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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:57 am

    i dont think you can compare a space rocket to an airplane. but lets put this question to rest.

    They are very comparable... it is just that the tail surface of an aircraft is more visible than the tiny variations in thrust and thrust angles of the various rockets keeping a rocket vertical as it leaves its mounting.

    At lift off there is a critical period where the air is not flowing rapidly down the sides of a rocket, so balance is what keeps the nose pointing upwards... at launch the only think maintaining that balance once it is no longer supported on the launch pad is the directed thrust from the rocket motors.

    It is rapidly burning fuel which shifts the cg, so it is natural for there to be a bit of wobble at the start.


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    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:22 pm

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    Post  Rmf on Fri Feb 06, 2015 12:12 am

    as predicted... now a joint venture with brazil, who is having troubles going into space, would be great move.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:12 am

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    Post  Rmf on Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:46 pm

    so for the whole 2015 no angara launch .,like i said production is going to be problematic , even launch was problematic it seems.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:22 pm

    Rmf wrote:so for the whole 2015 no angara launch .,like i said production is going to be problematic , even launch was problematic it seems.

    Which part of the launch was problematic?
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:16 pm

    so for the whole 2015 no angara launch .,like i said production is going to be problematic , even launch was problematic it seems.

    You do realise the Angara is a family of launch vehicles and they are talking about 2016 for the next launch of the heavy weight model that takes payloads into geostationary orbits from Russian launch pads...

    There is no mention of launch or production problems in that article....


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    Post  TR1 on Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:43 pm

    Rmf wrote:so for the whole 2015 no angara launch .,like i said production is going to be problematic , even launch was problematic it seems.

    Thats not news, has to do with schedule conceived a while ago.

    And the launch was flawless by all reports.
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    Post  Rmf on Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:10 am

    1 angara launch was planned in 2015,
    but this year is full of rocket launches near 40 are planned, next year less- about 30 and simmilar 2017 , so in 2016 ,2017 there should be spare capacity left from factories and bureaus.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:00 pm

    Russia's Angara rocket program funding not to be cut despite economic crisis — source

    The Angara rocket family is a new generation of space launch vehicles based on a universal rocket module with oxygen-kerosene engines.

    MOSCOW, March 2. /TASS/. The financing of the program for the creation of the Angara family carrier rockets will be continued in full despite the country’s current economic hardships, a rocket and space industry source told TASS on Monday.

    "The country’s financial-economic hardships will not affect the Angara program in any way. There will be no budget cuts and no additional funding is required. The money is available," the source said.

    According to him, "it’s all about the industry resources."

    The Angara rocket family is a new generation of space launch vehicles based on a universal rocket module with oxygen-kerosene engines. The family load capacity ranges from 1.5 to 25 tons. The carrier rockets of the Angara family are intended to replace the Proton carrier rockets.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:10 pm

    Russian Space Agency plans to develop Angara rocket for Moon flights

    The Russian space agency will deliver super-heavy rocket manufacturing technologies by 2020



    MOSCOW, March 12. /TASS/. The Russian Space Agency has charged the Khrunichev research and production space center and the Energia rocket corporation with a developing a project of a new modification of the Angara carrier rocket to launch manned flights to Moon, Roscosmos said on Thursday.

    The scientific and technological council of the Russian space agency Roscosmos has made a decision to refrain from creating a fully operational super-heavy rocket by 2020, but to focus efforts on research into ideas and prototypes of certain parts and components.
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 15, 2015 1:06 am

    Sounds like Angara-100 will get a chance at life.

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/angara100.html


    Energia was making similar plans:

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    Post  George1 on Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:18 am

    kvs wrote:Sounds like Angara-100 will get a chance at life.

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/angara100.html


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    Post  Rmf on Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:32 am

    probably angara a7 will be produced which was put on hold.
    with larger cenral core and 6 side URM boosters , with hydrogen 3rd stage it could do 45t to earth orbit , or 35t with hydrazine stage.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:28 pm

    Russia to Develop New Angara Rocket for Lunar Missions

    Russia’s new Angara-A5 carrier rocket could be modified for future flights to the Moon. This was announced by the Federal Space Agency Roscosmos on Thursday.

    “We recommend that the Khrunichev Space Center (manufacturer of the Angara-5) and the Energiya Space Corporation develop a draft design of the Angara-A5V carrier rocket for possible use with prospective space freighters and manned spacecraft in future flights to the Moon,” the Scientific and Technical Council of the Federal Space Agency said in a statement following a meeting with officials from space companies on development of prospective carrier rockets.

    “The Angara-A5V carrier rocket capable of placing 35 tons into orbit is the development of an existing family of the Russian Angara rockets. It can be used to optimize government expenditures during implementation of the ambitious projects in the foreseeable future,” Chairman of the Scientific and Technical Council Yury Koptev said.
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    Post  kvs on Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:52 pm

    George1 wrote:Russia to Develop New Angara Rocket for Lunar Missions

    Russia’s new Angara-A5 carrier rocket could be modified for future flights to the Moon. This was announced by the Federal Space Agency Roscosmos on Thursday.

    “We recommend that the Khrunichev Space Center (manufacturer of the Angara-5) and the Energiya Space Corporation develop a draft design of the Angara-A5V carrier rocket for possible use with prospective space freighters and manned spacecraft in future flights to the Moon,” the Scientific and Technical Council of the Federal Space Agency said in a statement following a meeting with officials from space companies on development of prospective carrier rockets.

    “The Angara-A5V carrier rocket capable of placing 35 tons into orbit is the development of an existing family of the Russian Angara rockets. It can be used to optimize government expenditures during implementation of the ambitious projects in the foreseeable future,” Chairman of the Scientific and Technical Council Yury Koptev said.

    So it will be a variant of the Angara-100. That is, it will have a larger set of core stages while recycling the standard modules for boosters.
    The target payload is 80 tons, as with the Energia designs. Your post above about the update time makes no sense.
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    Post  Rmf on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:53 am

    i dont think angara 100 (tonns) is planned , from what i see heavyest modules will be about 40-45tons to LEO angara a7 ,which is good too angara a7 got stopped recently. it will have larger core which is needed to strap on 6 side booster urm -s.
    heavy launchers are very expencive and not needed anymore, satelites are lighter ,and no special missions are done today.
    even energia on those pictures first 4 launchers are crewed capsule and about 80t payload to LEO.
    from what i see ther will be space stations in earth-moon orbits and there crewed 40 ton capsule-modules will be replenished on their voyages.
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:38 pm

    Rmf wrote:i dont think angara 100 (tonns) is planned , from what i see heavyest modules will be about 40-45tons to LEO angara a7 ,which is good too angara a7 got stopped recently. it will have larger core which is needed to strap on 6 side booster urm -s.
    heavy launchers are very expencive and not needed anymore, satelites are lighter ,and no special missions are done today.
    even energia on those pictures first 4 launchers are crewed capsule and about 80t payload to LEO.
    from what i see ther will be space stations in earth-moon orbits and there crewed 40 ton capsule-modules will be replenished on their voyages.

    I think you're right Rmf.  If Russia wants a lunar capability, the sensible approach (minimal technical risk, lowest cost) would be to leverage the Angara-5 development and build the Angara-7 with a Hyrdolox U/S.  The 2nd Angara pad at Vostochny could be designed to handle the larger A7 as well as regular Angara.  This vehicle could put ~40-45 Tonne into LEO, so 1-2 launches would be used for fuelled booster stages (the number depending on the lunar payload required) in addition to a single A5 for the crewed vehicle, with the stack assembled in orbit.

    A SHLV is a nice-to-have.  It expensive to develop, and except for the odd rare heavy payload like space station core modules, it doesn't get out to play too often.  An A7 however could be very useful for heavy military payloads and interplanetary probes for outer solar system (that require significant fuel to avoid overly-lengthy multi-year flights) and would be used far more regularly and therefore return on the investment.


    Edit: Just read the latest re A5V. Near A7 performance on a A5 footprint... detailed in Anatoly zaks site:

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/angara5v.html

    Zak unfortunately starts blathering about "the current anti-western hysteria in Russia"... I really don't know what to make of this guy. I like his site but he has a whiff of 5th columnist Atlantic-Integrationist Putin-basher about him...
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    Post  George1 on Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:30 pm

    Roscosmos: Angara-A5V launch vehicle may be upgraded to perform flights to the Moon
    Russian Aviaton » Thursday March 26, 2015 19:05 MSK

    Russian heavy launch vehicle Angara-A5V may be upgraded in order to perform flights to the Moon, said in the statement of Science and Technology Council of the Federal Space Agency (Roscosmos), RIA Novosti reports.

    “Recommend Khrunichev State Research and Production Space Center (manufactures Angara launch vehicles) in cooperation with RSC Energia (leading enterprise of the Russia’s rocket and space industry) to develop preliminary design of Angara-A5V launch vehicle with a capability of performing flights to the Moon and moon space with transport and manned spacecraft as well as other payloads. The documents must be submitted for consideration by an interdepartmental commission,” said in the statement of the Science and Technology Council.

    The council discussed technical proposals of the leading enterprises of the rocket and space industry related to development of advanced launch vehicles. The commonality of Angara launch vehicles family helps optimize the government expenditure in this area and provides opportunities for achieving all the important milestones in the near term,” Chairman of the Council Yuri Koptev said. According to him, Khrunichev Center will cooperate with other enterprises in order to “obtain the required results and decrease the concept-to-delivery time”.

    “Development of Angara-A5V launch vehicle assures keeping the Russia’s positions at the global market in this segment,” Koptev added.
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    Post  Rmf on Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:45 pm

    still angara a7 with 6 urm boosters and larger central core will have 30% better thrust at launch then a5 ,you just cant beat that with any modification to a5... and a7 still has room for growth too to about 50t.

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    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:41 pm

    Russia Abandons Plans to Build Super-Heavy Carrier Rocket From Scratch

    According to Federal Space Agency Roscosmos, Russia will not develop a super-heavy space launch vehicle in the near future, but will modify a heavy Angara-A5 rocket to lift super-heavy loads.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Russia will not develop a super-heavy space launch vehicle in the near future, but will modify a heavy Angara-A5 rocket to lift super-heavy loads, Federal Space Agency Roscosmos said Wednesday.

    "We have re-allocated funds for launch vehicles, especially in the super-heavy category, but ensured that all payloads planned until 2030 will be launched to orbit," Roscosmos head, igor Komarov told reporters.

    "We are planning to resolve this issue by developing Angara-5B [by adding extra booster stage], and I believe it is an optimal variant," Komarov said.

    According to previous reports, the decision to abandon plans to build a super-heavy launch vehicle from scratch allows Roscosmos to reduce the project's cost tenfold — to 60 billion rubles ($1.1 bln).

    Earlier this month, Komarov said that the first launch of the Angara super-heavy carrier rocket will take place in 2021.

    The Angara family of space launch vehicles has been in development since 1995. The new Angara rockets will increase Russia's independence in space exploration, according to Roscosmos.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150422/1021219271.html#ixzz3Y367Xxy6
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    Post  kvs on Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:19 am

    George1 wrote:Russia Abandons Plans to Build Super-Heavy Carrier Rocket From Scratch

    According to Federal Space Agency Roscosmos, Russia will not develop a super-heavy space launch vehicle in the near future, but will modify a heavy Angara-A5 rocket to lift super-heavy loads.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Russia will not develop a super-heavy space launch vehicle in the near future, but will modify a heavy Angara-A5 rocket to lift super-heavy loads, Federal Space Agency Roscosmos said Wednesday.

    "We have re-allocated funds for launch vehicles, especially in the super-heavy category, but ensured that all payloads planned until 2030 will be launched to orbit," Roscosmos head, igor Komarov told reporters.

    "We are planning to resolve this issue by developing Angara-5B [by adding extra booster stage], and I believe it is an optimal variant," Komarov said.

    According to previous reports, the decision to abandon plans to build a super-heavy launch vehicle from scratch allows Roscosmos to reduce the project's cost tenfold — to 60 billion rubles ($1.1 bln).

    Earlier this month, Komarov said that the first launch of the Angara super-heavy carrier rocket will take place in 2021.

    The Angara family of space launch vehicles has been in development since 1995. The new Angara rockets will increase Russia's independence in space exploration, according to Roscosmos.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150422/1021219271.html#ixzz3Y367Xxy6

    This article is nonsense.  The A5 has a payload capacity determined by its specifications.  You can't make it carry super heavy loads
    "with some modifications".    They can stack more stages on top, burning LOX-Hydrogen but that was envisioned by its design.

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/angara5v.html

    The payload is up to 37 tons, which is not the over 80 tons planned for the heavy lift rocket.    Either Russia needs a large payload rocket or
    it doesn't.  If it does, then it can afford $11 billion for the project.  It is not like it has to spend $11 billion every year for 20 years.   A simple
    elimination of natural gas subsidies to the EU maggots would cover this project without any effort and a lot more.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:34 pm

    When money is tight you cut excess costs... hopefully as Russia expands ties with non EU non NATO countries and trade increases their economy will improve as will the economies of their new trading partners and they will be able to restore some of those extra toys they were planning. the delay in development might lead to further improvements in technology and materials and make them even better than they were going to be...


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