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    Post  Godric Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:42 am

    jon_deluxe wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:
    Russkie presented an extreme pragmatism with this conflict. I am seriously impressed, as didn't expect them to be so much cynical.
    Only by extrapolation, I would say they give a round shit about that.
    In the final form, 404 will be a wasteland anyway. There is nothing in the western part of it that can sustain any kind of dreams of power.
    There is no farming, no industry, no resources, but last but not least - there will be no people.
    It will represent a shithole populated by some 8 mln people, where Bulgaria can be called a superpower in contrast.

    Ironically, the only future Ukraine could have is with Russia. The West has shown they don't give a shit about Ukraine and that they'd gladly sacrifice every single Ukrainian man, woman and child to exhaust Russian resources just a tiny bit. The only country who could be interested in rebuilding the wasteland formerly known as Ukraine after the war is over is Russia, just like they are revitalising the areas newly integrated into the Russian Federation.

    America has gotten what it set out to do after Putin announced the Vladivostok to Lisbon free trade zone in 2012, and that was to separate the Russian Federation from the EU as they feared they were losing control over the EU, thus using Ukraine as a wedge to divide the EU from the Russian Federation, the 2nd part was to incite Russia to invade Ukraine, it took 8 years of attacks on urban areas of Donbas, acts of terrorism/kidnapping/assassinations and the use of illegal munitions against urban areas and it took Biden's threats to make Ukraine a NATzO member and threat to put nukes in Ukraine for Putin and Russia to act. America's/Biden 3rd part failed ie isolate RF on the international stage instead it's backfired massively on America and NATzO nations

    the truth is Biden is not the President of America it's the leaders of the US military Complex, they call the shots, when O'Bama appointed Biden as his running mate overnight his campaign was flooded with donations just like Dick Cheney was there man when George W Bush was president

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:16 am

    Front #Summary for 28 Nov 2023 by 19:01:zap:

    🔹In #Kherson Direction, localised fighting continues in #Krynki, our forces storming AFU positions. Local reports say that the Russian Army is building up its forces at the #Poyma - #Krynki line, while the enemy's artillery is not so active due to the weather. Attempts by our military to eliminate the AFU footholds cannot be ruled out. At #Poyma itself another Ukrainian SRG was hit during an attempted sortie.

    🔹In #Zaporozhye Direction, after a slight improvement in weather conditions, the AFU artillery is working very powerfully. Ours note the highest density of strikes. Under the cover of fire the enemy is trying to advance near #Verbovoye, ours are holding the defence. At #Rabotino our fighters captured AFU militants, their equipment got bogged down in the mud during the retreat. New attempts by the enemy to attack near #Rabotino and #Novoprokopovka were again unsuccessful.

    🔹In #SouthDonetsk Direction, our forces are pushing the AFU out of the landings at the #Priyutnoye - #Staromayorskoye line, with the initiative on our side. Over the past few days, our forces have managed to take control of important heights, worsening the enemy's position. For this reason, the AFU is transferring reinforcements from the #Kherson direction to these lines.

    🔹In #Donetsk Direction, on the southern #Avdeyevka flank. the Russian army took full control of the village of #Vinogradniki, the AFU withdrew behind the quarry to the northwest. Now the industrial zone bridgehead is reinforced from the south. Reports about the approach to #Severnoye are somewhat ahead of the events, according to the latest data to the village remained about 1 km. On the northern flank of the AFU, we again tried to counterattack in #Stepovoye, but our attempts were repulsed. Ukrainian channels say that according to the military the defence of #Avdeyevka is pointless, but Zelensky allegedly demands to hold the city no matter what.

    🔹In #Bakhmut Direction, on the southern flank, our army continues to storm the heights near #Kleshcheyevka, the AFU is still holding on, heavy fighting is ongoing. Our artillery tries to prevent the enemy from bringing in reinforcements. At #Khromovo, the Russian assaults are also not yielding tangible results yet, but our military has the initiative.

    🔹In #Svatovo Direction, fierce fighting near #Sinkovka continues. Our forces again tried to enter the territory of the village, which is destroyed. It is difficult to keep its territory under control, so the fighting is shifting southeastwards to #Orlyanka and #Pervomayskoye towards #Petropavlovka.

    💥In #Odessa Region, a strike on a Neptune launching complex is reported. It would be good if the information would be confirmed.


    https://t.me/sitreports/18723

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    Post  Belisarius Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:34 am

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    🇷🇺⚔🇺🇦🇩🇪 First footage of German Leopard 1A5 on the Kupyansk front.

    The tank was presumably hit by Russian artillery and then abandoned by the crew.

    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/93866?single

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:39 am

    kvs wrote:Larry Johnson claims Russian KIA of 70-100 thousand.   At the same time you never hear anything about Ukr losses over 400,000.  
    I do not know where he gets his numbers from.   Looks to me like it is just a doubling of the Mediazona estimate with extra fluff
    thrown in.    You can bet your last centavo that the Mediazona figures are high end and not low end.   

    Correct

    Mediazona has the most trusted numbers, because they are getting those from Russian social media

    Through obituaries, postings of KIA, MOD information, funerals etc.

    There is no other source which has any capacity to accurately estimate those numbers because mediazona is in fact the only liberal outlet which has access to both information in Russia, and which has a vested interest to verify and provide evidence of casualties

    The other thing is , mediazona is overreporting actual military losses, compared to prisoner (project K ) losses

    In fact there is little data for this, because Wagner forbade disclosure of most information on its operations

    The MOD will eventually release official numbers, and they will be less than mediazona

    Although mediazona is decent to see spikes in casualties and that is all

    It's allocation of losses based on service branch is Okay, but unverified

    It's just a guide which confirms the extent to which artillery troops are definitely inflicting the most casualties and on the receiving end of it as well
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    Post  d_taddei2 Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:59 am

    mnztr wrote:This ammo shortage is very reminiscent of the collapse of the German eastern front. First a stall, then very tight ammo supplies. Then a fighting retreat,  gradually deteriorating into a rout.

    And with recent USA pitiful aid of $200mn which is very small when u compare it to previous aid packages, that's doesn't get you much, and Europe and USA still struggling to produce ammo, the ammo situation will get extremely dire shortly, the only thing that will be saving Ukraines bacon is the weather. Once weather gets better in a few months Ukrainian front will collapse and all ammo will be stored in Kiev waiting for an assault.
    I still think a Russian/Wagner force pushing into the area west of Kiev is a good idea it doesn't have to be massive but enough to cut supplies and panic Kiev into sending forces from the eastern front back to Kiev. Because any resistance in western Ukraine will be from forced conscripts consisting of teenagers, the elderly and women all of which have zero experience and many won't even be willing to fight.

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    Post  kvs Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:28 am

    I think western Ukria is not going to amount to much in terms of the war. Their control of the regime and the mass propaganda campaign since
    the 1990s has enabled them to use residents of central and eastern Ukraine as cannon fodder. But they will not sacrifice when they run out
    of the "Russified" meat. Western Ukria is a smelly wet fart. I think now that Russia should slap them around to oblivion. They deserve
    severe abuse. They will either run away or submit.

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    Post  sepheronx Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:21 am

    Most of Ukraine is lost. If it wasn't they would have revolted against their leadership. They just smelled their own farts for so long that was fed to them by the US, that now they are just only realizing that they are screwed for most part but still willingly going to go die.

    So even if Russia takes it all, it will be a long drawn out process of re-integration and denazification that they will face a ton of terrorist attacks.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:37 am

    When I mentioned west of of Kiev I meant just west of Kiev city not whole of western Ukraine. This as I mentioned would cut supplies and force Kiev to send pull troops from elsewhere. It's never a good idea for armed forces to go into full blown orc territory have hostile civilians who would only try to provoke a war crime isn't worth it.

    Once the main front has weakened manpower by Kiev having to send forces back the eastern front would largely collapse. Ukraine would have the time or chance to create such a defensive line elsewhere that could replicate what they had in Donbass. Russia would have to ensure Odessa was seized fairly quickly to stop a Ukrainian offensive in Transnistria done purely out spite. I would hope Transnistria have been training, preparing, recruiting for such a potential attack.

    What would actually be worse for Ukraine would be an attack from the area immediately west of Kiev city taking the airport, while another larger force invaded into Sumy/ chernihiv, this would not only cut supply lines twice, but isolate Kiev city, and stop any reinforcements coming to Kiev front eastern front, and all the while having a force advancing to the edge of the city from the west and swing around the south. This would severely weaken Ukraine stance and leave the country feeling in a more dire situation than it already has, the force wouldn't enter Kiev but by remaining on the outskirts and having some AD systems in place would leave zelensky no route of escape. Then hopefully his forces hang him out to dry.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:04 am

    That´s why Russia should rather turn Lviv into a depopulated wasteland instead of letting it turn into an "independent" rump Ukraine.
    If a single village in western Banderaland would join NATO/EU the West would claim victory.

    Stopped listening to what the west claims, that doesn't really matter, Kiev wanted Donbass and Lugansk to allow Kiev troops to patrol their border with Russia and to have autonomy but mostly follow their rules... Russia can pull out the Minsk agreement they prefer and use that as a basis for a new agreement with what remains of the Ukraine... of course Germany and France have proven untrustworthy and so has the US so they wont be a party to the agreement at all.

    This is going to end when Ukraines army collapses and their "government" in the US embassy shuts up shop and flees to the west along with Ukrainian MPs et al.

    There is no negotiations with the west that make any sense.


    Russkie presented an extreme pragmatism with this conflict. I am seriously impressed, as didn't expect them to be so much cynical.

    I suspect like Hitler, that Putin expected the corrupt system of the Ukraine would collapse when they stepped into the country, and to be fair after about a month or two they did, but after spending 20 years talking to the west about what Russia and the West could achieve as partners, he suddenly realised what scum they really are and about how they saw this conflict of their creation as an opportunity to get rid of Putin and really damage Russia and Russians by destroying their armed forces and their economy.

    I am very sure Putin and Lavrov are under no illusions that the west are the good guys any more, they have even stated that they are pretty much done with the west and it is up to the west to come to them with concessions or there will be no talks. Russia will not be making any concessions because they have already paid an enormous price in blood and resources.

    This is what Russia really needed to turn away from the west and realise there is actually more money and wealth in the rest of the world and that the west got wealthy by being bastards so there is no hope they will see Russia as an equal or China or India or any other country... they don't even see Turkey as part of the west really, despite using them for their useful geopolitical location.

    The west has stagnant old economies that are mostly smoke and mirrors and not based on anything... where a loan counts as income and paying debt is counted as part of your economy, the west is a sham, and Russia would do well to keep as far from them as it can.

    No need to talk to the EU, they can buy their gas via Turkey or by ship.

    Once the Eastern Pukraine collapses, the Western Pukraine will be relatively easy. So you wonder... should Russia have just gone West to begin with?

    No. Their tactics were excellent. No need to take great swaths of territory and then sit by as small bands of nazis mount a guerilla war against your supply lines like the Afghans have been doing to HATO the last 20 years.

    Meat grinder to kill off their best and brightest and then when their military collapses then find worthy Ukrainians you can talk to to sort out its future.

    Particularly the " Destroy all military infrastructure . " Military related infrastructure : Bridges , Power , Rail , Road , Airfield , Communication , TV , Radio , Internet , Industry , Warship , Tunnels , Military and political apparatus and leadership .

    When the enemy military and political leadership decided a course and tactics that allowed Russia to grind meat effectively and efficiently then don't attack the leadership of the military or the political leadership because if that is broken you don't want it fixed.

    There will come to a point where factions will start to assert that change is needed, now some will be pro US and pro EU and pro nazi, but there will be factions in there that are pro peace and anti war which is probably about as pro Russia as you are going to get without executions.

    When they start to fight amongst themselves openly you know it has started and you see a few heads popping up and saying things aren't working already.

    Russians have done surprisingly little in this regard.

    If you blow up a truck with ammo on it then you don't know where it was going. If you track that truck and watch where it goes then over time you can work out where it gets ammo and supplies from and where it takes them... after it has made a dozen trips you should know the different places it gets ammo from and the different weapon and ammo and fuel caches it takes them to... blowing up an entire weapon dump is very satisfying and more effective than hitting a couple of trucks, because when you hit a couple of trucks they start using more clever ways of moving the loads like in buses or perhaps horse floats.

    Stuff will always get through but knowing where they are keeping it for distribution is useful, but at some stage it just makes sense to destroy all the large motor vehicles.

    First footage of German Leopard 1A5 on the Kupyansk front.

    That image previously posted on this thread showing a T-62 covered in ERA and with cage armour and camouflage, it was the thumbnail for a video on YT I didn't watch but it was a report by the Daily Fail and claimed Old Russian tanks were getting weighed down by all the extra armour and equipment they are putting on them which is making them sink in the mud and ruin their power to weight ratio, and we look at this Leopard I that hasn't even been painted in camouflage paint let alone add on armour and ERA and Cage armour etc etc. Sending them in naked...

    I still think a Russian/Wagner force pushing into the area west of Kiev is a good idea it doesn't have to be massive but enough to cut supplies and panic Kiev into sending forces from the eastern front back to Kiev. Because any resistance in western Ukraine will be from forced conscripts consisting of teenagers, the elderly and women all of which have zero experience and many won't even be willing to fight.

    Expect that might be something they might do, but I suspect they will be very careful with their timing to get the absolute best effect from it... large amounts of forces moving from the front line back towards Kiev would be like the Iraqi retreat from Kuwait that the US forces slaughtered from the air.

    So even if Russia takes it all, it will be a long drawn out process of re-integration and denazification that they will face a ton of terrorist attacks.

    To be fair I thought that about Chechnia and Dagestan... but really... not so much... you separate out the rich and powerful and those with influence and you work out which you can work with and which are dogshit. They don't have to love Russia to cooperate.

    But they do need to understand it was the US and EU that dropped them in the shit and pushed their heads under while trying to keep their own boots clean.

    This was never about saving Ukraine, it was about selling weapons and making huge amounts of money by selling old stocks of ammo and weapons at brand new prices and doubling the brand new prices for new build stuff and getting weapons and ammo production contracts for the next 30 years.... if you had shares in arms companies this was a good war for you.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:25 am

    sepheronx wrote:So even if Russia takes it all, it will be a long drawn out process of re-integration and denazification that they will face a ton of terrorist attacks.

    Where will these "partisans" come from?  Any Ukropi who wants to fight Russians has had nearly 2 years to volunteer and get to the front. Once the Ukrowermacht is finally broken and the Kiev regime collapses (or better yet, eradicated with extreme prejudice)  I expect organised resistance will likely collapse.  Those left alive will be too concerned about getting enough food or keeping warm to worry about things like picking up a gun and joining the illustrious ranks of the 1M+ bandera war dead.  Treat the Ukies like the Germans were treated after WW2/GPW.  Anyone who hopes to work in government, the media, the (new) military/police, run a business, or be in the public eye in any serious way must demonstrate an ideological adversion to the Bandera movement.  Refuse, and you end up on the scrap heap of what is left of Ukie society - no job, no money, and facing legal charges of extremism if you are too stupid to STFU. Couple this with war crimes trials and a full scale exposure of the crimes of the Banderites as was done with the Nazis.  Shame the general public who supported the Ukrop nationalists by confronting them with what they have done.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:32 am

    Belisarius wrote:[First footage of German Leopard 1A5 on the Kupyansk front.

    The tank was presumably hit by Russian artillery and then abandoned by the crew.

    Top photo is more recent - there is an additional shell crater, presumably from Russian fire looking to finish it off.

    Pity...  It would have looked nice in Kubinka to go with the other Nazi tank trophies.  I'd put it next to the Pz.Kpfw III & IV cuz this dinky little box doesn't deserve to be in the company of the Tiger I or Panthers  Twisted Evil

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    Post  jon_deluxe Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:53 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:Part of the reason, probably the main one, for the rapprochment Russia and the DPRK is geopolitics.  Russia doesn't really need arty shells, but she does want to stick a finger into the eye of the neocons and their feckless satraps.  NK will be glad to engage in some export sales and work towards getting the murkan monkey off its back.  Rekindling old (and long neglected) ties with past allies is something that Russia needs to do more of, and peeling back the sanctions and economic isolation of an old ally that the arrogant West has long thought of as isolated and irrelevent will not go down well within the Washington beltway or the hallowed halls of Thinktankistan.  Let those feckless bastards choke on their angst... Twisted Evil

    Also the DPRK probably has its artillery stocks full to the brim and there is no immediate threat of a conflict in the Korean peninsula, so they can part with them. The Koreans get to export some of their older shells which were otherwise just accumulating dust in their ammo dumps, the Russians get some ready-to-use shells from a proven source. It's win-win for both parties.

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    Post  sepheronx Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:00 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:So even if Russia takes it all, it will be a long drawn out process of re-integration and denazification that they will face a ton of terrorist attacks.

    Where will these "partisans" come from?  Any Ukropi who wants to fight Russians has had nearly 2 years to volunteer and get to the front. Once the Ukrowermacht is finally broken and the Kiev regime collapses (or better yet, eradicated with extreme prejudice)  I expect organised resistance will likely collapse.  Those left alive will be too concerned about getting enough food or keeping warm to worry about things like picking up a gun and joining the illustrious ranks of the 1M+ bandera war dead.  Treat the Ukies like the Germans were treated after WW2/GPW.  Anyone who hopes to work in government, the media, the (new) military/police, run a business, or be in the public eye in any serious way must demonstrate an ideological adversion to the Bandera movement.  Refuse, and you end up on the scrap heap of what is left of Ukie society - no job, no money, and facing legal charges of extremism if you are too stupid to STFU. Couple this with war crimes trials and a full scale exposure of the crimes of the Banderites as was done with the Nazis.  Shame the general public who supported the Ukrop nationalists by confronting them with what they have done.

    Russia already has a problem with sympathizers within its own country, and then Jihadists. In Ukraine? Oh my there will be countless who are a problem.

    At that point, once the war is over, Russia should syphon some of that big money in the military towards the intelligence agency and the Rosgvardia in order to then control the population in the new gained areas.

    Or start to push the people who will be a problem out.

    But never estimate foreign money. Still gets syphoned into the country somehow to create partisans.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:05 am

    Czech Republic Defense Minister Jana Cernochova has revealed that the country’s stockpiles for aiding Ukraine are nearly exhausted, prompting plans to engage private companies for continued weapons and ammunition support. The Defense Ministry’s recent report detailed that donations to Ukraine now totaled $54.1 million (paid for by Denmark), leaving little left for its own defense. ‘There are not many items of military material that we could send to Ukraine,’ she said, adding that she would turn to the private sector to boost exports.

    Despite challenges, Prague has contributed significantly to Ukraine in relative terms, supplying infantry vehicles, tanks, pistols, rifles, machine guns, and sniper rifles. The move to reduce government exports follows neighbor Slovakia’s blocking of weapon donations to Ukraine, and is part of a broader trend in NATO, with countries facing depleted stockpiles as Ukraine scrambles for ammunition.

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    Post  lancelot Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:22 am

    jon_deluxe wrote:Also the DPRK probably has its artillery stocks full to the brim and there is no immediate threat of a conflict in the Korean peninsula, so they can part with them. The Koreans get to export some of their older shells which were otherwise just accumulating dust in their ammo dumps, the Russians get some ready-to-use shells from a proven source. It's win-win for both parties.
    I would say that after the DPRK got their nukes the need for massive conventional artillery barrages isn't as important as it used to be.

    And then there is this thing:
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    A 600mm MLRS in which the rockets can have nuclear warheads.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:47 am

    jon_deluxe wrote:
    Ironically, the only future Ukraine could have is with Russia. The West has shown they don't give a shit about Ukraine and that they'd gladly sacrifice every single Ukrainian man, woman and child to exhaust Russian resources just a tiny bit. The only country who could be interested in rebuilding the wasteland formerly known as Ukraine after the war is over is Russia, just like they are revitalising the areas newly integrated into the Russian Federation.

    The west - EU in this case - showed that to them back in 2013. Or even earlier.
    The sad truth is, it was not a case of Yanuk running havoc and breaking a brokered&booked deal, but the details of this deal that made it break event point.
    It was a decade ago, and most of the people's attention and focus equals the one golden fish represents, that is why there are so many issues with that.
    EU proposed Ukraine export quotas being an equivalent of their weekly export, in some cases. Requiring opening the market.
    As soon as Putin cleared that there is no way that Ukraine would open its market for subsidized EU production, being a member of EEC and having a whole exSU market wide open, things got crystal clear.
    Yanuk did the sole thing that any patriot would have done - a 180 deg turn.
    The whole maidan thing, has its two phases either.
    The first one was brokered by the EU officials, and happened before mass shooting began.
    Yanuk was de facto persuaded to everything the opposition demanded, including early elections which he was not supposed to take part. But the most important, he granted a constitutional changes pushing more power&money to the regions.
    This phase was interrupted by Murican intervention, and increasing violence and hostilities.
    It was no other than Mrs. Nuland involved, and the card they have played was the nationalistic one - not the first time in the history being a tool in bloody Anglosaxon hands.
    The culmination of this phase, was no other than Obama calling Putin, asking him to convince Yanuk not to use force against protesters, and withdraw Berkut and heavy police units from the streets. He promised to calm down the moods on his side, convincing Putin to cooperate. And Putin did.
    Literally a day after, organized nazi units unleashed hell on the streets, including killing their own in a false flag operation.
    The very last moment was when Yanuk fled to Charkov, assisted by the governors, and called Putin to intervene - which the other denied.
    Ukraine was just a tool, used as a condome by the west, to inflict more damage to Russia itself. It was the last stage of Putin's foolish, or naive idee fix that Russia will collaborate with Europe.
    But again, it must be considered in a wider perspective, because Europe was a target of US carried operation, too.
    The irony is, that US sadly achieved most of their goals in this operation, which Russia could stop only by a mass sacrifice of its soldier on the field.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:34 am

    Jon deluxe wrote:Also the DPRK probably has its artillery stocks full to the brim and there is no immediate threat of a conflict in the Korean peninsula, so they can part with them. The Koreans get to export some of their older shells which were otherwise just accumulating dust in their ammo dumps, the Russians get some ready-to-use shells from a proven source. It's win-win for both parties.

    Yes and also it is absolutely not a problem for Russia if they can get for cheap some ammunition that otherwise will just be in the deposits till expire date.

    Same thing is also for some additional drones and missiles from Iran.

    Russia can continue producing them, but in this case does not need to divert too many resources away from civilian production, or converting other plants to just produce an excess of old shells and ammo (and possibly also missiles) that will become redundant (the plants I mean) after the SMO, since the previous capabilities are more than enough to restock the deposit when not having a war at the same time.

    Furthermore since both North Korea and Iran had a lot less things to concentrate on than Russia, there could be some niches (like it was the cases of some Iranian drones) where their products have some advantages.

    Russia could learn from those as well.

    And finally at least it gives Russia a way to get something useful from those countries and allow a trade.

    North Korea could also trade shells and missiles in exchange of Tu-214 aircrafts and maintenance support.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:10 am

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:22 am

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    🇺🇦 Ukrainian Armed Forces militants lost satellite communications over the LDPR and the Kharkov region.

    Elon Musk's Starlink turned off the Internet due to the Pentagon's debt to its subsidiary, reports Vladimir Rogov.

    Along the Dnieper and beyond, the Internet is supported, but the speed is significantly reduced, and in the Nikolaev and Kherson regions it often disappears.

    It's time for the Ukrainian Armed Forces militants to pay the bills. - FRWL reports
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    Post  nomadski Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:40 am

    GarryB wrote : When the enemy military and political leadership decided a course and tactics that allowed Russia to grind meat effectively and efficiently then don't attack the leadership of the military or the political leadership because if that is broken you don't want it fixed.

    I would say that the tactics employed by the NAZTO Orcs , has had an influence on the Meat- Grinder tactics . I remember at first that some said "   we take our time and if it takes ten years , we will grind... " But now the war is to end in 2025 ? Why ? The cost in blood and treasure by Russia . And we can not deny the role of the Orcs in this happy equation ! No , the Orcs must be eliminated ad-infinitum !


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    Post  Hole Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:41 pm

    for the rapprochment Russia and the DPRK is geopolitics.
    In a few weeks/months we will see what weapons the DPRK will receive from Russia, just like yesterdays confirmation about the deal with Iran.

    Rail , Road , Airfield ,
    Waste of ammo. You can´t destroy railway lines or a road. You can only damage a small section of it.
    Banderaland maybe a shithole but it´s capable of repairing such damages, especially with western
    support.

    The irony is, that US sadly achieved most of their goals in this operation,
    The leadership in the US is sitting on the bottom of a hole and is digging deeper and deeper.
    The "goals" that they achieved made Russia much stronger and more hostile, brought together
    countries from all over the World to form a coalition against the west and will make Europe poorer.
    Most of the money that the US regime needs is coming from European taxpayers and from financial
    institutions there (= savings from hard working Europeans). That stream of money will dry out in the
    coming years which means the US has to print even more fake money. That doesn´t end well.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:59 pm

    Hole wrote:
    The leadership in the US is sitting on the bottom of a hole and is digging deeper and deeper.
    The "goals" that they achieved made Russia much stronger and more hostile, brought together
    countries from all over the World to form a coalition against the west and will make Europe poorer.
    Most of the money that the US regime needs is coming from European taxpayers and from financial
    institutions there (= savings from hard working Europeans). That stream of money will dry out in the
    coming years which means the US has to print even more fake money. That doesn´t end well.

    Well, that is one side of the story bro.
    The other is, that they functionally broke the neck of EU, with all the aspirations applied to it.
    Don't get me wrong here, but voting in favor perfectly 20 years ago, I was voting for a different Europe.
    It was Europe of Chirac and Shroeder. And Berlusconi. And, yes, Putin's.
    It was a dream of a continent wide open, from Lisbon to Vladivostok. An economic superpower, friendly to everyone, strong&confident enough to say no to Murican hegemony.
    Those were the realities od 2001.
    I was voting for de facto giving away part of independence, but for some bigger cause. A finally united Europe, where we are both Europeans, first of all. And the fact that you are a German and I am a Pole has the same meaning, that you are from Kiel and someone is from Munich.
    United Europe that will last and secure the safety&well beeing of my children.
    And what we get instead?

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    Post  nomadski Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:31 pm

    Hole wrote :

    Waste of ammo. You can´t destroy railway lines or a road. You can only damage a small section of it.
    Banderaland maybe a shithole but it´s capable of repairing such damages, especially with western
    support.

    I remember saying that a drone can be designed to fly and land on rail track and plant a magnetic steel wedge along  track . Do this on several points . Rail cargo stopped for a few days . Keep doing it . Rail stopped for a month or longer . War ends .

    Wink

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    Post  Belisarius Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:42 pm

    The number of published episodes of the use of Lancet loitering ammunition has reached 800 !
    https://lostarmour.info/tags/lancet

    November 2023 became the 3rd most productive month after the record July-August 2023, when Lancets were actively used to repel the counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Zaporozhye direction.

    "Lancet" is rapidly evolving, the software of the complex is being improved: along with elements of technical vision, we are increasingly seeing images from the camera of loitering ammunition in the infrared range (night vision), which significantly expands the tactical possibilities of using "Lancet".

    As before, the favorite target for the Lancets is the towed and self-propelled artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which accounted for the lion's share of attacks in November 2023.

    https://t.me/lost_armour/1874?single

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    Post  Hole Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:57 pm

    And what we get instead?
    Von der Leyen. pale

    The number of published episodes
    That means that the real number of attacks is possibly in the 2.000+ range.

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