Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

franco wrote:And amongst the whites there is diffidently a pecking order in regards to ethnic origin.

Pecking order created by Anglo-Saxons - inherent inferiority complex passed of as racial superiority.

GarryB wrote:The west has been claiming this for 23 years... how long can they be wrong and not realise... well forever if they only pay attention to western news media and sources.

Saw a BBC programme on homeless people... they only mentioned people in Hong Kong and it was only because the cost of land is ridiculous.... but HK is China so it is Chinas problem... no mention of any homeless people in any western country... only happens in China I guess. Lots of sympathy for these people in China but no mention of British or US or French people living rough because of the economy...

Do you know why there are few homeless people in Russia now? At least, compared to the period of the nineties-early noughties. Because social rehabilitation centers are being opened in Russia, where you can get help. And it will not just be a cup of soup - it will be housing, medical and psychological assistance, training. You will be helped to return the documents if you have lost them. They will help you master some simple specialty and help you find a job. Yes., it will probably be a job as a janitor, cleaner or, for example, a garbage sorter. But it will be a source of livelihood. Here is an example of the Moscow Government Center for social Rehabilitation:
https://dszn.ru/press-center/news/2875
https://vk.com/mosoblcsa

Here is an example with a list of 60 centers for helping mothers in a crisis situation:
https://foma.ru/60-priyutov-dlya-zhenshhin-v-krizisnyh-situatsiyah-html.html

The Russian Orthodox Church also establishes many social assistance centers at churches and monasteries:
https://blago-mosmit.ru/pages/marshrut-pomoschi.html

In modern Russia, being homeless, unemployed, hungry is often one's own conscious choice, and not just terrible circumstances.

However, this is a deviation from the topic of the post, so I think it's worth moving this discussion to a more appropriate section of the forum.

ALAMO wrote:Look no further.
Have you heard about a thing called B-1 Centauro? And of a land called Italy?

Oh yeah, forgot that one.
Maybe due to its mass scale of production Laughing

Actually, there are more of them IN SERVICE than Challenger 2 even produced.

That is truly true
But not sure if that speaks in favor, my friend

And still, how much ammunition for them is available, considering that Germany whining about not having stocks left after some 1000 Leopard One pieces?

Pecking order created by Anglo-Saxons - inherent inferiority complex passed of as racial superiority.

It was Nazi Germany which popularized it of course, some white nations are superior, some are untermenshen. While the Latin peoples in the south are a mix of things. The Anglo-Saxons (really just the British, the Americans never cared) didn't go to quite that extreme.

Great Britain fanned disdain towards the Slavic peoples back in the 19th century because of their competition with Russia. Dracula was written with that in mind, even though Romanians are not even Slavic, but to the British elites it was all the same thing.. still is in popular consciousness.

Karl Marx in Germany was very dismissive of Russia. But not sure if his objection was on racial grounds, or just because Russia was undeveloped relative to Europe and rather more autocratic.

Dont get angry homies.Italians legit have some of the best defense industries on the planet. Particularly related to maritime side of things at least from what I have delved a little into. Thry are pivotal to European MIC.

Russians and Italians got some awesome kit. Still during the cold war we Americans were tops

Dont get angry homies.Italians legit have some of the best defense industries on the planet. Particularly related to maritime side of things at least from what I have delved a little into. Thry are pivotal to European MIC.

Russians and Italians got some awesome kit. Still during the cold war we Americans were tops Cool

But nobody does.
Italian achievements are undisputable.
They are among the few countries on the planet capable of constructing their own breed aircraft carriers.
Only the numbers matters.

It was Nazi Germany which popularized it of course, some white nations are superior, some are untermenshen.

I will just remind you, that we are talking about carrying the eugenics-driven projects well into the 60s in ... Sweden.
Yes, that Sweden.
Not to mention that Mr. Ikea was a nazi, lived a nazi and died a nazi.

flamming_python wrote:It was Nazi Germany which popularized it of course, some white nations are superior, some are untermenshen. While the Latin peoples in the south are a mix of things. The Anglo-Saxons (really just the British, the Americans never cared) didn't go to quite that extreme

Not quite sure if the Brits and Americans didn't quite care about Übermensch. Because the House of Windsor was one of the biggest backers of Nazism.

Jim Crow laws in the US and laws imposed by Britain in their Asian & African colonies were directly derived from Nazi principals of Übermensch.

Pecking order created by Anglo-Saxons - inherent inferiority complex passed of as racial superiority.

until after the first Millenium after Christ, people from northern Europe were seen as barbaric and uncultured in comparison to the people living around the Mediterranean sea... The problem is that by the third century the people from Italy and Greece became too weak and lazy, and believed that it was ok to have wars and defence managed by someone else.

Russian lost 2 Tor 2DT in last 2 days in Herson reagon...8-9km from right bank of river Dnepr...probably they lost their crew also..This Tors was in open ground spoted buy drones and they didnt see that small drones who was observe them and guide a excalibur round on them...

I saw a video here linked which showed one Tor being taken out. But it was the arctic version and it looked like only the locomotive section up front was destroyed, not the launcher section at the back.

Wonder what the deal with these drones is. Maybe some new stealthy ones NATO developed.

These problems ultimately occur though because the front there is static. Thus the enemy can just test weapon systems out at their leisure. Russia needs to sweep the area with drones of its own.

Russian Defense Ministry: as a result of a complex negotiation process, 63 Russian servicemen were returned from Ukraine

As a result of a complex negotiation process, 63 Russian servicemen who were captured were returned from the territory of Ukraine, controlled by the Kyiv regime. This was reported in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

Among the released servicemen there are persons of a “sensitive category”. Their exchange became possible thanks to the mediation of the leadership of the United Arab Emirates.

All returned servicemen are already in Russia. They receive the necessary psychological and medical assistance. The soldiers were also given the opportunity to contact their relatives.

In January of this year, 50 Russian servicemen were returned from the territory controlled by the Kiev regime . They were delivered to the Chkalovsky airfield on an Il-76 aircraft. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation stressed that they were in mortal danger in captivity.

https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/2023241042-4GCtN.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui

Additional PzH 2000 armor.

https://vk.com/video-123538639_456295502

T-84

The T-84 looks pretty mean I will admit. Like a T-80U crossed with a T-90A.

All 10 of them

Italian achievements are undisputable.
They are among the few countries on the planet capable of constructing their own breed aircraft carriers.
Only the numbers matters.

We have still a good defence industry, the main problem is the mentality of the larger part of the population, the defeatist approach (like it is better that we are dependent from France and we don't have nuclear powerplants anymore, because can we imagine the risks if we managed such a powerplant?) and the total incapacity of defending our interests. Basically, after 1943, everyone who loves his country and wants to defend it from the damage from foreign states (that in most cases are our "close friends and allies" like UK, US and France), is accused of being a right extremist and a fascist (or now also a Putin lover).

Furthermore many industries related to the defence production are now partially or fully in foreign ownership, even if final assembly is still in Italy.

Anyway, the other problem is that in most cases they have a global supply chain, so it would be very easy to disrupt it.

Finally, as I have said many times, we still have a decent green water navy with probably the best multirole frigates in the western world. The problem is that they are never used to defend our own interest and sometimes were even used to transport illegal invaders (so called migrants) in our country

"Ingrata patria, ne ossa quidem mea habes"

With T-84 Ukrainians really learned the lesson. It used to be a splendid tank when they were building it.
Not sure if you are aware of one very nice feature it had - the commander has his own range meter.
It is really sad how much potential and good living chances have just been stolen from those poor people...

With T-84 Ukrainians really learned the lesson. It used to be a splendid tank when they were building it.
Not sure if you are aware of one very nice feature it had - the commander has his own range meter.
It is really sad how much potential and good living chances have just been stolen from those poor people...

By the way, is the tank factory in Kharkov salvageable?

I do not mean for tanks, as with Uralvagonzavod and Omsk Russia has no needs for another production site, but for trains, diesel engines, maybe cars, etc

Yeah Tu-84 was a good tank and probably better the first version of the T-90, but now the T-90M is superior to it.
Furthermore the t-84 was never produced in significant number.

A constant embarrassment of Ukrainian MIC was the low quality of production proved with multiple contracts.
Not the concept itself ...
Starting with T-80UD for Pakistan, they did deliver from the Soviet heritage parts, yet the problems started after ...

I hope there is not a massive offensive like some are saying

There will be casualties if they just advance , and if they go around urban centers it would be like Feb 24

Taking land that cannot be held because of lack of fortifications, and no urban natural defensive positions

If the VKS is not going to flatten the cities ahead of the advance, I would postpone any offensive because it's just gonna get guys killed for a government that has no clue what it's aims are in Ukraine

Sending army groups on some mission to cutoff Slavyansk would be great, but at what cost to the lives of servicemen?

If an offensive is really coming, they need to hit the defenses hard by air before the ground attack - otherwise just stay put -