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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Sep 26, 2015 7:43 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:Iran and Russia concluded a deal worth 21 billion dollars. Iran will buy SSJ-100s, plane parts and satellite parts. That's a huge deal.

    http://lenta.ru/news/2015/09/26/iran/

    No way!  That is a massive deal.

    Hopefully Russia can secure deals for Su-30's to Iran and maybe help them with their tank production.

    Well they will unfreeze Iranian ~$100BLN or so and Iran will soon start selling crude. Hope next 20BLN will go to Russian MIC - better deal crude is cheaper but Russian hi-tech in demand:)

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Sep 26, 2015 8:53 pm

    There is possibility that the news is fake or at least wrong.  Someone commented that on twitter, some high echelon people in Iran stated there was no deal for SSJ-100.  But lets wait and see what Iran says.

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/68280/?pid=695827#comments

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News

    Post  marat on Sat Sep 26, 2015 10:23 pm

    I hope that new is true, Iran needs civillian aircrafts.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:53 am

    http://www.trend.az/iran/politics/2436759.html

    According to this, Iran has no plans to buy Russian jets but Boeing or Airbus.......

    So is it possible that Iran took advantage of Russia's assistance on removing sanctions? Cause oil prices are gonna drop further thanks to Iran and now Russia wont get any sales to Iran? Iran is interested in purchasing more aircrafts from the nations that sanctioned them for 30 years?

    Did Iran fold?

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News

    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:07 am

    sepheronx wrote:According to this, Iran has no plans to buy Russian jets but Boeing or Airbus.......

    Makes sense if Iran wants larger plans and does not want to wait.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:16 am

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:According to this, Iran has no plans to buy Russian jets but Boeing or Airbus.......

    Makes sense if Iran wants larger plans and does not want to wait.

    Not really, no.  Most distances Iran will travel are well within what SSJ-100 can do.

    As well, since the sanctions have lifted, no deals with Russia is being made with Iran.  None.  Besides the completion of the nuclear power plants.  But they are loving the swaths of potential political knob polishing coming from the people who wanted them dead no more than half a year ago.  As well, now Iran wants Russias gas and oil market.  While Russia was offering oil barter trade (probably cancelled now) so Iran can stay afloat.

    I find it also funny that Iran is willing to threaten suing Russia over S-300 but wont sue west over illegal sanctions and sanctioning spare parts of civil jets.

    I think Iran f*d Russia. One of the few nations defending it.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News

    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Sun Sep 27, 2015 11:14 am

    sepheronx wrote:Not really, no.  Most distances Iran will travel are well within what SSJ-100 can do.

    The SSJ has only 108 passenger seats.

    sepheronx wrote:As well, since the sanctions have lifted, no deals with Russia is being made with Iran.  None.  Besides the completion of the nuclear power plants.  But they are loving the swaths of potential political knob polishing coming from the people who wanted them dead no more than half a year ago.  As well, now Iran wants Russias gas and oil market.  While Russia was offering oil barter trade (probably cancelled now) so Iran can stay afloat.

    We'll see.
    It was expected that Russia's oil and gas exporters are going to get more competition.

    sepheronx wrote:I find it also funny that Iran is willing to threaten suing Russia over S-300 but wont sue west over illegal sanctions and sanctioning spare parts of civil jets.

    Now you know how the Iranians felt when Russia did not deliver them the S-300 for the sake of the West & Israel.

    sepheronx wrote:I think Iran f*d Russia. One of the few nations defending it.

    How much did it cost Russia to "defend" Iran?

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Sep 27, 2015 1:53 pm

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Not really, no.  Most distances Iran will travel are well within what SSJ-100 can do.

    The SSJ has only 108 passenger seats.

    sepheronx wrote:As well, since the sanctions have lifted, no deals with Russia is being made with Iran.  None.  Besides the completion of the nuclear power plants.  But they are loving the swaths of potential political knob polishing coming from the people who wanted them dead no more than half a year ago.  As well, now Iran wants Russias gas and oil market.  While Russia was offering oil barter trade (probably cancelled now) so Iran can stay afloat.

    We'll see.
    It was expected that Russia's oil and gas exporters are going to get more competition.

    sepheronx wrote:I find it also funny that Iran is willing to threaten suing Russia over S-300 but wont sue west over illegal sanctions and sanctioning spare parts of civil jets.

    Now you know how the Iranians felt when Russia did not deliver them the S-300 for the sake of the West & Israel.

    sepheronx wrote:I think Iran f*d Russia. One of the few nations defending it.

    How much did it cost Russia to "defend" Iran?

    It cost part of their image.  Probably cost them even more as well.  Now it cost them profits in oil and gas.

    Who would have thought that the lack of sales of S-300 to Iran could cause more diplomatic harm than 30+ years of sanctions, shooting down their airliner (and getting a medal for it), threatening to bomb them every year, aiding both sides of the war (Iran/Iraq) and funding/aiding their enemy at every turn for the last 30+ years.

    I would hate to see what kind of contracts Russia would have lost if they didn't sell them radar systems..........

    Edit: As well, sdelanounas didn't lie as they got it from the same source. So if Sputnik had a real interview, then it is the minister from Iran who lied. Or if there was no interview, then it was Sputnik.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News

    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Sun Sep 27, 2015 1:58 pm

    sepheronx wrote:It cost part of their image.  Probably cost them even more as well.  Now it cost them profits in oil and gas.

    What image costs are you talking about?

    sepheronx wrote:Who would have thought that the lack of sales of S-300 to Iran could cause more diplomatic harm than 30+ years of sanctions, shooting down their airliner (and getting a medal for it), threatening to bomb them every year, aiding both sides of the war (Iran/Iraq) and funding/aiding their enemy at every turn for the last 30+ years.

    It is not like that the Iran was passive. Iran managed to strike back and let America pay with blood, even in the 1980s.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Sep 27, 2015 2:35 pm

    And yet, even if they paid in Blood (miniscule), that have no problem dealing with the devil whom no more than 6months ago threatened them (France and US especially). Russia didnt threaten them striking. As well, Russia still dealt with Iran economically while US had TOTAL sanctions. Not the same thing.

    Prestige now in regards to how foolish Russia was to vehemetly defend backstabbers.

    S-300 deal will probably happen but it will be last one for Iran from Russia.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News

    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Sun Sep 27, 2015 2:57 pm

    sepheronx wrote:And yet, even if they paid in Blood (miniscule), that have no problem dealing with the devil whom no more than 6months ago threatened them (France and US especially). Russia didnt threaten them striking. As well, Russia still dealt with Iran economically while US had TOTAL sanctions.  Not the same thing.

    Stop thinking in terms of favours and gratitude.
    Iranians uses many Boeing and Airbus planes. It was logical that they would buy something they are familiar with than replace them with something different.

    sepheronx wrote:Prestige now in regards to how foolish Russia was to vehemetly defend backstabbers.

    You have still not shown how much it cost Russia.

    sepheronx wrote:S-300 deal will probably happen but it will be last one for Iran from Russia.

    You don't want any new deals with Iran?

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:00 pm

    I already stated. It cost Russia in terms of dollar amounts in oil and gas (prices dropped considerably when the iran sanctions liftment agreement was made) it will cost Russia even more once the delivories start from Iran.

    Maybe so they have more experience, but one would think of after putting your eggs into one basket and then not being able to get spares for it, it would prompt them to diversify the supply. Heck, Iran has good experience with Tu-158 you know.

    I am also saying Iran may likely not buy anything more from Russia. Hell, Iran may be stupid enough to buy US weapons again like in Shah times. Didnt turn out well for Iran but you know what Insanity is.

    I say Russia should be more aggressive in doing business with them. Sell what they can, then to both sides. Iran can complain all they want afterwards.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News

    Post  higurashihougi on Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:33 pm

    @serephonx: well if RT and Sputnik posted it then the news may be true.

    http://www.rt.com/news/316641-russia-iran-aerospace-deal/

    Tehran will pay $21 billion for satellite equipment and Sukhoi Superjet 100 (SSJ-100) passenger aircraft from Russia, an Iranian official told Sputnik news agency.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:52 pm

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote: Iranians uses many Boeing and Airbus planes. It was logical that they would buy something they are familiar with than replace them with something different.

    IMHO not only reason for deal with Russia. US and western "partners" are interested in making second Iraq/Libya/Syria in Iran. Russia will be opposing this for sake of own interest and security thus deals with Russia/China are less risky.


    ExBeobachter1987 wrote: You have still not shown how much it cost Russia.

    I am not sure if you can easily calculate this in money terms I would rather deals with Iran consider in temrs of investment in national security.


    ExBeobachter1987 wrote: You don't want any new deals with Iran?

    I presume he does but seph is a bit to emotional wrt to geopolitical situation No love but building good trade relations, common security objectives is best love you can have in politics Smile

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:18 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:@serephonx: well if RT and Sputnik posted it then the news may be true.

    http://www.rt.com/news/316641-russia-iran-aerospace-deal/

    Tehran will pay $21 billion for satellite equipment and Sukhoi Superjet 100 (SSJ-100) passenger aircraft from Russia, an Iranian official told Sputnik news agency.

    Someone pointed out that no one has questioned or countered the statement on the amount of money, as we are well aware Iran did indeep buy satellites from Russia and co development. We are also aware that Iran is interested in the new Ilyushin transport planes, and that there are possible two ssj-100's for contract lease to Iran. So it is possible with all of these combined and Iran could have ordered the Ilyushins, that there is a $21B.

    I am also interested to see if they ever came to an agreement on making Russian cars in Iran and vice versa as they were hoping to do.

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    Re: Russian Civil Aviation: News

    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:28 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I am also interested to see if they ever came to an agreement on making Russian cars in Iran and vice versa as they were hoping to do.

    It would be a good deal for the Iranian consumers, but not the Iranian industry.

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