Russian population

miketheterrible wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

kvs wrote:Because the Finnish media knows more about Russia than Russians.   And because the foaming at the mouth anti-Russian Finnish media
would never, ever lie about Russia.

The only thing sketchy here is this troll and his pimping of Finnish propaganda.

The Finnish media claims that this information was released by Rosstat. Either the Finnish media is lying, or the Rosstat figures are misplaced or this is actually true. Which is it?

Did they provide the rosstat source?

Because they didn't lose 100,000 in 1 month.  That's impossible really.

Plus, they haven't done a census since 2010 so it's guesstimating and bs.

No, the Finnish media did not link the actual source but instead it claimed that according to Rosstat Russia lost 100,000 people in just one month.

Russia population shrinks by 113,000 in January: http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/9/405403/World/International/Russia-population-shrinks-by-,-in-January.aspx

Russia's population shrank by over 113,000 in January, official data showed Friday, more than double its rate of decline over the same month last year, as the country is battered by the pandemic. The Rosstat statistics agency released figures showing that in January Russia saw 219,769 deaths and 106,603 births, meaning its population shrunk by 113,116. wrote:

So this could be true. The 113,000 figure is a difference between births and deaths in January with 113,000 more deaths than births in that month. This figure doesn't include emigration and immigration but I guess with covid-19 those figures were pretty much zero.

This is not good. Russia cannot continue to have deaths outpacing births by more than 100,000 even annually, let alone monthly!

Karl Haushofer wrote:Russia population shrinks by 113,000 in January: http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/9/405403/World/International/Russia-population-shrinks-by-,-in-January.aspx



So this could be true. The 113,000 figure is a difference between births and deaths in January with 113,000 more deaths than births in that month. This figure doesn't include emigration and immigration but I guess with covid-19 those figures were pretty much zero.

This is not good. Russia cannot continue to have deaths outpacing births by more than 100,000 even annually, let alone monthly!

So this could be true.. but didn't provide the Rosstat link..

I saw a report from Rosstat just a few minutes ago stating that Russia had 200,000 births this February. But I wont provide the link. This could be true

kvs wrote:The "Finnish" troll with his Fibbish propaganda is deliberately mixing an annual contraction with a contraction in a single month.
According to him and his excrement source the Russian population is now contracting at 1.2 million per year.

Clearly the spooge fest is on.

Just check the history of Karl SchlongFluffer's posts, it's pretty obvious by now.

https://www.russiadefence.net/spa/Karl%20Haushofer

franco wrote:MOSCOW, April 6. /TASS/. The population of indigenous small peoples living in Russia has grown by over 20% in the past 30 years, Head of the Federal Agency for Nationalities Igor Barinov said on Tuesday.

"The general result of the state policy on indigenous small peoples is that their population has grown by more than 20% in the past 30 years," he said at the 2nd forum of indigenous small peoples of Russia’s North, Siberia and Far East.

Today there are 47 indigenous small peoples living in Russia. Their overall population stands at over 300,000 people. These peoples are mostly living in the North, Siberia and the Far East and enjoy a special status and preferences from the state, he said.

The 2nd forum of indigenous small peoples of Russia’s North, Siberia and Far East is running in Salekhard on April 4-8. The participants in the forum are discussing regions’ interaction within the framework of the activity of such organizations as the Northern Forum, the Arctic Council, the University of the Arctic and also the Association of Indigenous Small Peoples of the North, Siberia and the Far East. The forum is paying special attention to the issues of reindeer breeding in the North.

The first forum of indigenous small peoples of Russia’s North, Siberia and Far East took place in Salekhard in 2017.

NOTE: believe the small refers to the number of people as opposed to their physical stature Translators There are over a hundred indigenous peoples in Russia of which the Tatars would be the largest.  

They're referring to the Russian term; 'indigenous small-numbered peoples of the north'; which basically refers to any indigenous peoples of the Artic zone, Siberia or the Far East in Russia who number less than 50,000

It definitely doesn't include Tatars who number several million and live mostly on the Volga basin. Nor does it include Yakuts who are also a northern people but number half a million and have a perfectly self-sustaining culture and society.

The small-numbered indigenous peoples sometimes have their own autonomous regions as they're called, sometimes not, either way the law provisions for them separately and they're given economic preferences in certain areas as well as support for maintaining their culture and language out of federal funds.

flamming_python wrote:.....They're referring to the Russian term; 'indigenous small-numbered peoples of the north'; which basically refers to any indigenous peoples of the Artic zone, Siberia or the Far East in Russia who number less than 50,000...

Arctic Natives basically

I have been reading about this and their lives will be additionally made much easier once railway infrastructure up there is fully built because it will bring the prices in local stores on par with rest of the country

Right now a lot of it is delivered by air which makes stuff more expensive from the get go (it will also remove the need for part of federal subsidies that went into price management)

PapaDragon wrote:

flamming_python wrote:.....They're referring to the Russian term; 'indigenous small-numbered peoples of the north'; which basically refers to any indigenous peoples of the Artic zone, Siberia or the Far East in Russia who number less than 50,000...

Arctic Natives basically

I have been reading about this and their lives will be additionally made much easier once railway infrastructure up there is fully built because it will bring the prices in local stores on par with rest of the country

Right now a lot of it is delivered by air which makes stuff more expensive from the get go (it will also remove the need for part of federal subsidies that went into price management)

Not just them, but also some native peoples of the Far East and lower Siberia; for whom the situation is not so great frequently, some of them have a life expectancy in the range of the 50s, a couple even in the high 40s.

A lot of it is to do with alcohol dependency for which they're not adapted in the same way as Europeans, also the collapse of the Soviet-era social net and collective reindeer herding and farm systems (albeit they have been restored to some extent over the past years), dangerous and inhospitable climatic conditions in areas of scarce infrastructure, and also sometimes some stuff like coal mining nearby that affects health. And some of them were just fucked over in the Soviet era too.

But it's great to hear that at least they're not dying out as such, given time their life expectancy could reach the Russian average too.

According to Rosstat's estimation Russian population will fall to 134 million by 2030s.

https://vfn.su/articles/demografiya-v-rossii-2021-statistika-tendencii-prognozy.html?fbclid=IwAR0iXv6nPTnIxtNnAl9mqsKGiJm0TFmTMJhZXh-4VNpHXJHxrtba-60HKWs

No it won't that is obvious.

And you always show up to post fud.  Why not post the rostat instead?

Dumbass.  BTW, why come back? No one missed you

If it was to fall to 134M by 2030, it would have to lose 12M people in 8 years.

Russia doesn't lose nearly that amount since 90's.  

So please, get real news and not your retarded approved bs.

Keep saying

Invite several million Europeans, Americans to live in Russia, if necessary declare for them their own national districts within Siberian regions

Reinstate the Volga German autonomy, invite Russian Germans to immigrate and resettle their lost lands

Reboot the Jewish Autonomous Region, some good old socialist Zionist propaganda about building a new home there where you don't have to fight against the natives all the time.

Promote lands in the Stavropol, Krasnodar and Crimean regions to the Greeks, particularly Russian-speaking Greeks who emigrated during the 90s as well

And of course focus on your own own population first and foremost. Run censuses on which ethnic groups have which average lifespans, which are growing, which are decreasing, and get to the bottom of all of it so that lessons can be learned to apply to others and to institute corrective measures

Promote the de-urbanization trend to get Russians to move back into the countryside, invest into remote working and digital technologies.
Subsidize developers for the construction of more 3 and 4 room apartments in the cities

And all this shit
should have been done
a long, long, long, long, long, long, long time ago already

On the plus side at least we now have easy citizenship in the works for Russian-speakers in the ex-USSR (incl. Ukraine and such), as well as a fast-track to citizenship for foreign students who finished studies and wish to work in Russia. As well as child benefit measures, investment into kindergardens & schools, medical facilities.

I set up this webpage to facilitate people interested in moving to Russia. www.mynewlifeinrussia.com. So many people are interested, yet so few are willing to put the time and effort into it. Most are unwilling to even start down the path to learning the language. Simply lazy.

Karl Haushofer wrote:According to Rosstat's estimation Russian population will fall to 134 million by 2030s.

https://vfn.su/articles/demografiya-v-rossii-2021-statistika-tendencii-prognozy.html?fbclid=IwAR0iXv6nPTnIxtNnAl9mqsKGiJm0TFmTMJhZXh-4VNpHXJHxrtba-60HKWs

Sad. At this rate Russia will have less people than Japan within a couple of decades. And with Japan aggressively militarizing and threatening to invade Kurils I can see why Putin is worried enough to deploy Zircon missile to counter Japan's powerful navy.

ChineseTiger wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:According to Rosstat's estimation Russian population will fall to 134 million by 2030s.

https://vfn.su/articles/demografiya-v-rossii-2021-statistika-tendencii-prognozy.html?fbclid=IwAR0iXv6nPTnIxtNnAl9mqsKGiJm0TFmTMJhZXh-4VNpHXJHxrtba-60HKWs

Sad. At this rate Russia will have less people than Japan within a couple of decades. And with Japan aggressively militarizing and threatening to invade Kurils I can see why Putin is worried enough to deploy Zircon missile to counter Japan's powerful navy.

So you believe that Japan will risk it's own population being nuked into oblivion just because Russia may have a smaller population than Japan by 2030!? That is quite something!

You trolls are actually very funny

kvs wrote:This is the new NATzO propaganda ploy.

This estimate is from Rosstat, the official Russian government statistic service.

ChineseTiger wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:According to Rosstat's estimation Russian population will fall to 134 million by 2030s.

https://vfn.su/articles/demografiya-v-rossii-2021-statistika-tendencii-prognozy.html?fbclid=IwAR0iXv6nPTnIxtNnAl9mqsKGiJm0TFmTMJhZXh-4VNpHXJHxrtba-60HKWs

Sad. At this rate Russia will have less people than Japan within a couple of decades. And with Japan aggressively militarizing and threatening to invade Kurils I can see why Putin is worried enough to deploy Zircon missile to counter Japan's powerful navy.

Russia won't have less people than Japan in 2030s since Japan's birth rate is even smaller than Russia's. Then again Japan doesn't need a big population as it is a small island where Russia should have at least 150 million people to keep the whole vast country populated.

flamming_python wrote:

Invite several million Europeans, Americans to live in Russia, if necessary declare for them their own national districts within Siberian regions

I don't see that many westerners moving to Russia until Russia can offer at least similar or better salaries than the Western countries.

The only source that Russia realistically can get more population from is the FSU countries. And frankly I don't want to see Russia get any more Uzbeks or Tajiks or Azeris that it currently has.

The only lasting solution for Russia's demographic challenges is to somehow get ethnic Russian women to have more babies. Right now there are very small number of women in childbearing age in Russia due to collapsed birth rate in the 1990s.  Those bigger age groups born in the 1980s are passing their fertile years and the younger age groups born in the 1990s and early 2000s are very small in comparison. Because of this there are smaller and smaller number of potential mothers in Russia each year.

And with these women in those small age groups having very few children themselves we are witnessing Russian demographics falling off the cliff. The population fell by more than 700,000 people last year alone. This year the decline could be even bigger. We are going back to 1990s.

I would like to add that the Russian women in those small groups born in the 1990s and early 2000s should have 2-3 children in average to compensate the demographic collapse in the 1990s to keep the Russian population from declining.  This is not going to happen unless something drastically changes in Russia. Currently the fertility rate in Russia is around 1,5.

Mir wrote:
You trolls are actually very funny

Sure they are, that is why I find amusing the fact that people even bother to discuss that shit with them
There is no point to discuss it, just take a big stick, and hit'em hard.
All EU has a negative birth rate, falling for years now. It is 1.5 births per woman at the moment, sliding.
US is not much better, with 1.6 or so, pumped up with Spanish speaking community.
Japan is functionally dying with 1.4 and declining. Yeah, they will take all the Kuriles any moment now as they are selling the houses for $1 a piece in communities that died to the last Jap.
Russia with its 1.57 is doing better than EU, plus it used to be 1.78 not so long time ago.
With all the social care projects that Russia is running retaining a surplus budget, I would be worried for them just at the end.
You stupid propagandist trolls live in a countries, where you need to work your ass hard to have anything, that an Russian citizen gets for his regular taxes.
That are actually lower than in all the EU, US, UK, AU etc.
An Russian citizen gives a **** about a kindergarden, because it is for free.
They give a **** about education, because it is for free.
No Russian student will pay a students loan, and be a slave till his late 30s, if lucky, becaue it is for free.
And imagine, you stupid bastards : if he will get ill, seriously, the whole medical system will work for him for free.
Yes! He gives a **** about his medical insurance small fonts markings, the insurance responsibility level, and all that shit.
He will be treated with best medical knowledge, untill he recovers or dies.
And he won't get any invoice for that, would not need to claim an personal bakcrupcy, or estabilish an reversed mortgage loan to pay off the heart attack treatment.
Yeah, yaeh, they are dying One can't be that stupid with no reason