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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #41

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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 08, 2023 7:16 am

    Lure in some Poles or other NATO space cadets into West Ukraine and then light them up with standard 2MT

    Deterrent will start working again no problem after that plus it will solve massive number of other problems long before they happen

    If Poles or other HATO cannon fodder enters the conflict then nukes can be justified, because fighting Ukraine they don't need them... against all of HATO they would use them and so as HATO troops start to join the conflict it would make sense to make such a statement to prevent the rest from joining too.

    Polish or any other HATO group forces killed on Ukrainian territory have no one to blame but themselves and certainly would not justify Article 5 self defence clause in the HATO bible because it is about defence and not the invasion of Ukraine.

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    Post  Backman Sat Apr 08, 2023 9:07 am

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    Post  Kiko Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:02 am

    Get the US War Party cornered down by Beijing persistently calling for an immediate ceasefire to avoid a bloodshed in Ukraine.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:10 am

    Hilarious that the western definition of being neutral about this conflict is them arming Kiev but for China not arming Russia.

    They arm Kiev and support it money and intel and advice and they think they will have a part to play in the eventual peace plan.

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    Post  Arrow Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:19 am

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    Post  Kiko Sat Apr 08, 2023 12:28 pm

    Beijing should put forth the idea of knocking out all nuclear arms on global foreign territories (Europe) on negotiating terms.

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    Post  Hole Sat Apr 08, 2023 1:02 pm

    light them up with standard 2MT
    Why should Russia contanimate her own territory?

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Apr 08, 2023 1:24 pm

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    Post  Hole Sat Apr 08, 2023 1:38 pm

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    Post  Kiko Sat Apr 08, 2023 2:29 pm

    In Ukraine, they reported a breakthrough of the Russian military to the T-0504 highway in Artemovsk, 04.08.2023.

    "Russian Spring": Russian forces broke through to the T-0504 highway in Artemovsk.

    Russian assault formations broke through to the T-0504 highway in Artemovsk (Ukrainian name - Bakhmut), arranging a “hellish night” for the armed forces of Ukraine, the media write.

    Ukrainian military analysts and soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine announced “alarming changes” and “heavy fighting” in the Bakhmut direction, the 360 ​​channel reports with reference to Russian Spring.

    In Ukraine, it is reported that the territory near the highway is under the control of the Russian Armed Forces. According to these data, the Wagner PMC fighters are undertaking assault actions in the area of ​​​​Korsunskaya Street and "have some success." The same situation is in other sectors and southwestern regions of Artemovsk.

    On the eve it was reported that the Russian military are engaged in fierce battles with the armed forces of Ukraine (APU) in the area of ​​the Artemivsk railway station.

    https://vz.ru/news/2023/4/8/1206667.html

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Apr 08, 2023 3:08 pm

    Road from Artemovsk.

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    Yup, peremoga is closing at even faster rate ...

    BTW, just take a look at that fukin' car zoo.
    Half of it is civilian.

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    Post  nomadski Sat Apr 08, 2023 3:39 pm


    @ Alamo


    Yup , reminds me of Saddam retreating army from Kuwait , in the Road to Basra..............


    Hog wrote " Would a drawn gun deter a deranged person from charging you with nothing but bare hands from several distance away?Deterrent works, but mostly against sane, rationally minded party.And as much as I am aware, right now, one of the parties is categorically insane. " well no , it would not , but then you draw gun to warn and if not deterred , then you shoot . Unimportant if they are armed or not , since they are deranged , you must assume the worst .
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 08, 2023 3:58 pm

    After the promo stills, here is the movie Laughing

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    Post  Hole Sat Apr 08, 2023 4:55 pm

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    S-60 in the zone.

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    Post  mnztr Sat Apr 08, 2023 6:32 pm

    interesting discusssion above, good points by the american. The longer the war the greater the risk, and even if Russia wins it makes them look weaker. Neocons don't give a damn about the cannon fodder, even if 100 Ukrainians die for each russian, in their eyes it still weakens Russia since the value they place on Ukraine is zero.  Russia in being slapped around just like Europe. The 100B is just funny money, and the arms provided create jobs and build out the US MIC. So saying there is no clock is a strategic mistake. as we can see ukraine is evolving into a battlefront with Europes mic now becoming a protected rear which Russia will not attack. the longer this goes on, more of this gets put into place. russia has to close the western border of Ukraine or the risks start to multiply.
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    Post  sepheronx Sat Apr 08, 2023 6:54 pm

    except that would make sense if it was making Russia weaker, which it isn't. If you have some grey matter between the ears, you would have been noticing something - Russia is increasing its military much more than before. Advancing in new techs for its own needs. Segregated from western Economics thus shielded mostly to the outside influence and now has a large, rather well trained, and experienced forces. Then add in the ever increasing localization of production thus industrialization is happening.

    I am unsure how you, being a member on this forums, seemed to have ignored all of that especially since it has been posted multiple of times by multiple of people.

    Which gives indication you are being disingenuous in whatever you say.

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    Post  Scorpius Sat Apr 08, 2023 7:06 pm

    Specialized units of the Russian Defense Ministry have become owners of invaluable information about the characteristics of a number of critical electronic components of the MQ-9 Reaper. These are the AN/AAS-52 multispectral optoelectronic turret complex, the AN/APY-8 surface radar reconnaissance complex (container type), telemetry and secure satellite communication stations, and the Link-16 data exchange system terminal.

    From the information received from JSC "KRET" and the Federal State Budgetary Institution "Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation", it follows that the specialists of these serious organizations had the opportunity not only to study the desoldering of ultra-high-frequency radar units APY-8, but also to determine the energy parameters of its operation, including the mode of reverse synthesized (ISAR) and synthesized (SAR) apertures. And also calculate the level of noise immunity and the approximate resolution of the radar, based on the data of the devices of the primary (secondary) conversion of the reflected radar signal.

    Moreover, now they will be able to calculate the magnification of long-focus devices and devices of the AN/AAS-52 optoelectronic complex: an infrared sight and a television module. The type or resolution of the matrix photodetectors used in it will not be a secret either. This will further allow us to analyze the capabilities of the American complex in identifying and classifying Russian military equipment at different distances and in different weather conditions.

    Russian specialists have become available to determine the frequency parameters of telemetry, communication and information exchange via a satellite channel and to assess the level of Link-16 noise immunity, which provides the possibility of modeling effective modes of counteraction by Russian electronic warfare.
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    mnztr wrote:and even if Russia wins it makes them look weaker
    You should try yourself in stand-up. At least you are able to make people laugh Wink
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    Post  Backman Sat Apr 08, 2023 7:14 pm

    American M113 taken out and the aftermath. Not sure if it is the same vehicles but it looks like the same open area


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    Post  Backman Sat Apr 08, 2023 7:15 pm

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    Post  nomadski Sat Apr 08, 2023 7:22 pm

    There were three choices : First was liberate only LDPR and reinforce the border areas against attack . Second was to go as far the River . And third was to go to Polish border . Each has advantages and disadvantages . The first choice would be more achievable , quicker and less likely to bring in NATO en-masse directly , but would leave a greater area , viability , for baby Rat production . The second choice takes longer , but more likely to involve NATO , but liberate all Russian majority areas . The last choice  would involve direct involvement and war by NATO , an unproductive mountainous region , difficult to police , full of Orcs with insurgency . I tend to think that the first choice is best ( for now ) and Russia is not far from achieving it , even if it leaves the Nazis in power , able to produce more baby Rats . Once borders of newly liberated areas are consolidated , any border attacks , can have a punitive response . Even if the liberated regions can not be developed , still they serve a buffer zone for Russia . Far better than not having done anything and having Orcs knocking at Russia door or invading towards the oil Rich Caucases region . To cut Russia from PG . Be happy , the job is almost done for now , you can do more later too .
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    Post  mnztr Sat Apr 08, 2023 7:52 pm

    you really think anyone in the western loony group thinks defeating Ukraine is a big deal?" Didn't Medvedev say they could take Kiev in 1 week? So now with 2 more new NATO members and a much expanded NATO border with Russia, what is Russia gonna do about it."  Thiss is the pathology. Winning a difficult and costly victory against Ukraine is a win for the West and it encourages Western adventurism as the West is not really hurt by the defeat of Ukraine. Its just a destroyed buffer state that Russia will have to spend BILLIONS to rebuild with potential rebellions in the West and Kiev.

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    Post  mnztr Sat Apr 08, 2023 8:01 pm

    First was liberate only LDPR and reinforce the border areas against attack wrote:

    problem with this one is it preserves the govt that claims Donbas and Crimea and cannot lead to a sustainable peace. At this point all options have risks, and to me they have to close the polish border really quickly . So if/when Ukraine attacks, draw them in and then attack through Belarus and down. It won't be easy now though a are fortifications and endless minefields now in place. This is why methodical approach to war carries it own risks a it allows you opponent to fortify and provision for such flanking maneuvers. They don't have to go in right at the border, they can go in about 100 km in and still achieve the closure of all major routes.
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sat Apr 08, 2023 8:05 pm



    Lure in some Poles or other NATO space cadets into West Ukraine and then light them up with standard 2MT Deterrent will start working again no problem after that plus it will solve massive number of other problems long before they happen wrote:


    What is your problem with Poles?

    If some ethnic Albanians with Yugoslav or Serbian citizenship would be fighting on behalf of the Ukrainians, I guess I should be talking about "luring the Serbs to get nuked?"





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