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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:37 pm

    Ha surgido otra imagen de los presuntos terroristas.

    En la foto, los sospechosos llevan gorras, como se puede ver a todos los militantes en uno de los primeros vídeos que aparecieron .


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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:38 pm

    🇾🇪🇵🇸🇷🇺 The Houthis and Hamas expressed condolences to Russia in connection with the terrorist attack.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:40 pm

    🇷🇺 Statements about the alleged involvement of ISIS in the terrorist attack are the same poorly concocted fake news as the previously disseminated fake information. This is part of a disinformation campaign coming from Ukraine aimed at providing information support for the terrorist attack

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:49 pm

    US, UK intel knew of heightened terror threat ahead of concert hall attack: retired FSB colonel

    Former FSB Lieutenant Colonel Alexei Filatov says he is “100 percent” certain of who is behind the terror attack on Crocus City Hall venue.

    “What can be seen from the organization, from the forces and means used, is that everything was planned in advance. That is, it was not some kind of prank of semi-criminal elements.

    Furthermore, I see that one group ‘worked’ on targeting people around the hall, while the second set fire to the roof, which seems to have now collapsed, in order to make the terror attack look ‘very effective’ in the media,” with the image seen round the world being of “practically the best concert venue in Russia” on fire, Filatov told Sputnik.

    Filatov found it curious that the US and British embassies, at the behest of their respective security services, had asked their citizens living in or visiting Russia not to take part in any mass public events on March 8 – several weeks before Friday’s attacks.

    “They knew about some terrorist incident that was being planned,” the counter-terrorism expert believes.

    Filatov, who is a veteran of Chechnya and a special anti-terrorist operation to free hostages in Budennovsk, Stavropol Krai in 1995, has no doubt that Ukrainian intelligence is behind Friday’s attack. The Kiev regime has publicly denied responsibility.

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    Post  thegopnik Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:59 pm

    Time for another red flag to be drawn if it was Ukraine.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:19 pm

    thegopnik wrote:Time for another red flag to be drawn if it was Ukraine.

    Or Red line? No more terrorist attacks or we will get even more angry than we are now.
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:21 pm

    Putin should look for recruits through these forums, since apparently they are again combative and with their help he will surely beat Ukraine in a few days.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sat Mar 23, 2024 12:09 am

    this is a provocation, I hope Putin does not give them what they want, namely a war crime. However, heat, electricity, the internet, hot and cold running water, trains, and air travel are not things Ukrainians should have for a few months

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    Post  Firebird Sat Mar 23, 2024 12:10 am

    If the Pukrainian regime is behind it then surely NUland, Zelensky and Obummer need to catch what they are long overdue.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sat Mar 23, 2024 12:11 am

    Firebird wrote:If the Pukrainian regime is behind it then surely NUland, Zelensky and Obummer need to catch what they are long overdue.

    They are who did this.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Mar 23, 2024 12:12 am

    Is this what Nuland/Nudelman meant when she said that there were "surprises" in store for Putin and Russia?

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sat Mar 23, 2024 12:15 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:Is this what Nuland/Nudelman meant when she said that there were "surprises" in store for Putin and Russia?

    She a (rhymes with ducking hunt) and so yes. I'd open criminal proceedings against her and her husband and try her in absentia

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Mar 23, 2024 12:16 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:this is a provocation, I hope Putin does not give them what they want, namely a war crime.  However, heat, electricity, the internet, hot and cold running water, trains, and air travel are not things Ukrainians should have for a few months

    Aye, the complete collapse of the Ukrop society needs to happen in pace with the destruction of the AFU. Russia needs to regard each warm hearth and lightbulb in Banderastan to be a mortal insult to Russian honour that requires immediate response.

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    Post  kvs Sat Mar 23, 2024 12:30 am

    This is aimed at setting off a sixth column frenzy in Russia. These NATzO f*ckers think that they can get enough Russians outraged and calling for blood that will result
    in an anti-government reaction when Putin does not satisfy their wishes. This has shown no sign of being a viable scenario before and dialing up the death toll will not
    make it happen.

    It goes back to the 1917 period when some demonstration stampeded its own members to death and this "bloody Sunday" helped bootstrap the revolution. But there
    is no revolution potential in Russia today. The discontent exists only in the minds of NATzO deciders.

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    Post  Kiko Sat Mar 23, 2024 12:44 am

    Why did the NWO become a de facto war?, by Gevorg Mirzayan for VZGLYAD. 03.22.2024.

    The Kiev regime made its contribution to the transformation of the Northern Military District into war. At a time when Russia’s goals were exclusively the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, Zelensky refused to compromise and launched the process of total confrontation.

    Russia’s special military operation on the territory of Ukraine, after the collective West’s open entry into the conflict, de facto escalated into war. This was stated by the press secretary of the Russian President Dmitry Peskov.

    “We are at war. Yes, it began as a special military operation, but as soon as this group was formed there, when the collective West became a participant in this on the side of Ukraine, for us it already became a war. I am convinced of this. And everyone should understand this for their internal mobilization,” he said.

    In fact, Western leaders themselves have long been bluntly calling what is happening in Ukraine a war - an open confrontation between the entire collective West of Russia. A war in which the West not only supplies the Kiev regime with weapons, but also sends its troops there. For now, as mercenaries and vacationers, but the same French President Emmanuel Macron did not rule out sending troops. Moreover, if at first the purpose of their introduction was said to be demining the territory, then the French leader made it clear that they could be sent to the front line with the Russian army.

    What is this if not war? The Kiev regime also made its contribution to the transformation of the Northern Military District into the war. At a time when Russia’s goals were exclusively the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, Vladimir Zelensky refused to make any compromises with Moscow and launched the process of total confrontation. War became the raison d'être of the Ukrainian regime. It deprived the country of its future, but allowed it to mobilize all resources to the front here and now to try to harm Russia.

    It is not surprising that with all this, Moscow was forced to adjust the course of the operation. In addition to demilitarization and denazification, the liberation of new Russian territories has now been added (and these are parts of the once Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions within the borders in which they were part of Ukraine).

    The NWO has de facto turned into a war, which has already become a people's war. A huge number of people help the front, drawing strength from the heroic images of our ancestors, who fought against fascism in Ukraine in 1941–1945. Moreover, the Russian authorities have said more than once or twice that the survival of Russia as a single state depends on the outcome of our actions in Ukraine. The survival of the state cannot depend on the SVO. Or maybe from the war. At the same time, however, Dmitry Peskov clarified that although the Northern Military District “has actually turned into a war” for us, it will remain a “de jure special military operation.” That is, simply put, Russia will not declare war on Ukraine.

    At the same time, one should not expect a softening of the authorities’ attitude towards those people who take a pro-Ukrainian position and discredit the Northern Military District, including by calling it war. Dmitry Peskov asked not to identify his statements with the posts of these characters and suggested looking at the context. Indeed, the Kremlin representative talks about the war as liberation actions - for example, to de-occupy Russian territories and remove threats to Russian Crimea. Pro-Ukrainian activists talk about an unjust war. Which, in fact, is why they are being brought to Russian court.

    Should we now expect a change in the dynamics of combat operations? Quite possibly. In recent months, the Russian army has been actively engaged in separating Ukrainian resources. Forced the Kiev regime to bring its last reserves into battle to stabilize the front, for example, in the Avdeevsky direction. And at the same time, they actively fabled, skandered, daggered and geraniumed all positions of the Ukrainian army, not only at the forefront, but also in the rear. It is not surprising that Ukrainian and Western generals seriously fear that the Russian army will launch large-scale offensive operations against the struggling Ukrainian militants as early as this summer.

    If the military motives of Peskov’s speech are a subject of debate, then the foreign policy reasons for calling the war a war are obvious. Through the mouth of the presidential representative, Moscow is now responding to a number of foreign policy initiatives from both friendly and hostile countries.

    For example, he demonstrates his readiness to go all the way in Ukraine to those who believe that they will be able to intimidate Russia by bringing in NATO troops. Those who are now trying to force the Kremlin to freeze the conflict because the enemy, in the words of Vladimir Putin, is running out of ammunition. There will be no freeze, and Russia is showing its readiness to defend its interests - including responding to Western provocations (for example, the deployment of French troops) with actions from the arsenal of war, and not from the North. The only question is: will Western authorities be able to read these signals? Count and, most importantly, understand.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Mar 23, 2024 1:43 am


    This sucks but Jihadi terrorism is not a new thing

    Focus on war and let the spooks do their thing on Jihadi part

    Eyes on the ball at all times


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    Post  GarryB Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:30 am

    The only plane that could be able to carry a FAB-9000 is the Tu-160.
    If that capability was implemented.

    Exactly. I believe the Tu-22M3 could carry the FAB-5000... possibly in the large internal bay, but perhaps on the wing pylons normally used for the Kh-22M and Kh-32 missiles which are a similar weight, but to use the FAB-9000 in Afghanistan in the 1980s they had to use the Tu-16 because its massive bomb bay was designed to carry enormous nuclear bombs back when they were enormous.

    No they haven't, not until Putin says it. It was a comment by Peskov the press spokesman.

    Yes, from Putin it would have an obvious meaning but from Peskov it appears to be more of a warning about HATO escalating too far because when they scale it up to a war then the gloves are likely to come off and what difference is there HATO troops coming to Ukraine to kill Russians and the Russians attacking the countries those HATO troops came from.

    ▪According to preliminary data, at least 18 S-300 and Iskander missiles hit targets in Kharkov and the region.

    Hahaha... so the S-300s that hit things were weapons that didn't hit Iskanders and were launched by the defence forces in the area... the more of them used up the better, and with Iskander... well it was designed to evade such generation of systems like Patriot and THAAD...

    Armament:
    55/63x "Shahed-136/131" Type Shock Unmanned Aerial Vehicles;
    0/12x OTR "Iskander-M";
    35/40 X-101/X-555 cruise missiles;
    0/5x NKR Kh-22;
    0/7x ARPB Kh-47M2 "Dagger";
    2/2x CAR X-59;
    0/22x ZKR S-300/S-400.

    Any S-300s recovered in the wreckage in Ukraine will be Ukrainian launched, the Russians don't need to use S-300s to hit ground targets... they are rather more useful shooting down aircraft.

    Why do you think Putin will act now when he has not acted before?

    They are in a sort of war in Ukraine so really you can't say Putin has not acted before.

    They know they can incite any kind of terror inside Russia while their own countries remain safe.

    They thought they could overthrow Assad and Russia wouldn't get involved, they thought Georgia could attack its two autonomous regions and Russia was too weak to stop them. They thought they could arm Kiev up to fight its separatist regions in the hope they would go a step further and then attack Crimea and they could help them fight Russia after that.

    They have been wrong so many times it is pathetic and amazing they are still in power because they are clearly morons, yet western propaganda is so powerful they keep their jobs despite pathetic poll ratings simply because in most western countries the alternative is the same or worse.


    I see only talk but no action.

    Yep, blind stupid lashing out like a child... that is the reaction you have been trained to expect because you are from the west.

    That is why when Pakistanis and Saudis attacked the US on 11/9 the US attacked Iraq and invaded Afghanistan... and the man responsible they eventually killed a decade later and he was in Pakistan.

    That cost a trillion dollars and they left the place worse than they found it... which is what happens when children are in charge.

    Justice is only served with a tit-for-tat response. Eye for an eye.

    Again... western programming... an eye for an eye response is not justice, that is revenge.

    You are so sure Putin will do nothing but I am equally sure he will have this investigated to determine who is really responsible so the damage is directed their way as much as possible.

    Moron is getting uppity about sending French troops into the Ukraine and I rather suspect it is not just because he knows the Kiev forces are close to collapse, but also because the Russians have hit a few top Frenchmen in the Ukraine and he wants to send more in to do more damage... the irony is that sending French soldiers in puts them in the line of fire and is exactly what the Russians want.

    No level of super HATO training will stop missiles and artillery and drones from killing you.


    Russia has not benefited anything by trying to "play by the rules" before.

    Except for the support of the Global south and even some within HATO like Hungary and Turkey.

    Soft response only invites more aggression. If you can kill thousands of Russians with Russia only going after a dozen of people the trade off is very poor for Russia.

    HATO support for terrorist acts against civilians... it worked against Israel in the Middle East and it will work against Kiev now.

    How long before Kiev claims they had nothing to do with it and it is Putin and the FSB trying to create a reason to use tactical nukes in the Ukraine.

    World is really like a schoolyard.

    Those who refuse to defend themselves are beaten and bullied.

    Those who hit back are eventually left alone.

    Kids who take their daddies handgun to school and wave it around the place normally get hauled off by the police.

    Over reacting can be worse than not reacting at all.

    Plus with your list you ignore all of putins actual responses, many of which were successful. Russia has a better relationship with Turkey than with any other country in HATO and it wasn't by shooting down a Turkish plane in response... didn't they ban food imports from Turkey for a bit and Turkey realised how important Russia was to their economy and they lightened up a bit... not to mention the US attempt to overthrow him that the Russians helped him with and Turkey is more neutral towards Russia over this conflict than the pretend neutral countries of Europe... Switzerland, Sweden, and Finland.

    Russia needs to respond, like for like, AND a significant sum on top. Whoever it was.
    This shit could have been sorted in 48 hrs or so back in 2014. Instead Russia is pissing around because Putin insisted on pretending to be Gandhi.

    Karl has infected your mind too.... so who shall Russia lash out at?

    We don't even know who did it. Clearly Nuland and a few others knew this sort of thing was going to be happening and didn't warn Russia... remember a while back a few bomb related things were stopped at the border by Georgia and Russia was told about it... not all the west is the problem and Russia needs to be sure they target those responsible accurately.

    I would say an end to Uranium sales to the US to start with... they have been buying more than usual so one can assume they were stocking up on supplies but blocking them will feel good and also free up the Russian companies involved to expand their horizons away from the US market and to the rest of the planet where energy will be useful... perhaps starting with North Korea...

    Even Putin himself now admits that he was betrayed by Merkel and the West.

    You are blaming Putin because that slag Merkel lied to him.... that faggot frog Holland lied too, but of course you blame Putin because Europe is full of lying American controlled censored .

    Without Minsk agreements Ukraine would have been militarily defeated and Russia would have saved tens of thousands of its soldiers lives.

    In 2014 Russia was much less prepared for conflict... they still imported most of their food from the EU and they entered the Syrian conflict in 2015 so there would not have been any experience from that conflict to apply in Ukraine.

    The combination of all the sanctions the west would have imposed all compressed into a much shorter period would have caused vastly more damage to the Russian economy and Russias relations with the other BRICS countries might not have been enough for them to survive as well as they are at the moment.

    They certainly would not have gotten away with tiny number of casualties and would likely not have inflicted as many casualties in return.

    So if and when Russians will find out that the Americans were behind this what do you think Russia will do?

    Obviously they will overthrow Putin and dig up Navalnys body and name him emperor king forever...

    so it was in not ukro the surely western planned

    Wow, what geniuses can see through their amazing web... Americans destroy the gas pipes and blame Kiev, and now Kiev murders some people in a terrorist act and blames the west... if we blame the other person we get away with it right?

    Wrong.

    Russia will get to the bottom of it.

    Frankly, doesn't look like a ukrainian move. Maybe some isolated cells that don't obei Zelensky but I doubt they would allow such attack that would make them loose any support they had and allow russian to level even Kiev.

    Doesn't matter really... several in the west warned of surprises so they knew this was being organised so they are just as guilty as if they had actively had a hand in it or not.

    What puzzles me with this Islamist spin is that Russia's relations with most of the Islamist world are pretty good right now. After all, Russia is NOT particularly pro Israel, and generally believes in letting the Muslim would be left alone. Completely unlike the United Snakes/EU.

    Or it is the US trying to frame Islamists to not only damage Russia and hope they lash out at the Muslim world to perhaps take some pressure off Israel...

    Convendría armar un hilo aparte sobre este incidente, para que no desvíe el tema de la guerra en Ucrania.

    It would be convenient to put together a separate thread about this incident, so that it does not divert the topic of the war in Ukraine.

    This incident is directly linked to the war in the Ukraine... and this is an English language forum... please post in English. Last warning.

    Aren't we still waiting for the 2014 Odessa terrorists and their backers to be liquidated?

    The ones sent to the front line are likely already dead, but you can be sure that any such people and all the others who put stuff online committing crimes are being followed up on and with evidence being collected for any trials that might be started for any survivors.

    this is a provocation, I hope Putin does not give them what they want, namely a war crime. However, heat, electricity, the internet, hot and cold running water, trains, and air travel are not things Ukrainians should have for a few months

    This is not his first rodeo and he knows what he is doing.

    When Russia responds to this it will be targeted to effect those responsible.

    Perhaps it is time the US embassy in Kiev was hit...

    This sucks but Jihadi terrorism is not a new thing

    Focus on war and let the spooks do their thing on Jihadi part

    Investigate and work out what actually happened and why and who was involved and then act accordingly.

    The same people keep demanding and instant over reaction...

    No wonder those are the same people who hate Putin... because he is not a 12 year old girl.

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    Post  lyle6 Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:32 am

    More like yahudi. ISIS only ever strikes isfaek's enemies at the most opportune moments. But sure, the hajis did it. Razz
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:41 am

    Oil refinery in Samara hit by drones.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:54 am

    Finnish social media is full of glee and joy over dead Russians. Mainstream media also has trouble hiding their glee
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Sat Mar 23, 2024 7:03 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    This sucks but Jihadi terrorism is not a new thing

    Focus on war and let the spooks do their thing on Jihadi part

    Eyes on the ball at all times


    Terrorists looked more like white europeans than muslim.
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    Post  sepheronx Sat Mar 23, 2024 7:32 am

    2 more caught and 2 fled into a forest. Getting close to Ukrainian border too as that is where they were fleeing to.

    The Russian authorities released the names and they are all native to Tajikistan. Not surprising really.

    But I wouldn't doubt Ukraine uses these men to do such attacks.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Sat Mar 23, 2024 7:50 am

    sepheronx wrote:2 more caught and 2 fled into a forest.  Getting close to Ukrainian border too as that is where they were fleeing to.

    The Russian authorities released the names and they are all native to Tajikistan.  Not surprising really.

    But I wouldn't doubt Ukraine uses these men to do such attacks.

    I would not put it past kremlin to hide the true identity of attackers. If the kremlin announced that the west or Ukraine is behind the attack they will lose face for not responding.
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    Post  lyle6 Sat Mar 23, 2024 7:56 am

    Putin doesn't give a **** about face, unlike some low IQ morons who do - like you.

    When you're actually doing your actual job face doesn't even come into consideration. You just do it.

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