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    Post  Hole Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:35 pm

    The top priority in the USA is now to save face.
    With Biden and Harris, Blinken and Sullivan, Nuland and Austin...?

    Not Iosif Vissarionovich, who will strike terror in the hearts of fascists now?
    Medvedev needs to grow a mustach.  lol1

    killed by Ukrainian propaganda a few days ago
    We could ask the question if they (western MSM) will ever learn, but we all know the answer.

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:43 pm

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    Backman wrote:Is there any question at all that Odessa has to be taken ? How could there be ? Has Russia called up the necessary manpower to do something like this next year ? If they could take Mariupol while being short handed , i can't see why Odessa can't be taken the same way , with more man power to boot. 
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    It's much easier to take something after you kill everyone first


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    Post  JohninMK Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:45 pm

    This looks to be the destruction of the replacement bridge. The straight road across the river original bridge still looks to have one side of its span still missing.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:45 pm

    Hole wrote:
    Medvedev needs to grow a mustach.  lol1

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    Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:56 pm

    Minimum of 5

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    The first batch of M1A1 Abrams tanks arrived in Ukraine.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:58 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Minimum of 5

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    The first batch of M1A1 Abrams tanks arrived in Ukraine.

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    Send one to Kubinka and drone the other 3

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Sep 26, 2023 6:08 pm

    Notice how more of these strikes seem to be of a pair of bombs released at the same time.

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    Post  Sprut-B Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:21 pm

    Izmail Harbour got hit again. Russia just won't give those hoholes a break, and it looks like the Romanians are having a blast watching the fireworks 🎇 from across the river.

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    Post  nomadski Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:36 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Notice how more of these strikes seem to be of a pair of bombs released at the same time.




    You need a badflite of B52 carpet bombing to pieces !



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0W8D6CBudDc&pp=ygUGUGllY2Vz





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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:36 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Minimum of 5

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    The first batch of M1A1 Abrams tanks arrived in Ukraine.

    I advised against this not because Abram cannot deal with russian tanks, it can with ease. Ukraine just doesn't have the infrastructure or logistics capability for it.

    Also important to know these are watered down export versions and old one at that so even if the ruskie's capture it, they will get virtually no info out of the things.

    But this is a case of a politician doing things against the advice of the experts anyone who has used or served along side an abrams or any vehicle knows.

    It's not just having the tank, you need to have the base support for it in place or be able to provide that on the move none of which Ukraine has.

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:23 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    I advised against this not because Abram cannot deal with russian tanks, it can with ease. Ukraine just doesn't have the infrastructure or logistics capability for it.

    Also important to know these are watered down export versions and old one at that so even if the ruskie's capture it, they will get virtually no info out of the things.

    But this is a case of a politician doing things against the advice of the experts anyone who has used or served along side an abrams or any vehicle knows.

    It's not just having the tank, you need to have the base support for it in place or be able to provide that on the move none of which Ukraine has.

    They will not survive long enough to need support.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:36 pm

    As I said before, many months ago, the M1 is designed for American needs, with American-level logistical support in mind.

    It's a fine tank with a great track record in U.S. service, but yeah - that's U.S. service. Elsewhere it hasn't performed particularly well at all, same goes for Leos and what have you.

    The Lazerpigish assessments of vehicles are beneath us, I hope.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:19 pm

    Iskander vs Kharkov Malyshev Plant. A bit like alien invasion destruction scene from Independence Day Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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    Medvedev said that in 2023, more than 325 thousand people were hired for contract service
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:49 pm

    All gone in a few days

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    Their losses amounted to 10 out of 10 such tanks delivered .

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    Post  mnztr Tue Sep 26, 2023 11:30 pm

    Sprut-B wrote:Izmail Harbour got hit again. Russia just won't give those hoholes a break, and it looks like the Romanians are having a blast watching the fireworks 🎇 from across the river.


    I wonder why they don't paint the drones black for night attack. Unless they send a few white ones and the rest black..now THAT would be smart.

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    Post  mnztr Tue Sep 26, 2023 11:37 pm

    Arrow wrote:New Iranian Shahed with jet propulsion.
    https://vk.com/video-206639135_456275650?list=c2cf7217d987f21e74


    Medvedev: more than 325 thousand people have signed a contract with the RF Armed Forces since January 2023
    Work to replenish the Russian Armed Forces continues to be carried out, noted the Deputy Chairman of the Security Council.

    A small single use gas turbine should be actually easier to build then the 2/4 cyl 2 stroke engine. It will be less efficient but lighter so i would imagine it can carry more fuel.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Wed Sep 27, 2023 12:12 am

    The mini-turbines used in regular cruise missiles are quite cheap, and Russia produces these in bulk. Their MTBOs are in the hour and half ballpark, but they aren't meant to ever be overhauled anyway, so yeah.

    A commercial JetCat turbine, their bigger models, that RC hobbyists buy for 5000-10000 dollars a piece depending on model/size/thrust are almost comparable, but they are built to last.


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Sep 27, 2023 12:45 am

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:The mini-turbines used in regular cruise missiles are quite cheap, and Russia produces these in bulk. Their MTBOs are in the hour and half ballpark, but they aren't meant to ever be overhauled anyway, so yeah.


    Then neither Calibr nor X-101 can be in this class

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Sep 27, 2023 12:46 am

    People pay good money for a proper fireworks display Laughing This is an estimated 3000 tons Shocked Think we have seen this before but different angles here.



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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed Sep 27, 2023 1:10 am

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:As I said before, many months ago, the M1 is designed for American needs, with American-level logistical support in mind.

    It's a fine tank with a great track record in U.S. service, but yeah - that's U.S. service. Elsewhere it hasn't performed particularly well at all, same goes for Leos and what have you.

    The Lazerpigish assessments of vehicles are beneath us, I hope.

    Correct on all counts. It needs US logistics, air superiority, artillery support, and close air support. It will do okay, but it will burn like the others. Actually, without logistics to keep it maintained and fueled it may br abandoned by its own crews.

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    Post  thegopnik Wed Sep 27, 2023 2:42 am

    We got a timeframe for this war it seems.

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    Post  Broski Wed Sep 27, 2023 5:04 am

    thegopnik wrote:We got a timeframe for this war it seems.
    With a current attrition rate of 700 KIA per day, we're talking about 750,000 dead Ukrainians by the middle of 2025. Nobody would realistically be left to fight by then, unless they start drafting women and children like WW2 Germany.

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    Post  mnztr Wed Sep 27, 2023 5:13 am

    JohninMK wrote:People pay good money for a proper fireworks display Laughing This is an estimated 3000 tons Shocked Think we have seen this before but different angles here.



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    Everybody wins when Ukrainian ammo is destroyed. Russia, and the Ukrainian people. Burn baby burn.

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    Post  mnztr Wed Sep 27, 2023 5:14 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:As I said before, many months ago, the M1 is designed for American needs, with American-level logistical support in mind.

    It's a fine tank with a great track record in U.S. service, but yeah - that's U.S. service. Elsewhere it hasn't performed particularly well at all, same goes for Leos and what have you.

    The Lazerpigish assessments of vehicles are beneath us, I hope.

    Correct on all counts.  It needs US logistics, air superiority, artillery support, and close air support.  It will do okay, but it will burn like the others.  Actually, without logistics to keep it maintained and fueled it may br abandoned by its own crews.


    I wonder if we will see any of these run out of gas lol

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    Post  nomadski Wed Sep 27, 2023 5:33 am

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:The mini-turbines used in regular cruise missiles are quite cheap, and Russia produces these in bulk. Their MTBOs are in the hour and half ballpark, but they aren't meant to ever be overhauled anyway, so yeah.

    A commercial JetCat turbine, their bigger models, that RC hobbyists buy for 5000-10000 dollars a piece depending on model/size/thrust are almost comparable, but they are built to last.



    Horses for courses . In the beginning of SMO , used to think ; keep Aircraft out of SAM range , use Arty and Drones and cruise missiles instead . Save Aircraft to be used against NATO . Now I think ; Save enough Aircraft to carry Nukes against NATO , use the rest in Ukraine . Aircraft carry munitions that other platforms do not carry . A Geran carries , what 50 kg ? How about Zircon or Iskander ? About 500 kg ? A jet fighter carries about 5000 kg . A heavy bomber ? Much more about 13000 kg ? The cost per ton , is less . Also we can do things with an Earth penetrating 2000 kg munition , that nothing else can do . There is no replacement . A heavy bomber delivering many Tons of bombs into enemy bunker , will suck the air out of their lungs and collapse the bunkers on their head and completely demoralize them . Force them to put guns down and retreat or surrender !

    Since the Ukrainian Army is increasingly a proxy Army , then destroying men and material at the frontlines , becomes far more important than destroying industrial military infrastructure inside Ukraine . In my view more effort should be put into SEAD , say to a depth of 50 to 100 km , into the Ukraine controlled territory , away from frontlines . To disable all SAM systems . For this , then drones and missiles are used and concentrated . Afterwards heavy bombers can put much more cheap dumb bombs on the frontlines . In this way the Orcs are demoralised and bunker system destroyed . No choice but surrender !

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