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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat May 26, 2018 2:04 am


    Oh really? Three times cheaper Angara? Now all of a sudden? For no apparent reason?

    So where was this ingenuity couple of years back? Interesting how back when they were only ones with access to udders of federal budget there was no efficiency increase in sight. They were even bitching about having to move production to Omsk.

    Fuck this, not a penny for these parasites​ until they cut the costs to at least five time cheaper and until they remove Proton from existence permanently.

    Swindle if there ever was one. Trampoline Man should be sending an audit team to Krunichev right fucking now to go over every last manager and employee with an anal probe.
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat May 26, 2018 2:34 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Oh really? Three times cheaper Angara? Now all of a sudden? For no apparent reason?

    So where was this ingenuity couple of years back? Interesting how back when they were only ones with access to udders of federal budget there was no efficiency increase in sight. They were even bitching about having to move production to Omsk.

    Fuck this, not a penny for these parasites​ until they cut the costs to at least five time cheaper and until they remove Proton from existence permanently.

    Swindle if there ever was one. Trampoline Man should be sending an audit team to Krunichev right fucking now to go over every last manager and employee with an anal probe.

    That is one of his tasks I presume. His was stating too many people in rocket industry Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Meh not 3 times less expensive but 3x labor intensity . Wait this means they dont need 30,000 people only 10 is OK? no wonder that salaries will go up then lol1 lol1 lol1
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:13 am

    The heavy "Angara" will put into orbit 600 satellites

    The spacecraft of the Russian global system "Sfera" will be launched on Angara carrier rocket

    600 satellites of the Russian global Sfera system are planned to be put into orbit with the help of the Angara-5 heavy carrier rocket. This is reported by TASS with reference to the first deputy general director of the state corporation Roskosmos Nikolay Sevastyanov.

    "The satellites are planned to be launched by clusters on a heavy missile" Angara-5 ", which has already been developed," Sevastyanov's agency said.

    According to him, the Sfera system will use small-size low-orbit satellites. Thanks to them, it is planned to provide in real time optical surveillance and mobile communication anywhere in the world. ■

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201806131246-hbzb.htm
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:29 am


    Medium Angara, not heavy. Heavy one doesn't exist. It was supposed to exist but Krunichev...
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:05 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Medium Angara, not heavy. Heavy one doesn't exist. It was supposed to exist but Krunichev...

    first deputy general director of the state corporation Roskosmos Nikolay Sevastyanov.

    "The satellites are planned to be launched by clusters on a heavy carrier rocket " Angara-5 ", which has already been developed," Sevastyanov's agency said.


    Angara 5W
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ангара-А5
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:13 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Medium Angara, not heavy. Heavy one doesn't exist. It was supposed to exist but Krunichev...

    Angara A5 is a 25T-class launcher. Its not a "medium".
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:08 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Medium Angara, not heavy. Heavy one doesn't exist. It was supposed to exist but Krunichev...

    Angara A5 is a 25T-class launcher.  Its not a "medium".


    The question is will it be Angara 5 (25T leo) ot Angara 5V (35-40T leo) ...


    Russia will test an unmanned superheavy rocket by 2022

    https://rg.ru/2018/06/07/rossiia-k-2022-godu-ispytaet-bespilotnuiu-sverhtiazheluiu-raketu.html

    Until 2022, Russia will undergo tests of a superheavy missile in an unmanned mode. In two years it should be used for space exploration. This was stated by President Vladimir Putin during the " Straight Line ".

    Photo: Mikhail Klimentyev / TASS
    Putin explained the reasons for the "endless accusations" of the West against Russia
    "By 2022, we must conduct the first test of a superheavy missile, this should be launches in an unmanned mode, and by 2024 already manned vehicles should be used," the head of state said. Vladimir Putin also stressed that Russia will continue to research in the space sphere.

    "It is no accident that we have spent quite a lot of money and resources to create a new cosmodrome in the east of our country, the Vostochny cosmodrome, and we will develop it precisely as a civilian component of our space activities," the president said.

    In addition, he noted that despite all the difficulties in relations with the US, Russian scientists work in close cooperation with their American counterparts.

    "We have new programs, for example" Sphere. "The quality of communication will be such that it can replace the cable connection, it will be a breakthrough and may lead to an absolute revolution in the communications sphere," Putin said.
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:48 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Medium Angara, not heavy. Heavy one doesn't exist. It was supposed to exist but Krunichev...

    Angara A5 is a 25T-class launcher.  Its not a "medium".


    The question is will it be Angara 5 (25T leo) ot Angara 5V (35-40T leo) ...

    A5V is not slated to go online until at least 2027. This is standard A5.

    I still have issues with calling this class heavy. We are getting into another destroyer/cruiser conundrum...



    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

    Russia will test an unmanned superheavy rocket by 2022

    https://rg.ru/2018/06/07/rossiia-k-2022-godu-ispytaet-bespilotnuiu-sverhtiazheluiu-raketu.html
    ......

    This one is Soyuz-5, you should repost it there as well.
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:47 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Medium Angara, not heavy. Heavy one doesn't exist. It was supposed to exist but Krunichev...

    Angara A5 is a 25T-class launcher.  Its not a "medium".

    With the advent of Falcon Heavy, Angara A5 is... meh.
    Even Delta IV Heavy is significantly more capable and it's been around for over 15 years.
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:07 am


    In this day and age I would go with following for LEO:

    Up to 20t = Light

    20-50t = Medium

    50-90t = Heavy

    90t and more = Super-heavy
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:42 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Medium Angara, not heavy. Heavy one doesn't exist. It was supposed to exist but Krunichev...

    Angara A5 is a 25T-class launcher.  Its not a "medium".

    With the advent of Falcon Heavy, Angara A5 is... meh.
    Even Delta IV Heavy is significantly more capable and it's been around for over 15 years.

    meh?...  

    Falcon Heavy... a Muskian vanity project without payloads...  Its one saving grace is that its not the New Glenn absurdity or even more fucking absurd BFR...
    Delta IV heavy is a fair launcher but averaging no more that one launch a year because its expensive as fuck... seriously, who builds a launcher with all hydrolox stages?  

    Angara has always been a 25T class replacement for hypergolic Proton, principally for the Russian military.  It will serve well in this capacity, and as well all know, most payloads (certainly all of those that actually pay for themselves in service) can be readily launched by such a booster.  If the Russians can leverage the basic design with upgraded engines, simplified (cheaper) fabrication and hydrolox U/S well then thats just a bonus.  Don't worry about price as once serial manufacture gets underway, price will drop.  Protons were once ~2.5x as pricey as they are now, and there is no reason to think A5 will be any different once R&D and tooling costs are recovered.  Finally, don't worry about delays in bring Omsk up to speed.  Russias heavy lift needs can be met with Proton until A5 can finally replace it.  There is zero reason to waste rubles by throwing at the A5 while Russia can still launch her birds.
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:42 pm

    The contract for the construction of the start for the "Angara" on the East will be signed in August

    The contract for the construction of the launching infrastructure for the Angara rocket at the Vostochny Space Center will be signed in the first days of August, the head of Roskosmos Dmitry Rogozin told reporters.

    Our colleagues who worked at Roskosmos, unfortunately, did not start the second stage of the Vostochny Spaceport when they had to start, I'm saying it so gently, although I can say differently. Nevertheless, the contract is ready, all meetings with detailed work were carried out on the starting complex, I believe that we will sign this contract in the first days of August, "Rogozin said.
    Previously, in the post of Deputy Prime Minister Rogozin was appointed responsible for the construction of the cosmodrome Vostochny. In 2014, Russian President Vladimir Putin appointed him head of the coordinating commission for the construction of the cosmodrome instead of the head of Roskosmos Oleg Ostapenko.

    https://ria.ru/space/20180717/1524758223.html
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:49 pm

    Center Khrunichev will return to the creation of the carrier rocket "Angara-A3"

    Khrunichev's center will return to the creation of a medium-sized carrier rocket Angara-A3, said Dmitry Rogozin, the head of Roskosmos

    Rogozin said earlier in an interview with RIA Novosti that the production of Proton carrier rockets will be stopped after all contractual obligations have been fulfilled, and after that only Angara will be produced.
    "The plant will fulfill all orders for Proton-M, and then go on to serial production of modern Angara in light, medium and heavy class," wrote the head of the state corporation.

    The Angara rocket family includes Angara-1.2 light carriers, Angara-A3 medium carriers, Angara-A5 heavy (with upgraded A5M and A5M upgraded, manned), as well as increased payload Angara-A5B ".

    Earlier it was reported that the middle-class "Angara-A3" missile would not be created.

    https://ria.ru/space/20180630/1523696997.html
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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:59 pm

    Interview with Board of Directors of the Khrunichev Center Nikolai Sevastyanov

    There a lot in here, but for me the interesting bits are as follows:

    the accumulated debt load of the State Committee on Credits and Loans is now 73.4 billion rubles

    Until 2021 on the Moscow site we plan to produce about 20 "Protons", 16 already have contracts. After the planned production of these missiles. All of them should be launched before 2024

    Our goal is to complete in Omsk by 2023 the production of a serial production of a closed cycle of universal missile modules for missiles Angara .In order to provide after 2024 from the cosmodromes of Plesetsk and Vostochny to eight launches per year Angara-A5 and two launches of light rocket Angara-1.2.  For this purpose, Omsk, in its turn, creates a closed cycle production, which will reduce the production cost of Angara by about 40%.

    Right on 40%?

    Yes. Because when one missile is manufactured, all overheads of production and amortization fall on its cost price. And when there is a series of eight missiles, then these costs will be distributed to the entire series, and, accordingly, the cost of production is significantly reduced. This, in turn, will allow us to infer "Angara" To the market. This, of course, is not a momentary matter: today our task is primarily to bring this space missile complex to the completion of flight tests at the Plesetsk space center. In 2019, the next launch of the heavy "Angara".

    Serial production results in much reduced costs.  But.. but... but Western MSM and Russian Atlantacists all say Angara is too expensive....

    How many heavy rockets Angara-A5 is firmly contracted?

    At present, in total, 12. But we must bear in mind that until 2027, to update the Russian orbital group will need about 27 launches Angara-A5.

    Hmm... so thats 20x Protons launched up until 2024 and 27x Angara-A5s until 2027 (about 3x of each type per year on average). It would be interesting to know how many of these 12x A-5s is to be launched from Plesetsk, ie for national security payloads?

    Do you think that it will be possible to quickly find commercial customers on the international market?

    I believe that this is really done by 2023, when "Angara"Will start from the cosmodrome Vostochny. "Roskosmos" with its enterprises has already begun work on the further modernization of the missile "Angara-A5 ", which consist in increasing the carrying capacity to the reference orbit to 27 tons of payload, and to the geostationary orbit - more than 4 tons. In addition, the "Angara", Which will be launched from the East, it is planned to use a fairing with a diameter of 5.2 m instead of a four-meter, as in the" Proton ". This is extremely important for the commercial market, because the satellites in their dimensions are growing. Taking into account the decrease in the cost of production by 40%, we will provide a fully competitive launch service on the international market.

    I interpret this to mean that Angara-A5M with upgraded engines and structural weight-savings will fly starting 2023, presumably from Vostochny.  

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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:51 am


    Center Khrunicheva signed contracts for the construction of 12 rockets "Angara"


    MOSCOW, August 27. / TASS /. The State Space Research and Production Center (Khrunichev State Research and Production Center) signed contracts for the construction of 12 heavy carrier rockets "Angara-A5". This was told by the chairman of the Board of Directors of the State Space Center Nikolai Sevastyanov in an interview with the newspaper Kommersant , published on Monday.






    "At present, 12 [contracts for the construction of Angara-A5 missiles] have been concretely concluded." But we must bear in mind that until 2027, about 27 launches of the Angara-A5 will be needed to update the Russian orbital group, "he said.


    After 2024, according to Sevastyanov, it is planned to launch eight Angara-A5 missiles and two Angara-1.2 light missiles a year. Producing a heavy "Angara", in addition to the construction site in Omsk, will be the Moscow Rocket and Space Plant in Fili. "The Moscow platform after the termination of the program" Proton "will receive production of at least two heavy Angara rockets a year," the head of the SCNPC said.

    "Angara" is a family of Russian launch vehicles of various classes, from light to heavy, which was created as a replacement for the Proton-M and Rokot missiles. The new family, unlike them, uses environmentally friendly fuel components. So far only two launches have been carried out, both from the Plesetsk cosmodrome: the light Angara-1.2PP started in July 2014; heavy "Angara-A5" - in December 2014 th.

    The next launch of the Angara-A5 is expected in 2019. Earlier, the head of Roskosmos Dmitry Rogozin said that the production of Proton-M carrier rockets would be completed in 2020 - 2021, the operation of these missiles would end in 2025.


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    Re: Next Generation Rocket Angara: News

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:57 pm

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/111349/

    Russia had replaced the Ukrainian components for "Angara"

    Well, this may be the reason why we really didn't get much from Angara for a while. Should have mentioned it before unless they (corporation) was rather embarrassed about it.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:15 pm

    A launch pad for the "Angara" will be built in the East by 2023



    MOSCOW, August 28. / TASS /. The construction of the launch pad for the Angara launch vehicle at the Vostochny Space Center should be completed by December 31, 2022. The amount, which will cost the work, will amount to almost 39 billion rubles, follows from the documentation posted on Tuesday on the portal of public procurement.

    Earlier it was reported that the first launch from the new launch pad is scheduled for 2021, and about 38 billion rubles are planned to be spent on the construction of the launch infrastructure for the Angara missiles.

    In the notice of the purchase from a single supplier, which was placed by the directorate of the spaceport Vostochny, it is noted that payment will be made by two transfers. In 2018, builders will receive about 6.4 billion rubles, and in 2021 - about 32.3 billion rubles.

    "Terms of delivery of goods or completion of work - until 31.12.2022", - says the documentation.

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    Well, this may be the reason why we really didn't get much from Angara for a while.  Should have mentioned it before unless they (corporation) was rather embarrassed about it.


    technically great news! though the sad part of the story is that Ukrainians and Russians are actually one nation. Where US propagandists achieved large success to teach part of Russians to hate Russians Sad
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    Post  Hole on Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:46 pm

    The truth is that max. 10% of the people west of Donbass hate Russians. But they are in power thanks to Obongo, Merkel and so on. If they are removed from power, they will run back into the shadows where they came from.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:04 pm

    Hole wrote:The truth is that max. 10% of the people west of Donbass hate Russians. But they are in power thanks to Obongo, Merkel and so on. If they are removed from power, they will run back into the shadows where they came from.

    I'm afraid not really, in Lvov region/Zaporozhe (SS Glizien) there are many nazi Bandera OUN supporters. 70 years West mainly US/Canada sheltered them, provided resources to poison minds of people. Many young Ukrainians are brain washed since 90s to hate Russia and are convinced that they are patriots fighting invader!!! I think more then 10% pehaps 30% but this is all about education and denzification of Ukraine after US has gone.

    Sweetest to me is Polish govt. How much double think they need to justify support for outwardly support for bandera regime (~120 thousans thousand ethnic Poles slaughtered in utmost cruel ways by OUN in 43-44 (even till 48 in some parts OUN was not dead yet) ) and same time talk about patriotism?!
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:00 am

    miketheterrible wrote:https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/111349/

    Russia had replaced the Ukrainian components for "Angara"

    Well, this may be the reason why we really didn't get much from Angara for a while.  Should have mentioned it before unless they (corporation) was rather embarrassed about it.


    In general Russian aerospace is (was) very dependent upon Ukro components and there was zero interest in changing it due to outdated ideas of "Brotherhood". An unintended and lasting effect of the US/EU regime change putsch will be loss of their chief market for Ukro MIC and a revitalisation of the Russian MIC as import-substitution gathers speed. Every shit-stained storm-cloud has a bright Ukro-free silver lining. russia
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:04 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:technically great news! though the sad part of the story is that Ukrainians and Russians are actually one nation. Where US propagandists achieved large success to teach part of Russians to hate Russians Sad

    That's what the Murican regime does... and they excel at it I'm afraid. Divide and conquer. Create tensions were none currently exist. Full spectrum dominance, kill anyone who resists. Show no mercy. The world will be a better place when the US undergoes its necessary regime change and responsible adults finally come to power.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:12 am

    Big_Gazza wrote: In general Russian aerospace is (was) very dependent upon Ukro components

    not Ukro - this was designed when there was withing one country. Like now Tex-ass factory would be outside US and delivered components to Seattle. In Different country
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    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:16 am

    Russian space firm to build 2nd Angara-5 heavy carrier rocket by April 2019

    An Angara-A5 heavy carrier rocket is expected to be built by April 2019




    MOSCOW, November 14. /TASS/. An Angara-A5 heavy carrier rocket is expected to be built by April 2019 for a second test launch from the Plesetsk Cosmodrome in north Russia and the Khrunichev Center (the rocket’s manufacturer) is currently testing its integral parts, the Khrunichev press office said on Wednesday.

    "The Khrunichev Center plans to ensure the readiness of the second flight copy of the Angara-A5 heavy carrier rocket by April 2019 for its dispatch from the enterprise to the cosmodrome," the press office said.

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    Construction of launch pad for Angara rocket begins at Vostochny spaceport

    Khrunichev Center Deputy CEO for Production Roman Khokhlov was quoted by the press office as saying that a decision on the rocket’s dispatch to the cosmodrome and the launch timeframe "will be made by Russia’s Defense Ministry following the results of the tests and the readiness of the Angara-A5 carrier rocket."

    The first launch of the Angara rocket took place in 2014 from the Plesetsk Cosmodrome. Roscosmos Head Dmitry Rogozin earlier said that the space agency was planning to start the flight tests of the Angara-A5V heavy carrier rocket with the increased lifting capacity and the hydrogen-powered stage at the Vostochny Cosmodrome in the Russian Far East in 2026.

    According to him, the operation of the second launch compound for light and heavy Angara rockets will begin at the Vostochny spaceport in 2023.

    As was reported earlier, the Khrunichev Center may start developing the conceptual design of the Angara-A5V heavy carrier rocket with the increased lifting capacity already in 2019 immediately after signing a contract with Roscosmos.

    The Angara rocket system is intended for launches of environmentally-friendly carrier rockets of various classes. The Angara family includes Angara-1.2 light rockets, Angara-A3 medium launchers and Angara-A5 heavy carriers (the Angara-A5M as their modification) and Angara-A5V rockets with the increased lifting capacity.


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