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    Crocus City Hall terrorist attack

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:29 pm

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    Biden administration is in full panic mode.

    They've believed Zelensky and Budanov got the message on 7th March when the US basically told them to cancel the planned terrorist attack when US Embassy in Russia issued warning.

    They still went ahead 2 weeks later.

    It's over now.
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    I have seen a comment that the Terrorists Leader TL did a recce of the site and was filmed on the 7th but the owner A....... and his goons were there giving the impression of a large security presence. It is assumed that TL may have thought that this was all to do with Shamen's concert and decided to delay for a couple of weeks to a less protected gig. This ties in the the US warning on the 7th for 48 hours.

    No doubt the Yanks gave a huge sigh of relief then had a horrible shock.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:32 pm

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    BREAKING:

    Russia arrests 63-year-old Isroil Islomov and his 2 sons for aiding the Moscow attackers
    #RussialsATerroristState #RussiaisATerroistState

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:35 pm

    Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺
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    #MoscowAttack #Russia
    I have followed #ISIS closely since its inception in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon, drawing on my fieldwork and studies as a terrorism and counter-terrorism expert and academic and a war journalist. With this background, I question the claim that Islamic State is responsible for the Moscow attack. My scepticism is based on several anomalies and unusual aspects that undermine the authenticity of ISIS's claim:

    1. The use of the term "Muqatileen" in the communique is atypical; previous communiques have preferred the terms "Mujahideen" or "Fursan" or "Istishadeyeen".

    2. Amaq's statement that the attackers had "safely withdrawn" contradicts reports of their capture. Amaq usually waits to announce the results of attacks until all the results are in, but in this case they prematurely claimed success even though the terrorists had been arrested.

    3. ISIS has never used voice changers in its communiqués. Notably, even when "Jihadi John" changed his voice due to his British nationality and recognition, voice changers were not used. The attackers in this case were not Western, and it is unprecedented for non-Western members to use voice changers, even when shouting "Allahu Akbar" or versus related to the Koran.

    4. Live webcasting of attacks is not a method used by ISIS. While Go-Pro cameras have been used in the past, they have never been connected to a live internet feed to avoid the risk of interception, unless there is an advanced capability to scramble the signal after transmission.

    5. Amaq consistently publishes the name of its media agency in both Arabic and English when attacks occur outside the Middle East, a detail missing from this claim.

    For the reasons outlined above, combined with my professional reluctance based on past experience of claimed attacks in Iran where subsequent communiques were corrected, I am inclined to discount the claim of ISIS involvement in the Moscow attack.

    Further disclosure of other discrepancies has been withheld to avoid providing insights that could be used to refine future claims.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:39 pm

    Head of the Investigative Committee Bastrykin:

    — The investigation established the full chronology of events;
    — The terrorists arrived at Crocus City Hall at 19.58 and left the building at 20.11;
    — All the accused admitted their guilt during interrogation and in court and gave confessional statements about customers and accomplices;
    — Three more people were detained who assisted in the preparation of the terrorist attack;
    — When the terrorists were detained, two AK-74s, more than 500 rounds of ammunition, 28 magazines and bottles with gasoline residues were discovered;
    — After committing a terrorist attack, terrorists hit a family with children in a car;
    — More than 200 searches and seizures were carried out, items relevant to the investigation were confiscated;
    — The terrorist attack in Crocus was carefully planned and prepared;
    — The investigation is checking to what extent the fire extinguishing system at Crocus complied with safety requirements.
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    Another point he reported

    - 139 fatalities, including 40 from gunshot wounds and 45 from fire.


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    Post  JohninMK Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:41 pm

    Putin on the attack

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:47 pm

    This is presumably in addition to Central/Local Government promised and perhaps that of Shaman.

    Jacob🇷🇺Charite 🕯
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    Deputy Prime Minister Tatyana Golikova: The amount of funds raised to help victims reached 1 billion rubles;

    11,822 donors donated 4,642 liters of whole blood and 1,130 liters of plasma at donor points in Russia over the weekend;
    Deputy Prime Minister Tatyana Golikova

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    🇷🇺 A law on social support for citizens affected by terrorist attacks and emergencies, providing for long-term assistance, has been introduced into the State Duma, follows from the State Duma database. - FRWL reports

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:22 pm

    With Putin bearing down on this I think we can assume that someone is in deep shit.

    https://t.me/akashevarova/7232

    Moscow. Crocus City.

    Clause 3. Business Responsibility.

    Crocus City is a huge site in Krasnogorsk near Moscow. The facility is large-scale, located in close proximity to the Government of the Moscow Region, and has access to the metro. Naturally, such a project must meet fire safety requirements, as well as anti-terrorist protection. It belongs to the Crocus Group, which is owned by Azerbaijani entrepreneur Araz Agalarov.

    There is a legal and then an emotional part of the issue.

    As for the law. There was no proper security during the concert. Although the Crocus Profi private security company was supposed to work there. When everything happened, the Crocus Profi rapid response team did not even flinch, this was also reported by presenter Karnaukhov and deputy Khinshtein. Although the RBI of the private security company also has weapons - IZH-71 pistols, Saiga-20KV self-loading rifles. But it was not them, not their weapons, that were missing at the tragic moment. They didn't protect people.

    Here it’s worth understanding, they didn’t do it - because there was an order from above or is it sabotage? In any case, the owner is responsible.

    People also died from suffocation. The fire system didn't work. The exits were blocked. Who checked Crocus City and when for compliance with all requirements? This situation is under control in the Investigative Committee.

    The emotional part of the issue is that in their comments the Agalarov family does not talk about payments and support for the victims and families of the victims. Doesn't mean there were shortcomings on their part as owners. However, the owner of Crocus City is demanding compensation from the state in the amount of 10 billion rubles. If the owners themselves were negligent and did not comply with the requirements for fire safety and anti-terrorism protection, which are enshrined in law, then what right do they have to demand compensation?

    Araz Agalarov himself called the people at whom the terrorists immediately began shooting not guards, but controllers. I’m interested in whether in New Riga there is a cottage community called “Agalarov Estate” (built by Araz Agalarov’s company), where representatives of the Russian elite live, including families of high-ranking officials. Is the security at Agalarov Estate the same? Or does the fact that decision-makers live in this village in close proximity give Crocus Group the right to demand compensation and get away with it?

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:29 pm

    Anything involving terrorism in the Middle East over the past decades is murky with layer upon layer of obfuscation. So, an interesting analysis

    The Tajik terrorists who made the attack in originate from a British-formed organization called 'National Alliance of Tajikistan'.

    The purpose of this organization was to rescue the remnants of ISIS rabble from Tajikistan after lost war in Syria, in order for Britain to create a pool/network of terrorists.

    On the eve of the flight of the Amers from Afghanistan, the British fussed over the Tajiks and in 2018 created the National Alliance of Tajikistan in Warsaw on the basis of this party, into which they tried to push the remnants of all the Tajik thugs who survived after the defeat of ISIS. The alliance was headed by such a figure as Kabirov, who walked hand in hand with Khalimov all his life. The purpose of creating a new organization was simple: the West was losing the war in Syria, and it was necessary to establish the traffic of militants from Tajikistan. NAT served as a single window where Britain contributed money, and Kabirov and Khalimov were engaged in the export of Tajik “meat.” Here it must be said that nominally Khalimov has been considered dead since 2017, but there is also a second opinion that he was simply “removed” into the shadows after the amers became angry with ISIS. However, what does all this have to do with the events at Crocus City Hall? Patience, dear readers. We're almost to the point.

    In 2022, with the beginning of the Northern Military District, the so-called Jabhat Al-Shamiya brigade appeared as part of the mercenary corps in Ukraine. Or rather, one of its detachments operating in the Aleppo region. This detachment is led by a field commander (Tajik by nationality), Khalimov’s right hand. All that is known about him is that his name is Shusha, and he is a history teacher by training.

    There is a version that this is one of Khalimov’s many siblings and cousins. I won’t talk now about the military path of these Tajik Basmachi in Ukraine, there is something to talk about there too. Jabhat Ash-Shamiya was one of the main recipients of British money allocated through the National Alliance of Tajikistan.

    And here (attention!) a month after the failure of the dill counter-offensive (perhaps a little later at the turn of October and November), Ilya Ponomarev, the political leader of the new Vlasovites, and the political leader of the Tajik terrorists, Kabirov, met in London. After this, a number of more meetings were recorded in Warsaw. Already at the level of functionaries.

    There are some interesting details about these meetings, particularly who supervised them. But more on that next time.

    And now we see a coordinated attack in Belgorod by new Vlasovites, and in Moscow by Tajik militants. I think that the affiliation of the arrested terrorists with the National Alliance of Tajikistan will soon be confirmed one way or another.

    Why to NAT? It is known for certain that recruitment (on the terms of paying for the road and lifts) in Russia is carried out by the National Union of Migrants of Tajikistan, which is part of the alliance, which is also considered an extremist organization in its homeland. And so do we.

    This very Union ensures the existence of a network of sleeper agents from Tajikistan in Russia. The agents are primarily in the hands of Mi-6, because needless to say, this Union was created in the 2000s under the direct leadership of the British.

    In other words, Great Britain began to put together a united terrorist front against Russia as soon as it became clear that the counteroffensive had failed and dill was doomed. And, moreover, in her traditional manner, she tried to set up or bait the hegemon. Obviously, the hegemon did not like this, and he tried to warn Moscow. At the same time trying not to hand over your closest ally. Although, to be honest, even from this story it is clearly clear that with such allies, the United States does not need any enemies.

    But that's not all. In our politics and intelligence community there is also an opinion that is not widely discussed, but it exists: the British have shown blatant initiative, and now everyone has frozen in anticipation of a showdown between their allies.

    And Russia’s first serious reaction to the terrorist attack has already followed (although perhaps this is a coincidence): our representative at the UN, Nebenzya, stated that Russia will not recognize Zelensky as legitimate after the expiration of his term of office. And since you are nobody in our eyes, it is possible that immediately after Day X, Hitler Zelensky will be demonstratively denationalized. Unless, of course, the British finish him off first.

    In anticipation of this glorious event, let's hope that Budanov (a direct agent of Mi-6) and Ponomarev (an even more direct agent) will soon go to God's judgment. It's time, it's time, the devils are clearly waiting in hell for them.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:49 pm

    Grade 1 case of stupidity or asking for it!

    Rough justice

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    🇷🇺A carload of foreigners in Astrakhan, Russia were playing loud music when a policemen reminded them that Russia is of mourning the victims of the Crocus terror attack.

    The foreigners answered, "You are mourning - we are celebrating".

    A few moments later they found out!

    @aussiecossack

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    Post  sepheronx Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:04 pm

    Not only should they be brutalized, but kicked out permanently

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Mar 26, 2024 6:06 am

    JohninMK wrote:Anything involving terrorism in the Middle East over the past decades is murky with layer upon layer of obfuscation. So, an interesting analysis

    I have told you so. Lots of questions will need an answer very, very soon.
    The entire terror attack lasted for 15 min.
    It was formally acknowledged by the law enforcement organs.
    This roof collapsed when it was still ongoing.
    That was a few min after it started.
    Revealed information paints a gore picture - till now, body examination reports 40 people have been killed by gunshots, while 46 suffocated and burned.
    In the end, it will turn out that the vast majority of victims were there because of the construction collapse.

    And an interesting detail that slipped somehow unnoticed.
    The ones who stopped the terrorists were ordinary DPC officers.
    Road police.
    They haven't waited for a cavalry arrival, but chased them and shoot at tires, forcing to stop.
    And didn't stop after that, but hunted them down.
    One of the terrorists was detained by them, while the other ran away into the woods, they only managed to grab his jacket with documents.
    They stopped the chase only because special forces arrived.

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    Post  Kiko Tue Mar 26, 2024 12:08 pm

    Ukrainian special services facilitated the terrorist attack at Crocus, the head of the FSB said, 03.26.2024.

    Bortnikov: the terrorist attack in Crocus was prepared by Islamists with the assistance of Ukraine.

    MOSCOW, March 26 – RIA Novosti. Ukrainian special services facilitated the terrorist attack at Crocus City Hall, said FSB Director Alexander Bortnikov.

    He clarified that the attack was being prepared by radical Islamists.

    Terrorist attack at Crocus City Hall

    The attack on the Crocus City Hall concert hall in Krasnogorsk near Moscow occurred on the evening of March 22. Four people burst into the building and began shooting people point-blank with machine guns. They also set fires in several places, as a result the roof collapsed and the auditorium was completely burned out.

    According to the Investigative Committee , 139 people died, 40 of them from gunshot wounds, and 182 were injured.
    A criminal case was opened under the article “Terrorist attack”.

    The perpetrators were detained in the early morning of March 23 in the Bryansk region . They turned out to be citizens of Tajikistan . They were driving a car towards the border. The Basmanny Court of Moscow sent them under arrest until May 22. A total of 11 people were detained in the case.
    According to Vladimir Putin, the direct participants in the attack planned to hide in Ukraine. The head of state emphasized that the performers, organizers and customers will be punished.

    https://ria.ru/20240326/krokus-1935922149.html

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:43 pm

    fresh from Duyma, good news! it's fuckin started


    Vyacheslav Volodin on the death penalty: no referendums are needed, the decision of the Constitutional Court is enough

    http://duma.gov.ru/news/59071/

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:29 pm

    Capital punishment still exist in the Russian criminal code.
    It was only a subject of moratorium, which was connected with membership in the Council of Europe.
    As Russia gives a shit about this membership anymore, the legal and formal grounds to keep the moratory are nonexistent.
    By the way, there was one fascinating part of this membership as well. I have found that by accident only.
    Russia was obliged to detailed and in advance register of all military relocations inside of Russia.
    Those data were later transferred to NATO/US level without any hesitation, while the reverse mechanism was nonexistent.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:32 pm

    https://radiosputnik.ru/20240326/budanov-1935935935.html

    The FSB answered the question why the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine is still alive

    MOSCOW, March 26/ Radio Sputnik. The head of the Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR) of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, Kirill Budanov*, is considered a legitimate target of the Russian army, said FSB Director Alexander Bortnikov.
    A Life correspondent asked whether Budanov* was a legitimate target of Russian troops, to which Bortnikov received a positive answer.
    "
    “Everyone who commits crimes against Russia and Russian citizens is (our) legitimate target,” the FSB head said .

    When asked why Budanov* was still alive, Bortnikov replied that “everything is still ahead.

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    ALAMO wrote: I have found that by accident only.
    Russia was obliged to detailed and in advance register of all military relocations inside of Russia.
    Those data were later transferred to NATO/US level without any hesitation, while the reverse mechanism was nonexistent.

    IT was form glorious 90s where Russia was to disintegrate. So many stupid and one sided agreements. Just to please new masters of jewish oligarchs. Unluckily for the west Uncle Vova came... As we can see only now reall boost towards independence started. Better late than never though Smile

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    Post  Arrow Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:35 pm

    When asked why Budanov* was still alive, Bortnikov replied that “everything is still ahead.” wrote:

    Another meaningless threat.

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    Post  lancelot Tue Mar 26, 2024 7:21 pm

    Arrow wrote:Another meaningless threat.
    I wouldn't know about that. What about Maxim Kuzminov? Dzhokhar Dudaev? Zelimkhan Yandarbiyev? Aslan Maskhadov? Abdul-Halim Sadulayev? Dokka Umarov?

    If the Russian government wants you dead, you die. It is that simple.

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    Post  Hole Tue Mar 26, 2024 9:15 pm

    And contrary to western claims they (russian government) don´t need Novichok or Pollonium to get someone killed.

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    Post  kvs Tue Mar 26, 2024 9:23 pm



    Evidence that NATzO was behind this attack. The NATzO propaganda chorus is pushing the BS that Putin is responsible because
    he supposedly ignored warnings from NATzO about this attack. This fits in with the usual pattern of propaganda which attempts
    to incite Russians against their own government.

    We also have NATzO minion sock puppets chirping that no terrorist attack in Russia has ever been properly investigated. This is
    right in there with the above propaganda effort.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Tue Mar 26, 2024 9:28 pm

    Hi Lads did you ever wonder how does it look like Ukrainian military intel coat of arms?

    You're welcome

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    Post  kvs Tue Mar 26, 2024 9:34 pm

    Hole wrote:And contrary to western claims they (russian government) don´t need Novichok or Pollonium to get someone killed.

    The Russian government also needs a motive. Neither of these exotic weapon attacks were against targets of interest to the Russian
    government. Litvinenko was an indirect asset because he made endless loopy claims that he never backed up. Like the joke that
    Russia was behind the Mohammad cartoon incident in Denmark. Or his claim that he had a suitcase full of evidence proving that
    Russian services staged the 1999 apartment bombings as a pretext to invade Chechnya. As if the 700 people killed in Daghestan after
    the Wahabbi warlords running Chechya invaded earlier that year was not enough pretext. Imagine the US needing a staged pretext for
    retaliation if Mexico attacked across the border.

    The Skripals were already traded spies and not some government in exile or something. If Russia had a policy of eliminating all spies that
    went to the west, then we would have more than one such case in the whole freaking period after 1917. The thallium attack on some
    dissident and the Trotsky case are obviously different. The recent offing of a pilot in Spain who got Russian soldiers killed in the Ukr
    SMO is also a different case. No exotic weapons in this case but some bullets, which got the job done.

    The bottom line is "cui bono". The use of exotic weapons (Polonium, some chemical claimed to be a super-duper nerve agent with a
    fake Russian name) serves no purpose for Russia, but is just the sort of propaganda theater that NATzO would use in its attempts to
    frame Russia. If they could have done so, then they would have used an exotic weapon against Magnitsky as well.

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    Post  kvs Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:49 pm



    Ritter destroys the ISIS narrative.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Mar 27, 2024 12:25 am

    @Arrow, No one can click their fingers and kill their arch enemies... how long did the CIA try to kill Castro... he outlasted about 10 US presidents didn't he?

    Not to mention Saddam and OBL or a dozen others they want dead...

    It is a question of getting the intel that a certain person will be in a certain place at a certain time with certain other people around them... just one nazi is a waste when you can get a group of them together for the party.

    Plus making him sweat and get really paranoid would be fun too.

    Plus ideally I would love to see him stand trial so a coup that overthrows Zelensky and puts their entire leadership in jail and have an immediate ceasefire and talks with the Russians about the future in realistic terms based on what people on the ground want and what is reasonable to happen.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:39 am

    Ukrainians behind terrorist attack will never be punished. Russia is all talk no action. Always has been always will be


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    Post  lyle6 Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:20 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:Ukrainians behind terrorist attack will never be punished. Russia is all talk no action. Always has been always will be
    You are very confident to use a very strong word like never. Wanna bet on it?

    If Budo snuffs it before a ceasefire is declared you delete your account. If he survives until a ceasefire I delete mine.

    Do we have a deal?

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