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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:48 am

    The depots are not empty. There might be some high tech anti-tank weapons that needs to be replaced in the short term. But the real hardware stored in the west has almost been untouched so far. Not a single cruise missile, tank, fighter, bomber, patriot missile ecs ecs has so far been used.

    If the US and whole western Europe would take on Russia, I doubt the Ruskies would last a week. However in a nuclear world this will never happen, and both sides knows it.

    You're mostly a bunch of feminised pussies, the current generation that's elegible for service I mean - so certainly I can't imagine any conscription in NATO countries, and neither is Russia scared of Western wunderwaffen or it's 'warriors'. We all saw how that much hyped 'Foreign Operations Group' was crying when the base in Yaroriv was hit by cruise missiles at the begging of the war.
    This is exactly why you're relying on Ukrainians.

    There are tough professional soldiers from NATO countries of course, but they're a finite resource, and if you don't win within a week, then a mobilization battle would be exactly what you will end up with. Those fighters, tanks and other things - what are you going to do when they run out? Are you going to war mobilize the economy? And how will you get your populations to agree to that and mobilization; for the purpose of defeating a Russia that's nowhere near these Western countries?

    The smugness and belief in the superiority of your culture and technology will very quickly evaporate once that same overengineered crap you are so confident in the capabilities of starts to be melted down, turned to scrap or countered and exposed as not effective as advertised. This is what has happened to the Stinger, the NLAW, the Javelin, the Starstreak, those Ghost drones or whatever they're called... Only a limited amount of weapons have been found to be efficient.

    And this is exactly why those 'real hardware' have not been supplied yet. By which you mean expensive Western vehicles. Because the high-tech stuff has been getting supplied so far. While NATO vehicles are not necessarily more high tech then Ukrainian modernized Soviet ones. They just come with the baggage of an aura of invincibility to protect.

    But don't start talking about the US and Europe taking on Russia directly - you don't have the balls. Nor your politicians, nor your armies.


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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:53 am

    These western uber weapons are supposed to be used in a HATO environment... ie the enemy is a third world country with no air force and no artillery... lets see how effective they are with their amazing reverse speeds and high maintenance.

    An interesting question is what they will do when they come to the first decent river... I guess you guys remembered to supply bridging equipment and pontoons that can support 70 ton tanks. I am sure the required levels of support needed to keep them working will decrease in a combat situation rather than increase and there will be plenty of old hands knowing exactly how to keep them running without the product certified tools and space age chemical solvents needed to keep these things going.

    Russia could probably just start practising in Russia trying to track down heated air conditioned tents as targets...

    Sad that I am looking forward to the west escalating what they are sending... it will be useful for Russia to learn to deal with such things the way the US is acting... how long before a real conflict starts between east and west.

    There are tough professional soldiers from NATO countries of course, but theyre a finite resource, and if you don't win within a week, then a mobilization battle would be exactly what you will end up with.

    We know that... we have one that visits this forum, but it sounds like the HATO heirarchy are not interested in real soldiers and just want alphabet warriors who don't know anything about the enemy and just follow the HATO line.

    No wonder 20 years in Afghanistan was a totally wasted 20 years and trillions of dollars... they learned nothing that could be useful to them except they can even lose to an enemy that does not have opposition (Russian/Soviet) support.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:57 am

    Silly to say there is a huge difference between war and peacetime, go on try us make NATO go full scale production and the west will start shitting out stuff at shocking rates, that's what you guys won't ever understand and will never understand. Once you give us a reason to that is and no Ukraine isn't a reason.

    Honestly, I know many higher ups are surprised Ukraine has lasted this long (due to russias weak opening of the war) No government wants to push their peacetime economy into a wartime one unless they really have to

    NATO can easily outproduce russia during wartime, and we have far more manpower.

    Russia would never win a conventional war against NATO that is true to say

    NATO is a fiction
    You're delusional if you think some Spain, France, Italy, Germany, Greece, Romania, etc.. will start mobilizing their industries and populations for the goal of invading Russia. Those countries will simply exit the alliance or if they try to go along with the plan - face massive popular strikes and uprisings. People there will not see the funny side of such decisions.

    If you want to invade Russia - it will be the US, Britain, Poland, Baltic States and Canada. Pretty much just those. Which still outmatch Russia I should say. But with the obesity crisis in the US I'm not sure how much higher the eligible manpower pool really is Razz

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    Post  thegopnik Fri Jan 20, 2023 8:04 am





    Alright so Scholz is getting bitched out by Zelensky since he only wants to send Leopards if America sends Abrams 1st. U.S. states oh no we have maintenance issues, now they are asking the latin american countries for soviet tanks for the Ukraine war so they replace them with their western tanks for free clown clown clown clown clown

    Holy **** dude Russias going to destroy everyone's tanks they will probably go beg india and China next.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 20, 2023 8:11 am

    In an alternative universe where those 9 central and south american countries agreed to transfer what they had, the abrams tanks as replacements would come with crews and aircraft and an invading US force no doubt...

    Poland has those PT-91 Soviet copy tanks that the Ukraine does not seem to want any more... perhaps all the ammo stores and spare parts they had are gone along with their facilities to repair and upgrade and build new stuff, so asking for brand new western stuff makes sense because they wont have ammo for Soviet stuff any more... nor probably the personnel to fix it... likely ground beef on the front lines...

    Clearly they are going to have to start hitting all rail traffic heading to the east from now on because they will likely be hiding vehicles and equipment in all sorts of ways...

    Going to be a problem for the civilians that rely on food and other essentials... but war is hell.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jan 20, 2023 8:21 am

    Fights among the walls and the capture of Soledar

    Too little infantry
    VDV, marines, OMON, etc no substitute for 'infantry' during Chechnya war (a very infantry heavy war BTW)
    Great Ukrainian successes at Kharkov and Kherson
    Minimum precision weapons among Russian air force

    Dunno sounds like the latest load of bullcrap
    Maybe I can believe the lack of infantry stuff, a bit

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Jan 20, 2023 8:39 am

    🇺🇲🇺🇦 The US does not yet see the point in providing Ukraine with Abrams tanks due to difficulties with their maintenance - Pentagon Deputy Press Secretary Sabrina Singh

    It's not so much the maintenance as it is the fact that you can't fly them out on C17s efficiently

    It wasn't until Bagram that NATO realized , or more specifically the US, that sending so much equipment to a proxy state they couldn't hold onto didn't make sense

    They learned the lesson in Afghanistan,

    It's better not to send such equipment, because eventually :

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    The thing is the whole 26 nation alliance thing doesn't strike a chord with Russia,,,

    If it didn't for Assad or Haftar - it sure as hell won't for Putin

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    Post  Regular Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:07 am

    “ If you want to invade Russia - it will be the US, Britain, Poland, Baltic States and Canada. Pretty much just those. Which still outmatch Russia I should say. But with the obesity crisis in the US I'm not sure how much higher the eligible manpower pool really is Razz”

    Baltic states? With what population? One artillery strike will cause demographic catastrophe. Poland - not so sure, they are mobilising, but their society has no balls for it. Remember the poor farmers? It was NAFO idiots who where laughing at article 5, but Poles were shaking from fear. All bravado was gone from their politicians as well.

    My favourite politician of this century, Arestovych badmouths my other favourite - Zelensky
    https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1616229087630209024?s=20&t=6lUoJO3B4waio7TRT8V7Jg

    FORMER ZELENSKY ADVISOR: “Zelensky is a weak human. His two weaknesses, shallow self love & fear”

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    Post  mnztr Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:37 am

    Any word on casualty estimates? As much as I hope they are low, there had to be a butchers bill for Soledar, it was far to intense to be low blood.
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    Post  billybatts91 Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:29 am

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    Post  famschopman Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:59 am

    Law and actual mobilization are two different things.

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    Post  Scorpius Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:05 am

    billybatts91 wrote:The State Duma is preparing to change the law on mobilization

    “Fathers of disabled children and those who are the only children of single parents-pensioners will be exempted from mobilisation”

    I thought mobilisation was over 🤔

    Just stop dragging the fictional bullshit of Western propaganda morons here. The State Duma is considering a draft law on amendments to Federal Law No. 31 "On Mobilization Training and Mobilization in the Russian Federation", the first version of which was adopted in 1997.
    It is obvious that partial mobilization was based on the norms of this law, and as a result there were many excesses that had to be corrected manually when taking fathers from large families or those who were the sole guardian of elderly parents. This caused a huge public outcry, and now holes are being patched in the laws so that this does not happen again.

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    Post  Arrow Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:14 pm

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:21 pm

    Despite the fact he is Jewish, comparisons between Zelensky and Hitler are actually very apt if you think about it.

    The theory of Hitler having Jewish roots is not new. Hans Frank stated that during the Nurnberg trials, he was ordered by Hitler himself to go to Austria and wipe out the archives.
    Actually, a scandal was raging last year when Lavrov made this kind of statement.

    Edit :
    Ukrowehrmacht sources reports battle ongoing for Ivanovskoye.
    48.569595254162024, 37.919224878920936
    When finished, it will leave only one road to Artemovsk open, but under direct fire coverage by Russkie forces.
    Artemovsk seemes a done thing, just needs time to realize.


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    Post  Hole Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:28 pm

    The depots are not empty. 
    Sure. That´s why the Americans are bringing in 155mm ammo from warehouses in Israel and South-Korea.

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    Post  nomadski Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:31 pm



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M8kJ0_sFSBI


    Infantry . Someone mentioned infantry . Any war ultimately is won by infantry . They have to advance , take enemy positions in close quarter fighting . They must be skilled and motivated , ready to take chances with their lives . Others take chances with their lives , for far less ! There is so much that PMC or others can do . Russians must want to liberate Russia . Others take chances with their lives , for far less !

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:42 pm

    Sure. That´s why the Americans are bringing in 155mm ammo from warehouses in Israel and South-Korea.

    And 105 mm howitzers.
    And 122 mm ammo from Pakistan.
    And Iranian made ammo they confiscated en route to Yemen.
    And Bulgarian stocks so old, that the boxes are still filled with mud coming from 2007 flood.
    Don't you smell the inevitable peremoga in the air? Or is it Spring already?
    Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Hole Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:08 pm

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    Boiler time. Russian forces are reportedly in the outskirts of Chasiv Yar.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:19 pm

    I suppose it is getting started ...

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/75899

    Interview with commander of 2nd Brigade of National Guard.
    140 000 KIA at this moment.
    Kievan regime is lowering the KIA number by purpose and does not retrieve the bodies in order not to cause panic and rage in society.

    Open disobedience toward Zaluzhny and naming him a thug&thief. This is de facto a call for coup.

    My comment, the number in reality is much, much higher and I would put it closer to 200 000. The sole number of MIA hit 40 000, and most of those are dead.

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    Post  Hole Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:25 pm

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    Cheburashka is coming!  lol1

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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:45 pm

    Regarding the dead Ukroshitstans Douglas Macgregor states the number of 122,000 dead Ukroshitstans and over 30,000 Ukroshitstans missing in action.
    That's already over 150,000 Ukroshitstans in eternal hunting grounds..

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:45 pm

    There is Genia Crocodile in background, too Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing lol!

    Regarding the dead Ukroshitstans Douglas Macgregor states the number of 122,000 dead Ukroshitstans and over 30,000 Ukroshitstans missing in action.
    That's already over 150,000 Ukroshitstans in eternal hunting grounds..


    The official number of MIA was at 32+k back in August.
    Those women don't protest for nothing all over 404.

    Edit : and while everyone is looking at Artemovsk, Lobkove was quietly taken, with the big section of Ukrowehrmacht defensive positions smashed along en route to Zaporozhe...
    47.516906200001195, 35.44317640481205

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    Post  littlerabbit Fri Jan 20, 2023 3:11 pm


    More good news... Very Happy

    https://mobile.twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1616414942822907904

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jan 20, 2023 3:13 pm

    Not sure how to interpret "three digit"?
    It means the number of zeros so we talk 1000+?
    We do know that for a while, but it is nice that the west will start to notice...

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