Russian special military operation in Ukraine #46

Praised be the Tech-priests of Mars

Poor priests are blessing in shifts now. Too much new stuff. 

P 800 Onyx flew to Odessa at night.
https://t.me/warhistoryalconafter/112182

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[quote="GarryB"]

This SMO wasn't a spur of the moment thing and they didn't have severe shortages of ammo like the west has had, so unless you can show conclusive evidence I am calling BS.

BTW if Russia has been using cluster armed artillery shells there would be more cluster munitions on the ground than grains of sand on a beach... using cluster munitions should allow the Russians to get the same coverage or better with vastly fewer rounds fired.

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The case with you my friend is that you are much resistant to anything that opposes your idee fix.
I don't care much, so that is just an observation.

Cluster ammunition has been widely used in this conflict since the very beginning, and the fact that you lack the resources or knowledge to verify that is not my concern.

First of all, you must accept the fact that cluster ammo is not a Wunderwaffe and the hammer of Thor. It is just an ordinary tool of artillery destruction. Soviets had cluster ammunition for almost all calibers they used.
For Smerch it is 9M55K rocket with 9N210 or 9N235 subammunition. For Uragan it is 9M27K. For Tornado it is 9M544/549. For Tochka it i 9N24 warhead. For Iskander it is 9N730. For 203mm 2S7 it is 3O14. For 152mm systems, it is 3O13. For 240mm mortar it is 3O8. For 120 mm mortar it is M971 mine. All but Iskander and Tornado are widespread for both sides.

The things are so common in this conflict that one needs to be impregnated to deny that - which is what you are performing now.

Here you have Ukrs firing Pion with claimed round :



Here you have remains of subammunition from Iskander :



There are thousands of Uragan/Smerch cargo sections scattering the ground everywhere there. There are tons of registered films showing use of it, everywhere.

Here you have a photo from 2015, Dobaltsevo city.



And some daily load from 2022 and on ...









And here you have a cherry picking, from Aleppo this time. Yes, I know, it is Syria - and guess who was dropping RBK containers there?



Further discussion in a matter of denying that is a waste of my time, so I won't participate.

This thing proves a niche existing in the Russian striking systems.
It is 300 km straight line from Sevastopol to Odessa.
And Russian forces occupy positions halving that distance.
Yet they must use expensive strike platforms to hit it, lacking the ones 120-500 km range.
I would expect something to change here, soon.

Now looks more like Bagdad 2003 ...

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/73832

usage of CNN on Lancet 

CNN working for Russia now. 

Yet they must use expensive strike platforms to hit it, lacking the ones 120-500 km range.

Gerans are cheap.
P-800, Kh-22 and Kh-59 got the right range. First ones propably used because of their big warhead.
Kaliber is likely cheaper than the good old R-300 was back in the days.

Of these Ukrainian air defense intercepted:

- 13 Kalibr cruise missiles
- 1 Kh-59 missile
- 23 Shaded drones

Sure. Why not. I got a nice bridge to sell. 

Polish meltdown.

That chart shows what 30 to 70 years of relentless propaganda can do to people living under US occupation.

Holly shit ...





Screens from Virazh-Planshet Ukro AD command subsystem ...

It was the heaviest attack in a war, and seems like it is ongoing ...

ALAMO wrote:This thing proves a niche existing in the Russian striking systems.
It is 300 km straight line from Sevastopol to Odessa.
And Russian forces occupy positions halving that distance.
Yet they must use expensive strike platforms to hit it, lacking the ones 120-500 km range.

Like Hole said, that is about the range of the Kh-59. But the thing is, I doubt the Kh-59 is significantly cheaper than a Kalibr.
Both missiles use the exact same engine. TRDD-50. The extra range is basically a matter of enlarging the fuel tank on the cruise missile.
If they want to make the whole thing cheaper then they need to work on the cost of the engine and electronics of the missile.
Size and range seems to be just fuel, which is not particularly expensive.

Still I do think they need to put more modern weapons like Kh-59MK2 into mass production. And maybe make a stealth version of Kalibr.

Erk wrote:Gee, I didn't expect Russia to target the Odessa grain loading machinery.
I guess the want Ukraine to use rail instead.

The more they overload the Ukrainian railway network and strain their logistics the better. And it is quite rich for the West to state Russia is responsible for world hunger, when they have been hobbling Russia and Belarussia's grain and fertilizer exports. Which dwarf whatever Ukraine exports.

Considering the interception ratio, stealth Kalibr would be overkill already

But as "niche" I meant some really cheap stuff like extended range Tornado-S missiles. Or lower tier ballistic, smaller than Iskander.