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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #36

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    Post  Begome Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:55 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Because of course Serbia itself is a real Danube nation, and can always use its own ships to sail and deliver or bring back whatever goods from the Odessa region. No questions asked. If the Romanians try to block them, then they can just block Romania's own access via the Danube through their own territory to Europe.
    But not right now, since Ukraine won't allow collusion between Russia and Serbia for obvious reasons and getting into the Black Sea requires crossing the territorial waters of either Romania or Ukraine for Serbian merchant vessels...in those waters (12 nm zone) any e.g. weapons shipments can be lawfully intercepted.

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    Post  Scorpius Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:55 pm

    famschopman wrote:So once in the air, the shell uses fins (I assume the last section of that shell contains collapsed fins) and Glonass to guide itself to the target? How do you program the target coordinates?
    The video reports that guidance is performed on the final section of the trajectory using a laser beam, and that the drone operator is responsible for this. They also say that the calculation releases about 10 such shells per day, so there have been no misses yet. Further, a fighter with the call sign "Lom" reports that they recently destroyed two armored vehicles "Cossack" and caught a truck with ammunition during unloading. The truck and all the enemy's manpower were destroyed. For this, the artillery crew has been presented with a reward, but has not yet had time to celebrate this event, since the offensive is underway and they have a lot of work to do.

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:00 pm

    Ukraine doesn't control Danube delta. It only has access to northern most branch. Most of the cargo traffic, in any case, goes through Danube-Black Sea canal, between Cherna Voda and Constanta, which is a major Black Sea modal port and biggest port in Romania. Even if Russia would take control of Odessa oblast, it can't close delta for traffic since Sulina branch is completely in Romanian territory. Not that they would even think of doing that.
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    Post  11E Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:02 pm

    IIRC Krasnopol is laser-guided and not GLONAS (it can be relatively eas be jammed, something Russia is well aware off).

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:23 pm

    caveat wrote:Ukraine doesn't control Danube delta. It only has access to northern most branch. Most of the cargo traffic, in any case, goes through Danube-Black Sea canal, between Cherna Voda and Constanta, which is a major Black Sea modal port and biggest port in Romania. Even if Russia would take control of Odessa oblast, it can't close delta for traffic since Sulina branch is completely in Romanian territory. Not that they would even think of doing that.

    Once Odessa is in Russian control, any russian ship can enter the Danube without having to ask permission to Rumenia. izmail (former Genovese colony) is on the Danube and pretty big ships can arrive there.

    I did not mean about blocking rumenian ships from entereing the black sea. I meant that Russia could harass rumenian ships in the black sea if they try to do the same I'm the Danube.

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:36 pm

    Let's not count chickens before they are hatched.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:38 pm

    As FP said, we carry an academic discussion here.
    The point is, that once Russkie will take Imzail with the Danube delta, all the cargo traffic can be carried.
    Serbia won't be landlocked anymore, and a whole different economic situation starts to exist.
    And that is not only Serbia and Hungary, but Austria as well.
    Austra has a decades-long history of good relations with Russia that were put on hold mostly due to pressure and lack of safe potential.
    We don't consider here a potential to block Romanian export, just the fact that Romanians in existing circumstances can't do much to hurt the potential of shipping goods directly to Russian-friendly countries. And we talk not only Russian. Who will dispute a container vessel under Austrian flag full of freshly delivered from China goodies sailing up to Vienna?
    This would be a huge window of opportunity and a really good leverage. A giant part of "arguments" and bulling potential will be gone.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:51 pm

    if they take Izmail and again a lot of what is being said is pure speculation
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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:20 pm

    @Alamo
    Landlocked in respect to what? Serbia doesn't do much trade with Russia, to begin with.
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    Post  Begome Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:36 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:Landlocked in respect to what? Serbia doesn't do much trade with Russia, to begin with.
    According to this document the Danube can be navigated all the way to Bavaria by freighters with 135 m length, 17 m width and 3500 t capacity...a Su-57 btw. has about 20 m length and 14 m width and most, if not all the other weaponry of the Russian Armed Forces (excluding Navy and Strategic Missile Forces) would fit on such freighters.

    I'm not saying that shipping Su-57s to Serbia would be likely, but alone the possibility of that and much increased, unimpeded civilian trade means that cooperation between Serbia and Russia could go to a whole 'nother level and give Serbia and Hungary (and also Slovakia and Austria if they wish) the necessary bargaining chips to take a more sovereign, neutral position when faced with Western pressure. The only thing that the West could do is to try and pressure Romania into violating the Danube Convention...but if Romania does then Russia can use that as justification for violation of, e.g. Romanian freedom of navigation in the Black Sea, thus effectively land-locking them via a blockade, or even stop respecting Romanian sovereignty in terms of airspace; should Romania start shooting down Russian transport aircraft in such a case then Romania will be wrecked...after all, in Ukraine NATO is already being partially demilitarized.

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:02 pm

    That's taking assumptions little too far. While unimpeded trade via Danube will be good, serious weapon shipments to Serbia on the same route are highely unlikely.
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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:02 pm

    Mass resignations in UA tonight. Curious.

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    Post  limb Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:13 pm

    Before you fill up the pages with wet dreams like Russian control policy of the danube estuary and how Romania will cower, how about russia takes Ugledar first, finishes taking maryinka, or destroys an Olkha or Vilkha with visual proof. Baby steps.
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    Post  Begome Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:20 pm

    limb wrote:Before you fill up the pages with wet dreams like Russian control policy of the danube estuary and how Romania will cower, how about russia takes Ugledar first, finishes taking maryinka, or destroys an Olkha or Vilkha with visual proof. Baby steps.
    Between me, an Orthodox Christian, and you, an emo-Marxist, who is more likely to have sexual continence issues? Laughing

    The SMO is proceeding as planned, especially after the reconfiguration; >60% of the original equipment of AFU is trashed and the rest will be trashed by the end of this year. Then Russia takes whatever it wants.

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    Post  Hole Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:25 pm

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    Don´t feed the Leopards with Zelenskyis empty talk.
    They could throw up.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:30 pm

    attack RF VDV collumn repels attempted Ukrainian ambush near Kremennaya attack


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    Post  mnztr Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:38 pm

    The SMO is proceeding as planned, especially after the reconfiguration; >60% of the original equipment of AFU is trashed and the rest will be trashed by the end of this year. Then Russia takes whatever it wants. wrote:


    Can we counter arrogance with something else then arrogance. no Russia can only take what it wants to a degree. If the threat of Russia became real, the entire west would actually mobilize and destroy Russia. Don't confuse the silly, lazy entitled and fat West with what is capable off if actually threatened. The historical crimes of the West should tell you that at the heart of it, its full of incredibly greedy and ruthless people. If REALLY threatened, there is no limit to how far they will go.

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    Post  thegopnik Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:53 pm

    nice joke.

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    Post  ludovicense Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:54 pm

    In the link below we have the T 90M firing against Ukrainian positions. The aiming system is electronic and attacks the target at long distance. Maybe that's why there are so few of these lost.

    https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1617625314817085440
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    Post  littlerabbit Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:57 pm


    This is so funny, but...could it be a pretext for a real nato/Russia clash in Baltics? What a Face


    https://mobile.twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1617540477204713473

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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:17 pm

    Transport collums spotted in Romania with French armor.
    That last car is indeed an romanian police car.
    And no...music is not mine came with the video.

    Kiev is hastily building fortifications around the city.
    EU says the next few weeks will decide the outcome.
    Zelensky is firing left and right and cancelled all freedom of movement for staff.

    Wait NATO, i tought Russians keep running out of missiles, munitions and suffers widespread mutiny?.
    Why the panic?  Laughing

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:23 pm

    To answer your question airbornwolfRussian special military operation in Ukraine #36 - Page 39 20221013

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:58 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Mass resignations in UA tonight. Curious.

    Well, seems to be an outright purge going on. Bunch of governors, various government deputies, and Zelensky says "more to come".

    New instructions from Washington?

    Been a while since Biden made a couple of phonecalls with threats and got Shokin fired.

    Also, not a conspiracy theorist, but that the entire leadership of the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs was killed off in one fell swoop less than a week ago is ...I just can't pretend it's not suspicious.

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    Post  PhSt Tue Jan 24, 2023 12:24 am

    If the threat of Russia became real, the entire west would actually mobilize and destroy Russia

    Would've done this from day 1 if they really can

    in contrast, they can't even secure a firm control in Afghanistan vs the Taliban Laughing

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    Post  billybatts91 Tue Jan 24, 2023 12:44 am

    Who is this dumbass mnztr? I'm gonna block him so as to avoid his moronic posts.

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