    It doesn't indicate a problem, it is just a natural settling of control.


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    Post  Rmf on Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:36 pm

    i dont think you can compare a space rocket to an airplane. but lets put this question to rest.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:57 am

    i dont think you can compare a space rocket to an airplane. but lets put this question to rest.

    They are very comparable... it is just that the tail surface of an aircraft is more visible than the tiny variations in thrust and thrust angles of the various rockets keeping a rocket vertical as it leaves its mounting.

    At lift off there is a critical period where the air is not flowing rapidly down the sides of a rocket, so balance is what keeps the nose pointing upwards... at launch the only think maintaining that balance once it is no longer supported on the launch pad is the directed thrust from the rocket motors.

    It is rapidly burning fuel which shifts the cg, so it is natural for there to be a bit of wobble at the start.


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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:22 pm

    Russian space agency to replace Ukraine’s Zenith launchers with new Angara rockets — media
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    Post  Rmf on Fri Feb 06, 2015 12:12 am

    as predicted... now a joint venture with brazil, who is having troubles going into space, would be great move.
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  George1 on Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:12 am

    Next launch of Angara heavy lift rocket planned for first half of 2016 — source
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    Post  Rmf on Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:46 pm

    so for the whole 2015 no angara launch .,like i said production is going to be problematic , even launch was problematic it seems.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:22 pm

    Rmf wrote:so for the whole 2015 no angara launch .,like i said production is going to be problematic , even launch was problematic it seems.

    Which part of the launch was problematic?
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:16 pm

    so for the whole 2015 no angara launch .,like i said production is going to be problematic , even launch was problematic it seems.

    You do realise the Angara is a family of launch vehicles and they are talking about 2016 for the next launch of the heavy weight model that takes payloads into geostationary orbits from Russian launch pads...

    There is no mention of launch or production problems in that article....


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    Post  TR1 on Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:43 pm

    Rmf wrote:so for the whole 2015 no angara launch .,like i said production is going to be problematic , even launch was problematic it seems.

    Thats not news, has to do with schedule conceived a while ago.

    And the launch was flawless by all reports.
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    Post  Rmf on Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:10 am

    1 angara launch was planned in 2015,
    but this year is full of rocket launches near 40 are planned, next year less- about 30 and simmilar 2017 , so in 2016 ,2017 there should be spare capacity left from factories and bureaus.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:00 pm

    Russia's Angara rocket program funding not to be cut despite economic crisis — source

    The Angara rocket family is a new generation of space launch vehicles based on a universal rocket module with oxygen-kerosene engines.

    MOSCOW, March 2. /TASS/. The financing of the program for the creation of the Angara family carrier rockets will be continued in full despite the country’s current economic hardships, a rocket and space industry source told TASS on Monday.

    "The country’s financial-economic hardships will not affect the Angara program in any way. There will be no budget cuts and no additional funding is required. The money is available," the source said.

    According to him, "it’s all about the industry resources."

    The Angara rocket family is a new generation of space launch vehicles based on a universal rocket module with oxygen-kerosene engines. The family load capacity ranges from 1.5 to 25 tons. The carrier rockets of the Angara family are intended to replace the Proton carrier rockets.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:10 pm

    Russian Space Agency plans to develop Angara rocket for Moon flights

    The Russian space agency will deliver super-heavy rocket manufacturing technologies by 2020



    MOSCOW, March 12. /TASS/. The Russian Space Agency has charged the Khrunichev research and production space center and the Energia rocket corporation with a developing a project of a new modification of the Angara carrier rocket to launch manned flights to Moon, Roscosmos said on Thursday.

    The scientific and technological council of the Russian space agency Roscosmos has made a decision to refrain from creating a fully operational super-heavy rocket by 2020, but to focus efforts on research into ideas and prototypes of certain parts and components.
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 15, 2015 1:06 am

    Sounds like Angara-100 will get a chance at life.

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/angara100.html


    Energia was making similar plans:


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