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    Post  Hole Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:25 pm

    Praised be the Tech-priests of Mars
    Poor priests are blessing in shifts now. Too much new stuff.  lol1

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:34 pm

    mnztr wrote:

    It would be an interesting developmnent is there is now a radar homing geran

    The latest developments in RU drone technology is not Geran, nor radar guidance

    The newest technology is Lancet with Convolutional Neural Networking

    This is not quite AI, but allows the drone to go into a closed loop mode, where the drones on board computer has an image preloaded on a database, and as the optical sensors capture images, they are run against the database through a system of algorithms to return a positive or negative identification

    If the drone registers say a Leopard silhouette,  or a Bradley, or a Pzh-2000, the drone will home in on the target once the neural network returns a positive ID

    It's essentially a form of image recognition and homing method

    You cannot jam such a drone as it is closed loop and not utilizing classical radio control,  or any kind of command guidance, nor radar

    You can only shoot the drone down

    We can say Russia is the first state in the world to employ convolutional neural networking in an active combat zone, maybe only Israel has used them against Palestine

    But this is the first use in high intensity battle

    Here is a diagram of the neural network

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    Iran does not have this technology

    Alexander Zakharov of the Zala Group confirms usage of CNN on Lancet in the combat zone:

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    Post  Airbornewolf Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:09 am

    additional footage of RF troops battling at Trudovskaya mine near Maryinka

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    Post  thegopnik Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:30 am

    4chan /pol/ /chug/ https://files.catbox.moe/38394g.mp4 apparently Odessa ports got fucked from that bridge attack.

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    Post  Arrow Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:23 am

    P 800 Onyx flew to Odessa at night.
    https://t.me/warhistoryalconafter/112182



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    Post  mnztr Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:36 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    mnztr wrote:

    It would be an interesting developmnent is there is now a radar homing geran

    The latest developments in RU drone technology is not Geran, nor radar guidance

    The newest technology is Lancet with Convolutional Neural Networking

    <snip>

    Lancelet is a tactical drone , I have not seen any evidence that they have extended its range to be able to strike Odessa. So if you send in a strike and 4 or 5 geraniums of the swarm are radar seeking, imagine what that does to the AD system. The Gepard fired a few salvos, then KABOOM.

    See how easy it is to quote some one without reposting their entire post...
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:51 am


    So Russia - and 404 - has been using cluster ammo for the entire time of conflict, and yes, civilians were victims of that either.
    Nobody gave a shit.

    The video I posted above, that ginger bitch saying use of cluster munitions was a war crime so if they had any evidence at all they would say so... they started claiming Russia was evil and it was a war crime till they found each and every time it was Kievs forces that did it.

    This SMO wasn't a spur of the moment thing and they didn't have severe shortages of ammo like the west has had, so unless you can show conclusive evidence I am calling BS.

    BTW the use of any weapon against civilians is a war crime.

    I have not a single idea why the whole issue submerged in the shitstream for any other reason than propaganda - someone tried to hype next Wunderwaffe which backfired.

    Well it doesn't matter now because now Russia will use it widely on the front line because Kievs forces are using it now, so there really is no problem at all.

    Cluster munitions will make wiping out entire Orc units easier and more efficient with a few shells or a few glide bombs where previously they had to fire thousands.

    BTW if Russia has been using cluster armed artillery shells there would be more cluster munitions on the ground than grains of sand on a beach... using cluster munitions should allow the Russians to get the same coverage or better with vastly fewer rounds fired.

    Actually you can, it is multifuel engine. Can operate everything, even lard if you liquify it.

    They burn better when fully fuelled.

    What I mean is NATO has no choice but to deploy costly laser guided missiles to counter low-cost Russian drones, even if that is only an allegation.

    Will be interesting to captured such things and see how they made them so expensive.

    2. As for articles that the Russians ignore well It is prohibited to move civilians to the territory of the occupying state.

    Moving children out of a war zone is not a war crime... and is fucking hilarious considering the white european colonial past of taking native children from native families to bring the darkies up in the white way... most were treated as a cross between slaves and zoo exhibits.

    Or perhaps the organ trafficking in this conflict by the nazis which is no new... ask the Serbs...

    A. Lusitania was carrying munitions (Divers literally found it in the wreck) WHICH going by the rules of engagement used by BOTH navies during that time made her A VALID MILITARY TARGET. The Germans were not in the wrong for sinking her.

    So what you are saying is that a modern ship transporting military drones to destroy infrastructure is a legitimate target.... so Russia should just sink ships and when weapons and ammo and drones are found in the sunken wreckage then everything will be all fine...

    We can say Russia is the first state in the world to employ convolutional neural networking in an active combat zone, maybe only Israel has used them against Palestine

    Except the Soviet state had such technology for its anti ship missiles in the 1970s...

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    Post  Sujoy Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:53 am

    Polish meltdown. Poor guy didn't get the drift that Anglo-Saxons are basically promoting anti India hate with these polls.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:21 am

    [quote="GarryB"]

    This SMO wasn't a spur of the moment thing and they didn't have severe shortages of ammo like the west has had, so unless you can show conclusive evidence I am calling BS.

    BTW if Russia has been using cluster armed artillery shells there would be more cluster munitions on the ground than grains of sand on a beach... using cluster munitions should allow the Russians to get the same coverage or better with vastly fewer rounds fired.

    [quote]

    The case with you my friend is that you are much resistant to anything that opposes your idee fix.
    I don't care much, so that is just an observation.

    Cluster ammunition has been widely used in this conflict since the very beginning, and the fact that you lack the resources or knowledge to verify that is not my concern.

    First of all, you must accept the fact that cluster ammo is not a Wunderwaffe and the hammer of Thor. It is just an ordinary tool of artillery destruction. Soviets had cluster ammunition for almost all calibers they used.
    For Smerch it is 9M55K rocket with 9N210 or 9N235 subammunition. For Uragan it is 9M27K. For Tornado it is 9M544/549. For Tochka it i 9N24 warhead. For Iskander it is 9N730. For 203mm 2S7 it is 3O14. For 152mm systems, it is 3O13. For 240mm mortar it is 3O8. For 120 mm mortar it is M971 mine. All but Iskander and Tornado are widespread for both sides.

    The things are so common in this conflict that one needs to be impregnated to deny that - which is what you are performing now.

    Here you have Ukrs firing Pion with claimed round :



    Here you have remains of subammunition from Iskander :



    There are thousands of Uragan/Smerch cargo sections scattering the ground everywhere there. There are tons of registered films showing use of it, everywhere.

    Here you have a photo from 2015, Dobaltsevo city.

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    And here you have a cherry picking, from Aleppo this time. Yes, I know, it is Syria - and guess who was dropping RBK containers there?



    Further discussion in a matter of denying that is a waste of my time, so I won't participate.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:04 am

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    ‼ So the Russians are apparently returning much of Odessa's port infrastructure to its pre-Russian Empire status.

    I submit they have a persuasive argument that it is entirely within their natural and lawful rights to do so. After all, they are the ones who built it all in the first place.

    I suspect it's something they've actually wanted to do for a long time now, but grudgingly refrained from it in the interest of broader geopolitical considerations.

    But the destruction of a single span of the highway lanes of the Kerch bridge has — at least in the eyes of most of those they desire to make and keep as friends — provided them with an ironclad justification to retaliate against the presumed source of that attack.

    And although it remains for the daylight and photo evidence to more clearly reveal the score, it appears that essential elements of the seaborne logistical hubs of Ukraine are being forcibly closed — as well, if early reports are true, important air defense installations in the vicinity.

    I expect the Russians will also follow this move with some sort of expansion of their "forbidden zone" on and over the Black Sea.

    The escalatory ladder tallies yet another rung.

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    The port in Odessa is being absolutely rocked, and there is an additional wave of Shaheds on the way. At least 8 TU-95's airborne right now.

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    Ukraine claims that tonight’s attack on Odesa consisted of:

    - 16 Kalibr cruise missiles
    - 8 Kh-22 missiles
    - 6 P-800 Oniks missiles
    - 1 Kh-59 missile
    - 32 Shaded drones

    Of these Ukrainian air defense intercepted:

    - 13 Kalibr cruise missiles
    - 1 Kh-59 missile
    - 23 Shaded drones





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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:08 am

    A Ukie response

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    A Russian Arms Depot in Occupied-Crimea near the Town of Staryi Krym also know as “Old Crimea” has reportedly been Struck by a Ukrainian “Kamikaze” Attack Drone this morning causing a Large Fire to occur and setting off Secondary Explosions.

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    The Fire at the Russian Military Training Ground and Arms Depot in the Kirovsky District of Eastern Crimea is continuing to burning and spread after it was reportedly Targeted by at least 3 Ukrainian Attack Drones this morning; the Russian Ministry of Emergency Situations has Closed the nearby Highway and announced the Evacuation of roughly 2,000 Residents from 4 Settlements near the Training Ground due to High Risks of the Fire continuing to spread.



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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:09 am

    This thing proves a niche existing in the Russian striking systems.
    It is 300 km straight line from Sevastopol to Odessa.
    And Russian forces occupy positions halving that distance.
    Yet they must use expensive strike platforms to hit it, lacking the ones 120-500 km range.
    I would expect something to change here, soon.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:26 am

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    🇺🇦🇷🇺 Bloomberg: Zelensky's fantasies to continue the grain deal without Russia are meaningless

    Ukraine urges other countries to continue deliveries from its three deep-water ports covered by the agreement, the newspaper writes. However, the United States said that escorting ships is not an option.

    📝 “No sane owner would go there uninsured. Without the protection of a safe corridor, Ukraine’s trade is dead,” said the co-director of the Greek company Doric Shipbrokers SA, which previously sent ships through the shipping lane.

    No one will sail to Ukraine without Russian guarantees

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    Post  Belisarius Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:27 am

    There are reports that the  Odessa port infrastructure has been hit again.

    The mood in the Ukrainian segment of Telegram is decadent today

    The Kartel channel made its conclusions about the reports from Odessa:

    "It is now definitely clear that the Russians are hitting the entire port infrastructure. Odessa, Ilyichevsk, Ochakov, Nikolaev, everywhere are recording arrivals. Most likely, the arrivals will also be on Belgorod-Dnestrovskyi, on Yuzhny, Izmail, Reni.

    A couple of weeks of such shelling and only memories will remain from the ports. The air defence in the region has collapsed. Sometimes air defence missiles just go off the way"


    Ukrainian monitoring channels report new launches of cruise missiles towards Odessa region from the Black Sea direction.

    https://t.me/Slavyangrad/55629

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:21 pm

    Now looks more like Bagdad 2003 ...

    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/73832

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    Post  Hole Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:33 pm

    usage of CNN on Lancet 
    CNN working for Russia now.  lol1

    Yet they must use expensive strike platforms to hit it, lacking the ones 120-500 km range.
    Gerans are cheap.
    P-800, Kh-22 and Kh-59 got the right range. First ones propably used because of their big warhead.
    Kaliber is likely cheaper than the good old R-300 was back in the days.

    Of these Ukrainian air defense intercepted:

    - 13 Kalibr cruise missiles
    - 1 Kh-59 missile
    - 23 Shaded drones
    Sure. Why not. I got a nice bridge to sell.  lol1

    Polish meltdown.
    That chart shows what 30 to 70 years of relentless propaganda can do to people living under US occupation.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:37 pm

    Holly shit ...

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    Screens from Virazh-Planshet Ukro AD command subsystem ...

    It was the heaviest attack in a war, and seems like it is ongoing ...

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:10 pm

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    🇷🇺⚔🇺🇦More info on the Russian attack between Marinka and Krasnogorovka

    Surprise attack of a large Russian armored group broke through the defense of the AFU near Donetsk at the Trudovskaya mine

    ▪An unexpected attack that began yesterday with significant forces allowed our fighters to make significant progress, ours are gaining a foothold on the achieved lines and clearing the complex of buildings near the mine from the enemy.

    ▪The enemy is actively resisting, including carrying out large-scale remote mining of our forward positions and the nearest rear.

    ▪Also, our artillery hit the ammunition depot of the AFU in Krasnogorovka.

    ▪So far, all attempts of enemy counterattacks have been thwarted.
    ▪During the fighting, ours took about 1 km of territory towards Krasnogorovka. The enemy was taken by surprise and now we continue to expand the zone of control. The Armed Forces of Ukraine put up fierce resistance, not sparing shells.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:45 pm

    i guess no more grain deal,...with or without Russia's participation lol1

    the state of the grain loading facilities in Odessa.

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    There is seriously nowhere to run and hide with these Lancets

    RF Lancet strike on Ukrainian Strela-10 Anti aircraft vehicle in the Avdiivka region



    RF MSTA-S take out Ukrainian Crab artillery at Kremennaya


    Russian Millitary after the Bridge bombing be like:


    Arrival of Russian missile in Odessa on the night of the 18th

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    Post  Erk Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:13 pm

    Gee, I didn't expect Russia to target the Odessa grain loading machinery.
    I guess the want Ukraine to use rail instead.

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    Post  lancelot Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:15 pm

    ALAMO wrote:This thing proves a niche existing in the Russian striking systems.
    It is 300 km straight line from Sevastopol to Odessa.
    And Russian forces occupy positions halving that distance.
    Yet they must use expensive strike platforms to hit it, lacking the ones 120-500 km range.
    Like Hole said, that is about the range of the Kh-59. But the thing is, I doubt the Kh-59 is significantly cheaper than a Kalibr.
    Both missiles use the exact same engine. TRDD-50. The extra range is basically a matter of enlarging the fuel tank on the cruise missile.
    If they want to make the whole thing cheaper then they need to work on the cost of the engine and electronics of the missile.
    Size and range seems to be just fuel, which is not particularly expensive.

    Still I do think they need to put more modern weapons like Kh-59MK2 into mass production. And maybe make a stealth version of Kalibr.

    Erk wrote:Gee, I didn't expect Russia to target the Odessa grain loading machinery.
    I guess the want Ukraine to use rail instead.
    The more they overload the Ukrainian railway network and strain their logistics the better. And it is quite rich for the West to state Russia is responsible for world hunger, when they have been hobbling Russia and Belarussia's grain and fertilizer exports. Which dwarf whatever Ukraine exports.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:32 pm

    Considering the interception ratio, stealth Kalibr would be overkill already Laughing

    But as "niche" I meant some really cheap stuff like extended range Tornado-S missiles. Or lower tier ballistic, smaller than Iskander.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:36 pm

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    Except the Soviet state had such technology for its anti ship missiles in the 1970s...


    I would agree, except the moskit or granit method was to send one missile higher, which would search with radar, and send updates by datalink , thereby updating the pack

    So the active search method is by radar

    With neural networks, it is an optical based system, which is matching the image captured , to images stored on a database, and if parameters of said image match the aspect from different profiles of say a Leopard tank or Bradley, then the neural network would confirm this is a good target and the Lancet would home in using its on board telemetry

    So the pack method, yes has existed since USSR , but neural networks are a sort of new feature, which allow a vehicle which is much lighter and smaller, to abandon radar , and to rely on optical means of recognizing the target and couple them with algorithmic sequences to provide guidance and confirmation

    There is no need for an operator, or midcourse updates - the neural network can do it and is in fact becoming smarter everytime, this is the future and a primitive means of "artificial intelligence"

    As neural networks supported by even better computers and processors develop, entirely new flight systems can be developed, to the point S70 Okhotnik could utilize a highly developed neural network, which can assist in flying, or even developing targets when it bombs , or launching AAM missiles when the neural network scans the sky

    In fact, we are entering a new opoch of warfare

    Imagine this on a Orion drone, flying in a closed loop, using the neural network while scanning from many miles high -

    You cannot jam such a drone, you might only shoot it down, but what if you do not know it is even there?

    Using EW would not do anything, not when the drone in question is no longer using GPS or Radio frequency

    I do not use the term wunderwaffe, rather I say it is a revolution in unmanned combat- one which is confirmed by Alexander Zakharov, the director of Zala , a subsidiary of the Kalashnikov Concern

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    Post  nomadski Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:41 pm

    All is fair in love and war  . The Kerch Bridge hit again ? It's Groundhog day  . I did mention making extra sections , just in case . As Einstein said " doing the same thing  and expecting different results is madness . " So permanently damage Grain Silo/ Port ? They will turn to Trains , and  the Grain will rot , in favour of Arms .  More refugees are no problems , more toilet cleaners for the EU . More tenants / domestic sex slaves for the landlords . Why not go the whole (Ground) hog and cut the Electric and water ? Insure no population left to recruit into Army ? That's one way of doing it , no meat left to grind ! But NATO will pay recruits and give them Arms and food and water . Therefore only condition for peace : Any proxy Army of NATO soldier must know that he will not live long enough to enjoy the fruits of his murder  . He will die 100% , in 100% of engagements .


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:51 pm

    "Moving children out of a war zone is not a war crime... and is fucking hilarious considering the white european colonial past of taking native children from native families to bring the darkies up in the white way... most were treated as a cross between slaves and zoo exhibits."

    I ignore your posts because you are such a fanboy you deny any reality that doesn't suit your narrative.

    'Russians haven't used cluster ammo before' Despite that being so easily proven.

    Russia has moved families and people out of Ukraine, which is an Article against the Gen Convention which your buddy Wolf, said say what article they are ignoring and I gave him the answer, I never called it a warcrime, you are has always trying to put words in people mouths and changing the context, I have told you many times if your going to behave like that, simply do not respond to me.

    "So what you are saying is that a modern ship transporting military drones to destroy infrastructure is a legitimate target.... so Russia should just sink ships and when weapons and ammo and drones are found in the sunken wreckage then everything will be all fine..."

    Learn history, The Germans knew she was carrying munitions and even posted in the papers anyone getting on her due to this was at risk, they just didn't seek a passenger liner and go 'Well gee, I hope there is Ammo on that boat', pathetic you tried to spin doctor that shit to twist my words and now back t ignoring your posts, I just had to comment on your sheer amazing levels of astounding ignorance


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