Russian special military operation in Ukraine #31

Isos wrote:

Arrow wrote:I wonder if there is any truth to this?

https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1589696245903560705?s=20&t=JdKliQbsTEj-907_9j4Epw

US secret talks seems real but only a part of the administration is for it. That's only some propositions to Ukrainians with no coordination with russian side.

Russia will never accept it. Minimum is to take all Donbas. Below that Putin is dead. They won't forgive him for the losses if he takes only that low territory. They barely moved into ukraine if you compare the borders from before the war.

Put has already signed deals for Russia to take back Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporozhye and Kherson. Why would he backtrack on that now and why mobilize 300,000+ just to sign a capitulation lol. This is fake news. I doubt the "talks" are that serious. Probably just both sides buying time before the massive winter counter-offensive by Russia I would imagine.

Arrow wrote:I wonder if there is any truth to this?

https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1589696245903560705?s=20&t=JdKliQbsTEj-907_9j4Epw

That's just a ridiculous joke floated into the media for Western NPC's to consume. There's nothing in it about any real issues like nato acession.

Why pro Russian Twitter accts even address this garbage i don't know

Nothing new from eastern front xp

Big_Gazza wrote:

mnztr wrote:

Airbornewolf wrote:According to various sources, an RF tank ambushes an Ukrainian tank that was rushing forwards to push into the attack.
RF Special forces spotted it and alerted the RF armor it was approaching.

Horrific to see some poor bastard run from the wreckage on fire and in agony until he passes out and burns up. The inhumanity of war is limitless.

Some "poor bastard" who would likely have been more that happy to do the same to Russian troops.

Just where do you think that Ukropi tank was rushing to?  Going home for a lunch break?

I am not suggesting any other course of action. They had to be killed. But the manner of death is horrific. The guys inside that were vapourized were the lucky ones.

Arrow wrote:I wonder if there is any truth to this?

https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1589696245903560705?s=20&t=JdKliQbsTEj-907_9j4Epw

Russia should reclaim Alaska and give the "wah wah wah wah" gang ie Navaho injuns nukes.
And support Louis Farakan's lot in a separate "Nation of Islam" over there. Then demand LA is handed back to Mexico.

Nonsense talk. Kherson is now Russia for goodness sake and why would Russia even consider the prospect of a new AD system, I would assume Russia is going to ensure the very opposite.

All that nonsense aside....how good is this, the self loading is awesome as is the folding in after use. My favourite clip of this conflict thus far. It's the tidieness of it.
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/12212

Air raid warnings

Kiev AD, dreaming of Geraniums 

Iskanders are flying from Belgorod towards Kharkov.

Arrow wrote:Yes tt may be  probably a fake, but in the US there is more and more talk about negotiations with Russia. It is evident that they will not get much more from Ukraine.

The US does not ask Urkaine, it tells. So he is there to issue orders to the puppet.

Backman wrote:

That's just a ridiculous joke floated into the media for Western NPC's to consume. There's  nothing in it about any real issues like nato acession.

Why pro Russian Twitter accts even address this garbage i don't know

The cake is in the oven. Russia really needs to sit an wait until its baked. Just improve the interdiction. and let Ukraine collapse. They need to hit railroads steadily with Geraniums for several weeks. Just keep hitting them so they cannot be repaired and let nature take its course.

As the the Washington Post right on schedule writes: the alleged Biden push towards negotiations is a sham.

The Biden administration is privately encouraging Ukraine’s leaders to signal an openness to negotiate with Russia and drop their public refusal to engage in peace talks unless President Vladimir Putin is removed from power, according to people familiar with the discussions.

The request by American officials is not aimed at pushing Ukraine to the negotiating table, these people said. Rather, they called it a calculated attempt to ensure the government in Kyiv maintains the support of other nations facing constituencies wary of fueling a war for many years to come.
...
While U.S. officials share their Ukrainian counterparts’ assessment that Putin, for now, isn’t serious about negotiations, they acknowledge that President Volodymyr Zelensky’s ban on talks with him has generated concern in parts of Europe, Africa and Latin America, where the war’s disruptive effects on the availability and cost of food and fuel are felt most sharply.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/05/ukraine-russia-peace-negotiations/

Arrow wrote:

The US State Department has made several statements:
..
"There will be no decisive military victory in Ukraine, the conflict must end through dialogue"

Thanks for the advice, murkan trash sock-puppets, but... NO.

We'd prefer to simply eradicate your vile genocidal little Kiev putsch regime and its trained monkey President, liberate all salvagable Ukrainians  relabel them as Russians, drive out all HATOstani influence, prosecute and hold accountable the nazis and their supporters, sieze all US/EU assets without compensation, (mostly stolen and misappropriated by the puppet regime since 2014), incorporate the traditional Russian areas back into the Motherland, and then leave the Banderite heartland a blasted and desolate bleakscape of despair and ruin, a place only fit for anthropological studies and paid safaris for rich people who want to hunt nazis from elephant-back.

Actually, one correction.  We'll have a coupon day so that the average citizens can afford to hunt Nazis as well.

There will NO negotiations, other than what is strictly required for the necessary optics.  I don't remember the murkans negotiating with Iraq as they drove to Baghdad in 2003? Or with Libya in 2010? Or Syria in 2015? Goose.  Gander.

JohninMK wrote: As the the Washington Post right on schedule writes: the alleged Biden push towards negotiations is a sham.

   The Biden administration is privately encouraging Ukraine’s leaders to signal an openness to negotiate with Russia and drop their public refusal to engage in peace talks unless President Vladimir Putin is removed from power, according to people familiar with the discussions.

   The request by American officials is not aimed at pushing Ukraine to the negotiating table, these people said. Rather, they called it a calculated attempt to ensure the government in Kyiv maintains the support of other nations facing constituencies wary of fueling a war for many years to come.
   ...
   While U.S. officials share their Ukrainian counterparts’ assessment that Putin, for now, isn’t serious about negotiations, they acknowledge that President Volodymyr Zelensky’s ban on talks with him has generated concern in parts of Europe, Africa and Latin America, where the war’s disruptive effects on the availability and cost of food and fuel are felt most sharply.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/05/ukraine-russia-peace-negotiations/

Murkans keep playing stupid games. They still think they have some kind of say in how this ends???

JohninMK wrote: As the the Washington Post right on schedule writes: the alleged Biden push towards negotiations is a sham.

   The Biden administration is privately encouraging Ukraine’s leaders to signal an openness to negotiate with Russia and drop their public refusal to engage in peace talks unless President Vladimir Putin is removed from power, according to people familiar with the discussions.

   The request by American officials is not aimed at pushing Ukraine to the negotiating table, these people said. Rather, they called it a calculated attempt to ensure the government in Kyiv maintains the support of other nations facing constituencies wary of fueling a war for many years to come.
   ...
   While U.S. officials share their Ukrainian counterparts’ assessment that Putin, for now, isn’t serious about negotiations, they acknowledge that President Volodymyr Zelensky’s ban on talks with him has generated concern in parts of Europe, Africa and Latin America, where the war’s disruptive effects on the availability and cost of food and fuel are felt most sharply.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/05/ukraine-russia-peace-negotiations/

No doubting the shift in goodwill is defo shifting across the EU. A mate of mine in Germany reckons it’s turning particularly sour and occupies a far bit of discussion on a Saturday night. In Ireland poor government decisions on housing of Ukrainians is adding real angst. Tides are turning and it’s not even winter yet….what are you feeling in the UK or is the country still adjusting to the political chaos (which seems to be less volatile with the Sunak appointment)?

Backman wrote:
I thought the MOD was gonna come down on Rybar et al but it turned out to be just rumor. We are in an info war of survival and instead of fighting on Russia's side, they nag about everything. They provide more fodder to Ukraine propagandists than they help on their side.

I don't question their allegiance. They are just trying to be objective in a post truth world.  

**** all of them and their objectivity. All thry do is ruin morale on the home front and help raise the credibility of Western propagandists.

If they want to be objective then they can double check reports first and act responsibly instead of wailing and then reposting Ukrainian propaganda materials conveniently provided for them.

Shame it's a rumour, I'm all for throwing the book at these panic-mongers. Long past overdue

From MoA

For any attempt at an offensive, you must check the weather first to see when below 0c temps occur for days-on-end. The forecast for Kiev I just accessed shows none until the end of November and then just to 0c not -0c. For Kherson, it's even warmer with no 0c days at all during the extended forecast to 6 December, and that means no freeze-up of fields or icing of rivers. Not much rain forecast either with this week being rather balmy and good flying weather.

If NATO offensive ops await frozen fields, there're going to need to wait for at least another month allowing Russia to continue to attrit the forces charged with attacking. Of course, Russia faces the same weather dilemma regarding offensive ops, but its aerospace forces can continue to destroy NATO assets and further the demilitarization/denazification goals. Indeed, it's entirely possible the conditions for offensive ops won't arrive until January.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 7 2022 16:49 utc | 17

Interesting and disturbing move in Germany, from a MoA poster. My highlight

The crucial arena in EU politics is Germany. If you want to know what is happening there read WOLFGANG STREECK in sidecar
https://newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/getting-closer.

It's a 'must read.'

Among other things, including a summary of German reaction to the Nordstream sabotage, he tells us that

"..In an accelerated procedure lasting only two days, the Bundestag, using language supplied by the Ministry of Justice held by the supposedly liberal FDP, amended Section 130 of the Criminal Code, which makes it a crime to ‘approve, deny or diminish (verharmlosen)’ the Holocaust. On 20 October, an hour before midnight, a new paragraph was passed, hidden in an omnibus bill dealing with the technicalities of creating central registers, which adds ‘war crimes’ (Kriegsverbrechen) to what must not be approved, denied or diminished. The coalition and the CDU/CSU voted for the amendment, Die Linke and AfD against.

There was no public debate. According to the government, the amendment was needed for the transposition into German law of a European Union directive to fight racism. With two minor exceptions, the press failed to report on what is nothing other than a legal coup d’état...."

So it is now illegal in Germany to approve of, deny or diminish not just the 'Holocaust' but alleged Russian "war crimes."

Posted by: bevin | Nov 7 2022 21:27 utc | 78

JohninMK wrote:Interesting and disturbing move in Germany, from a MoA poster.

It is this sort of corrupt ideological fanatacism that lays the foundation for national collapse due to systemic failure.

Germans just keep piling more straws onto their camels back

But but sanctions
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/12222

Arrow wrote:I wonder if there is any truth to this?

https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1589696245903560705?s=20&t=JdKliQbsTEj-907_9j4Epw

Nonsense.
Any talk of agreements on the USA/Ukraine side will only ever be a ploy to delay Russian advancement. They should never be trusted until certain areas are liberated.

Russia at the minimum will fully liberate Donbass, Kherson, zapo, Niko, Odessa, and most likely Kharkov. This as a minimum they won't let this opportunity pass, and have the link up to Transnistria and Gagauzia. Dnipro is also very likely to liberated as well. After these are taken then maybe an agreement might be had, but it would of course be better if they liberated further territories all the way to Kiev.

d_taddei2 wrote:

Arrow wrote:I wonder if there is any truth to this?

https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1589696245903560705?s=20&t=JdKliQbsTEj-907_9j4Epw

Nonsense.
Any talk of agreements on the USA/Ukraine side will only ever be a ploy to delay Russian advancement.  They should never be trusted until certain areas are liberated.

Russia at the minimum will fully liberate Donbass, Kherson, zapo, Niko, Odessa, and most likely Kharkov. This as a minimum they won't let this opportunity pass, and have the link up to Transnistria and Gagauzia. Dnipro is also very likely to liberated as well. After these are taken then maybe an agreement might be had, but it would of course be better if they liberated further territories all the way to Kiev.

100%

And i would add, how on earth can there be any trust? Russia signed those agreements in good faith with three other signatories; Russia then waited a further 8 years trying to get the Ukraine to honour it all the while NATO were cooking up this shit-show. Trust/Good faith is a two way street, once bitten twice shy and all that. There'll be a damn joint US/UK naval base in Odessa in lightening speed. A no-fly zone should be rammed down their throats post this too.

Apparently there are 300 US troops in Ukraine now. Would the US have informed Russia about their presence and location? The claim is they are there to account for US military aid. This is probably bullshit. Surely Russia can find out where they are through spies and take them out. After all the US is sending weapons to kill Russians, why would there be any professional courtesy granted?