Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42

Complete bullshit. The indicated radiation level is almost the same as the natural background. DU is dangerous not by radioactivity, but by the toxicity of its chemical compounds.

Yup and you can't grow or husband or hunt or fish or forage for anything in that whole vicinity for decades from now on, unless you want that ol' DU to take the place of calcium in your bones  
Word to the wise, spare yourself the leukemia and ditch that city and start over somewhere else instead.

Once again, all regards go to the United Kingdom, they've been very public in incriminating themselves, and of course thanks also go to whatever other NATO states that transferred their radioactive stocks to the Ukraine more discretely. It was mostly stored in this here stockpile by the sounds of things. Or should I say, by the Geiger counter of things  

Geran2/Shahed-136 data unveiled  on Iran's weapon show:

US was fighting against Serbia

Russia is fighting against apes

Russia doesn't have an excuse, every time they get slapped around the fault lies solely with them

America thinks everyone who is not American are apes... the US government thinks anyone with less than 100 million dollars in the bank is an ape whether they are American or not.

When you are in a fight and the Serb cheer squad tells you that you are a loser because the other guy landed a hit of any kind then you start to wonder why that Serb is in the cheer leading squad... surely he should be in the ring too...

That's what special forces are trained for. They infiltrate, plant bombs and mines, disrupt and assassinate. Even the smallest SAM/MANPADS leave a smoke trail in the air. So far I have not seen any?

We also live in a world where people are fully prepared to lie and cheat and even kill for a couple of dollars.

It might not be MANPADS... many countries have modified AAMs like R-73s and R-60s to be surface launched for use against western forces where such missiles would otherwise be useless because their aircraft can't get airborne to use them normally.

How hard would it be to carry IRS-T missiles into Russian territory... they are supposed to be so amazing you can target parts of the aircraft... target the nose to damage the crew compartment and damage the ejection system...

Meeting in Berlin today: Zelenskyi and Scholz

That is fake... this is what Scholz looks like:

Rybar says it could be NASAMS (has link16 and radar has optical sensors...)

Launch it from very close... below in fact... and they might not have time to react, but I think the passive IIR guided IRS-T is more likely.

WW2, Korea, Central America, South America, Balkans, etc...

WW2 the Soviets did all the heavy lifting... Korea was a draw, and central and south america is big powerful America bullying little countries one at a time... which is what they are best at, but they don't do it alone... they form up a gang of losers to support them...

Key to American success? No pussyfooting, kill everything

They lost in Vietnam and many other countries like Afghanistan and Somalia... and it isn't about pussy footing they really have no value for human life, which is why everyone hates them.

We were pussyfooting and we got what we deserved, now Russians are doing the same and they will get the same at this rate

You were surrounded and facing the entire west essentially isolated and on your own... there are no tactics you could have used to win... that is why they took you on in the first place... Friends of Russia we can beat in a couple of days and look big and powerful to everyone.

78 days later they lie to the Russians and get them to get you to end it like cowards.

Don't give them credit for being anything but scum.

.It is worth noting that panic reports are spreading in Ukrainian social networks that during the detonation of an ammunition depot in Khmelnytsky, a large batch of British tank ammunition with depleted uranium, which was recently brought to Ukraine along with Storm Shadow missiles, was also destroyed.

Hahahaha.... and the UK government has already said it is harmless so they can't blame Russia for war crimes...

Normally the DU turns to a very fine powder on impact, but burning it has the same effect... which is why it was normally buried instead of burned to dispose of it.

Complete bullshit. The indicated radiation level is almost the same as the natural background. DU is dangerous not by radioactivity, but by the toxicity of its chemical compounds.

DU is depleted Uranium... that means it is spent nuclear fuel rods so the level of radiation is not high, but when used as a weapon it is reduced to a fine talcum like powder that enters the body easily and that is when it becomes very dangerous.

Spikes in radiation levels would not occur with conventional fuel or conventional ammo burning and if you look at the scales being used the increase in radiation is actually not very significant, but as an indicator that DU ammo is present, that is an explanation... and because of the nature of DU and how it is dangerous even a small increase in radiation indicates very large amounts of material being released in the fire.

From Pythons link


In Khmelnitsky, a fire was extinguished yesterday after a strike on military warehouses. It is claimed that in addition to ammunition, 83 million euros worth of satellite communication systems, military tablets, and data encryption systems were destroyed. According to available information, a total of €200-220 million was blown up. Cargo from Denmark, Germany, Italy, Japan.

GarryB wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:We were pussyfooting and we got what we deserved, now Russians are doing the same and they will get the same at this rate

You were surrounded and facing the entire west essentially isolated and on your own...

78 days later...

I was talking about 10 years before that

Backman wrote:From Pythons link


In Khmelnitsky, a fire was extinguished yesterday after a strike on military warehouses. It is claimed that in addition to ammunition, 83 million euros worth of satellite communication systems, military tablets, and data encryption systems were destroyed. According to available information, a total of €200-220 million was blown up. Cargo from Denmark, Germany, Italy, Japan.

More likely the Ukrainians moved all the expensive stuff, leaked out what was there, had the Russians blow it all up, so they can sell the valuable stuff on the black market. Perfect crime.

PapaDragon wrote:

GarryB wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:We were pussyfooting and we got what we deserved, now Russians are doing the same and they will get the same at this rate

You were surrounded and facing the entire west essentially isolated and on your own...

78 days later...

I was talking about 10 years before that

There was no pussyfooting around in Vietnam. The US was so vastly richer and more powerful then the enemy, even using the B-52 to rain bombs on all of Indochina, 2x the bombs then all of WWII!!! yet the USA still LOST. Now what would have happened if the US invaded N. Vietnam? Definitely a direct land war with China and maybe the USSR as well. CHECKMATE. Now scurry back across the ocean and keep getting fatter.

and the cope for that explosion now is "it's an old ammunition dump, have no military value"

As if one cannot reuse that warehouse to store something else...

Based on seismic data tho which about 3.4 in Richter scale.. the yield of explosion equals to about 20-139 Metric tonne.

PapaDragon wrote:And best of all Cold War... without firing a shot and by simply telling Sovs to kill themselves which they promptly did

The USSR collapse because the leadership degenerated into a proto-bourgeioise class which inevitably desire the dismantle of the Soviet system, the thing prevent them from appropriation of the national assets for themselves.

It has nothing to do with the so-called American superiority, if they have any.

PapaDragon wrote:Key to American success? No pussyfooting, kill everything

It is the key to American failure in Vietnam, and it is also the key to Nazi failure in Yugoslavia and USSR, when their brutality and racial discrimination served as a solid evidence that the native people should kick their a*s out of their homeland.

Do you know why the Mongol Yuan Dynasty survived less than a century in mainland China ? One of the reasons is because their harsh racial discrimination system prevent them from earning the popular support of the Han Chinese.

Honestly, PapaDragon, there is something that I don't understand. Your homeland Serbia was many times the victim of the brutality from any invaders, including Ottoman, Austro-Hungarian, Nazi, and recently, the USA. It is the USA "kill everything" that devastated Serbia and murdered many Serbians together with other Yugoslavian people. So for what reason do you want other countries to experience the same tragedy and pain that your ancestors suffered ?

And I also feel very frustated that many Russian or pro-Russian netizens resort to the mantra "killing all Ukrainians" and failed to differentiate the Maidan regime from Ukrainian people in general. That behavior is no different from Nazi. Why do they claim to fight against Nazi when they themself behave no different from Nazi ?

More likely the Ukrainians moved all the expensive stuff, leaked out what was there, had the Russians blow it all up, so they can sell the valuable stuff on the black market. Perfect crime.

Was thinking the same thing.

After the earthquake in Christchurch there was something called the street TV.

A nice expensive big screen TV was photographed repeatedly by all the people on each street and that was used as evidence of their big screen TV that got damaged in the Earthquake and they all claimed insurance on that one big TV...

Not everybody did it of course and only certain streets would do it as a group, but there are these people everywhere and there seems to be plenty in the Ukraine.

Why would you store ammo and fuel and expensive equipment all together.

One of the core lessons of the siege of Leningrad was putting all the foodstuffs together mean that if the warehouse is hit you lose all of one foodstuff... it makes sense to have hundreds of warehouses and put a little bit of everything in each.

Losing a warehouse is nothing... it is the contents that are the loss in this case... there will be a lot of them...

It is the key to American failure in Vietnam, and it is also the key to Nazi failure in Yugoslavia and USSR, when their brutality and racial discrimination served as a solid evidence that the native people should kick their a*s out of their homeland.

Some would argue that if Hitler had gone into the Soviet Union pretending to care about the Soviet people and promising to save them from the evil Stalin and the evil communism that enough people might have changed sides to make a real difference.

Instead he treated them all like animals and ended up in a ditch covered in petrol with his new wife on their honeymoon.

higurashihougi wrote:
And I also feel very frustated that many Russian or pro-Russian netizens resort to the mantra "killing all Ukrainians" and failed to differentiate the Maidan regime from Ukrainian people in general.

This is true. But it is just how the war ended up. The govt in Kiev is the problem. Most of the people are just following orders. And if the govt was removed, they would follow the new govts orders. This is why I think they should target the govt in Kiev. Just removed the govt by force and burn the US embassy to the ground.

George Samuelly was on George Galloways show recently and they talk all about this. Its worth a listen. He basically makes the same argument as Papadragon except directed at the regime itself

It might not be MANPADS... many countries have modified AAMs like R-73s and R-60s to be surface launched for use against western forces where such missiles would otherwise be useless because their aircraft can't get airborne to use them normally.

How hard would it be to carry IRS-T missiles into Russian territory... they are supposed to be so amazing you can target parts of the aircraft... target the nose to damage the crew compartment and damage the ejection system...

Hmm...
Early after the incident, some news flashed that multiple missiles has been used against each target to grant a hit.
My thought was, maybe they managed to sneak into Russia some sort of modified R-27T, or TE. They should be able to do that, missiles has been both partially produced and fully serviced in Ukraine for decades. Shoot from the ground, I would guess the range won't surpass 30 km, but can be used fully passive and quite effective against unaware targets.
And it won't left a smoke tail behind very soon after start.
If you take a look at the border in that area - I did after last Ukro intrusion and killing of civilians - there is not a single issue with sneaking into unnoticed. People still farming fields divided by a state border there, and nobody gives a shit about that.

So far the attacks inside Russia , amount to individuals that smuggle portable munitions , no doubt disguised as civilians in private or public transport on land . Russia is a vast country and very difficult to monitor all land borders , obscured in places by forested areas , however , areas covered by water or flat desert areas are more easily monitored . Agent Orange was in Vietnam , a way for the Americans to identify supply routes , however , Russia can not resort to such measures . But what can be done , is to protect the most critical sites .

This can be achieved by creating lines of observation around sites , by removing vegetation by mechanical means , also buildings . An observer can then look straight down a path for several kilometres ( around 20 km ) and observe any foot traffic easily . A one hundred kilometre radius area , necessary to put most SHORAD beyond range , would need a circle area ( well a polygon ) of 600 km . This would need 30 observers only , but perhaps some landscaping work is needed . The other way , is to put Airfield on Islands or Carriers at Sea !

Geran-2 is more a cheap cruise missile than a drone. It doesn't seem to have an onboard camera. It just goes by itslef to the impact point.

The range of Geran means a camera would be useless because it would be too far to transmit the signal the camera can see.

AFAIK Geran is a coordinate attacker and for fixed targets rather than moving targets.

Geran is like a cruise missile but instead of a long thin tube with solid small wings it is essentially a small flying wing full of fuel, so it moves slower but has much better range and accuracy seems good enough... and for the price they should be able to make hundreds of thousands of them.

They are not using 160mm mortars much so getting their ammo and taking the 160mm HE frag bombs which are about 40kgs each you have a ready made HE Frag warhead that could be attached easily enough.

PapaDragon wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:То Papadragon...

Sometimes I wonder if it's possible that you're really such a ****.
Are you being rude on purpose or are you just trolling forum members with provocative messages.
Come on, give me one CLEAN victory of a Western country in some war in the last 100 years. .....

WW2, Korea, Central America, South America, Balkans, etc...

And best of all Cold War... without firing a shot and by simply telling Sovs to kill themselves which they promptly did

Key to American success? No pussyfooting, kill everything
We were pussyfooting and we got what we deserved, now Russians are doing the same and they will get the same at this rate

Perhaps as a teacher you get your script from "history" books, but in reality it was the Western Allies that were pussyfooting during WW2, in the hope that the mighty Wehrmacht would destroy or weaken the Soviets to such an extend that they would pose no threat to the Western Allies. Then Stalingrad happened and the tide was turned as early as 1943. The Western Allies only managed to save Europe from the advancing Soviets late in 1944 and not the mighty Wehrmacht as you would like to teach your children.

Korea was no victory for the Allies - the North and the Chinese kicked their asses all the way back to the 38th parallel. A real Victory for the Allies would have meant - no more Communist North and a puppet regime to rule over a united Korea.

Can't say much about the CIA's bloody drug wars - but it wasn't plain sailing either.

Perhaps as a teacher you get your script from "history" books, but in reality it was the Western Allies that were pussyfooting during WW2, in the hope that the mighty Wehrmacht would destroy or weaken the Soviets to such an extend that they would pose no threat to the Western Allies. Then Stalingrad happened and the tide was turned as early as 1943. The Western Allies only managed to save Europe from the advancing Soviets late in 1944 and not the mighty Wehrmacht as you would like to teach your children.

Yup and that's how they came out of the war with barely a scratch while the USSR suffered 27 million dead.

Once the Western allies started their strategic bombing campaign in earnest, they certainly didn't pussyfoot around but firebombed masses of civilians together with their industries.

About the USSR PapaDragon is quite correct; it collapsed and all these countries started killing one another, and still are, and the Americans don't even have to try all that hard.

I am again of the opinion that the 9M723 rocket from the Iskander-M system is by far the most effective, but I think that those rockets are far more economical than the 3M-14 and H-101.
None of the 9M723 missiles were shot down. As for the H47M2 Kinzhal, it is a beast, so the imbecile West is left to try to sell their desperate air defense system through "shooting down" propaganda.
The Kinzhal missile makes sense for strikes on Poland, Germany, especially the UK, as well as south of those countries - if necessary.

Papadragon, in your subconscious there is the West and you see the whole world through a western angle and you are STILL under western influence. Except for music and cars, I don't give a penny to the West.
What kind of victory of the West in WW2 are you writing about? The only thing that the West "won" on the European front is the German civilian population killed in satanic bombings, while everything is known about Japan.
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I dont give a **** for the population of Germany, France, UK, as well as everyone else - what you sow in the past is what you will eat in the future. I already wrote once that I do not wish anyone death and suffering, but I wish you the Somali standard.
If this means that Serbia also has such a standard - no problem, we will manage more easily than you because we know that and you don't.
I would fight against you with the Muslims, and with the Indians and with the Chinese, with South America. And with the black devil - as long as he is against you.
I don't love you and you are dead to me..

higurashihougi wrote:Honestly, PapaDragon, there is something that I don't understand. Your homeland Serbia was many times the victim of the brutality from any invaders, including Ottoman, Austro-Hungarian, Nazi, and recently, the USA. It is the USA "kill everything" that devastated Serbia and murdered many Serbians together with other Yugoslavian people. So for what reason do you want other countries to experience the same tragedy and pain that your ancestors suffered ?

I don't want anything for anyone, I'm just giving advice based on our experience and mistakes

Me and my ancestors wouldn't have to be victims of we didn't pussyfoot around in every single war and kept forgiving to every single invader, anklebiter and backstabber while living in a fantasy that everything will be better next time and that we can all be friends

Nothing was ever better, it was a retarded way of thinking and we got what we deserved for it

Good Lord Darwin suffers no fools

We didn't exterminate our enemies so our enemies would rebuild, come back and exterminate us and since we shown weakness it invited even more enemies from all over the world

You reap what you sow

The most effective is by far the lancet drone followed Geran 2 that can hit any target and blow it up with its 50kg warhead that is enough to set off any stored ammo in any building.

Kh-101 and Kalibr do the same with better damage thanks to bigger warhead but for a much greater price.

Iskander and Kinzhal are snipers. They need just few minutes to reach the target compare to hours for the above missiles and geran 2 drone. They shouldn't be used for fixed target that can be destroyed by a Geran-2.

flamming_python wrote:
About the USSR PapaDragon is quite correct; it collapsed and all these countries started killing one another, and still are, and the Americans don't even have to try all that hard.

Yugoslavia was no different either. It was doodle in fact. Once the "Communist yoke" (lol!) was lifted the ethnic wars started with a little help from a "friend".

I think the most effective by far are the H47M2 Kinzhal (the 3M22 Zircon is certainly even better) and the 9M723 Iskander.
It is true, the use of those missiles only makes sense against very "important" targets.
I am of the opinion that EXACTLY the two mentioned rockets are used the least because they might be needed for something else.
I would put the H-32 in second place.
As for the 9M729 Iskander, 3M14 Kalibr and H-101 cruise missiles, there is already a chance for them to be shot down, but most will pass, just like any other subsonic missile.

Geran-2 is not even close to anything mentioned above but it is cheaper and for its price it does the job more than well.

To Mir...

Don't mention the red rats - please.
I'm not criticizing you on this occasion, but the red Bolshevik rats, of course..

A country without a national identity does not deserve to exist in the long run.
The red rats tried to break it, as long as the Russian people continue to follow Western "values", then the curse of Papadragon will come to them - it will not exist.
Anyone who does not see that Russia is still in conflict today because of the red Bolshevik rats is malicious to say the least.
It's NOT about God, the church, but about following western "values" and other crap, because of which the population in Europe is collapsing and disappearing.

For me, Russia is NOT saved until I see the TWO-HEADED EAGLES on the walls of the Kremlin towers.

Podlodka77 wrote:I think the most effective by far are the H47M2 Kinzhal (the 3M22 Zircon is certainly even better) and the 9M723 Iskander.
It is true, the use of those missiles only makes sense against very "important" targets.
I am of the opinion that EXACTLY the two mentioned rockets are used the least because they might be needed for something else.
I would put the H-32 in second place.
As for the 9M729 Iskander, 3M14 Kalibr and H-101 cruise missiles, there is already a chance for them to be shot down, but most will pass, just like any other subsonic missile.

Geran-2 is not even close to anything mentioned above but it is cheaper and for its price it does the job more than well.

There is nothing "most effective" if you ask me.
It is all played by the book, and used as an integrated system to deliver strikes.
I would say that every single Russian system proved devastating effects, but only because it is an integrated effort.
Russia obliterated any organized defense, that applies to both ground and air assets. Ukrainians systems has been smashed in organized campaign, and again, it was not air campaign only. Which gives us a thing about multiple force multipliers.
Russian tactics has not changed ever since - every new cruise weapon system proved to be deadly accurate, and highly survivable. Tactics with extense usage of drones, false targets, anti radar air coverage, extensive ECMs created a battle environment, where they can afford to use single missiles to hit a single target.
Now compare that to the Murican practice, when they are forced to use a mass salvos to penetrate relatively weak defense systems. And at the end of a day it turned up, that a whole salvo was forced to hit a hill slope, or they put 20 missiles to demolish an old and empty facility ...

Russians still lack a mid-tier system, to deliver strikes 100/-500 km range. They need some mass and inexpensive missiles of 300 km family, not to waste an expensive iskander for something that can be defeated with 300 mm caliber MLRS.

To Alamo....

Greetings to you.
No, the Air Force has not shown anything, and considering the number of planes shot down and their total cost, I think that my story about the obsolescence of aviation in today's conditions is more than obvious.

Just to let you know that I mean aviation in general, not only Russian.
As far as I'm concerned, it's better for the Russians to deny any story about the mass production of Su-57, Su-75, etc. Aviation was buried and overcome by long-range missiles.
For me, aviation is obsolete and I am not changing that opinion.