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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Wed Apr 17, 2024 4:02 pm

    What do you do if they (Zionists) attack?

    Gen. Hajizadeh: We will respond 100%.


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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Wed Apr 17, 2024 4:06 pm

    🇮🇷/🇮🇱 NEW: When Iran attacked Israel, the country's military officials had already assumed that an Israeli retaliation would take place, and they had even prepared for a limited war that they assumed would last anywhere between 1-3 months; the assessment was that at some point, a risk had to be taken to restore deterrence, regardless of the outcome – Iranian Official

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Wed Apr 17, 2024 4:09 pm

    ❗Iran announced it is preparing its air force in anticipation of a retaliatory strike by Israel and has begun escorting merchant ships in the Red Sea, Western media report.

    Tehran is also evacuating personnel from facilities in Syria, according to the Wall Street Journal.

    Israel is expected to notify its Arab allies before launching any strikes, which may be limited to facilities inside Syria, the paper said.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Wed Apr 17, 2024 4:27 pm

    🇮🇷 For the record:

    This is a satellite photo of an Iranian ballistic missile storage / production warehouse. There are HUNDREDS of such warehouses and production facilities in Iran.

    Practically every cent of Iran's defense budget has been spent on the mass production of ballistic missiles since the early 2000's.

    The situation has now reached a point where the problem is not production capacity, but storage capacity. There are literally too many missiles to store. One commander famously said: 'We produce them like cigars'.

    Let this be extremely clear.


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    Post  nomadski Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:51 pm

    To damage bunkers , they need many  heavy conventional  bombs . Like those of Russia FAB 3000 or more . This will take many air missions over target and they will loose many bomber planes . Basics they need nuke Earth penetrators . But even these have to be discharged over target by plane , they have to be aimed . To reach bunkers , they need either refuelling or external tanks for range . Tankers must refuel near Iran borders and are target . External fuel tanks , limit payload and destroy stealth , and upon discharging , leave hard points visible on Radar . Their best option is a nuke Earth penetrating carried internal with new external fuel tank , removed 500 km from Iran borders . The only disadvantage is loosing stealth , and possibly plane . The nuclear enrichment has been closed . Has the reactor ? That can more easily be damaged . But more likely they will send drones to spook Radar , and launch cruises missiles to destroy them , before sending in fighters for air combat and then bombers . If they had the time !

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Wed Apr 17, 2024 6:19 pm

    🇮🇷 Deputy of the Office of Political Ideology of IRGC General Command: As soon as the Zionists make a mistake against Iranian soil, our response will begin.

    We have no restrictions this time and the Zionists will face new types of weapons. Our tactics will be different this time.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Wed Apr 17, 2024 11:38 pm

    Eugenio Argentina wrote:🇮🇷/🇮🇱 NEW: When Iran attacked Israel, the country's military officials had already assumed that an Israeli retaliation would take place, and they had even prepared for a limited war that they assumed would last anywhere between 1-3 months; the assessment was that at some point, a risk had to be taken to restore deterrence, regardless of the outcome – Iranian Official

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    i would not want to encourage war, but i fully understand the Iranian position and reasoning.
    Also they again talk complete logic and sense while you only hear lies and insanity from Israel.
    That instigated this confrontation with Iran.

    Also, i do not know why i do not see this mentioned more on TG and the likes.

    That all these nations, The Russians, Chinese, Iranians and North Koreans have been expanding and tightening the millitary-industrial cooperation the last years.

    remember all the RF flights coming and going to Iran?.

    The RF ships making intensive trips to North Korea?.
    North Korean missiles being used by Russia in Ukraine.

    The claims that have been going on for a while of China buying all the raw products from Russia, Including the DPR/LPR. There are RF reports from DPR/LPR circulating out there that steel and mining works at 100% capacity because of this.

    And what i admire is they make the munitions and weapons systems integrate flawlessly.
    production standards are brought up to standards in subsequent productions and delivery's.

    picture here of an RF artillery unit in posession of RF, Iranian and NK munitions of the same type:
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    NK and RF mortars in Ukraine:
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    NATO is not fighting a singular nation anymore, it is in the millitary-industrial sense fighting all of them at once.
    I really do not see an positive outcome for israel when Iran will just keep producing more drones, CM's and BM's witch components are build abroad if need be when their own facilities are damaged/destroyed.

    It is sound strategic thinking and reasoning from these anti-NATO nations.

    Razz Well,...NATO claims it is the same. They are just corrupt as **** and run by companies that just want maximum profits and produce sub-standard weaponry Razz

    Russia be like: "shortage of shells?. expand production"
    NATO be like: "shortage of shells?. you just pay more for same shell".


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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Apr 18, 2024 2:28 am

    🇮🇱 Israeli media: On Monday, the war cabinet considered giving a green light to the Israeli “army” to carry out an attack against Iran, But it was ultimately decided not to carry out an attack against Iran for “operational reasons.”

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    Post  ahmedfire Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:02 am



    Next time Iran should use drones equipped with air to air missiles

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    Post  nomadski Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:33 am

    They say , they will use SU 24 next time . But is this true ? Why such aircraft ? If true , then may be simply because they are oldest stock , with available old Ammo collecting dust .  Also likely these will simply fire Iranian ALCM from stand off distance . If not true , then could be to confuse them . Let them think this aircraft used , instead of other aircraft . They said that they collected information during last operation about all Israel territory and defences . So I think they did this by extended range drones . To photograph and return ! A round trip of 2000 km from Iran borders ! The GPS jamming station on Golan was taken out first . These drones in AA role , are I think for point defence . They are not autonomous . For planes that get through . Iran engaged on many fronts against Israel . This will continue now . But the problem of Palestinian genocide seems beyond Iranian solutions . Only Egypt can offer immediate relief by opening border to look after the hungry and injured ...........
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    Post  George1 Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:21 am

    attacking Iran but...from which route..?
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    Post  George1 Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:25 am

    Some of the spent missile parts fell along the way after all the fuel was used and the head part of the MRBM separated from them and flew to the target. There are a lot of photos of them on the Internet; they are mistakenly taken as debris from downed missiles, although the fall of such parts is precisely a consequence of the normal operation of ballistic missile systems.

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    Post  nomadski Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:10 pm

    George1 wrote:attacking Iran but...from which route..?


    The ideal condition for F35 is to have maximal internal fuel ( full gas )  and ammo , just before entering the long range Iranian AD zone ? This is about 200 km from Iranian western borders . The F35 will then have greatest operational capability stealth and  range to reach as deep targets as possible , and able to return and escape outside of AD range ? Most Iranian nuclear sites are about 500 km from western borders . Therefore the round trip is about 1400 km . To and from Israel border to this zone , round trip is yet another 1400 km . Total 2800 km . So unless external Tanks or refuelling , then short of fuel by about 600 km . Can not reach all targets , limited internal payload . The distance is prohibitive for any diversions from straight flight path , from Israel to Iran . Not to say problematic politically . Some secret sites may be in Eastern Iran . Well beyond reach .

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Apr 18, 2024 2:16 pm

    🇮🇷 Commander of IRGC Aerospace Force, Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajizadeh:

    — We faced the Zionist enemy with old weapons and minimal power.

    — At this stage, by the grace of God, we overcame the maximum capacity of the Hebrew and Western camp with minimal power.

    — At this stage, we did not use the “Khorramshahr”, “Sejjil”, “Haj Qassem”, “Khaybar Shekan” and “Hypersonic (Fattah) 2” missiles.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Thu Apr 18, 2024 2:21 pm

    nomadski wrote:They say , they will use SU 24 next time . But is this true ? Why such aircraft ? If true , then may be simply because they are oldest stock , with available old Ammo collecting dust .  Also likely these will simply fire Iranian ALCM from stand off distance . If not true , then could be to confuse them . Let them think this aircraft used , instead of other aircraft . They said that they collected information during last operation about all Israel territory and defences . So I think they did this by extended range drones . To photograph and return ! A round trip of 2000 km from Iran borders ! The GPS jamming station on Golan was taken out first . These drones in AA role , are I think for point defence . They are not autonomous . For planes that get through . Iran engaged on many fronts against Israel . This will continue now . But the problem of Palestinian genocide seems beyond Iranian solutions . Only Egypt can offer immediate relief by opening border to look after the hungry and injured ...........

    I highly doubt that Iran would use any aircraft to attack Israel due to distance and Israeli allied aircraft in the region (USA/UK/Jordan) it's missiles have the range, destructive power, cheaper, less risk and more chance of making to the target. (Despite what Israel says). Iran's air force isn't that great and it will be wanting to keep what it has to protect it's own airspace and the Strait of Hormuz. Su-24 would be ideal to target ships off the coast of Iran. Iran has a whole host of homegrown air to surface missiles, including anti ship missiles, they also have air launched cruise missiles with a 1,000km range. Iran upgraded it's Su-22 to launch cruise missiles am sure that the Su-24 would be able to do so as well. The issue they have is range and getting closer to Israel. Unless Iraq allows them to fly through their airspace then Iran can't use aircraft to attack Israel. The ideal situation for Iran is if it could station aircraft in Syria this would greatly reduce flight time of air launched missiles into Israel however they would just become a target for Israel. As for Israel they have their surface to surface Jericho 2&3 missiles the issue with these is how many do Israel actually have, and these are predominantly silo based and Israel being a small country it's harder to hide these, Iran is the exact opposite. And Iran has ramped up production on surface to surface missiles I would think they have far more than Israel and can make them cheaper. Israel also lacks air to surface range unless Iraq allows it to fly through it airspace. Iraq should remain neutral and state that it's airspace is out of bounds for aircraft for both countries this would hamper Israel more than Iran.

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    Post  nomadski Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:03 pm




    Well they say , they will strike and have decided how , but not when ! Therefore Iran has to take this at face value and respond accordingly . It is not good enough to allow Israeli aircraft to get airborne , because they have stated their purpose . It will be too late to intercept them effectively once airborne and allows an advantage to them .  Iran must demand Israel ground all fighter aircraft immediately ! Otherwise they will be hit  within seconds . Alternative is a radiation poisoned radioactive zone in Iran , this an act of mass destruction .WMD . No fooking around .


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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:49 pm

    🚨| 🇮🇷 BREAKING/IMPORTANT:

    Iran says it’s very possible to revise nuclear doctrine and policies and change the previous declared considerations, if israel uses the threat of attacking nuclear facilities as a tool to put pressure on Iran.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:50 pm

    🇮🇷🇮🇱 Iran has threatened to attack Israel's nuclear facilities.

    The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps said that Tehran has identified the location of “all Israeli nuclear facilities” and is ready to strike them at any moment in the event of an Israeli strike on Iranian territory. At the same time, the Iranians claim that their nuclear facilities are “reliably protected.”

    Let us recall that Israel is preparing a retaliatory strike against Saturday’s missile and drone attack of Iran, which was, in turn, a response to Israel’s attack on the Iranian consulate in Damascus. The West calls on Prime Minister Netanyahu not to strike.

    Note that Israel is not officially a nuclear state, but rumors that it has nuclear weapons have been circulating for a long time.


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    Post  crod Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:59 am

    Looks like the israeli response is now under way.
    Targets Iraq, Syria and Iran (nuclear facility in Isfahan??) have been hit according to the first reports.

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    Post  sepheronx Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:14 am

    It was a failed attempt.

    Iranian skies were lit up with their AD taking down small drones from Israel.

    I think only an early warning radar was destroyed in Syria. At least only thing apparently confirmed. Unsure though.

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    Post  nomadski Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:09 am

    Appears to be missile strike in Isfahan . And attack in Tabriz . From early YouTube video , explosion large and of odd characteristic colour . A large white rapid flash . Could be non-conventional or nuclear !
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    Post  crod Fri Apr 19, 2024 7:40 am

    Looks like a nothing burger event. Surely that’s not it (though I’d be happy if so), after the bluster and hard man language coming from israel this past week?
    Perhaps last week has indeed worried them.

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    Post  nomadski Fri Apr 19, 2024 7:58 am

    The people reported large explosions . Unfortunately the YouTube video showing flash , I can not find any more . Absolutely looked like nuke flash . Not conventional . There are conflicting official reports from Iran . No doubt there were explosions . If they counter attack , then these were conventional missiles . If they don't respond , then they were nuclear . Also pointless sending a couple of conventional warheads . Knowing retaliation will come . Makes sense to send a message with one nuke missile . Impact site in desert , probably 50 km away from Isfahan . Americans confirm a single missile launch from Israel . They had to clarify , to stop attack against them . One missile , to establish deterrence ? Conventional missile ?

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