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    Post  Karl Haushofer Sun Jan 21, 2024 9:26 am

    Donetsk came under shelling again this morning. An apartment building and a market place were destroyed. There are “many dead” per Russian sources.

    One would have thought that after two years of the SMO Donetsk would not have to endure the daily shelling it has been subjected to sinne 2014. But no.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jan 21, 2024 9:40 am

    Kiko wrote:
    A democracy cannot prohibit its civilian citizens from traveling to another country to participate in combat wearing the uniform of that country, Sébastien Lecornu argued
    In a democratic country where there is freedom of press such as Russia can't avoid its military combating in a war but to annihilate aggressive NATO forces supporting a Nazi regime.

    This faggot won't miss not even one opportunity to strike and offend Russia.

    And what's more, the whole statement is utterly bullshit.
    Most of the "democratic countries" prohibit their citizens from carrying duty in other countries' military forces and armed formations, under serious punishment.
    In Poland, a person who won't be granted permission from the MoD commits a crime punished with up to 5 years of detention.
    In Germany, you can't serve in the armed forces not having German citizenship. You can have dual citizenship, yet a German one is mandatory.
    In France, you can't serve in regular armed forces not having citizenship. This is why FL was created, and that is why you get French citizenship after fulfilling your FL contract. To be absorbed into other regular named forces branches.
    In other countries, those laws are being bypassed by creating PMC.
    But it does not change the fact, that serving in regular armed forces units requires citizenship in any civilized European country, and most of them actively prohibit their own citizens from joining other armed forces.
    Those mother#fuckers can't tell the truth even in the simplest and less important matters ... They are so much obsessed and get used to lie all the time. Unbelievable.

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    Post  Kiko Sun Jan 21, 2024 9:53 am

    Threaten Manu's children and grandchildren.

    Following Manu's threat on Russia, Moscow has nothing left to do but threaten in turn his children & grandchildren.


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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sun Jan 21, 2024 10:20 am

    I expect a large wave of Geraniums and missiles as a retaliation for the Donetsk strike.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Sun Jan 21, 2024 10:26 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:I expect a large wave of Geraniums and missiles as a retaliation for the Donetsk strike.
    Nothing will happen

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 21, 2024 10:58 am

    Novatek's gas terminal near St. Petersburg is on fire after a drone attack.

    Gas burns, they will put it out. The reduction of available gas for export will effect Russias customers more than it effects Russia.

    Donetsk came under shelling again this morning. An apartment building and a market place were destroyed. There are “many dead” per Russian sources.

    One would have thought that after two years of the SMO Donetsk would not have to endure the daily shelling it has been subjected to sinne 2014. But no.

    Your country and the rest of the west is funding Kiev to murder civilians and children and damage things... shouldn't you be asking why your tax dollars go to such things that if they happened to your country would be considered a terrorist attack?

    Threaten Manu's children and grandchildren.

    Following Manu's threat on Russia, Moscow has nothing left to do but threaten in turn his children & grandchildren.

    Just further evidence that they are losing and they know it and they are getting desperate... not a time for Russia to take their foot off the pedal really.

    Nothing will happen

    Not nothing but the Russians and the Russian military are not animals like the west and the Ukraine leadership... they will find where the attack was planned and launched from and target those military targets over the next week or two and they will record everything for the trials at the end of this conflict...

    The longer they keep fighting the worse their deal will become... keep fighting by all means...

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    Post  Kiko Sun Jan 21, 2024 11:08 am

    Manu is a childless President. His is an unfruitful matrimony.
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    Post  lancelot Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:06 pm

    Kiko wrote:Manu is a childless President. His is an unfruitful matrimony.
    I think he has a brother and sister though. Not that he probably cares. He seems to be one of those self-absorbed people.
    He is basically a Rothschild family puppet anyway. Whatever he says and does has little consequence.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jan 21, 2024 1:06 pm

    Reality finally gaining traction in Wall Street?

    Zelensky returned from Davos empty-handed - the Ukrainian conflict scares away investors from Wall Street

    Zelensky, who faced a “financial war hell,” returned from Davos empty-handed, the New York Post reports.

    As the publication notes, Wall Street has shown great interest in investing in Ukraine, but last week the heads of the world's largest investment structures, after a meeting with Zelensky, did not make a single serious commitment.

    It is the Ukrainian conflict that prevents Wall Street from fully opening its wallet.

    “Simply put, the problem is this: investors know that bombed tech startups will not generate any return on capital,” the article says.

    At the same time, as the article notes, during negotiations behind closed doors, Zelensky may have further aggravated his difficult situation.

    “That means there won’t be any private money coming in any significant amount any time soon,” the New York Post concluded.
    https://t.me/rezident_ua/21

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    Post  Kiko Sun Jan 21, 2024 1:07 pm

    Since in Davos we came personal, then let's get it personal:

    Paris came up with a ruse to deny the death of French mercenaries in Ukraine, by Valeria Verbinina for VZGLYAD. 01.21.2024.

    France categorically denies that French mercenaries are fighting on the side of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. This was the official response of Paris to statements by the Russian Ministry of Defense about the extermination of dozens of French citizens in Kharkov. In this denial, however, there is a certain trick and cunning associated with who exactly the French consider to be mercenaries.

    In the middle of the week, on January 18, the Ministry of Defense issued a statement that a group of mercenaries, mainly French, had been destroyed in a targeted strike in the city of Kharkov. Moreover, the group was very respectable - about 60 people died and about two dozen were injured of varying degrees of severity. The French Ambassador in Moscow was summoned to the Russian Foreign Ministry, and information about the incident was published in all French media.

    It would seem that French society should be interested in the fate of its compatriots who died in a foreign country. At the very least, ask yourself what they were doing there and whether the game was worth the trouble. But it's not that simple.

    Mercenary activity is prohibited in many countries around the world, and France is no exception: there it is punishable by up to five years in prison and a fine of up to 75 thousand euros.

    For the organizers of this type of activity, the numbers are even higher - seven years in prison and a 100 thousand euro fine. Nevertheless, the law has its own subtleties and limitations: the French would not be French if they did not take care to spell out many nuances that, if desired, can be turned to their advantage.

    For example, the law on punishment for mercenary activities does not apply to military advisers and technical personnel, as well as to legionnaires involved in the French army. Moreover, the wording of the law is such that it is not difficult to circumvent them. Only “direct participation in hostilities” is prohibited, and even “with weapons in hand” and “for the purpose of receiving monetary reward.”

    If someone, for example, undergoes training in order to actually become a mercenary, the law turns a blind eye to this, since there is no direct participation in hostilities with weapons in hand. And in general, maybe a person decided to get additional education out of pure curiosity - what if he someday needs to fight off good neighbors with a grenade launcher where he lives. If the office in which the citizen was recruited is registered on some distant islands (or, say, in the USA), the law will also not necessarily consider him a mercenary. Especially if he subsequently takes care to be listed only as a military expert.

    As for the message from the Russian Ministry of Defense, it really caused a great resonance in France, but, so to speak, in a typically French style. For example, the first channel of French television, TF1, reacted in an exemplary manner. The first thing he does is cast doubt on the source of the news: “The information provided should be treated with caution, as it cannot be confirmed in the near future by any independent source.”

    And in general, French journalists emphasize, Russia cannot be trusted. Moscow supposedly has its own reasons for inflating French losses in the media field, since France has declared its desire to expand the range of military supplies for Ukraine and is persistently pushing the line that it will support it no matter what happens.

    Having questioned the source of the news, a figure is then brought forward to play the role of expert for the public. In this case, it is a certain Xavier Titelman, introduced as a “former military pilot.” He starts right off the bat: the message from the Russian Ministry of Defense allegedly “is an absolute lie,” since the French who are in Ukraine gather in groups not based on citizenship, but in accordance with their military specialties.

    And even more than that: allegedly Xavier Titelman personally contacted representatives of these groups - of which, according to him, there are only five (UAV specialists, “elite shooters” and three more groups that the speaker did not want to specify). Everyone seems to be alive and well, no one is killed or even injured.

    In a word, everything is fine, the beautiful marquise, and her fellow citizens have nothing to worry about.

    Titelman is echoed by Colonel Michel Goya, who often appears on French television and gives newspaper interviews as a military expert. If you believe the colonel’s words , “not a single Frenchman has been killed in recent months,” and in general the statement by the Russian Ministry of Defense is supposedly just part of an information war designed to destabilize the situation in Europe on the eve of the European Parliament elections.

    However, the most revealing thing is the immediate reaction of the authorities of the Fifth Republic. The French Foreign Ministry made it clear that there are no mercenaries on the territory of Ukraine, just as there are none in other countries. There are none, and that’s it. Even if there is, as they say, reinforced concrete evidence that the French are fighting on the side of the Ukrainians, there are no traces of any mercenaries. The explanation for this is the very law that presents so many loopholes and so many possibilities of interpretation.

    When asked directly about the presence of French mercenaries in Ukraine, French Foreign Minister Stephane Sejournet answered with a categorical no. “Our ambassador in Moscow was summoned to the Foreign Ministry on this issue. This is a way to periodically put pressure on European states. This is one of Russia’s gross manipulations to which we are accustomed,” the minister said.

    The statement of the French Foreign Ministry may seem strange, to put it mildly, but, from the French point of view, there is nothing strange in it, just as there are no words of untruth. The fact is that a mercenary, as expert Patrick Sos explains , is a person who agrees to fight for anyone in order to receive money for his activities. And the French military legally fight as part of the International Legion on the side of the Ukrainians and do it “not for money.”

    Their status, from the point of view of the French authorities, is not that of a mercenary. In other words, no matter how much they are called mercenaries in Russia or anywhere else, in their homeland they are not considered mercenaries.

    And if so, the French Foreign Ministry feels within its right to answer that no mercenaries died, because for the French authorities, French citizens fighting in Ukraine are not mercenaries. There are no mercenaries there, period. Well, yes, there are five groups of some kind, including UAV specialists, but none of them were even injured. And in general, these are not mercenaries, they are not for money. Because the French state knows better who is for money and who is pure unmercenary. Especially the latter include drone specialists and “elite shooters.”

    As a matter of fact, this is precisely what was confirmed by French Defense Minister Sebastian Lecornu. “There are French civilians who went to fight in Ukrainian uniforms. But we, as a democratic country, cannot ban them,” said the French Minister of Defense. According to him , such a ban is impossible, since these French citizens are not career military personnel and have no connection with French military structures.

    Yes, it was Kozma Prutkov who once came up with the immortal “if you read the inscription “buffalo” on an elephant’s cage, don’t believe your eyes.” In France, if “buffalo” is written on an elephant’s cage, they will think that this means it’s necessary. And no matter how much you try to prove that it is an elephant and that the inscription is not substantive, they will not listen to you. This is their cage, their elephant and their classification. And if they classified the elephant as a buffalo, so be it.

    https://vz.ru/world/2024/1/21/1249510.html

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jan 21, 2024 1:22 pm

    One suspects that there is a corruption motive somewhere in thsi.

    Ukraine stole property of Belarusian company for more than $61m

    The State Bureau of Investigation of Ukraine reported the transfer of 412 wagons with 26,000 tonnes of Belarusian metal structures to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which, according to the SBI, were "stuck" in the customs control zone of Odessa.

    The metal had entered Ukraine before the conflict in Ukraine and was destined for EU countries.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:46 pm

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    Success in Krakhmalnoye, the 1st GTA kicked off 2024 with the first successful penetration into the administrative border of Kharkov region

    As of now troops of 1st GTA are developing their advance towards Berestovoe, where the Ukrainian army will be forced to pull reserves to defend against the advance

    Well it is good news

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    Now to expand on the success of fighters of Avdeevka, Russian troops have indeed broken into the "royal hunt" to the south of the city

    Premature reports of the arrival of troops to the center of the city are exaggerated, but there is a good advance in the southern part of the city

    The Russian army has entered Avdeevka

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    Post  mnztr Sun Jan 21, 2024 5:00 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:Donetsk came under shelling again this morning. An apartment building and a market place were destroyed. There are “many dead” per Russian sources.

    One would have thought that after two years of the SMO Donetsk would not have to endure the daily shelling it has been subjected to sinne 2014. But no.

    Meh, at this point I think Russia allows it to a degree. If you are allowing supplies to flow in, not conducting deep interdiction strikes, not blowing up rail lines then you are accepting this is gonna happen and maybe it has political value for recruiting etc,
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    Post  lyle6 Sun Jan 21, 2024 5:20 pm

    If I was planning on making a case for wiping out all of Russia's enemies once and for all with unholy nuclear fire and **** the collateral damage - this is how I will do it. Just saying.

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    Post  mnztr Sun Jan 21, 2024 5:23 pm

    lyle6 wrote:If I was planning on making a case for wiping out all of Russia's enemies once and for all with unholy nuclear fire and **** the collateral damage - this is how I will do it. Just saying.

    Well then the same would happen to Russia, so how is that a win?
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sun Jan 21, 2024 6:05 pm

    Any truth to the claim of Zaluzhny being sacked and Budanov taking over his position?
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Jan 21, 2024 6:38 pm

    Ukraine yet again attacked a market in Donetsk killing about 25 people.

    I'm wondering, those who are documenting everything, has anyone documented a full list, including index with photos/videos, of said atrocities for future use?

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sun Jan 21, 2024 6:43 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Ukraine yet again attacked a market in Donetsk killing about 25 people.

    I'm wondering, those who are documenting everything, has anyone documented a full list, including index with photos/videos, of said atrocities for future use?
    I know that the total death toll from the shelling of Donetsk is over 14,000 since 2014.
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    Post  Kiko Sun Jan 21, 2024 6:56 pm

    Let the dogs bark, Sancho, it's a sign that we're moving forward.
    Cervantes's Don Quixote.

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    Post  nomadski Sun Jan 21, 2024 8:53 pm






    I think it immoral to carry on with a war using human wave assaults , against superior firepower , knowing the war can not be won . This also shows a distinct Ukrainian sense of national identity . Their willingness to throw themselves over a cliff , like lemmings and commits mass suicide , can not simply be explained by being brain- washed by the Orcs alone . Although it may have started that way !

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    Post  Belisarius Sun Jan 21, 2024 9:10 pm

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sun Jan 21, 2024 9:12 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Ukraine yet again attacked a market in Donetsk killing about 25 people.

    I'm wondering, those who are documenting everything, has anyone documented a full list, including index with photos/videos, of said atrocities for future use?



    Considering that the crypto-Ukrainian Putin is in charge, do not expect something like that to take place.



    http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html

    http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/460/land-zamosc-zamojszczyzna-1942-1944

    https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/over-100000-slaughtered-with-axes-pitchforks-scythes-and-knives-the-wolyn-massacre-started-76-years-ago-today-and-lasted-for-two-years-6714


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    Post  Hole Sun Jan 21, 2024 9:36 pm

    To Belisarius: Your second pic suggests that they can be defeated. Very Happy

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sun Jan 21, 2024 9:39 pm

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Ukraine yet again attacked a market in Donetsk killing about 25 people.

    I'm wondering, those who are documenting everything, has anyone documented a full list, including index with photos/videos, of said atrocities for future use?



    Considering that the crypto-Ukrainian Putin is in charge, do not expect something like that to take place.



    http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html

    http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/460/land-zamosc-zamojszczyzna-1942-1944

    https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/over-100000-slaughtered-with-axes-pitchforks-scythes-and-knives-the-wolyn-massacre-started-76-years-ago-today-and-lasted-for-two-years-6714



    1. I still am not seeing how Putin is Crypto Ukrainian, if he was he would have just let NATO have the country and Crimea too. What I do see is a man who is trying to be humanitarian when he needs to be ruthless. Now if its ruthlessness you want, well I think he is slowly evolving in that direction. Certainly if Ukraine and NATO keep hitting civilian infrastructure and targets far removed from the front and that have nothing to do with the prosecution of the war, then he certainly will be more ruthless.

    2. You do prove my hypothesis of what will happen in Russia if the west ever gets their dream of regime change in Moscow. It will be their worst nightmare because those who would decolonize aka dismantle Russia and sell it off piecemeal to western oligarchs (something that has been a Eurotrash and Amerinazi wet dream since the end of the Cold War) such as Navalny would not be those the Russians would install in the event of regime change. No, they'd replace Putin, who is very pragmatic and and very calm, with an ultra nationalist who would take the rest of Ukraine and invade the Baltic states too and dare NATO to do anything about it.

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