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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:10 pm

    Russian Space Agency plans to develop Angara rocket for Moon flights

    The Russian space agency will deliver super-heavy rocket manufacturing technologies by 2020



    MOSCOW, March 12. /TASS/. The Russian Space Agency has charged the Khrunichev research and production space center and the Energia rocket corporation with a developing a project of a new modification of the Angara carrier rocket to launch manned flights to Moon, Roscosmos said on Thursday.

    The scientific and technological council of the Russian space agency Roscosmos has made a decision to refrain from creating a fully operational super-heavy rocket by 2020, but to focus efforts on research into ideas and prototypes of certain parts and components.

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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 15, 2015 1:06 am

    Sounds like Angara-100 will get a chance at life.

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/angara100.html


    Energia was making similar plans:


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    Post  George1 on Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:18 am

    kvs wrote:Sounds like Angara-100 will get a chance at life.

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/angara100.html


    last update: January 8, 2013...

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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Rmf on Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:32 am

    probably angara a7 will be produced which was put on hold.
    with larger cenral core and 6 side URM boosters , with hydrogen 3rd stage it could do 45t to earth orbit , or 35t with hydrazine stage.

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    Post  George1 on Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:28 pm

    Russia to Develop New Angara Rocket for Lunar Missions

    Russia’s new Angara-A5 carrier rocket could be modified for future flights to the Moon. This was announced by the Federal Space Agency Roscosmos on Thursday.

    “We recommend that the Khrunichev Space Center (manufacturer of the Angara-5) and the Energiya Space Corporation develop a draft design of the Angara-A5V carrier rocket for possible use with prospective space freighters and manned spacecraft in future flights to the Moon,” the Scientific and Technical Council of the Federal Space Agency said in a statement following a meeting with officials from space companies on development of prospective carrier rockets.

    “The Angara-A5V carrier rocket capable of placing 35 tons into orbit is the development of an existing family of the Russian Angara rockets. It can be used to optimize government expenditures during implementation of the ambitious projects in the foreseeable future,” Chairman of the Scientific and Technical Council Yury Koptev said.

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    Post  kvs on Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:52 pm

    George1 wrote:Russia to Develop New Angara Rocket for Lunar Missions

    Russia’s new Angara-A5 carrier rocket could be modified for future flights to the Moon. This was announced by the Federal Space Agency Roscosmos on Thursday.

    “We recommend that the Khrunichev Space Center (manufacturer of the Angara-5) and the Energiya Space Corporation develop a draft design of the Angara-A5V carrier rocket for possible use with prospective space freighters and manned spacecraft in future flights to the Moon,” the Scientific and Technical Council of the Federal Space Agency said in a statement following a meeting with officials from space companies on development of prospective carrier rockets.

    “The Angara-A5V carrier rocket capable of placing 35 tons into orbit is the development of an existing family of the Russian Angara rockets. It can be used to optimize government expenditures during implementation of the ambitious projects in the foreseeable future,” Chairman of the Scientific and Technical Council Yury Koptev said.

    So it will be a variant of the Angara-100. That is, it will have a larger set of core stages while recycling the standard modules for boosters.
    The target payload is 80 tons, as with the Energia designs. Your post above about the update time makes no sense.

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    Post  Rmf on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:53 am

    i dont think angara 100 (tonns) is planned , from what i see heavyest modules will be about 40-45tons to LEO angara a7 ,which is good too angara a7 got stopped recently. it will have larger core which is needed to strap on 6 side booster urm -s.
    heavy launchers are very expencive and not needed anymore, satelites are lighter ,and no special missions are done today.
    even energia on those pictures first 4 launchers are crewed capsule and about 80t payload to LEO.
    from what i see ther will be space stations in earth-moon orbits and there crewed 40 ton capsule-modules will be replenished on their voyages.

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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:38 pm

    Rmf wrote:i dont think angara 100 (tonns) is planned , from what i see heavyest modules will be about 40-45tons to LEO angara a7 ,which is good too angara a7 got stopped recently. it will have larger core which is needed to strap on 6 side booster urm -s.
    heavy launchers are very expencive and not needed anymore, satelites are lighter ,and no special missions are done today.
    even energia on those pictures first 4 launchers are crewed capsule and about 80t payload to LEO.
    from what i see ther will be space stations in earth-moon orbits and there crewed 40 ton capsule-modules will be replenished on their voyages.

    I think you're right Rmf.  If Russia wants a lunar capability, the sensible approach (minimal technical risk, lowest cost) would be to leverage the Angara-5 development and build the Angara-7 with a Hyrdolox U/S.  The 2nd Angara pad at Vostochny could be designed to handle the larger A7 as well as regular Angara.  This vehicle could put ~40-45 Tonne into LEO, so 1-2 launches would be used for fuelled booster stages (the number depending on the lunar payload required) in addition to a single A5 for the crewed vehicle, with the stack assembled in orbit.

    A SHLV is a nice-to-have.  It expensive to develop, and except for the odd rare heavy payload like space station core modules, it doesn't get out to play too often.  An A7 however could be very useful for heavy military payloads and interplanetary probes for outer solar system (that require significant fuel to avoid overly-lengthy multi-year flights) and would be used far more regularly and therefore return on the investment.


    Edit: Just read the latest re A5V. Near A7 performance on a A5 footprint... detailed in Anatoly zaks site:

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/angara5v.html

    Zak unfortunately starts blathering about "the current anti-western hysteria in Russia"... I really don't know what to make of this guy. I like his site but he has a whiff of 5th columnist Atlantic-Integrationist Putin-basher about him...

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    Post  George1 on Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:30 pm

    Roscosmos: Angara-A5V launch vehicle may be upgraded to perform flights to the Moon
    Russian Aviaton » Thursday March 26, 2015 19:05 MSK

    Russian heavy launch vehicle Angara-A5V may be upgraded in order to perform flights to the Moon, said in the statement of Science and Technology Council of the Federal Space Agency (Roscosmos), RIA Novosti reports.

    “Recommend Khrunichev State Research and Production Space Center (manufactures Angara launch vehicles) in cooperation with RSC Energia (leading enterprise of the Russia’s rocket and space industry) to develop preliminary design of Angara-A5V launch vehicle with a capability of performing flights to the Moon and moon space with transport and manned spacecraft as well as other payloads. The documents must be submitted for consideration by an interdepartmental commission,” said in the statement of the Science and Technology Council.

    The council discussed technical proposals of the leading enterprises of the rocket and space industry related to development of advanced launch vehicles. The commonality of Angara launch vehicles family helps optimize the government expenditure in this area and provides opportunities for achieving all the important milestones in the near term,” Chairman of the Council Yuri Koptev said. According to him, Khrunichev Center will cooperate with other enterprises in order to “obtain the required results and decrease the concept-to-delivery time”.

    “Development of Angara-A5V launch vehicle assures keeping the Russia’s positions at the global market in this segment,” Koptev added.

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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Rmf on Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:45 pm

    still angara a7 with 6 urm boosters and larger central core will have 30% better thrust at launch then a5 ,you just cant beat that with any modification to a5... and a7 still has room for growth too to about 50t.

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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:36 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:

    Zak unfortunately starts blathering about "the current anti-western hysteria in Russia"...  I really don't know what to make of this guy.  I like his site but he has a whiff of 5th columnist Atlantic-Integrationist Putin-basher about him...

    Finally someone notice that.. LOL
    You cannot expect much from people who are the first to abandon ship and move to USA as soon their country is in economic troubles in the 90s. instead of helping to rebuilding it..and was hired by Rusophobic scientific media like popular mechanics . They hate everything that taste to an independent Sovereign Russia. they report about Rockets and all that.. because they make money selling their books.. but they try to downplay a lot any contribution of Putin to Russia space program.. is as if he have nothing to do with that..

    Whenever anyone  speak in terms of "Russia regime".. you know already his background.
    i cannot remember any time on the history of Russia after Soviet Union ,that Putin did not played a key role in placing Russia in the world again and Space super power.

    The whole internet is full of 5th column Blind fanatics like ZAK ,Navalny ,pussy RIot or like some forum members everyone knows for their fanaticism ,that goes and preach about how "lovely and free" is life in the great USA and how "decadent is life " in Russia. "How corrupt is Russia" ,completely ignoring the western corruption.. lol .They will hate to admit that without Putin Russia will not be the super power is today and will be just a broken bankrupt nation without any space program at all..  US instead will have hired the Russian scientist in NASA and later claim all the credit for any technology.. about 1,000 Russian went to work at INTEL and it was a Russian the chief architech of Pentium Pro. Thats how you create a super technology power.. taking all world talent from abroad and later making it look they invented the wheel. Lets not forget how NASA developed its rockets .. a technology program entirely run by German scientist. But none of those things will matter for 5th column ,they will always sing how wonderful and more advanced is the west. pirat


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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:10 pm

    SAS (Систему Аварийного Спасения) The Emergency Rescue System for manned space rockets.

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:40 pm

    Vann7 wrote:Finally someone notice that.. LOL

    As in me already having had two posts about Zak?

    By the way, a person with any clue, in literally a few seconds, would find out that (1) Zak is clueless and (2) he is a "top" NGO. Other than his budget being higher, he is actually a carbon copy of Podvig.

    But have you noticed the "really funny" thing about him?

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:31 am

    Zak unfortunately starts blathering about "the current anti-western hysteria in Russia"... I really don't know what to make of this guy. I like his site but he has a whiff of 5th columnist Atlantic-Integrationist Putin-basher about him...

    Hardly surprising their might be a bit of anti western feeling in Russia with all these western sanctions and the leader of the US calling Russia a bigger threat to world peace than Ebola and ISIS... not to mention the economic sanctions and refusal to participate in the WWII celebrations in May.

    What are they supposed to think?


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    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:11 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Other than his budget being higher, he is actually a carbon copy of Podvig.

    But have you noticed the "really funny" thing about him?

    I have my oppinion, but interested in the funny thing Wink

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    Post  Big_Gazza on Fri May 01, 2015 1:47 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Zak unfortunately starts blathering about "the current anti-western hysteria in Russia"... I really don't know what to make of this guy. I like his site but he has a whiff of 5th columnist Atlantic-Integrationist Putin-basher about him...

    Hardly surprising their might be a bit of anti western feeling in Russia with all these western sanctions and the leader of the US calling Russia a bigger threat to world peace than Ebola and ISIS... not to mention the economic sanctions and refusal to participate in the WWII celebrations in May.

    What are they supposed to think?

    Except that A.Zak has been this way for years, so his attitudes are institutional rather than simply a temporary vexation caused by current events. His constant scathing criticism about the Vostochny cosmodrome is an example of this.

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    Post  TR1 on Fri May 01, 2015 1:48 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    Zak unfortunately starts blathering about "the current anti-western hysteria in Russia"... I really don't know what to make of this guy. I like his site but he has a whiff of 5th columnist Atlantic-Integrationist Putin-basher about him...

    Hardly surprising their might be a bit of anti western feeling in Russia with all these western sanctions and the leader of the US calling Russia a bigger threat to world peace than Ebola and ISIS... not to mention the economic sanctions and refusal to participate in the WWII celebrations in May.

    What are they supposed to think?

    Except that A.Zak has been this way for years, so his attitudes are institutional rather than simply a temporary vexation caused by current events.  His constant scathing criticism about the Vostochny cosmodrome is an example of this.

    Given the kind of money stolen @ Vostochny, criticizing the project is far from the worst of sins.

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    Post  flamming_python on Fri May 01, 2015 10:00 am

    Vostochny Cosmodrome - lol, that's one of the biggest corruption cases this decade. The workers there even held a mass hunger-strike, until they were finally noticed by the government (or did the government only notice because it suddenly appeared that everything was 2 years behind schedule) - because they weren't getting paid. That's the kind of greed that was involved there - even the workers weren't being paid to work.

    Wouldn't be surprised if substandard materials and so on have been used too. This could end up costing Russia not only years of time but more money too.

    Russia needs to reinstate the Gulag system especially for such cases.

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    Post  Big_Gazza on Fri May 01, 2015 11:17 am

    TR1 wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    Zak unfortunately starts blathering about "the current anti-western hysteria in Russia"... I really don't know what to make of this guy. I like his site but he has a whiff of 5th columnist Atlantic-Integrationist Putin-basher about him...

    Hardly surprising their might be a bit of anti western feeling in Russia with all these western sanctions and the leader of the US calling Russia a bigger threat to world peace than Ebola and ISIS... not to mention the economic sanctions and refusal to participate in the WWII celebrations in May.

    What are they supposed to think?

    Except that A.Zak has been this way for years, so his attitudes are institutional rather than simply a temporary vexation caused by current events.  His constant scathing criticism about the Vostochny cosmodrome is an example of this.

    Given the kind of money stolen @ Vostochny, criticizing the project is far from the worst of sins.

    The corruption seems to be due to shonky private construction companies however, rather than corrupt officials. Mr Zak doesn't allow that fact to get in the way of his anti-gov agenda....

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Fri May 01, 2015 11:51 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Other than his budget being higher, he is actually a carbon copy of Podvig.

    But have you noticed the "really funny" thing about him?

    I have my oppinion, but interested in the funny thing Wink

    I think the really funny thing is that you click on a link on his site, and then, before it takes you to the relevant page, it ask for a donation. Of course, as a well-funded NGO, he doesn't need the money; he is asking for the donations so that he can pretend that he is just an individual without any affiliations to higher-level NGOs.

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    Post  Austin on Sun May 03, 2015 7:13 pm

    Russia’s Angara 5 On Track To Replace Proton By 2025

    Russia expects to complete comprehensive tests of its new Angara heavy-lift rocket in 2021, when the vehicle is slated to enter service before replacing the venerable Russian Proton launcher in 2025.

    Khrunichev State Research and Production Space Center, the prime contractor for both Proton and the new Angara family of rockets, says the heavy-lift Angara 5 which debuted in December 2014 will be flight tested again in early 2016 with a real payload, rather than a mass simulator as reported in Russian media.

    “We are actively seeking a real customer for the actual payload,” said Andrey Kalinovskiy, general director of Khrunichev. “There are a few technical issues to be resolved, so once we get clearance from the specialists we’ll probably even name the customer.”

    The news follows Russian President Vladimir Putin’s approval in January of a massive overhaul of the nation’s space industry. The shakeup will establish the new United Rocket and Space Corp. (URSC), which will assume control of Russian space agency Roscosmos and consolidate the holdings of most of Russia’s state-owned space companies, including Khrunichev.

    In the meantime, International Launch Services (ILS), the Reston, Virginia-based company that manages commercial Proton missions for Khrunichev, is beginning to market the new Angara family of rockets that is designed to lift light, medium and heavy payloads to orbit. ILS is currently selling the single-core Angara 1 tested in July last year, a vehicle that can launch low Earth orbiting (LEO) missions from the Plesetsk Cosmodrome in northern Russia, ILS President Phil Slack says.

    “The only active site capable of launching Angara is Plesetsk, which is very near the Arctic Circle and not really conducive to launching payloads to geostationary transfer orbit (GTO),” he said during a briefing at the Satellite 2015 show in Washington, D.C. on March 17. “That being said, it can be done for payloads going to polar orbit, to LEO, so we are actively looking for single-core version customers for Angara 1 out of Plesetsk, where we can lift 3 metric tons to LEO. We can also potentially use the three-core version, the Angara 3, which has not yet flown, but which would offer 14 metric tons of capability to LEO, so you get to launch several satellites at once for constellations.”

    Slack said ILS will not market GTO missions atop the heavy-lift Angara 5 until a new launch site at Vostochny in the east of the country is complete. Russia tested the heavy-lift variant late last year, with the expectation that it will be capable of delivering 25 metric tons to LEO from Vostochny.

    “The Vostochny site is to be complete for Angara purposes in the 2021 time frame,” Slack said. “As soon as that’s developed and we have the capability to launch Angara 5 out of that, we’ll begin marketing that commercially also.”

    Slack said Khrunichev – the majority owner of ILS – does not plan to drop Proton in 2021, but will overlap service until 2025 as Angara is phased in.
    In the meantime, Russian officials say Moscow’s economic woes and the fall in the value of its currency is a mixed blessing for Khrunichev and ILS.

    “The overall economic environment in Russia and the impact on ILS and Khrunichev is impossible to deny,” Kalinovskiy said. “At the same time, it is nothing extraordinary. Management is fully aware of the immediate tasks and requirements to streamline and improve efficiency. And we are enjoying a certain degree of government support, to industry and the company specifically.”

    Slack said ILS and Khrunichev are using 500 million rubles ($8 million) in government funding allocated this year to increase Proton production efficiency and improve quality in an effort to lower the cost of producing the rocket, which has suffered a spate of mishaps in recent years.
    “Over the next couple of years there will be 37 billion rubles in new loans,” to be disbursed in 2015 and 2016 to help pay off existing debt and improve the Proton production line, he said, including a new focus on automation and less human involvement in manufacturing, inspection and test, as well as a reduction in the number of plants and facilities.
    “We’re moving toward more streamlined production where metal comes in one door and a rocket booster comes out the other door, and there is less movement around the factory,” he said.

    Slack said currency valuation is also having an impact.
    “Most of our contracts are designated in U.S. dollars, and most of our costs are in rubles,” he said. “So as the exchange rate goes up, there are more rubles provided for the overall price that we’re paid. But at the same time, when you have a wide change in the currency rate, that will also lead to a change in inflation, and wages will go up, so it’s not a one-for-one benefit. But in the near-term at least there is some benefit, and we’re using these benefits – both planned cost reductions as well as the situation with the foreign exchange rate – to offer more competitive prices to the marketplace.”

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    Post  Regular on Sat May 16, 2015 12:27 pm

    I hope it will replaced sooner. Proton crashed again. Well at least Falcon 9 was certified by NASA.

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    Post  Vann7 on Mon May 18, 2015 7:30 am

    Regular wrote:I hope it will replaced sooner. Proton crashed again. Well at least Falcon 9 was certified by NASA.


    yeah but falcon 9 was never under sabotage by any nation.. The is a lot of claims
    of criminal sabotage on the proton rocket.. and this claims do not come from internet
    but for the FSB and Roscosmos chief.. but later the Russian government change the cause
    of the investigation.. for politics.

    If indeed is true ,there is criminal sabotage on the Proton Rocket.. it will not matter regular
    how certified is anything.. or how well is designed .. as long criminal nations are allowed to get
    away with their attacks of Russia space program.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:57 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Regular wrote:I hope it will replaced sooner. Proton crashed again. Well at least Falcon 9 was certified by NASA.


    yeah but falcon 9 was never under sabotage by any nation.. The is a lot of claims
    of criminal sabotage on the proton rocket.. and this claims do not come from internet
    but for the FSB and Roscosmos chief..  but later the Russian government change the cause
    of the investigation.. for politics.  

    If indeed is true ,there is criminal sabotage on the Proton Rocket.. it will not matter regular
    how certified is anything.. or how well is designed .. as long criminal nations are allowed to get
    away with their attacks of Russia space program.  

    BTW can it be a true story about SW source codes for Protons ¨acquired¨in 90´s by US?

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:59 pm

    The Khrunichev Centre and Omsk region will develop the plant for "Angara"



    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150602/1067761286.html

    NOVOSIBIRSK, 2 Jun — RIA Novosti. The Governor of the Omsk region and the CEO of the Center Khrunichev Tuesday approved the "road map" joint action for the development of the Omsk production Association "Polyot" — base platform for future production of the carrier rocket "Angara", according to the regional authorities.
    During a working meeting in Omsk Governor Viktor Nazarov agreed with Andrew Kalinowski on the implementation of the action plan for socio-economic development of the production Association "Flight" for 2015-2020. A road map, which was approved Tuesday, includes activities related to training of professionals, development of production and social sphere, to attract staff," said the Governor.
    The CEO of the Center Khrunichev Kalinowski believes that the plant will solve the problem of building efficient production, which on the level of organization, productivity, quality of products will meet all modern requirements of global manufacturers. "We must be competitive in nature and does not depend on whether we have the imported parts or not," he said.
    According to the Director of the space holding in Omsk creates the best plant in the space industry, and approved Tuesday a plan of measures is a further stage of the joint work in creating a new production with the most modern technology and equipment.
    "And these are new demands on staff, which is significantly increased and the level of training, the qualifications are not only engineers, but also workers. We need fundamentally new training programs. Thus it is necessary to ensure not only the arrival of the experts, but also the consolidation of the company. For this and created a comprehensive program of activities", — said the representative of the Khrunichev Centre.
    It is noted that the structuring, timing and objectives of the training will be determined on Wednesday at the meeting in Omsk under the leadership of Dmitry Rogozin.


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