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    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:55 am

    Austin wrote:
    Vladimir79 wrote:The Tu-204 line of aircraft is dead.

    Not yet

    Like I said... it is dead.

    UAC said that the release program aircraft "Tu", which are made in Ulyanovsk, will be closed.

    http://www.russiadefence.net/russian-air-force-f3/an-124-news-t962.htm#5811

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    Post  Austin on Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:59 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:Like I said... it is dead.

    UAC said that the release program aircraft "Tu", which are made in Ulyanovsk, will be closed.

    http://www.russiadefence.net/russian-air-force-f3/an-124-news-t962.htm#5811

    There are lot of contradictory news on this , So lets wait and see how things turn up.

    If Red Wings signs for this deal the Tu line will keep running
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:10 am

    I suspect the UAC is airing its dirty laundry to try to get political help... lets hope the right people are listen and act.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:22 am

    Which is why Russia should invest in engines and actually use the engines it has already developed that are very efficient engines already.

    Right now it an ideal time to reactivate the Il-106 program... an aircraft like that with those sorts of engines with an 80 ton payload would be in the C-17 class but much cheaper to buy and operate and it will make the requirements for more Ukrainian planes like the An-124 and An-70 less urgent.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:38 am

    Who will save the Russian civil aviation industry?

    Russian aviation industry will allocate a priority government program, has promised to Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov, who oversees the industry in the government. He admitted that the aircraft in Russia is in a critical condition.

    Depreciation of production assets is 80%, while buyers of Russian aircraft in 2009, a thousand times complained about the quality of the product, said Sergei Ivanov said at a conference on the quality of aeronautical engineering.

    It was about the military and civil aviation. But if the production of military aircraft Russia is not comparable to, and something superior to the West, in the civil aviation situation is not encouraging.

    Estimated editor-Aviasojuz "Elijah Weisberg, over 80% of traffic on the Russian trunk routes in 2009, served by foreign brands, Boeing and Airbus.

    "This trend is compounded every year, - says Weisberg. - A few years ago these figures were 50-60%. It is likely that for 2010 this figure will be, if not 90%, close to it."

    Literally, in September, the aerospace concern, Boeing and Russian Technologies have signed a contract to buy 50 aircraft Boeing-737 Next Generation worth almost four billion dollars. It is possible to purchase another 35 aircraft.

    The agreement was reached despite the fact that Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has repeatedly called on Russian airlines focus more on domestic appliances.

    However, some experts say that Russian airlines simply nothing to buy. Mid-range aircraft in Russia is practically not produced, as a promising short-haul aircraft Sukhoi Superjet will be available only at the end of the year.

    "Flying a vacuum cleaner"

    It is on the Sukhoi Superjet in Russia impose the task of raising the prestige of civil aviation. This is one of the most famous Russian aircraft development, which - on a plan of government - to press on the market from foreign competitors.

    However, the project has many enemies, including among aviation experts.

    Test pilot Alexander Akimenkov believes that Sukhoi Superjet is not adapted to the Russian reality: "He has a clearance, ie the distance from the engine to the ground, forty centimeters. It's a vacuum cleaner!" Which airfields in Russia are going to use this plane? "

    Nevertheless, Aeroflot has already ordered 30 such aircraft. True, the manufacturer - the company "Sukhoi" - has already warned that in time - by December 2010 - can supply only two devices out of ten. Yes, and those two need to be refined.

    Another was that the engine airliner with 114 kilograms heavier than planned. It also emerged that the plane was a two-thirds consists of imported components.

    With the disapproval of experts speak about the project cost Superjet. According to Alexander Akimenkova, it spent 4.5 billion dollars.

    "This is a replay backs technical culture of the West. The conversation should go about the breakthrough technologies of the future of our air, not of yesterday," - said the expert.

    The main advantage

    However, Elijah Weisberg in an interview with Russian Service BBC urged not to hang on the Sukhoi Superjet all dogs. He said that the delay in his appearance on the market is partly to blame for the subjective mistakes, but there is here and the objective circumstances.

    The project, he said, is rather unusual for Russia, but to go on untrodden path is always challenging. In addition, there are delays in the projects of Western manufacturers - Boeing -787, with Airbus-350.

    Russia has so far remained the main advantage - a clever young people, explains Leonid Sobolev, professor at the Moscow Aviation Institute.

    According to him, the new generation of students has focused on less money than in the 90's. And so often goes to work in Russian companies: "They have already arranged with the third or fourth year. Many students work and Sukhoi, and the Ilyushin.

    However, Sobolev recognizes that engineering centers, Boeing and Airbus in Moscow, too, is not empty.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News

    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:03 pm

    I did some basic write up on IL-96-300 Passnger Aircraft and IL-96-400 Cargo Aircraft on my blog ,suggestions/corrections welcome.

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    Post  Austin on Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:17 am

    First commercial Sukhoi Superjet 100 makes maiden flight

    First commercial Sukhoi Superjet 100 (SSJ100) SN 95007 designed for Armenian Armavia airlines made its maiden flight, Sukhoi Civil Aircraft company said.

    "During the flight, a crew carried out functional test of aircraft systems and equipment, engine, confirmed flight characteristics of the aircraft in an operational range," the company said adding that the aircraft is expected to arrive in Moscow soon, where in accordance with aviation regulations, its performance on typical routes will be tested.

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    Post  Austin on Fri Nov 05, 2010 7:30 pm

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    Post  Austin on Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:07 am

    Serial produced Superjet takes to Air

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    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:58 am

    This is interesting

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    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:29 am

    Finally some good news for Tu-204SM thumbsup

    http://www.aviaport.ru/news/2010/11/16/205773.html

    The question of closing the program, the Tu-204SM is no longer necessary - S. Dementiev

    The question of closing the program, the Tu-204SM no longer stands, told a reporter "AviaPort" CEO Aviastar-SP Sergei Dementiev.

    He clarified that the decision was made based on the results of the meeting held on Tuesday at the base of Aviastar-SP President, Chairman of the Board of the United Aircraft Corporation "Alexey Fyodorov.

    According to S. Dementieva, the first flying aircraft, tail number 150 will be transferred to the certification testing in December 2010. Now the company to a different degree of readiness in the company has five Tu-204SM, including three - in the final assembly.

    Meeting of the Program Tu-204SM passed last week as the KLA, and in the Ministry of Industry, with representatives of the corporation Irkut noted that the project Tu-204SM in the current status will have a negative profitability. To exit the program to break-even price for the purchased component parts (excluding materials), according to the KLA should be reduced to not less than 30%.

    The leasing company Ilyushin Finance Co. is in talks with Red Wings Airlines to supply 44 Tu-204SM. True, informally JAB noted that if the contract is signed, he will probably involve the delivery of fewer machines.Another deal to supply ten Tu-204SM and five more in options, with delivery starting in 2012, IFC worked through with the airline Atlant-Soyuz.

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    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:58 am

    Nice Interview

    President of Volga-Dnepr Alexey Isaikin the company's plans

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    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:04 am

    Can any one confirm the next version of Sukhoi Superjet , SSJ-130 will have all composite wings ?

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    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:21 am

    Kremlin set to buy Ukrainian jet for Medvedev

    "I have seen the new plane myself, I have been onboard," Kozhinov said. "It suits us because it is able land on any runways."

    This is especially important in Russia, where "you can count airports meeting international standards on the fingers of one hand," he said.

    Kozhinov dismissed speculation that the Russian leader was going to change over to foreign-made aircraft. The speculation arose after the Kremlin bought a French-made Falcon jet for Medvedev earlier this year.

    Here is some thing on the new An-158 A New Antonov - An-158

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    Post  Austin on Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:20 am

    Tu-204 still Poletayev-The state will continue to produce these aircraft

    The state will not stop the production program of aircraft Tu-204. In the Ministry of Industry expects a contract to supply 44 Tu-204SM airline Red Wings will be concluded before the end of the year.But the program needs state support to the final price of the aircraft arranged for the buyer. Analysts believe that another option the government does not: an alternative charge for Ulyanovsk Aviastar in the near future there is no prospect of a rolling program of Tu-204 has already led to social unrest in the city.

    Several sources of Kommersant at the aviation market was told that on 13 November in the Ministry of Industry held a meeting to discuss the program of issue of Tu-204 and Tu-204SM at Ulyanovsk Aviastar-SP (part of United Aircraft Corporation, KLA). This fall, the program was threatened with closure due to failure of "Airline Moscow" (formerly "Atlant-Soyuz") to purchase 15 aircraft due to their high cost and poor economy. In October, the head of the KLA Alexei Fyodorov said he did not rule out closing the program that sparked a wave of social protest in the city. In particular, 14 November rally, organized by the "Fair Russia".

    Tu-204SM - medium-range aircraft, more easy and economical modification of the Tu-204 first flight which took place in 1989. Total production for more than 50 Tu-204, Tu-204SM has not yet released. The idea of the program Tu-204SM appeared in 2006, its aim - to create an aircraft that would compete with the Boeing 737 and A320. Flight range Tu-204SM - about 4 thousand miles, in a 2-classroom layout 174 seats.

    As told Kommersant source in the Ministry of Industry, after the meeting, chaired by the Deputy Minister Denis Manturova, it was decided to continue the program of issue of Tu-204SM (there are five for fuselages of planes, the prototypes did not fly). The working group under the Ministry shall, within three weeks to work out measures to reduce the cost of the aircraft and determine the amount of necessary government support. Additional funding is not planned, but it is possible reallocation of funds set forth in the Federal Program" Development of civil aviation until 2015 "- said the source of Kommersant, adding that the funds can go to the authorized capital Aviastar.

    Also, the group should bring the aircraft to the stage of mass production and further sign firm contract for the supply.According to a source of Kommersant, in 2010, is expected to sign a contract to supply 44 aircraft to the airline's Red Wings.In the Ilyushin Finance Co announced that the company already gave the KLA a draft agreement to buy Tu-204SM for the Red Wings. Also, the aircraft will be delivered to aircraft for special purposes," - says Kommersant source in the Ministry of Industry.

    Thus, the state actually accepted the offer by the head of the National Reserve Corporation (NRC), Alexander Lebedev. In his letter to Vladimir Putin in September, he said that the Red Wings, controlled by the NSC, is ready to buy 44 Tu-204SM, provided that the price of one side does not exceed 700-750 million rubles. Another condition was the redemption of VEB-owned PRC 28.5% stake in IFC, but according to Mr. Lebedev, a condition he took off.

    "While we still called the price of one billion rubles for the aircraft - said to Kommersant, Alexander Lebedev .- But if we can not provide a lower price, we assume, for example, EBV guarantees us the cost of maintaining the airworthiness of these machines - if it will exceed the limits, compensates us EBV costs. In this case, Mr. Lebedev intends to insist on preferential treatment for the Red Wings in the case of a contract."We want to get a lower leasing rates that will fit into our profitability. We asked about this by Valery Okulov (Deputy Transport .-" b "), but he says that the preferences are not available" - said a businessman. He stressed that the contract will be awarded only if the State and the KLA fulfill all the conditions of Red Wings.

    If the state will provide a price reduction, then come back to buy 15 planes might "Airline Moscow. If the price is best, I'm ready to go on board and raise the issue" - handed over to Kommersant's CEO Eugene Bachurin. A source close to the carrier, said that the company can arrange the cost of the aircraft to the $ 30-35 million

    According to the head of analytical services agency "Airport" Oleg Panteleyev, the state and could not close the Tu-204. It would mean the loss of billions of rubles spent on the project. In addition, the plant would remain without downloading, for release of cargo aircraft IL-476 can begin only in 2011 - said the expert. According to him, the Tu-204SM with 210 seats has turned "niche" aircraft that can be effectively used on charter holiday routes and rolled directions. With this agrees the chairman of the Editorial Board, "Air Transport Observer" Alexei Komarov. But he believes that the prices can not be resolved correctly as long until the first plane and will not form a real production program. The first flight of Tu-204SM is scheduled for December.

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    Post  Austin on Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:36 am

    Interdepartmental group will be established under the program Tu-204SM

    MOSCOW, November 17. (АРМС-ТАСС). (Interagency Working Group (IWG) will be established to work out a plan to complete the creation, production, implementation of the Tu-204SM program and Tu-204 as a whole, including completion of work on obtaining the type certificate, optimizing costs, reducing the price of CRP (purchased components) and improve after-sales service and reduce the cost of continuing airworthiness. This decision was made at the interagency meeting, which was chaired by Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade Minister Denis Manturova.

    IWG headed by the Director of the Department of Aviation Industry Minpromtorga Yuri Slusar, it will include representatives of Industry and Trade, Ministry of Economic Development Ministry of Transport, as well as representatives from leading research institutions and aviation corporations.

    During the implementation of the plan working group will work to develop measures to reduce the cost of the aircraft and measures of state support for the project Tu-204SM as a whole, bringing the aircraft to the stage of mass production and further sign firm contract for the supply of aircraft.In the current year is expected to sign a contract to supply 44 aircraft to anchor customers, "Red Wings", in addition, the aircraft will be delivered for the needs of special-purpose aircraft. Working to promote the Tu-204SM will UAC, including JSC "IPC".

    In the event Slusar said that "one of the pillars of the working group will be adjusted measures of state development, manufacture and operation of new aircraft. In particular, we are talking about subsidizing the manufacturers, operators and equipment leasing companies.He also stressed that "the implementation of this plan will allow us to keep Russia in the competence of building medium-haul aircraft, to support the factories engaged in mass production of aircraft and components, as well as to support the highly skilled Russian industry until the release of such breakthrough products as MS-21" Sukhoi Superjet-100, wide-body long haul aircraft, and so on. "

    Previously it had been agreed with the manufacturers of aircraft engines, according to which the price of engines for the first time will be calculated as a percentage of the implementation.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:57 am

    Perm Motors Interview

    Today, Russian civil aviation lives in expectation of new aircraft. Superjet, MS-21, the modern versions "Tu" and "Il" - these liners should determine the future of domestic aviation. The success of the aircraft in the sky will largely depend on the technical and economic characteristics of the engines installed on its wing. That is why the domestic aircraft engine now given special attention.

    OAO Perm Engine Company "- one of the largest engine-building enterprises in the country - is involved in several large and ambitious projects of the Russian aircraft. About the future of the enterprise, as well as about the current state of affairs says managing director of OAO "Perm Engine Company" Michael Dicheskul.

    - Michael D., with some indicators of the company plans to finish this year?

    - According to the business plan for OAO "Perm Motor Factory" will be made 24 aviation engine PS-90A and 36 gas turbines. Compared with last year the volume of production will remain the same. However, in 2010 the plant began mass production of new products - aircraft engine PS-90A2, and gas turbines 25 MW.

    - You mentioned the engine PS-90A2. It is known that it's designed specifically for the Tu-204SM, the appropriateness of registration which is currently being discussed at government level. You, as the engine supplier, how do you evaluate this project?

    - We are actively working with manufacturers of the Tu-204SM. In July, OAO "Perm Motor Plant dispatched two engine PS-90A2 at Aviastar-SP to be installed on the first aircraft Tu-204SM. We are currently working on two more PS-90A2, which will also be put to the test. In 2011, we plan to produce between four and seven PS-90A2. The exact number of engines will depend on the contracts KLA.

    Now the main problem of the Tu-204SM - price. For its part, OJSC Perm Motors Plant have already identified the cost of an engine: it should be 11% of the price of the entire aircraft. We are currently negotiating with the KLA on the cost of flying hours. As far as I know, the negotiations on the harmonization of prices under way with other suppliers. We all need patience to go through this difficult stage and begin to produce Tu-204SM. The liner is competitive, with good performance - it needs to produce.

    - PS-90A2 - the latest modification of the PS-90A. What is the fate of other engine modifications that have been certified before? First of all, I mean the PS-90A1, PS-90A76.

    - These engines are in demand in the market. PS-90A1 is successfully exploited, such as IL-96-400T Airline Flight. Today the airline's fleet - three similar liner. The following year, the flight should get the fourth IL-96-400T. At the moment, the airline successfully exploits these planes and because of them, ranked fourth in Russia in terms of cargo and mail.

    PS-90A76 mounted on the IL-76 and their modifications. For example, a month ago, we shipped 4 engine PS-90A-76 for military transport aircraft Il-76MF-EI. This is the second aircraft under contract with the Air Force, Jordan. The first plane has already been built Tashkent Aircraft Production Association and is currently in flight developmental testing in Zhukovsky near Moscow. Anticipated that by mid-2011 after passing all the tests, both IL-76MF-EI will be transferred to the customer.

    For us is very interesting and a program to create the IL-476, which will also be installed PS-90A76. This ship, which will be produced at the plant Aviastar-SP "- a deep high-tech modernization of the Il-76. The main customer of Il-476 is a Russian Defense Ministry. Russian state armaments program for 2011-2020 provides for the procurement of defense department of over 50 such aircraft in two versions - the transporter and a tanker.

    In short, new projects in civil aviation there, but we, of course, very difficult to compete with foreign companies, because for the 90th years, we strongly behind them. And have to compete directly, because airlines are set to profit and take into account the imperfection of the domestic industry does not intend to.

    But still we have achieved a number of positions that we are not going to pass under any circumstances. Today, the world operated by the order of 80 planes with PS-90A engines. Actively on the wing are about 290 engines. Our task - to make sure that their operation was cost effective for airlines. Therefore, we are the only ones in our country had a system of payment per flight hour. In this form of calculating the airlines can clearly plan their hourly costs. Air carriers know that more than agreed to, they do not pay, whatever problems may arise with the engine. For them, this system is economically beneficial, understandable and transparent.

    - How is the second area of business - manufacture of gas turbines for industrial applications?

    - Quite successfully. We are stable in this market. Over the past 10 years in the market selling gas turbines for gas compressor units and our share - 36%, the business goal for the coming years - to increase it to 40%. The market share of small-scale power Perm STU is also significant - about 35%.

    Today the main customer of the Permian GTU - Gazprom. The plant is involved in major projects of Gazprom for the construction of the North European gas pipeline, gas pipelines Bovanenkovo-Ukhta-Torzhok, the Sakhalin-Khabarovsk-Vladivostok.

    Thus, the land of the North European Gas Pipeline includes 7 compressor stations, of which 4 are equipped with gas turbines Permian production. The gas main Bovanenkovo-Ukhta-Torzhok at this stage includes 16 compressor stations, of which 5 will be equipped with our facilities. In addition, OJSC Perm Motors Plant signed a contract to supply two sets of gas turbine compressor station for the head of the Sakhalin gas pipeline Sakhalin-Khabarovsk-Vladivostok.

    Most of the plants that we now deliver on OAO Gazprom, the large capacity - 16 and 25 MW.

    In the field of small power politics conducts an excellent marketing Aviadvigatel for which we produce low-power gas turbines. In late October, General Designer Aviadvigatel and CEO of OAO "LUKOIL - Western Siberia have signed a cooperation agreement. According to the document in the next 10 years on-site LUKoil - Western Siberia will be built power plants with total capacity of 144 MW.

    We are firmly established in the gas turbine market. Our products a good reference list so we can confidently offer it to the customer.

    - Michael D., recently in the media widely reported visit to Perm Motors Industry Minister Viktor Khristenko, who got acquainted with the work on creating a new DD-14 engine.

    - This visit took place on November 10. At that time, the design bureau Aviadvigatel, which is a leading developer of a new family of engines, and now manages all the work, began testing a gas generator-demonstrator. Discuss the progress of these works and was the main theme of the visit

    Feature of the PD-14 engine is that it creates a wide cooperation with enterprises of United Engine Corporation. JSC "PMZ" is defined as the head producer of the serial. During 2010 the JSC "PMZ" were working on making parts and components for gas-generator-engine demonstrator PD-14. Together with the PMZ in this work have been actively involved, and such companies as RBC UMPO "Federal State Unitary Enterprise" MMPP "Salut", JSC "NPP" Motor "and several others. Cooperation with companies developing: identify common goals and objectives, there are regular teleconferences, conducted a rigorous financial reporting.

    All participants in the project to create a family of engines based on a single gasifier understand that this government order that this family of engines - the future of the domestic civil aviation. We have many competitors and make your way among them, to bring to market a competitive, cost-effective product. Moreover, it should produce a large series, only then can the question of competition with world leaders in engine development.

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    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:01 pm

    So when they ask for 25 to 30 % reduction on SM price how do they go about achieving it ?

    Hope they dont compromise on safety aspect of SM just to lower the price.

    Why do they use American component on PS-90A2 , cant russians develop a ETOPS 180 standard PS-90 engine ?
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:54 pm

    Austin wrote:So when they ask for 25 to 30 % reduction on SM price how do they go about achieving it ?

    It says not less than 30%. Mass production would cut some cost, but that would require large domestic orders as well as export. Still wouldn't save 30%, if it takes that much just to break even, it is not worth building.

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    Post  Austin on Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:56 am

    I think SM will need a big military order , if they are making a good aircraft with 30 % lower cost why not buy it , the only problem I see for the military is the American component in PS-90A2 but they can always use PS-90A1 or replace it with PD-14 when its available.

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:31 am

    Possible rescue for Tu-204SM

    Alexander Lebedev, is ready to sign a contract to buy 44 Tu-204SM. Instead, he asks guarantees Vnesheconombank (VEB) and international travel itineraries for your carrier's Red Wings.

    President of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Alexei Fedorov, a couple of months ago, did not rule out that due to lack of contracts program Tu-204SM will collapse: the only customer - the airline's Moscow (former "Atlant-union") declined from 15 aircraft due to differences in price. But in a meeting with Deputy Minister of Industry and Commerce Dennis Manturova in November issue of closing the program, did not stand (it has already spent 5 billion rubles.): We discussed how to make it break even, a policy should be ready by early December, said the vice president of KLA- Alexander Tulyakov.

    Rescue the Tu-204SM suggested Lebedev. As it became known to Vedomosti, the leasing company Ilyushin Finance (IFC; blocking Lebedev) is ready to sign a contract for 44 ship for Red Wings - but under certain conditions.

    Importantly - price: 1,07 billion rubles. per aircraft (approximately $ 30 million, half the catalog, "Moscow" KLA offered them for $ 50 million), "guarantee the residual value of purchased aircraft [from the KLA], provided by VEB," said a draft agreement between the National Reserve Corporation (NRC), Lebedev , KLA and the IFC (a copy is in "Vedomosti"). In addition, the Tu-204SM should be clear to the price after a certain period: 10 years - $ 18.5 million (for 44 - $ 814 million), after 15 years - $ 9.5 million ($ 418 million).

    "What is the meaning of the guarantee? Suppose IFC, as the owner of the aircraft, decides to sell them. If the price is lower than specified, the KLA or EBV underpaid remainder either did redeem - explains a source close to the NRC. - For the Red Wings net book value is important too : it reduces by half the lease payments. "

    The draft speaks of the other interest: if the cost of maintaining the airworthiness of Tu-204SM exceed $ 1100 per flight hour (monthly flight time of 300 hours), then the amount in excess of the offset web or KLA. Lebedev also insists that the reliability of the flight of Tu-204SM amounted to 99,8% (from now operated by the Tu-204 - 97-98%), and the Red Wings received a priority "in the allocation of rights to fly on international tourist destinations by the Federal Air Transport Agency" . Purchase of aircraft does not affect the allocation of rights is a matter of international governmental agreements, said a representative of Federal Air Transport Agency.

    Lebedev considers reasonable conditions. Red Wings could operate Airbus 320 (they are owned by the Swiss company Lebedev), which is 40% more efficient than the Tu-204SM, he says, but it would jeopardize the whole program for IFC and Tu-204SM.

    Issue is being discussed now by produce win-win situations, a spokesman Dmitry Peskov premiere. These and other issues related to support for the domestic aircraft industry, are under discussion, the representative of VEB.

    Lebedev has a chance to bargain for all conditions - in fact to find another customer on the Tu-204SM hardly turn out, the analyst believes "airport" Oleg Panteleyev.

    Representatives of the KLA and the IFC declined comment.

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    So he wants them at Chinese prices, and if anything goes wrong KLA has to pay the difference. No way to break even at 30% loss off that. Especially not for a lease.




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    Post  Austin on Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:53 pm

    The Red Wings chief Lebed guy is a smart and shrewd business man , he know Tu-204SM can only come to life if his airlines goes for it and he is making the best by milking the Government to get the best aircraft at lowest cost so that his operating cost is low and profit goes up.

    Heck if Tu-204SM had got the Iran deal , Lebed ability to bargain would have gone down.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:36 pm

    The real challenge here is to get 204s the ability to break even on cost. If it costs us money to sell them, there is no point being in business. Lebed wants the Russian taxpayer to fund his airline. The only positive is we can produce some to reduce costs, but 44 is not enough to drop largely that 30% cost overun.

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    Post  Austin on Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:15 am

    IL-76 with all russian crew burst into flames after takeoff at Karachi , perhaps a terrorist attack ?

    Russian-made cargo plane crashes in Pakistan, 8 crew dead

    A Russian-made Il-76 cargo plane crashed early Sunday in a Karachi residential neighborhood, killing all eight crewmembers and destroying several buildings under construction, CNN reported.

    The plane burst in flames shortly after a takeoff from the Karachi International Airport heading for Khartoum, Sudan, CNN cited local authorities as saying.

    The Associated Press and Reuters later said that all eight crewmembers on board the plane were Russians,

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    Post  Austin on Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:19 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:The real challenge here is to get 204s the ability to break even on cost. If it costs us money to sell them, there is no point being in business. Lebed wants the Russian taxpayer to fund his airline. The only positive is we can produce some to reduce costs, but 44 is not enough to drop largely that 30% cost overun.

    Agreed and that is the reason I have been saying the military should buy the Tu-205SM with PS-90A1 engine for new ASW Tu-204P and refuller/ELINT/SIGINT role.

    Its a good aircraft but it seems to have lost the race to gain customers.

    All future civil aircraft like Superjet or MS-21 are either too small or they have significant western/us system in them making them unsuitable for military.

    Tu-204 has the payload.range and has mostly Russian systems making it a suitable platform for military roles.

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