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    Prigozhin mutiny thread

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    Post  kvs Wed Jun 28, 2023 6:00 am

    Prigozhin was "Putin's caterer" during the Russiagate hoax hysteria during Trump's presidency. The social media influence story
    involves Prigozhin. It looks like Prigozhin has been a NATzO asset since before 2016. NATzO must have quite a few other such
    assets in Russia which accounts for the cockiness about regime change.

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    Post  Backman Wed Jun 28, 2023 6:13 am

    I am not trying to be brash or anything but if this was the USSR at any point. Or the Russian empire, Prigozin and Utkin would both be shot. They deserved it and it also serves as a deterrence. There is no reason to keep this trouble around. Putin is the president. He can legally have people killed.

    As long as Prigozhin is alive or not in custody, it is virtually guaranteed that he will cause anther incident. He is the exact kind of personality that will go down in flames one day at his own choosing. It is a minor miracle that he didn't choose to do that this time.

    Basically all the Russia watching media is serving up cope.



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    Post  AMCXXL Wed Jun 28, 2023 7:22 am

    Prigozhin is a public relations, he has done what he was ordered

    The objective of the mashkirovlka was to uncover the Ukros infiltrators in Wagner and liquidate them.

    The helicopters and the airplane all of electronic warfare and communications are the main objective of NATO
    The attacked convoy was heading to the Biturlinovka base from where many of these devices operate in addition to Su-34
    Last month they already hunted in Briansk a couple of Mi-8MTPR-1 in addition to an Su-34 and an Su-35 thanks to a tip-off
    Terrorism is NATO's main weapon of war

    Volodia, this Stalin's little apprentice is going to make a small purge among the high command and members of the state who have faltered during the crisis

    Everything is going according to plan


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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Wed Jun 28, 2023 7:50 am

    What I think now. Wagner's coup was a false flag operation. Wagner is a mercenary but strongly nationalist organization. They are not going to betray Russia to benefit the Ukrainian whores or the Yankees. It was all planned to discover deserters and traitors in the government and in the army. And have an excuse to increase security and internal surveillance

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    Post  Mir Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:42 am

    Backman wrote:Why was there no persistent narrative about Prigozins corruption ? His kids. His big houses. His shady deals. I suspect because the CIA wasn't seeding narratives against him. But they were against Shoigu and Garisimov.

    Do we have the names of these 37 pilots and crews?

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    Post  Ned86 Wed Jun 28, 2023 11:28 am

    Mir wrote:
    Backman wrote:Why was there no persistent narrative about Prigozins corruption ? His kids. His big houses. His shady deals. I suspect because the CIA wasn't seeding narratives against him. But they were against Shoigu and Garisimov.

    Do we have the names of these 37 pilots and crews?

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    there was no 37, 11 crew members on Il-18 and 2 Ka-52 pilots.

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    Post  Erk Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:53 pm

    Scott Ritter on Redacted earlier today.

    He has no love for Prigozhin.

    Apparently private armies, or the equipping private armies by the MOD in Russian soil is illegal.

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    Post  AMCXXL Wed Jun 28, 2023 1:02 pm

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:What I think now. Wagner's coup was a false flag operation. Wagner is a mercenary but strongly nationalist organization. They are not going to betray Russia to benefit the Ukrainian whores or the Yankees. It was all planned to discover deserters and traitors in the government and in the army. And have an excuse to increase security and internal surveillance

    everything is going according to plan

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    Post  Regular Wed Jun 28, 2023 1:57 pm

    From Rybar:

    https://t.me/rybar/49112


    💀 Yevgeny Prigozhin's Saturday rebellion became an occasion for settling scores and denigrating uncomfortable figures. In the morning, we mentioned the possible (we emphasize separately, these are just rumors) Surovikin's arrest and interrogations in the light of his direct connection with Yevgeny Prigozhin.

    The Western media have joined the campaign to denigrate Surovikin, and this is a clear marker of how uncomfortable the figure of the “Armageddon General” is for Western media structures.

    But this same figure is inconvenient from the point of view of a whole galaxy of military officials who are now trying to settle scores.

    🔻Let us suggest what claims can be made against Surovikin:

    ▪the most controversial mobilization, which was already carried out under him when he was the commander of the NWO;

    ▪attacks on the energy infrastructure of Ukraine that were not brought to mind;

    ▪pulling apart individual parts of the Central Military District in other directions;

    ▪actions of the group of troops "Vostok", which led to scandals and losses near Ugledar;

    ▪ Leaving the right bank of the Dnieper.

    We are sure that Surovikin's opponents will put pressure on this when they try to remove the commander-in-chief of the VKS into the shadows. Every medal has two sides.

    We also have enough questions about Surovikin’s actions, but we understand that everything needs to be considered as a whole. Properly built defense before the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is, for example, his merit. And the cleared Augean stables during mobilization. And the use of Iranian Shaheeds with Mohajers. And the operation "Bakhmut meat grinder", which gave time for a respite of the RF Armed Forces.

    In the fall of last year, it was Surovikin who reported to the Supreme Commander that the RF Armed Forces were not ready for a large-scale offensive - it took time to prepare the troops. Yes, he was ostracized for that. But if unprepared units of the Russian Armed Forces went on the offensive against the minefields where Ukrainian formations were waiting for them, it would be much worse than in February-March 2022.

    We hope that now - at the time of the witch hunt and the cleansing of the military internal political field - common sense will still prevail.
    #VSRF #Russia #PMC
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    Post  kvs Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:34 pm

    Keyboard generals are the final authority on Russia's readiness, of course. Anyone claiming the mobilization from last fall is some sort of fail
    is a total retard or malicious agent. It is clear to anyone with an engaged brain that there were insufficient Russian troops for the campaign.
    The initial scheme of shocking Kiev into negotiations actually succeeded but NATzO intervened. Surovikin's decisions were optimal including
    the attrition strategy and the mobilization.

    The drivel being quoted by Rybar is pure cringe.

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    Post  Mir Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:37 pm

    Ned86 wrote:
    Mir wrote:
    Backman wrote:Why was there no persistent narrative about Prigozins corruption ? His kids. His big houses. His shady deals. I suspect because the CIA wasn't seeding narratives against him. But they were against Shoigu and Garisimov.

    Do we have the names of these 37 pilots and crews?

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    there was no 37, 11 crew members on Il-18 and 2 Ka-52 pilots.

    Right. Do we have the names and funeral arrangements for the unlucky 13!?
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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:49 pm

    Fighter-bomber has a video with all killed members of Il-22 plane:
    https://t.me/fighter_bomber/12955

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    Post  Backman Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:07 pm


    From Rybar:

    ) Surovikin's arrest and interrogations in the light of his direct connection with Yevgeny Prigozhin.

    The Western media have joined the campaign to denigrate Surovikin,

    Ah so the CIA's next target is Surivikin. Watch the hoards of Telegram retards who think they are pro Russia, start denigrating Surivikin. Just like they did with Shoigu and Gerasimov.

    From Rybar of course. I was in early on Progozhin and I have been calling for the shutdown of Rybar 5 months into the war. It is not hard to spot questionable behavior.

    The CIA has successfully smeared and seeded disinfo on almost every public figure involved in the war. Who have they missed ?

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    Post  Mir Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:34 pm

    There is footage on Fighter Bomber that appears to be the IL-22 going down from considerable height -which may be well beyond the range of any MANPADS?
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:38 pm

    It is funny to read how things Surovikin is "responsible for" turned out to be very well made tactical decisions.
    But meta kids have a general issue with perspective.

    Mir wrote:There is footage on Fighter Bomber that appears to be the IL-22 going down from considerable height -which may be well beyond the range of any MANPADS?

    They had Pancyr in a column, so you can easily increase the height to 7-8 km.
    What is more interesting, it was a very rare plane taken down, and the column was heading toward the unit that keeps most of the Russian ER&C aircraft.
    I mean, the number of voices that the whole action was to burn a barn and make rats running increases steadily. Today it was announced, that there will be an official investigation about Duma members who run for tickets to Tbilisi or other Astana when only early info emerged ...

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    Post  Mir Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:51 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    They had Pancyr in a column, so you can easily increase the height to 7-8 km.
    What is more interesting, it was a very rare plane taken down, and the column was heading toward the unit that keeps most of the Russian ER&C aircraft.
    I mean, the number of voices that the whole action was to burn a barn and make rats running increases steadily. Today it was announced, that there will be an official investigation about Duma members who run for tickets to Tbilisi or other Astana when only early info emerged ...

    Maybe Progozin was hoping he can get two flies with one shot! Rolling Eyes

    Anyway this whole "thing" leaves a lot of questions unanswered but if it was a sting to get rid of the rats in the house then it probably paid off big time.
    I just don't buy into the story that the CIA knew well in advance. I'm pretty sure they knew f***all.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:58 pm

    An overall shape of the CIA lately leaves a serious doubt if they are capable of finding their own arse, double-handed, and with the celling lights on.
    That is why I am not amazed by the fact that they will claim to know everything, everywhere, and much in advance.

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    Post  Backman Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:02 pm

    From Slavyngrad

    Today is a day of rumour, innuendo, and speculation, 100% of it bullshit. I.e. a day of bullshit. The communal sewers of Telegram have spontaneously erupted. I suggest everyone go outside and enjoy the fresh air instead of the social media stench. It will clear up in a few hours.

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    Post  kvs Wed Jun 28, 2023 11:43 pm

    DW is crapping something about a "purge" in the Russian army since supposedly Surovikin is missing. Surovikin has not shown any
    pro-NATzO behaviour so he is not likely to be purged. But there is going to be a purge of some people connected to Wagner.
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    Post  Erk Thu Jun 29, 2023 12:32 am

    The way I figure it so far was that.
    Prigozhin's main source of revenue was the Wagner Group, and catering business both funded by the MoD.

    For some reason the MoD cancelled those contracts (perhaps because of Prigozhin's public remarks)
    Suddenly he has lost his main source income, and is really angry as a result.

    The "coup", and vitriol towards certain individuals, would be his over reaction to the loss of income.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jun 29, 2023 12:57 am

    Not sure where to put this. Wagner still recruiting.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:23 am

    Maybe true

    https://t.me/CyberspecNews/34585

    RLS+Kvadrat reports on the deployment of NATO mercenaries:

    “The entire Seversk district—from Zvanovka, to Zakotny, and to Serebryanka—is simply swarming with mercenaries. In a number of settlements they’ve occupied all the houses. Female and male terrorists, Americans and Poles. Blacks and Arabs. Very few Ukrainians.

    They are unlikely to go in the direction of Sporny—it is impossible to pass there. In the direction of Kremennaya, through the forests, is also problematic. They will not go around. The LPR Belogorovka settlement, that's where they will stay.

    The most likely direction of the planned attack is Soledar/Artyomovsk.

    Total number of the mercenaries is at least 15 thousand + armor and “jihadmobiles.””

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    Post  Kiko Thu Jun 29, 2023 2:45 am

    What Happens in Russia After the Longest Day?, by Pepe Escobar for The Cradle. 06.28.2023.

    The first draft of the extraordinary events that took place in Russia on The Longest Day – Saturday, June 24 – leads us to a whole new can of worms.

    The Global Majority badly wants to know what happens next. Let’s examine the key pieces in the chessboard.

    Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is cutting to the chase: he has reminded everyone that the Hegemon’s modus operandi is to back coup attempts whenever it can benefit. This dovetails with the fact that the FSB is actively investigating whether and how Western intel was involved in The Longest Day.

    President Putin could not have been more unequivocal:

    “They [the West and Ukraine] wanted Russian soldiers to kill each other, so that soldiers and civilians would die, so that in the end Russia would lose, and our society would break apart and choke on bloody civil strife (…) They rubbed their hands, dreaming of getting revenge for their failures at the front and during the so-called counter-offensive, but they miscalculated.”

    Cue to the collective West – from Secretary of State Anthony Blinken on down – frantically trying to distance itself even as the CIA leaked, via its trademark mouthpiece, the Washington Post, that they knew about “the rebellion.”

    The agenda was painfully obvious: Kiev losing on all fronts would be ritually buried by wall-to-wall coverage of the fake Russian “civil war.”

    There’s no smoking gun – yet. But the FSB is following several leads to demonstrate how the “the rebellion” was set up by CIA/NATO. The spectacular failure makes the upcoming NATO July 11 summit in Vilnius even more incandescent.

    The Chinese, much like Lavrov, also cut to the chase: the Global Times asserted that the idea of “Wagner’s revolt weakening Putin’s authority is wishful thinking of the West,” with the Kremlin’s “strong capacity of deterrence” further increasing its authority. That’s exactly the reading of the Russian street.

    The Chinese reached their conclusion after a crucial visit by Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs Andrei Rudenko, who promptly flew to Beijing on Sunday, June 25. This is how the iron-clad strategic partnership works in practice.

    “The rebellion” as a P.R. stunt

    Arguably the best explanation so far of the nuts and bolts of The Longest Day has been offered by Rostislav Ischenko.

    The Global Majority will rejoice that Prighozin’s theatrics, in the end, left the collective West dazed, confused, and shattered: wasn’t the whole thing supposed to unleash total chaos inside Russian society and the army?

    Even as the fake, lightning-quick “mutiny” was in progress, Russia continued to pound Kiev’s forces – which, by the way, were spinning that the main phase of the “counter-offensive” was being launched exactly on June 24 at night. That was, predictably, yet another bluff.

    Back to the Russian street. “The rebellion” – inbuilt in a very convoluted plot – in the end was widely interpreted as just another military demonstration (by master of ceremonies Prighozin, not by the overwhelming majority of Wagner soldiers). “The rebellion” turned out to be a Western P.R. stunt, a series of (ultimately faded) pictures for global consumption.

    But now things are bound to get way more serious.

    Lavrov, once again, pointed to the role being played by the ever-self-aggrandized Le Petit Roi, Emmanuel Macron, right up there with the United States: “Macron clearly saw in the developments an opportunity to realize the threat of Ukraine dealing Russia a strategic blow, a mantra NATO leaders have been holding onto.”

    So just like Kiev and the collective Western media, Lavrov added, Macron remains part of a single “machine” working against Moscow. That ties up with Putin, who stated of Macron’s Sunday intervention that “the entire Western military, economic and information machine has been set in motion against us.”

    And that’s a fact.

    Betting on a “long-term economic blockade”

    Another fact adds to the more ominous clouds on the horizon.

    While no one was paying attention, a mini-Congress of national security officials took place in Copenhagen exactly on the fateful 24 and 25 of June.

    They were arguably discussing “peace in Ukraine.” The chairman was none other than US National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan.

    Present at the meeting were Brazil, Germany, the U.K., France, Italy, Denmark, India, Canada, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, South Africa, Japan, Ukraine – and the proverbial Eurocrat of the non-sovereign EU.

    Note the G7 majority, side by side with three BRICS and two aspiring BRICS+ members.

    “Peace in Ukraine” means, in this context, the so-called 10-point “Zelensky peace plan,” which implies a total Russian strategic defeat – complete with the restoration of Ukraine within the borders of 1991 and payment of colossal “reparations” by Moscow.

    No wonder China was not part of it. Yet three BRICS – call them the weakest nodes – were there. BRICS and BRICS+ prospective members compose the six “swing states” which will be relentlessly courted and/or submitted to hardcore Hybrid Wars by the Hegemon to “behave” when it comes to Ukraine: Brazil, India, South Africa, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Indonesia.

    Then there’s the 11 th EU sanctions package, which is taking the economic war against Russia to a whole new level, as attested by Acting Permanent Representative to the EU, Kirill Logvinov.

    Logvinov explained how “Brussels intends to drag as many countries as possible into this war (…) There is a clear shift from a failed blitzkrieg, which was said to be aimed at causing irreparable damage to Russia, to a multi-move game with the goal of establishing a kind of long-term economic blockade against our country.”

    That’s undiluted Hybrid War territory – and the key targets are the six “swing states.”

    Logvinov remarked how “the EU always prefers to use blackmail and coercion. Since the EU remains the biggest economic partner for many countries, as well as a source of investment and a financial donor, Brussels clearly has enough leverage to exert pressure. So, the EU’s fight against the bypassing of sanctions is expected to be lengthy and uncompromising.”

    So welcome to extraterritorial sanctions, EU-style, blacklisting companies from third countries “suspected” of re-exporting banned goods to Russia or engaged in oil trade without taking the so-called Russian oil price cap into account.

    Fun in the Belarussian sun

    Among so many cheap thrills, what will be the next role of the main actor in The Longest Day (and even before)? And does it matter?

    Chinese scholars are fond of reminding us that during China’s periods of turmoil – for instance, at the end of the Han and Tang dynasties – the reason was always warlords not following orders from the Emperor.

    The Ottoman Empire’s Janissaries – their Wagner at the time – were meant to protect the Sultan and fight his wars. They ended up deciding who could be Sultan – as much as Roman Empire legionaries ended up deciding who would be Emperor.

    Chinese advice is always prescient: Beware of how you use your soldiers. Make sure they believe in what they’re fighting for. Otherwise, they’ll turn around to bite you.

    And that leads us to Prighozin once again changing his story (he’s a specialist on the matter).

    He’s now saying that June 23-24 was just a mere “demonstration” to express his discontent. The main objective was to prove the superiority of Wagner over the Russian Army.

    Well, everybody knew about that: Wagner soldiers have been in combat day in, day out for over 10 years now in Libya, Syria, the Central African Republic, and Ukraine.

    And that’s why he could boast that “Wagner advanced for 700 km without meeting any resistance. If Russia had asked them to be in charge of the war from the beginning, that would have been over by the night of February 24, 2022.”

    Prighozin is also alluding to a deal with Belarus – laying extra fog of war around a possible transfer of Wagner under Belarus jurisdiction. NATO is already terrified in advance. Expect more ballooning military budgets – to be imposed at the Vilnius summit next month.

    Camps to accommodate at least 8,000 Wagner fighters are already being built in Belarus, in the Mogilev region – according to “Vyorstka” (“Layout”).

    The real story behind it is that Belarus, for quite a while, has been expecting a possible attack from rabid Poland. In parallel, as much as sending NATO into extra freakout mode, Moscow could be contemplating the opening of a new front between Lviv and Kiev.

    Wagner in Belarus makes total sense. The Belarussian Army is not exactly strong. Wagner secures Russia’s western front. That will raise major hell on NATO – even figuratively, and force them to spend even more astronomical sums. And Wagner can merrily use airports in Belarus to pursue its – rebranded – activities in West Asia and Africa.

    Everything that happened since The Longest Day is part of a new dramatic plot twist in a running series – way more gripping than whatever Netflix could offer.

    Yet what the majority of Russian public opinion really seems to expect is not another farcical Ride of the Valkyrie. They expect a serious draining of the Soviet-style bureaucratic swamp, and a real commitment to get this “almost war” to its logical conclusion as quickly as possible.

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/what-happens-in-russia-after-the-longest-day/

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    Post  PhSt Thu Jun 29, 2023 3:48 am


    Betting on a “long-term economic blockade”

    In this scenario, Russia will need to increase its nuclear arsenal to a minimum of at least twice the size of the Soviet Union's peak.

    Blackmail NATO and its cohorts that an economic blockade against Russia will mean mutual destruction. attack
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jun 29, 2023 4:25 am

    kvs wrote:DW is crapping something about a "purge" in the Russian army since supposedly Surovikin is missing. Surovikin has not shown any
    pro-NATzO behaviour so he is not likely to be purged. But there is going to be a purge of some people connected to Wagner.

    Was Surovikin involved in Prigiozin's coup, yes or no?

    If yes then he should he court-martialed and executed. No and, if or but



    And for the record I think he did good job with bombing Ukrainian infrastructure and grid (half-assed but still improvement from before)

    But that's all irelevant if he committed high treason



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