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    MiG-31DZ ASAT

    Post  Austin on Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:06 am

    Seems like Mig-31 was tested in ASAT configuration with live firing at LEO targets but without detonating its warhead

    http://russianforces.org/blog/2013/01/another_old_anti-satellite_sys.shtml

    Development of the original aircraft-based ASAT system, known as Kontakt, was approved almost 30 years ago, in November 1984 (as a direct response to the U.S. system that was first tested in 1984). The ground-based component was supposed to include the radio-optical Krona (45Zh6) complex as well as a command complex. The interceptor was carried by a modified MiG-31D aircraft (MilitaryRussia.ru has good photos of the radar and the aircraft). A three-stage interceptor was designed to hit targets at altitudes of 120-600 km (and up to 1500 km after the second stage of the project was completed). The system was supposed to attack up to 24 satellites within a 36-hour period (documents also mention 20-40 satellites in 24 hours).
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    Re: MiG-31DZ ASAT

    Post  medo on Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:42 pm

    Is Mig-31D ASAT interceptor still alive?
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    MiG-31 ASAT

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:59 pm

    Is Mig-31D ASAT interceptor still alive?

    It likely never "died".

    It was likely just suspended for lack of funds.



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    MiG-31 ASAT

    Post  Hole on Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:44 pm

    Look what i found on russianplanes.net:


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    Re: MiG-31DZ ASAT

    Post  LMFS on Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:11 pm

    Sorry, what missile is that?
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    Re: MiG-31DZ ASAT

    Post  Hole on Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:45 pm

    Don´t know. Could be a revival of the old MiG-31D program with ASAT missile.


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    Re: MiG-31DZ ASAT

    Post  Isos on Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:56 pm

    The missile looks like an air launched subsonic Kalibr missile.
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    Re: MiG-31DZ ASAT

    Post  Stealthflanker on Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:00 pm

    Nice find there. That definitely not Kinzhal.
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    Re: MiG-31DZ ASAT

    Post  Isos on Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:05 pm

    Not a kinzhal, nor a kalibr at all.

    https://www.google.fr/amp/s/thaimilitaryandasianregion.wordpress.com/2017/03/01/mig-31bm-to-deploy-anti-satellite-missile/amp/

    Looks like an improved 79M6 anti satellite missike.
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    Re: MiG-31DZ ASAT

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:16 am

    Another pic of this config is on Jetphotos

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    Re: MiG-31DZ ASAT

    Post  hoom on Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:34 am

    Also BMPD https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3359540.html

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    Re: MiG-31DZ ASAT

    Post  Labrador on Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:37 am

    GarryB wrote:
    But still the old r-33 instead of r-37.

    This is not an operational aircraft on an operational mission... the R-77s and R-73/4s are not real missiles, so why would the belly missiles need to be R-37ms?

    For all we know they might have been testing the R-33s for experience in using long range missiles for training... cheaper to use them up than much more expensive active radar homing R-37Ms.

    It is the more big AAM ! what can be its price in $ ofc ?
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    Re: MiG-31DZ ASAT

    Post  Labrador on Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:39 am

    hoom wrote:Also BMPD

    Hummm MiG-31DZ with a new type of missile in ventral carry.

    It is obviously not a Kinzhal (dimensions and method of attachment do not match) and we note the removal of the under-winged hulls.


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    Re: MiG-31DZ ASAT

    Post  Hole on Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:40 am


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    Re: MiG-31DZ ASAT

    Post  George1 on Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:51 pm

    i like this subject of air-launched anti-satellite weapon, so i will put discussion of MiG-31 ASAT as a separate topic here Smile
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    Re: MiG-31DZ ASAT

    Post  Labrador on Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:14 pm

    For title topic i see MiG-31DZ by quibbling a little Very Happy
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    Re: MiG-31DZ ASAT

    Post  Isos on Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:41 pm

    I wonder if it has something else than an explosive warhead. Most armies think that destroying foreign satellites could then destroy their owns because the explosion destroys the satellites in thousands of pieces that became like APFSDS rounds traveling at huge speeds.



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    Re: MiG-31DZ ASAT

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:37 pm

    Isos wrote:I wonder if it has something else than an explosive warhead. Most armies think that destroying foreign satellites could then destroy their owns because the explosion destroys the satellites in thousands of pieces that became like APFSDS rounds traveling at huge speeds.

    I am sure it is some kind of fragmentation warhead. There isn't a satellite that is armoured enough to stop tungsten impacting at 50,000 km/h. They are very fragile contraptions.
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    Re: MiG-31DZ ASAT

    Post  Isos on Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:50 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Isos wrote:I wonder if it has something else than an explosive warhead. Most armies think that destroying foreign satellites could then destroy their owns because the explosion destroys the satellites in thousands of pieces that became like APFSDS rounds traveling at huge speeds.

    I am sure it is some kind of fragmentation warhead.  There isn't a satellite that is armoured enough to stop tungsten impacting at 50,000 km/h.  They are very fragile contraptions.

    I know and that's the problem. If you destroy a NATO satellite with this missile, you create thousands of smaller parts that will travel randomly and they may hit your own satellites. A 5cm long piece of plastic traveling at 50000km/h will destroy any satellite.

    That's why many armies look gor weapons that don't destroy the satellite but rather make it inoperative by destroying electronics or optics.


    Russia has EMP warehead for iskander. Maybe they could use them on this. Range is 400m for the pulse so they don't need to be as precise as for direct impact wareheads.
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    Re: MiG-31DZ ASAT

    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:00 am

    The pieces wont zip off in every direction destroying everything in their path... the fragments from the interceptor missile will be moving with that... which likely wont be moving at orbital speed so they will scatter, but also fall back down.

    Broken parts of the target will scatter but only horizontally... those that go up or down will come back...

    Very simply a object in orbit stays at its height because of its speed... if you break bits off and throw them up and down they will come back to where they came from unless they slowed down or sped up a bit because it is its speed that keeps it at that height.

    If you throw it forward and make it go faster it will climb to a higher orbit... if you throw it backwards and slow it down then it will drop to a lower orbit... if you throw it sideways it will change path. but if you throw it up or down without it slowing down or speeding up it will eventually come back to where you threw it from because that is where things going that speed will orbit at.

    BTW if you look above on this thread to the diagram I posted you will see this "new" missile in post number three... though it does not have the aerodynamic fairing shown on the model...

    The aircraft is not the old MiG-31D because it does not have the old endplates on the wing tips...
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    Re: MiG-31DZ ASAT

    Post  Hole on Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:55 am

    Good article with some info.

    https://russia-insider.com/en/russian-mig-31-what-looks-new-anti-satellite-missile-observed-near-moscow/ri24917



    Supposedly another carrier.
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    Re: MiG-31DZ ASAT

    Post  Giulio on Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:17 pm

    Could the new missile be some SLBM R-29 Vysota derivative like the Shtill, or a similar?
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    Re: MiG-31DZ ASAT

    Post  Hole on Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:10 pm

    Are you drunk? The R-29 is 14 metres Long and weights 35 tons!

    This missile is an ASAT and/or carrier for satellites.
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    Re: MiG-31DZ ASAT

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:59 am

    The missile is this:




    With the rear grid fins folded forward before launch.

    I don't read Russian but I suspect it can put a 120kg payload into a 600km altitude earth orbit and a 160kg payload into a 300km altitude earth orbit...

    And to be able to put these payloads into precise orbits you could also put them into counter orbits... that means if the target is an enemy satellite in a 600km altitude orbit then a 120kg bucket of nails in the exact opposite orbit would be all you needed... if you miss first time around then 45 minutes later it will cross paths again as the cloud of nails expands your chances of a hit and kill get bigger... travelling in opposite orbits the closing speed will be about 14km/s which means even a chip of paint would be devastating to most satellites, but even a single nail let alone a mass of nails would be terminal...

    In reality with 120kgs to play with you can probably get a hit the first time around...
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    Re: MiG-31DZ ASAT

    Post  Hole on Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:49 pm

    A payload of 120 kg would be enough to destroy even two or three satellites. Twisted Evil

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