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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:10 pm

    Angara heavy-lift rocket to be first launched Dec 25 as planned — source
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Kyo on Sun Dec 21, 2014 5:59 pm

    Angara A-5 Heavy lift Rocket. russia

    http://military-industry.ru/missilery/3728
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Rmf on Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:52 pm

    Старт ракеты-носителя «Ангара» запланирован примерно на 09:00 мск 23 декабря.
    the page says on 23 december , 11 am GMT welcome

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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:47 am



    I find shocking the level of incompetence of Russian Government in promoting their space program . You have here
    bran new next generation heavy rocket angara 5 being launched successfully and not a single video anywhere in
    any Russian media of major event. How can they expect to attract investors to Russia if they don't advertise
    their nation capabilities.

    So you have an interesting situation in Russia ..where not only the western media have done a good job , in brainwashing people that Russia innovate nothing and is only a gas station.. but also Russian media incompetence
    in to properly promote any new technology or machine they create.

    SImply Russia government is not very efficient in advertising its own industry. RT for example is highly view in the west.. but they do not take advantage of their media success in promoting either Tourism or foreign investments
    in Russia.
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Kyo on Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:04 pm

    Finally, a vid on the A5.

    http://www.1tv.ru/news/techno/274476.

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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:40 pm

    Kyo wrote:Finally, a vid on the A5.

    http://www.1tv.ru/news/techno/274476.

    2 videos here.. and had to be spanish RT to do it right the report..

    http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/161247-rusia-realiza-primera-prueba-angara



    [Angara guarantees geostationary orbit access to Russia from its territory — expert]

    http://itar-tass.com/en/non-political/768644

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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Mike E on Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:21 pm

    russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia russia

    The excitement!
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Kyo on Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:03 pm

    Euronews:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byae093d9R0
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Kyo on Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:07 am

    Some extra details on the relevance of today's successful launch of the A5 booster. russia

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20141223/1016162725.html
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  kvs on Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:31 am

    Kyo wrote:Euronews:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byae093d9R0

    And there is the usual youtube retard commenter hoping it falls on Putin's head. Clowns in the EU should worry about their
    own problems (like being Uncle Sam's butt monkey) before getting the hate on Russia.
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  kvs on Wed Dec 24, 2014 4:45 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lDydw8QaFU0

    Mounting on the launchpad.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:37 pm

    kvs wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lDydw8QaFU0

    Mounting on the launchpad.

    +1. Most high resolution imagery of the base of the vehicle that I have seen. As a result, it added more questions than answers regarding the core roll control. dunno
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Rmf on Sun Dec 28, 2014 2:03 pm

    Vann7 wrote:

    I find shocking the level of incompetence of Russian Government in promoting their space program . You have here
    bran new next generation heavy rocket angara 5  being launched successfully and not a single video anywhere in
    any Russian media of major event. How can they expect to attract investors to Russia if they don't advertise
    their nation capabilities.

    So you have an interesting situation in Russia ..where not only the western media have done a good job , in brainwashing people that Russia innovate nothing and is only a gas station.. but also Russian  media incompetence
    in to properly promote any new technology  or machine they create.

    SImply Russia government is not very efficient in advertising its own industry. RT for example is highly view in the west.. but they do not take advantage of their media success in promoting either Tourism or foreign investments
    in Russia.

    And for a good reason...
    THERE WAS ALMOST A DISASTER AT TAKE-OFF.

    You can see the top of the missile veering to the right side,  but then correction from thrust vector engines kicked in and corrected so the launcher got straighten out. here is the video from previous poster.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsQOpD4TIZM

    Obviously some of the engines didnt got to 100% power in time, the time from engine start to launch buildin arm swinging back is too short ,and launching in mid winter when it was very cold and snow adding weight to missile, plus with cross winds , just goes to show how crazy or confident russians were to get the launch done before 2015 , probably an order from the top brass!
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  TR1 on Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:03 pm

    I am not seeing this close disaster at all myself....
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    Post  mack8 on Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:25 pm

    And for a good reason...
    THERE WAS ALMOST A DISASTER AT TAKE-OFF.

    You can see the top of the missile veering to the right side, but then correction from thrust vector engines kicked in and corrected so the launcher got straighten out. here is the video from previous poster.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsQOpD4TIZM

    Obviously some of the engines didnt got to 100% power in time, the time from engine start to launch buildin arm swinging back is too short ,and launching in mid winter when it was very cold and snow adding weight to missile, plus with cross winds , just goes to show how crazy or confident russians were to get the launch done before 2015 , probably an order from the top brass!

    I too can't see anything like that to be honest. Imo it's just the camera view, image is slightly deformed isn't it?
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Dec 28, 2014 10:10 pm

    Can't see anything in that video of what you are speaking.
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:48 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:The roll control of the core stage of Angara-5, Angara-5P, Angara-7, ... is sure very interesting.

    Does everybody think what I am thinking of?

    Here's the best picture I have of the tail section of the Angara-1.2PP. Interesting.
    Roll control... Do you mean the "tails"? - Which are, AFAIK, only installed on the 1.2PP. 

    ?

    A little bit of elaboration on my previous post:

    - Angara-5 core has no roll control tail surfaces.
    - They say it uses thrusters for roll control.
    - I am not sure if I see two thrusters or four. Whether there are two thrusters or four thrusters, they are positioned asymmetrically. (Correction: I can't count any roll control nozzles on the core. I have a suspicion where they have to be.)
    - Ignoring hidden aspects of the design, the asymetrical positioning of roll thrusters is "wasteful".
    - If the Angara-5 core can use roll control thrusters for roll control, why did Angara-1.2PP and Naro-1 needed roll control tail surfaces. Is it just because of the fact that the Angara-5 core at separation is lighter and has a lower moment of inertia around the roll axis, having already burned some of its propellants, than Angara-1.2PP at launch with full tanks? What other reason can there be?
    - How about Angara-7? It's core surely would't fire before separation; so it would even be heavier and with a larger moment of inertia around the roll axis than Angara-1.2PP at launch.
    - Very interesting.

    Can someone find, possibly through Russian language sources, some answers to the questions that I raised in my previous post?

    Thanks.
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:36 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:The roll control of the core stage of Angara-5, Angara-5P, Angara-7, ... is sure very interesting.

    Does everybody think what I am thinking of?

    Here's the best picture I have of the tail section of the Angara-1.2PP. Interesting.
    Roll control... Do you mean the "tails"? - Which are, AFAIK, only installed on the 1.2PP. 

    ?

    A little bit of elaboration on my previous post:

    - Angara-5 core has no roll control tail surfaces.

    - They say it uses thrusters for roll control.

    - I am not sure if I see two thrusters or four. Whether there are two thrusters or four thrusters, they are positioned asymmetrically. (Correction: I can't count any roll control nozzles on the core. I have a suspicion where they have to be.)

    - Ignoring hidden aspects of the design, the asymetrical positioning of roll thrusters is "wasteful". (Vide supra.)

    - If the Angara-5 core can use roll control thrusters for roll control, why did Angara-1.2PP and Naro-1 needed roll control tail surfaces. Is it just because of the fact that the Angara-5 core at separation is lighter and has a lower moment of inertia around the roll axis, having already burned some of its propellants, than Angara-1.2PP at launch with full tanks? What other reason can there be?

    - How about Angara-7? It's core surely would't fire before separation (Correction: It probably would fire a split second before separation to obviate any need for any separate ullage handling mechanism.); so it would even be heavier and with a larger moment of inertia around the roll axis than Angara-1.2PP at launch.

    - Very interesting.

    Can someone find, possibly through Russian language sources, some answers to the questions that I raised in my previous post?

    Thanks.

    Anyone?


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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  kvs on Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:52 pm

    Rmf wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    I find shocking the level of incompetence of Russian Government in promoting their space program . You have here
    bran new next generation heavy rocket angara 5  being launched successfully and not a single video anywhere in
    any Russian media of major event. How can they expect to attract investors to Russia if they don't advertise
    their nation capabilities.

    So you have an interesting situation in Russia ..where not only the western media have done a good job , in brainwashing people that Russia innovate nothing and is only a gas station.. but also Russian  media incompetence
    in to properly promote any new technology  or machine they create.

    SImply Russia government is not very efficient in advertising its own industry. RT for example is highly view in the west.. but they do not take advantage of their media success in promoting either Tourism or foreign investments
    in Russia.

    And for a good reason...
    THERE WAS ALMOST A DISASTER AT TAKE-OFF.

    You can see the top of the missile veering to the right side,  but then correction from thrust vector engines kicked in and corrected so the launcher got straighten out. here is  the video from previous poster.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsQOpD4TIZM

    Obviously some of the engines didnt got to 100% power in time, the time from engine start to launch buildin arm swinging back is too short ,and launching in mid winter when it was very cold and snow adding weight to missile, plus with cross winds , just goes to show how crazy or confident russians were to get the launch done before 2015 , probably an order from the top brass!

    That veering to the right side is clearly a distortion effect of the fish-eye lens being used to film the launch. You do
    not see any veering in the part of the video filmed without a distorted view.
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  kvs on Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:54 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

    Anyone?

    I have no sources and I doubt they exist aside from blogger speculation.

    It looks to me like all the engines are used to control any roll. One of the pluses of having thrust vectoring ability (albeit limited).
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed Dec 31, 2014 12:49 am

    kvs wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Anyone?

    I have no sources and I doubt they exist aside from blogger speculation.

    It looks to me like all the engines are used to control any roll.   One of the pluses of having thrust vectoring ability (albeit limited).

    Before the separation of the strap-ons (blocks A, B, V, G), the strap-ons perform the roll control. The question relates to the phase after the separation of strap-ons.
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  kvs on Wed Dec 31, 2014 2:51 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Anyone?

    I have no sources and I doubt they exist aside from blogger speculation.

    It looks to me like all the engines are used to control any roll.   One of the pluses of having thrust vectoring ability (albeit limited).

    Before the separation of the strap-ons (blocks A, B, V, G), the strap-ons perform the roll control. The question relates to the phase after the separation of strap-ons.

    We do not see if the inner section deploys winglets so I would not rule that out.

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:09 am

    kvs wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Anyone?

    I have no sources and I doubt they exist aside from blogger speculation.

    It looks to me like all the engines are used to control any roll.   One of the pluses of having thrust vectoring ability (albeit limited).

    Before the separation of the strap-ons (blocks A, B, V, G), the strap-ons perform the roll control. The question relates to the phase after the separation of strap-ons.

    We do not see if the inner section deploys winglets so I would not rule that out.


    Thanks for your reply.

    Purely aerodynamic (?) or partially aerodynamic roll control can be feasible for the first stage of Angara-1.2, for example. However, the Angara-5's core is mostly a 2nd stage rocket block. I doubt that aerodynamic control would be useful regarding the Angara-5's core's flight profile.

    Additionally, Angara-1.2, etc. probably only use supplemental aerodynamic roll control during the early stages of their flight when, due to the larger moment of inertia of the launchers around the roll axis at the early stages of their flight, the Angara-1.2 type optimally small thrust-based roll control system is not sufficient. Under this scenario, the question still is where the roll control thrusters on Angara-1.2, etc. are.


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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Rmf on Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:14 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Rmf wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    I find shocking the level of incompetence of Russian Government in promoting their space program . You have here
    bran new next generation heavy rocket angara 5  being launched successfully and not a single video anywhere in
    any Russian media of major event. How can they expect to attract investors to Russia if they don't advertise
    their nation capabilities.

    So you have an interesting situation in Russia ..where not only the western media have done a good job , in brainwashing people that Russia innovate nothing and is only a gas station.. but also Russian  media incompetence
    in to properly promote any new technology  or machine they create.

    SImply Russia government is not very efficient in advertising its own industry. RT for example is highly view in the west.. but they do not take advantage of their media success in promoting either Tourism or foreign investments
    in Russia.

    And for a good reason...
    THERE WAS ALMOST A DISASTER AT TAKE-OFF.

    You can see the top of the missile veering to the right side,  but then correction from thrust vector engines kicked in and corrected so the launcher got straighten out. here is  the video from previous poster.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsQOpD4TIZM

    Obviously some of the engines didnt got to 100% power in time, the time from engine start to launch buildin arm swinging back is too short ,and launching in mid winter when it was very cold and snow adding weight to missile, plus with cross winds , just goes to show how crazy or confident russians were to get the launch done before 2015 , probably an order from the top brass!

    That veering to the right side is clearly a distortion effect of the fish-eye lens being used to film the launch.  You do
    not see any veering in the part of the video filmed without a distorted view.
    it depends on viewers angle, form 90degree view no side veering you wont notice it , but in paralel viewing camera you could see at 8-9 sec some tilting of the top of the rocket to right side. something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvNALouyQaI

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