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    Post  Austin on Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:53 pm

    Aeroflot after the fall

    A good series of video on Aeroflot soon after the fall of SU.

    Aeroflot after the fall


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    Post  Austin on Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:35 pm

    More Details have emerged on this project "Frigate Ecojet"

    Frigate Ecojet, Russia Next-Generation Wide Body Short and Medium haul Aircraft




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    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:58 am

    Austin wrote:Aeroflot after the fall


    I flew Aeroflot after the fall of CCCP from St. Pete to Moskva, it wasn't nearly that bad on the major routes. The non-profitable backwater routes didn't get the funding. Today, many of the aircraft are Airbus and Boeing which are nice to fly on but still many of the backwaters still use old Soviet planes. The major airports are up-to-date, but the little ones still are not there. More funding for airport safety and SSJs are required to get them up to international standards.

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    Post  Austin on Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:01 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Austin wrote:Aeroflot after the fall


    I flew Aeroflot after the fall of CCCP from St. Pete to Moskva, it wasn't nearly that bad on the major routes. The non-profitable backwater routes didn't get the funding. Today, many of the aircraft are Airbus and Boeing which are nice to fly on but still many of the backwaters still use old Soviet planes. The major airports are up-to-date, but the little ones still are not there. More funding for airport safety and SSJs are required to get them up to international standards.


    Vlad , which aircraft have you flown with Aeroflot ?

    I was looking at the video of Aeroflow and they do a very steep angle landing at high speed is that common ?

    Also I want to know why dont Russian Airliners like Aeroflot dont buy Russian Aircraft like Tu-204SM , SSJ and MS-21 in bigger numbers rather then invest in Western ones like Boeing and Airbus.

    Recently Putin was unhappy with this and told the Aeroflot chief he was unhappy


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    Post  Austin on Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:18 am

    Nice Presentation on Frigate Ecojet

    Frigate Ecojet, Next-Generation Wide Body Short and Medium haul Aircraft

    Download 4shared.com 4shared.com/document/yPLbc7SQ/frigateecojet.html






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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation News

    Post  Austin on Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:33 am

    Executive order awarding state decorations to the crew of a Tu-154 plane for courage and heroism

    Dmitry Medvedev signed Executive Order On Awarding State Decorations to the Crew of a Tu-154 Aircraft of Mirny Aviation Division of AO ALROSA, Republic of Sakha (Yakutia).

    Pilots Andrei Lamanov and Yevgeny Novoselov were awarded the title of Hero of the Russian Federation for their courage and heroism in an emergency situation. The other seven crew members were awarded the Order of Courage.

    The passenger Tu-154 aircraft with 72 passengers and nine crew members on board was flying from Yakutia to Moscow on September 7, 2010 when its electricity supply, navigation equipment and radio communications failed at an altitude of more than 10 kilometres and so it was forced to make an emergency landing at a military airfield in Izhma, Komi Republic (Northwestern Federal District), not designed to handle large aircraft and in recent years used to serve helicopters only. No one was injured during the landing and the plane received only slight damage.

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    Post  Austin on Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:34 am

    This is the incident where the pilots managed to save all crew and aircraft was subsequently awarded Hero of Russia award by President

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alrosa_Mirny_Air_Enterprise_Flight_514

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:11 am

    Austin wrote:

    Vlad , which aircraft have you flown with Aeroflot ?

    I was looking at the video of Aeroflow and they do a very steep angle landing at high speed is that common ?

    Also I want to know why dont Russian Airliners like Aeroflot dont buy Russian Aircraft like Tu-204SM , SSJ and MS-21 in bigger numbers rather then invest in Western ones like Boeing and Airbus.

    Recently Putin was unhappy with this and told the Aeroflot chief he was unhappy


    I flew in the Tu-154 and Il-96 as far as Soviet planes (outside of VDV). Most of the flights now are Boeing and Airbus. The pilots that land like that are ex-military, it depends on who is flying and where you are landing.

    They haven't had many options for modern aircraft in the past. Nothing up to today has met efficiency and safety standards. As the new regional airliners prove themselves, they will be bought in larger numbers, but even then they are competing with Antonova designs. We spend all this money on domestic civil aviation yet we set ourselves up to fail... makes no sense.

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    Post  Austin on Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:32 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:I flew in the Tu-154 and Il-96 as far as Soviet planes (outside of VDV). Most of the flights now are Boeing and Airbus. The pilots that land like that are ex-military, it depends on who is flying and where you are landing.


    Vlad , any interesting experience to share while flying the Tu-154 and IL-96 ?

    I am still wondering why didnt they manage to sell IL-96 specially the new IL-96-400 its a good aircraft as far as I can see it ,only few cargo variants fly specially in Polet airlines , why Russias cargo airlines are more keen for 777 types

    Why do ex-military pilots land their planes in such speed angle , even Indian AF operates the IL-76 havent seen them landing that way , any advantage in landing aircraft at such steep angle ?

    They haven't had many options for modern aircraft in the past. Nothing up to today has met efficiency and safety standards. As the new regional airliners prove themselves, they will be bought in larger numbers, but even then they are competing with Antonova designs. We spend all this money on domestic civil aviation yet we set ourselves up to fail... makes no sense.


    AFAIK both the Tu-204/214 and IL-96 are quite competitive and meet the safety standards , unless you think other wise , can you tell me why do they not meet those standards ?

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:17 pm

    Austin wrote:
    Vlad , any interesting experience to share while flying the Tu-154 and IL-96 ?


    Well, they are loud so it was hard to sleep. Try watching the in-flight movie and the power went out in the cabin flying from Moskva to Vladivostok. That was a boring flight. Two emergency landings out of 8 flights. 154s are prone to turbulence as they lack fly-by-wire. Service on the domestic routes are pretty bad but when you have a route to Europe, everything gets 10X better. Two landings felt like I was going to die with the pilot coming in too steep.

    I am still wondering why didnt they manage to sell IL-96 specially the new IL-96-400 its a good aircraft as far as I can see it ,only few cargo variants fly specially in Polet airlines , why Russias cargo airlines are more keen for 777 types


    PS-90A is not certified to operate in the EU, so no one wants it. Maybe once it gets PS-90A2 it will be more desirable. If it is too loud, it can't operate in populated areas.

    Why do ex-military pilots land their planes in such speed angle , even Indian AF operates the IL-76 havent seen them landing that way , any advantage in landing aircraft at such steep angle ?


    They are trained to land on as short a strip as possible, do it to hone their skills I guess. It can be quite terrifying from the passenger perspective.


    AFAIK both the Tu-204/214 and IL-96 are quite competitive and meet the safety standards , unless you think other wise , can you tell me why do they not meet those standards ?


    None of those aircraft are cleared to operate in Western countries. Engines are too loud, lacks latest ILS, engine reliability issues. The safety checklist can go on all day. The frames are good, but the guts are obsolete. It takes the French and Italians partnering up with SSJ to make an international friendly aircraft.


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    Post  Austin on Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:23 pm

    Vlad , It is not true that Tu-204 and IL-96 are not qualified to land , the newer IL-96-300/400 and Tu-204 and new 204SM meets ICAO 4 standards and noise requirement and can land at any airports including Europe.

    Infact all the aircraft be it military the modernised IL-476 and AN-124-150 are being qualified to meet the newer standards and can land at any airport in the world.

    Most certainly the Superjet and MS-21 will meet or exceed these standards from ground up.

    May be Putin should force Aeroflot to use as many Global Standard Complaint Russian Aircraft as possible

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:49 pm

    Austin wrote:Vlad , It is not true that Tu-204 and IL-96 are not qualified to land , the newer IL-96-300/400 and Tu-204 and new 204SM meets ICAO 4 standards and noise requirement and can land at any airports including Europe.


    It is true, they don't meet EASA safety certification. Without that you can't land in the EU. Only aircraft to gain it is Tu-204 with the Rolls Royce engines. Russian engines do not meet EASA standards.

    http://www.easa.europa.eu/ws_prod/g/doc/Agency_Mesures/Agency_Decisions/2009/Annex%20I%20-%20Aircraft%20Type%20Ratings.pdf


    Infact all the aircraft be it military the modernised IL-476 and AN-124-150 are being qualified to meet the newer standards and can land at any airport in the world.

    Most certainly the Superjet and MS-21 will meet or exceed these standards from ground up.


    The SSJ and An-148 are being outfitted with SaM146 engines made in a JV with France. MS-21 is to be powered by Pratt and Whitney. The military cargo planes are not EASA certified and won't be unless new engines are made. That is why UAC is trying so hard to get a European partner for the Ruslan.


    May be Putin should force Aeroflot to use as many Global Standard Complaint Russian Aircraft as possible


    Once our aircraft receive EASA certs, it won't be hard to sell them to domestic or foreign airlines. It is the lack of certification that is killing sales.

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    Post  Austin on Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:07 pm

    I some what agree with you here is my take

    1 ) The Tu-204SM is powered by PS-90A2 Engine that meets all requirement and meets ETOPS 180 standards , so that aircraft should do good and should be ordered in more numbers rather then Aeroflot opting for more 737NG and A-320 , I see no reason why they should order more of Boeing stuff when world class aircraft like Tu-204SM is available and is of similar class

    http://www.avid.ru/eng/advanced-developments/based-ps-90a/PS-90A2/

    2 ) The MS-21 as you rightly said meets all requirement and is being powered by P&W 1000G geared turbo fan engine but there is Russian equivalent of 5th Gen engine under development for MS-21 and its called PD-14 that meets all international requirenment

    http://www.avid.ru/eng/advanced-developments/Regional_Jet/

    3 ) The Superjet meets all requirenment and is powered by SAM146 engine , the AN-148 is meant for regional CIS transport and does not need SAM146 engine to meet global standard.

    The AN-148/158 is a regional jet and is powered by D-436-148 engine which meets all ICAO requirements and noise requirement , so there is no need or any proposal to power it by SAM146

    http://www.motorsich.com/eng/products/aircraft/tde/d-436-148/

    4 Aeroflot and other Russian airlines have done little to support Russian aircraft considering lately good aircraft are available is competitive and meets all global standards , Putin had a reason to be upset on Aeroflot chief.




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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation News

    Post  Austin on Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:38 pm

    SukhoiSuperjet: Brains in this system, Russian, and implementation - foreign

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation News

    Post  Austin on Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:40 pm

    Tu-204-300


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