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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #51

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    Post  Hole Sun Nov 26, 2023 4:29 pm

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    ERA bricks everywhere. This time on a T-80.

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    Post  Hole Sun Nov 26, 2023 4:32 pm

    Anyway the chart obfuscates the mammoth difference in GDP between both countries:
    The chart has nothing to do with the actual size of the GDP or the actual growth rate.
    It only shows how big the GDP of each country was at a given time compared to the start of the SMO - not in real value but percenntage.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Nov 26, 2023 4:43 pm

    TMA1 wrote:Yeah this cynical ploy by globohomo to introduce more women into this war disturbs me. Like some pilot project for the future of our countries too.  Right now here in America young men wre refusing to join a military that has lost it's way and is essentially the police force for the "rules based world order" which is another name for the NWO.  Even in our commercials they talk of the navy as "a global force for good". Wtf does this even mean? Since when are WE the policeman of the world?

    And now that Ukraine has tragically lost an entire generation and people arent signing up in other countries like mine, they are pushing this wickedness. Disgusting. There are so many reasons women should not be fighting I wont even argue the point. It should be obvious. Our leaders are mad, and they are dragging us down with them into the void.

    Partially true, also because mixed military groups with men and women do not usually work good together.

    However, especially in the modern west why should men risk their life in a war to defend a society that despise them (even more if they are Christian white males)?

    In a society where many women insists for working as much as men and do not want children or delay children until they aren't fertile anymore, why should then men die for them?

    I would say that in case of a war and mandatory conscription women between 28 and 40 without children should be also conscripted in this case.

    Of course in Ukraine this is different and they are sending women to war because they are scratching the bottom of the barrel and not many healthy men remain available for the meatgrinder.

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    Post  franco Sun Nov 26, 2023 4:45 pm

    Ukrainian news report: 1.1 million Ukrainian soldiers are dead or missing. (1,126,652)

    A mistake? Or?

    https://twitter.com/KitKlarenberg/status/1728732344834490851


    NOTE: reported by other posters that the TV channel later retracted the report.

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    Post  kvs Sun Nov 26, 2023 5:09 pm

    Hole wrote:
    Anyway the chart obfuscates the mammoth difference in GDP between both countries:
    The chart has nothing to do with the actual size of the GDP or the actual growth rate.
    It only shows how big the GDP of each country was at a given time compared to the start of the SMO - not in real value but percenntage.

    Lancelot posted data from the World Bank that inverts the Ukr and Russian growth rates, but I will go with the ones I posted.
    Even for the algorithm you describe, the annual GDP growth rate matters. Normalizing both countries at the same size at t=0
    would show the cumulative effect of the growth rate going forward. If Ukria had less growth than Russia, then its curve should
    stay below the Russian one except at t=0. Besides, such a comparison is stupid since the smaller growth in Ukria applies to
    a much smaller economy.

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    Post  kvs Sun Nov 26, 2023 5:12 pm

    franco wrote:Ukrainian news report: 1.1 million Ukrainian soldiers are dead or missing. (1,126,652)

    A mistake? Or?

    https://twitter.com/KitKlarenberg/status/1728732344834490851


    NOTE: reported by other posters that the TV channel later retracted the report.  

    We do not know how many people have managed to run away from the front. Maybe it is much higher than those surrendered.

    The number could have been a KIA+WIA figure, but that would make it too low.

    We have 600,000 KIA being kicked around. In any case, the KIA has to be over 500,000.

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    Post  Belisarius Sun Nov 26, 2023 6:31 pm

    There is news that the Russian Federation easily produces from 700 to 1000 kamikaze drones of the Geranium 1/2 family per month, said Taras Chmut, head of the Turn Around Alive Foundation.

    We will disappoint everyone and say that the number of kamikaze UAVs of the Geranium 1/2 family produced by Russia in the current realities is more than 2000 pieces and this is not the limit, since factories for the assembly and production of “toys” continue to open.
    At the same time, no more than 50% is supplied for the Ukrainian crisis, the rest remains in reserve - accumulation for the moment “x”, as well as the training of new UAV “operators”.
    In fact, we can witness when 500 kamikaze drones start flying across Ukraine at once, and a massive attack of thousands will continue for a week. It will be combined with the participation of a variety of missiles.
    Most likely, this will happen at moment “X” (possibly a widespread offensive by the Russian Armed Forces).

    Let’s add that in addition to the production of Geranium 1/2, in the Russian Federation dozens more Kamikaze Drones (the same Lancet) are mass-produced, which also reach the front only in some part, the rest is accumulated.

    Now imagine when this entire accumulated “air armada” hits targets in Ukraine.
    We have been writing about this since 2022, but Bankovaya continued to ignore the incoming alarming news. They didn’t build anything, but only purchased low-grade “flyers”, which are now outliving their useful life in the game.
    Now there is no money, but the need has increased.

    We are watching...

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Nov 26, 2023 6:58 pm

    kvs wrote:
    franco wrote:Ukrainian news report: 1.1 million Ukrainian soldiers are dead or missing. (1,126,652)

    A mistake? Or?

    NOTE: reported by other posters that the TV channel later retracted the report.  

    We do not know how many people have managed to run away from the front.   Maybe it is much higher than those surrendered.

    The number could have been a KIA+WIA figure, but that would make it too low.

    We have 600,000 KIA being kicked around.   In any case, the KIA has to be over 500,000.  

    A bit more on this

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    Via TheOrientalView on TG:
    1,126,652 (!) military personnel of the Ukrainian army died or gone missing

    On one of the leading channels in Ukraine 1+1 (the same that released the 'scandalous' interview with Arachamia (https://t.me/theorientalview/3250
    ) blaming Boris Johnson for the war), a ticker appeared with the words that in 20 months, 1,126,652 (!) military personnel of the Ukrainian army had died or gone missing.

    The incident sparked outrage and the channel soon apologized, saying it was a misunderstanding.

    In Ukraine, missing means dead, because they do this to underestimate the number of deaths and not provide compensation and wages to families in connection with the death.

    The Turks previously reported that the loss of life in Ukraine amounted to more than 1 million people, and this has now been proven.

    In the Ukrainian media where there's extremely strict censorship and everything is controlled in detail not only by Ukrainian, but also by Western intelligence, this means only one thing. This is probably because the US and Zaluzhny leaked this information.

    Zaluzhny's supporters continued to react to the poor leadership of Zelensky and Yermak, as well as the disasters and pressure caused by politicians' involvement in the war.

    The Ukrainian people are also preparing for this process, showing how poorly the current political administration is handling the war and that it is necessary to change the leadership, and on the other hand, it is necessary to make a choice between negotiations or mobilization to the end. - Militarist/Other sources

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Nov 26, 2023 7:40 pm

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    Abrams hunting season is open.

    The first photographs of the Abrams tank somewhere near Kupyansk, this is primarily an incentive (and a very significant one) for our drone operators, ATGM operators and artillerymen. Now each group, each crew will protect its hunting grounds and will not share with a neighbor if suddenly a fat American comes to his land.
    The same thing happened with Leopards, everyone wanted to hang the skin of a German cat on their wall, a fat American is a magnificent trophy, besides, now the destruction of armored vehicles is paid for, and the material incentive is important. Although the pleasure of hunting and the trophy are more important.

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    Post  Hole Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:52 pm

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    The number could have been a KIA+WIA figure, but that would make it too low.
    The report stated KIA + MIA. Nothing about wounded.

    We do not know how many people have managed to run away from the front.
    Maybe a few thousand. There are punisher units behind most areas. Bribes? Possible.
    But for hundreds of thousands of military people would be to conspicuous, even for Banderaland.
    If some soldiers run away to the russian lines, they would show up in the POW statistics of the russian MoD.

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    Post  Godric Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:10 pm

    JohninMK wrote:A bit more on this

    GEROMAN -- time will tell - 👀 --
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    Via TheOrientalView on TG:
    1,126,652 (!) military personnel of the Ukrainian army died or gone missing

    On one of the leading channels in Ukraine 1+1 (the same that released the 'scandalous' interview with Arachamia (https://t.me/theorientalview/3250
    ) blaming Boris Johnson for the war), a ticker appeared with the words that in 20 months, 1,126,652 (!) military personnel of the Ukrainian army had died or gone missing.

    The incident sparked outrage and the channel soon apologized, saying it was a misunderstanding.

    In Ukraine, missing means dead, because they do this to underestimate the number of deaths and not provide compensation and wages to families in connection with the death.

    The Turks previously reported that the loss of life in Ukraine amounted to more than 1 million people, and this has now been proven.

    In the Ukrainian media where there's extremely strict censorship and everything is controlled in detail not only by Ukrainian, but also by Western intelligence, this means only one thing. This is probably because the US and Zaluzhny leaked this information.

    Zaluzhny's supporters continued to react to the poor leadership of Zelensky and Yermak, as well as the disasters and pressure caused by politicians' involvement in the war.

    The Ukrainian people are also preparing for this process, showing how poorly the current political administration is handling the war and that it is necessary to change the leadership, and on the other hand, it is necessary to make a choice between negotiations or mobilization to the end. - Militarist/Other sources


    reports are coming in Zelensky is to fire Zaluzhny in the next couple of days, if that happens the fireworks will go off big time in Ukraine

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:41 pm

    Hole wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #51 - Page 2 Vsu_lo10

    The number could have been a KIA+WIA figure, but that would make it too low.
    The report stated KIA + MIA. Nothing about wounded.

    We do not know how many people have managed to run away from the front.
    Maybe a few thousand. There are punisher units behind most areas. Bribes? Possible.
    But for hundreds of thousands of military people would be to conspicuous, even for Banderaland.
    If some soldiers run away to the russian lines, they would show up in the POW statistics of the russian MoD.



    Only in Poland there are at least 500 000 military age men from Ukraine capable of bearing arms.


    What about the other countries they fled to?

    The total number must be substantial.


    I doubt that one million Ukrainian troops are dead.


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    Post  mnztr Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:41 am

    I wonder how Elon Musk feels about them calling it moment X . Laughing DOOH!!!!
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    Post  kvs Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:10 am

    Hole wrote:

    The number could have been a KIA+WIA figure, but that would make it too low.
    The report stated KIA + MIA. Nothing about wounded.

    As in the west, the term casualties is routinely confused with KIA. Some journalist cannot be expected to never make a mistake in this regard.


    We do not know how many people have managed to run away from the front.
    Maybe a few thousand. There are punisher units behind most areas. Bribes? Possible.
    But for hundreds of thousands of military people would be to conspicuous, even for Banderaland.
    If some soldiers run away to the russian lines, they would show up in the POW statistics of the russian MoD.

    There is some accounting system that gives the number sent to the front. It is plausible that not all of those soldiers
    make it to the front.

    Another source of Ukr losses is KIA in the rear of the front all around Ukria. It is possible that the Russian attrition war
    is accounting for lots of these losses if the missile and drone attacks are larger in scale than they appear. Also, the
    Kiev regime has been clamping down on any information about Russian attacks at the rear. We had flashy coverage
    of barrack attacks that may still be happening but are no longer broadcast.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:28 am


    To light that up a bit : Ukrs had a GDP of some 200 bln $ before the war started.

    That is 100% isn't it?

    Plus the idiot is wrong, if the EU stopped using any oil or gas at all then its economy would have collapsed more than Russias did... the rest of the world simply does not have enough gas and oil to replace what Russia was supplying to the EU and they have only managed to do it so far by buying Russian oil and gas and then selling that to the EU so the EU can pretend it is no longer buying Russian energy.

    What a joke.

    How is that helping the people of the EU to buy Russian energy from the rest of the world where the middleman makes a profit because of your hubris.

    I'm missing something with that graph. When was the Ukrainian GDP higher then the Russian one?

    It is probably western accounting... when you sell all your fertile farming land to a foreign company then that money becomes income which counts as GDP... even if you are selling your future and screwing your children and their children etc etc.

    The real irony is that the west is talking about stealing Russian assets and resources in the west to fund Ukraine, but the Russians can then use this to seize all the resources in Ukraine that the west bought like all that fertile land growing grain for western companies, and likely all those mines for valuable materials the west wants...

    Looks like any clip from WWII. AAA ammo exploding in the air = high tech.

    In the west high tech means expensive... but not necessarily effective...

    For him it´s unthinkable that Russia could possess her own ships. Tell him that Russia builds ships an he will collapse.

    Or that there are shipping companies that ship goods and products that are not from the western countries that follow Bidens orders.

    But Ukraine were then pumped with EU and IMF money. So their economy eventually started to "recover".

    A combination of loans and selling everything they could sell...

    They are more like the west than anyone gives them credit for really.

    That chart basically omits the period of Ukrainian GDP collapse in 2011-2015:

    Interesting how if you look at the changes both are really quite similar except that the Ukraine crashes down faster when it goes down, and with billions in loans and western support it manages to rebound back to where Russia is... except most recently when the western money slowed down and reality is starting to set in.

    Yeah this cynical ploy by globohomo to introduce more women into this war disturbs me.

    Actually I could see the rainbow people complain about this because no one wants the right to go to war... you will never see rainbow people demanding to be put on the draft, or to get equal prison sentences with men... Kiev is cynically using western values to double its meat store so it can continue to feed the meat grinder for longer so they can steal more money before they run away to the west... remember the conflict in Israel is upsetting their destination plans as well as the money machine that pays for everything.

    Even in our commercials they talk of the navy as "a global force for good". Wtf does this even mean? Since when are WE the policeman of the world?

    A person who decides to be the local policeman as a force for good is normally accused of being the head of a lynch mob when the dust settles.

    There are so many reasons women should not be fighting I wont even argue the point. It should be obvious. Our leaders are mad, and they are dragging us down with them into the void.

    It is one of the few equalities that feminists don't want...

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:12 am

    kvs wrote:
    Lancelot posted data from the World Bank that inverts the Ukr and Russian growth rates, but I will go with the ones I posted.
    Even for the algorithm you describe, the annual GDP growth rate matters.   Normalizing both countries at the same size at t=0
    would show the cumulative effect of the growth rate going forward.   If Ukria had less growth than Russia, then its curve should
    stay below the Russian one except at t=0.   Besides, such a comparison is stupid since the smaller growth in Ukria applies to
    a much smaller economy.

    You are seeking a conspiracy where there is none. Laughing
    First, as pointed out, those data only show the % of the GDP having a beginning of a war as a base 100.
    Now we can figure out which developed, which did not, and what was the factor of it.
    The only manipulation - potential - is the term "real GDP" which makes me think that they are using $ devaluation.
    While ruble curse was all but stable for the early months of a war, decreasing rapidly in $ values - here is your question mark.
    In ruble values, this chart would present even bigger scissors in advance for the Russian economy.
    And it is not as much relevant as the other fact - 200 or more billion of $ pummeled into Ukro black hole hav't even brought it back to the prewar level. It could not, as 3/4 of it was simply stolen. Or, on the other hand, western evaluation of the size of support is garbage.
    Last time I heard, the French were calculating the value of its assistance ... by the prices of stuff they were buying to replace it Laughing Laughing Laughing
    So a 155mm artillery round originated in the 70s, rusting in a box, became a 3000 euro shiny new round value.
    How smart is that! Very Happy

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:22 am

    JohninMK wrote:Now each group, each crew will protect its hunting grounds and will not share with a neighbor if suddenly a fat American comes to his land.

    It is all about the prizes and grants, my friends Laughing
    The stock of M1 is limited, and the payment for each is generous Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  GarryB Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:22 am

    This conflict was created by the US and EU for a multitude of reasons and one of them was the problem of all that soviet stock gear in eastern europe just sitting there not earning US MIC companies money, not to mention that during joint exercises the users of cheap Soviet gear might realise it keeps working when HATO stuff stops... they might bring 5,000 Konkurs missiles to an exercise when the mighty and rich US army brings only 500 Javelins that seem to miss their targets a lot of the time.

    Western artillery fires at a couple of targets and that is the end of the exercise... no enemy infantry charges, in fact the enemy don't seem to really have numbers at all... and of course the enemy has no working artillery or air power and ours is always on call... no wonder they win....

    Donating old stock and charging brand new prices is a colonial game that has long been played by the west... many countries in central and south america were told they were getting large numbers of new helicopters, only to get worn out Huey helicopters when the US was buying Blackhawks... didn't make them any cheaper and the cost of upgrades and overhauls meant they were nothing like free, but it is how the US MIC works.

    And all this generosity has to be paid back, these are loans... not gifts... this is just a continuation of Lend Lease but with much worse terms.

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    Post  Hole Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:46 am

    How smart is that!
    Estonians are doing the same. How generous.

    Russian attrition war is accounting for lots of these losses if the missile and drone attacks are larger in scale than they appear.
    You hit the Ukro on the head. lol1

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:03 pm

    Estonians? Laughing
    Let me get that clear : they are delivering Soviet era weaponry they had left for nothing, and the one that was granted to them for the last 20+ years by the NATO partners as a part of "strengthening of the northern flank", and ... calculated that as a military aid? Laughing Laughing Laughing
    Geee, that is really, really something! Laughing
    Wonder if they calculated Groms we gave them for free either Laughing

    What is funny here, is the fact that this "help" is being paid by the EU funds Laughing It is a fukin fraud in a bright daylight Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:13 pm

    Front #Summary for 26 Nov 2023 by 19:21:zap:

    🔹In #Kherson Direction, our forces from the west gradually forcing the AFU out of the central part of the #Krynki village. From the right bank the AFU artillery is methodically working on our few units, while the enemy has no opportunity to expand the zone of control. Or stable supply and replenishment is making it as difficult as possible. This night ours hit another AFU group on boats while trying to sneak along the #Konka River to #Krynki.

    🔹In #Zaporozhye Direction, episodic localised counter battles with no changes in the frontline. Movement of armoured vehicles is practically paralysed. The activity of artillery has decreased by multiples. Without aerial recon the accuracy is significantly reduced, we do not waste shells. Poor soldiers, mud, cold, water filled trenches and uniforms that don't dry out.

    🔹In #Donetsk Direction, our army tries to launch localised attacks near #Novomikhaylovka, #Pervomayskoye and #Maryinka, unfortunately without any significant advancement so far. Our fighters have accomplished another military feat by taking full control of the territory of the #Avdeyevka industrial zone. Ukrainian channels reported that the AFU almost without a fight abandoned positions they had been building since 2014 and withdrew into the city.
    ▪ The industrial zone on the southern outskirts was the most powerful AFU fortification, which has been one of the key points of confrontation between the AFU and the DPR Militia for nearly a decade. By liberating this territory, our military deprived the enemy of a heavily fortified and perfectly prepared defence line in the south, plus it is also located on a hill. Now, from the heights of the industrial zone, ours can more accurately adjust the work of artillery and exert more powerful and deliberate pressure in the direction of Tsarskaya Okhota and the former air defence base to the west. The capture of the industrial zone is a significant event, our guys did a great job.
    ▪ Now our forces continue the clearing of ST Vinogradniki Station on the southern flank. The settlement is half encircled. On the northern flank our fighters are entrenched on the outskirts of #Stepovoye. The enemy is still repelling our new attacks at the Coke Plant. The work of our artillery and aviation continues.

    🔹In #Bakhmut Direction, near #Kleshcheyevka, our artillery is working very powerfully in conjunction with drone operators. Ours are hitting Ukrainian dugouts. On the ground, our forces have taken new positions, but the enemy still controls the key heights. In other areas around #Bakhmut no changes.

    🔹In the #Svatovo Direction, due to rain and thaw, equipment from both sides is hardly used, although the long awaited AFU Abrams tanks have been spotted. In the #Serebryanskoye forest, the AFU tried to conduct a recon battle, but after receiving a serious rebuff from ours, they withdrew. The AFU counterattacks near #Sinkovka were also unsuccessful. At #Torskoye, artillery duels and localised fighting are ongoing without any advances.

    https://t.me/sitreports/18645


    Unfortunately, the weather in Crimea is not about to get any better. Or for much of the rest of Ukraine/Western Russia. This will affect the RF and the AFU in their plans.

    The hydrometeorological center warned of dangerous weather in the European part of Russia.

    According to the scientific director of the Hydrometeorological Center Roman Vilfand, heavy snow, sleet, snow drifts, ice, sleet, and winds of up to 15-20 m/s are predicted in all regions of the Central Federal District. In the Astrakhan and Volgograd regions, heavy snow, blizzard, wind up to 13-18 m/s are expected, in Crimea - very heavy precipitation in the form of rain, sleet and snow, wind up to 35-40 m/s in the mountains, in the Rostov region and Stavropol region - wind gusts up to 24-28 m/s.

    In the Perm Territory, Kirov Region and Tatarstan, snow, sleet, rain, freezing rain and sleet are forecast on Monday.

    https://t.me/Slavyangrad/75869

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:18 pm

    Selection of photos showing Russian electronic radar distortion system used to disrupt satellite imagery. Can't link them here myself but quite stunning.

    https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/42039

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    Post  kvs Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:31 pm

    The EM emissions from the ground must be focused in a tight beam to affect orbiting instruments. It is not unreasonable to reach LEO at 300-600 km but
    is impressive anyway. Whether these images are genuine or fake is not clear.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:45 pm

    I guess it is reduced to some spectrum of waves only, as long as Russkie wont reveal really heavy gear and start to physically burn satellites Twisted Evil

    For the last week, I have observed that there is an increasing number of vid documentation of Russian attacks made by more than one observation platform.
    The thing is crystal clear for months now, as 99% of Russian attacks are being observed by another aerial recon platform, while Ukrs lack that heavily.
    And now, there are so many of those in Russian hands, that the number of post strike/strike documentation is provided by two, or even THREE!! different platforms increasing.

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    Post  franco Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:50 pm

    Verkhovna Rada deputy Maryana Bezugla for the first time revealed the figures of the mobilization plan in Ukraine. The country's military registration and enlistment offices intend to conscript 20 thousand people into the army every month, reports the Ukrainian publication Strana.ua.

    As journalists note, for a more accurate analysis, the ratio of losses is also necessary, but there is no reliable information on them. According to the publication, the announced figures represent an alarming signal regarding the balance of power in the combat zone.

    In turn, former deputy head of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine Anna Malyar said that the troops have problems with weapons and called on citizens to actively participate in the mobilization. The official expressed the opinion that Ukrainians should stop expecting good news from the front, and the topic of mobilization should be alarming for society.

    https://www-gazeta-ru.translate.goog/army/news/2023/11/27/21797779.shtml?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

    NOTE: doesn't sound like enough as the Russian MoD daily estimate of Ukrainian casualties generally average over 700 per day pale on the other hand they need to hurry up with this as lately the Russians are hard pressed to claim 500 per day cry

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