Russian population

PapaDragon wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:Stalin put a stop to that nonsense...

AlfaT8 wrote:

Graph you posted yourself clearly proves that talin didn't do jack shit

In fact, the graph shows a surge in birthrates during the 1930s (must be the Holodomor "Holocaust", LOL) and a substantial
recovery after WWII to levels never seen after 1953. The graph also shows that WWII reset TFR to lower levels in Russia
and thus accelerated the decline. So the Nazis not only killed/murdered 27 million Soviet citizens, they also killed the TFR
on top of the lost births from the dead civilians. In other words a cubic negative impact on the from the war and urbanization.

kvs wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:Stalin put a stop to that nonsense...

AlfaT8 wrote:

Graph you posted yourself clearly proves that talin didn't do jack shit

In fact, the graph shows a surge in birthrates during the 1930s (must be the Holodomor "Holocaust", LOL) and a substantial
recovery after WWII to levels never seen after 1953.   The graph also shows that WWII reset TFR to lower levels in Russia
and thus accelerated the decline.   So the Nazis not only killed/murdered 27 million Soviet citizens, they also killed the TFR
on top of the lost births from the dead civilians.   In other words a cubic negative impact on the from the war and urbanization.

The mid 1930s is when Stalin placed his abortion ban, so that explains that.
The TFR was in decline anyway, the Nazi's simply accelerated things, to a very great degree.
A yes Urbanization again, i guess the continues decline after the war is about that, can't be Women, no it can never be Women, can it.

At the end of the day, Women aren't having the Babies, because the Soviets and Us today gave women access to education and Careers.
Pushing Men out of higher education and lowering wages by over-saturating the Labor market.
Throwing Welfare at the problem doesn't have any good track record of resolving this, quite the opposite.
And hoping for unicorns is a waste of time.
I can only hope that Russia figures these things out and not follow the West into the Gynocentric Highway to Hell, that the West paved.

After 1990 the number of Russian females in STEM type jobs has collapsed, reflecting their true aptitude and not state
generated hiring quotas. So Russia at least approached reality in this aspect. But pro-feminist policies have survived
the collapse of communism and we have the same "poor little mommy and her babies" BS in the legal system.

1) Alimony should be made illegal. No female "earns" any standard of living just by hooking up with a man. It is
a total non sequitur and extortion of the man's money.

2) Child support is a scam also since the woman gets 100% custody just because she has the tits and vagina. There
is no evidence that mothers are special and this is demonstrated by all the pathologies of single-mother families.
So child custody should be 50/50 together with the child support burden. If one of the parents can't handle the child
support and is abusive to the children, then the other parent gets custody. The fact that such an obviously
optimal solution is not applied in the law tells you all you need to know about its Kafkaesque nature.

As for urbanization, you an pooh-pooh it all you want. But that is just your ignorance. Even if the women were
forced to have babies in urban environments, the economics of having children would still be negative. You like
to blame the problem on women but the reality is that the men do not want to have many children since they
are an immense financial burden. This is in total contrast to old-time agrarian environments where children
were economic assets.

RT wrote:‘High-quality migrants' wanted: Russian Deputy PM says pandemic has given Moscow time to rethink immigration policy
https://www.rt.com/russia/494583-moscow-rethinks-immigration-policy/

Ohh look, it's like clockwork, Russia a country with majority Women has a fertility problem (duh) and now we have fools recommending the "Immigration Solution", which will without a shadow of a doubt Destroy the Russian state in it's entirety, Muscovites are going to be a minority in their very capitol within 50yr or so.

And all this because Women no longer have to rely on Men, because they can just "Vote" for the State to take care of them, Women's empowerment right guys, y'all feel good about your high morals as those Morals lead to your very destruction.

https://www.pravdareport.com/news/russia/144950-russian_population/

A few decades before that, Ukraine, Belarus & N. Kazakhstan will add ~40-50M as they'll become 1 Federation or Commonwealth.

Tsavo Lion wrote:https://www.pravdareport.com/news/russia/144950-russian_population/

A ew decades before that, Ukraine, Belarus & N. Kazakhstan will add ~40-50M as they'll become 1 Federation or Commonwealth.

People are such morons.  We have all sorts of climate change deniers BSing everyone that "you can't forecast the weather in 2100".
Actually climate GCMs are used to produce ensembles of simulations which give a range of accessible climate states subject to
radiatively active gas burdens, albedo changes, etc.   So they are about determining the probability distribution functions of the
energetics of the ocean-atmosphere-land system which then constrains the potential weather states.   No climate GCM is used
to forecast future weather.

But when it comes to the population of Russia we have moronic garbage in garbage out estimates of its population dynamics
out to 2100.   It really is like trying to predict the weather in 2100.    All of the crop of Russian population models trotted out over
the last 20+ years have been dead wrong.   All of them, reflecting the opinions and agendas of their makers, grossly
overestimate the mortality and grossly underestimate the TFR.  

The mere invocation of Covid-19 as a factor for Russia's population in 2100 (and 2021 for that matter) is proof of the propaganda
nature of such studies.   Russia has one of the lowest Covid-19 mortality numbers, period.   This on top of the fact that Covid-19
attacks primarily the elderly.   Some TFR and Covid-19 link is only being pulled out of the ass when forecasting Russia's population.
I have not seen it invoked anywhere else.

Finnish media claims that the population of Russia decreased by more than 100,000 people in January of 2021 alone. If this pace continues the Russian population would decrease by more than 1,2 million this year. How is this possible??? Russia’s population was growing annually just two years ago.

Karl Haushofer wrote:Finnish media claims that the population of Russia decreased by more than 100,000 people in January of 2021 alone. If this pace continues the Russian population would decrease by more than 1,2 million this year. How is this possible??? Russia’s population was growing annually just two years ago.

This is the echo of the disastrous 1990s birthrate. Those missing girls would now be in their prime child bearing years.

calripson wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:Finnish media claims that the population of Russia decreased by more than 100,000 people in January of 2021 alone. If this pace continues the Russian population would decrease by more than 1,2 million this year. How is this possible??? Russia’s population was growing annually just two years ago.

This is the echo of the disastrous 1990s birthrate. Those missing girls would now be in their prime child bearing years.

Yes but as I said the Russian population was GROWING annually just two years ago. And now Russia lost 100,000 people in just ONE MONTH. Seems rather sketchy to me.

Because the Finnish media knows more about Russia than Russians. And because the foaming at the mouth anti-Russian Finnish media
would never, ever lie about Russia.

The only thing sketchy here is this troll and his pimping of Finnish propaganda.

kvs wrote:Because the Finnish media knows more about Russia than Russians.   And because the foaming at the mouth anti-Russian Finnish media
would never, ever lie about Russia.

The only thing sketchy here is this troll and his pimping of Finnish propaganda.

The Finnish media claims that this information was released by Rosstat. Either the Finnish media is lying, or the Rosstat figures are misplaced or this is actually true. Which is it?

Karl Haushofer wrote:

kvs wrote:Because the Finnish media knows more about Russia than Russians.   And because the foaming at the mouth anti-Russian Finnish media
would never, ever lie about Russia.

The only thing sketchy here is this troll and his pimping of Finnish propaganda.

The Finnish media claims that this information was released by Rosstat. Either the Finnish media is lying, or the Rosstat figures are misplaced or this is actually true. Which is it?

The Moscow Times is based in Fibland [/thread]

Karl Haushofer wrote:

kvs wrote:Because the Finnish media knows more about Russia than Russians.   And because the foaming at the mouth anti-Russian Finnish media
would never, ever lie about Russia.

The only thing sketchy here is this troll and his pimping of Finnish propaganda.

The Finnish media claims that this information was released by Rosstat. Either the Finnish media is lying, or the Rosstat figures are misplaced or this is actually true. Which is it?

Did they provide the rosstat source?

Because they didn't lose 100,000 in 1 month.  That's impossible really.

Plus, they haven't done a census since 2010 so it's guesstimating and bs.

PapaDragon wrote:
No Russia but interesting data nonetheless

Factor in immigrant fertility in countries like France and it is a different story.

The fake western propaganda machine, pulls fake numbers out their asses.

In Canada a news outlet said that 60% of Russians did not want the Sputnik V vaccine.



The population in Russia needs to increased and the government needs to take concrete actions to do that but they might have to wait until this pandemic is over.

And I pray ask, where did they pull those numbers from?

Of course Russians need to increase in numbers, but there are issues that need to be mentioned:

People Born in the 1990's are adults now to have children. This period in time was deviating and unless woman of that era now decide to have 8+ kids each, there really isn't much one can do about the numbers.

Best they can hope for is further aid in families who have more than 3 children like proposed and pushed. They are going after abortion clinics at least. Abortion, unless necessary for medical reasons, shouldn't be government funded or provided.

par far wrote:The fake western propaganda machine, pulls fake numbers out their asses.

In Canada a news outlet said that 60% of Russians did not want the Sputnik V vaccine.



The population in Russia needs to increased and the government needs to take concrete actions to do that but they might have to wait until this pandemic is over.

So did this Canadian clown outfit even bother to cite an opinion poll? Or was it some BS impromptu "poll" organized by
their news crew?

This is what happens after decades of blood libel and defamation. It becomes normal and acceptable to pull hate "facts"
from the ass. Because "everyone knows" that they "must be true".

miketheterrible wrote:And I pray ask, where did they pull those numbers from?

Of course Russians need to increase in numbers, but there are issues that need to be mentioned:

People Born in the 1990's are adults now to have children.  This period in time was deviating and unless woman of that era now decide to have 8+ kids each, there really isn't much one can do about the numbers.

Best they can hope for is further aid in families who have more than 3 children like proposed and pushed.  They are going after abortion clinics at least.  Abortion, unless necessary for medical reasons, shouldn't be government funded or provided.

The real story here is the western fantasy to see Russia go away. So they project BS like imploding population on it.
Most of the EU is undergoing indigenous population contractions worse than Russia. Russia's population is not going
to collapse in 30 years like predicted by all the BS forecasts we have seen over the last 30 years.

calripson wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
No Russia but interesting data nonetheless

Factor in immigrant fertility in countries like France and it is a different story.

The graph is lying about Latvia and Lithuania. Those countries have undergone mass emigration and population
contractions. There is no evidence of such large TFR changes.

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/latvia-population/

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/lithuania-population/

As previously mentioned, Russia has to deal with the donut hole effect of the 1990s. That being said, the government should offer more inducements for second and third child births only in regions with the lowest birthrates (based upon date of residency before the policy is enacted so people do not move to those regions just to collect extra money).

calripson wrote:As previously mentioned, Russia has to deal with the donut hole effect of the 1990s. That being said, the government should offer more inducements for second and third child births only in regions with the lowest birthrates (based upon date of residency before the policy is enacted so people do not move to those regions just to collect extra money).

Mostly the population loss of WW2 that is still haunting them, they have yet to recover from that and it will be decades before they do