The same can be said for targets in ukraine, but despite having many russian sympathizers, we haven't seen pro-russian partisans planting bombs on HIMARS, ukrainian SAMs etc, despite them not always being under guard, instead hiding on the streets or in some bushes.
The difference is that Russian sympathisers can simply pass on the coordinates of targets to the Russian military who will likely use intel to verify the target is genuine and then hit it with missiles and ordinance... do you think all those strikes against HQs and foreign mercenary training centres in the west of the Ukraine were just lucky hits?
Russia has lots of recon resources, but civilians in Orc land are probably helping too... if only because telling them where the ammo bunkers and fuel depots are when they get destroyed the local military will probably leave too or might even get eliminated so they don't keep stealing from you.
Because NATzO saboteur groups probably know that getting caught won't put them in serious trouble since Russia provides fair treatment to any prisoners. This needs to change, If I am in charge, I will make sure that these NATzO Terrorists are cut to pieces while still alive and their families slaughtered including their pets.
Which would just make the enemy more likely to fight to the death... lots of intel you can get from prisoners, and most of the prisoners you get are just following orders or defending their country.
As previously reported, Spain plans to transfer one more (or both of its) Spada 2000 complexes to Ukraine, and, according to some reports, training of Ukrainian personnel for the Spada 2000 transferred by Italy can also be organized in Spain.
Perhaps Russia should support the independence aspirations of Catalonia in response to their friendship.
Then in 1999 came the man who saved Russia. Putin was hated from day one in the west because he undid one American project after another. He stood up to the oligarchs, he ensured the army and navy would no longer have to hunt for food and would get paid, he put paid to the Islamic extremists in the caucasus, he restored Orthodoxy, and he made Russia stand tall and challenged the neocons who wanted to destroy his country. I have lots of respect and love for Vladimir Vladimirovich.
And ironically what the west desperately needs is their own Putin in each of their countries... france, germany, uk, us, italy etc etc etc that can turn around their broken countries and get them back on the right track...
Don't like their chances though.
Putin made one fatal mistake though - he trusted the west's so-called "War on Terror" allowing US/Natzo bases in former Soviet territories.
He referred to the west as "partners" and I can understand why. He truly believed that these fuckers would allow a multi-polar world with free and fair trade between nations, but now we know better.
But was that a mistake... it certainly has not been fatal for Russia... it has actually been liberating... with the west not being able to change this war or some war like it was always going to happen... the super sanctions were coming and it was only a question of what provocation or excuse would be used to impose them.
He knew a leopard wont change its spots so he made Russia strong enough to properly separate from the west and continue to grow and develop and let the west cheat and fester and destroy themselves piece by piece...
Russia isn't destroying the west, the west is destroying the west... the same way they made the Ukraine destroy itself... step one cut yourself off from a major customer (in the case of the EU cut yourself off from that cheap energy that let you be rich), and then step two try to turn everyone else against that customer (isolating yourself more than them really)...
The US used that to infiltrate all over Central Asia and we can still see the result of that today.
But this time they bit off more than they can chew and are choking... all the countries they screwed would rather punch them in the face than pat them on the back.
Oh, so now using over expensive missiles is a sign of doom?
No part of them is made from American materials so why would it have an American cost value associated with it?
$250K? Why not 3 million?
After the 13 million$ kh-101 they have the 250 000$ atgm.
Espionage... they copied the missile making practises of the US MIC so with the gold plate and over paid work force their missile making costs increased as much as western makers making weapons for the Ukraine did.
In theory, this type of missile could easily be used to hit important military and infrastructure targets at long range, such as Russian military airfields deep in the rear.
Assuming they get past air defence... the orcs tend to attack civilian targets because they are easier targets...
US troops are in Ukraine now, nothing can be done to get them out , Russia won't hit them
The US troops have been there training troops on an off for almost a decade... this conflict made many of them leave and its intent is to make them all leave.
They want to hit Crimea and Russia and Russian ships and pipes and bridges then their troops are fair game.
USA is already declaring its presence in Ukraine as a prelude to any Russian incursion in western Ukraine
If that was their intent then they fucked up because it just makes them a target that is worth hitting.
The announcement made by American media, and naming the defense attache in Kiev - brigadier general garrick Harmon, serves to warn Russia and set the ground for a response to any casualties of US troops
They are in a war zone and are fair game... they are legitimate targets because they are helping the nazis... if the US thinks it can respond to Russian attacks on Americans in the Ukraine then it must understand therefore that US help to the nazis means any US target outside the war zone is fair game for any attacks by the Orcs on Russia or Russians... which have already happened.
Russia has failed to deter NATO, and the strategic weapons did not force the west to retreat
US troops trying to go through paperwork to work out where their weapons went is no threat to Russia... just a tasty target because that is not what they will actually be doing because they don't give a **** about wasting US taxpayers money... that is their job to waste it.
At this point US has achieved its goals, they have successfully defended Ukraine and provided the basis for future NATO presence out of Odessa and Kiev
The Ukraine is fucked as a nation and is about to downsize radically... Odessa is emptying of Orcs and Nazis to fill gaps on the front lines...
The US has gotten complete monopoly over gas sales to Europe,
They have, and so what happens this winter when excess US supplies are banned from export to avoid gas shortages in the US and the EU freezes... of course they will blame Putin and Russia but that wont keep them warm... fuckem.
They can wear Russia down with Ukraine, and buildup their forces near Belarus and Russia ,
The only thing they could do to win would be to repeat what happened in Korea in the 1950s... the EU and US need to send in their million man Army and Air Force and try to push Russia back to the new Russian border and ask for peace while suffering enormous losses and it is not going to happen.
The west can't stomach loses on the sort of scale they now know they will suffer if they try anything.
Their air power will fail them and be largely useless and without airpower they are in the same boat as the orcs...
In a briefing to reporters, the defense official said the US has “committed eight NASAMS and associated munitions, and two of those will be in Ukraine in the very near future.” The official also said that Washington would send spare parts for Ukraine’s Soviet-era air defense systems, as well as various counter-unmanned aerial systems.
They will need to keep their location secret because once they start being used Drones will swarm to these systems and overwhelm them... they wont have enough ready to fire missiles to destroy all the missiles the Russians fired just the other day to hit power stations... how many will they launch against new air defence systems?
This is the beginning of the deployment of the 101st airborne into Ukraine
Bullshit, they are sending military men that are paper pushers to audit the Ukrainian use of their weapons... sending the 101st airborne would be an obvious lie and would lead to such soldiers getting bombed and missiled ASAP.
They will make up the defense in Odessa and Kiev
They would be more than useless in such a role... they are used to operating with air support... which is not going to happen.
Russia will not engage them, if they do, it's world war 3 and the Russian leadership is too timid to risk it
This is an opportunity for Russia to get revenge on the country that created this conflict in the first place... why wouldn't they attack them?
They're in Ukraine already
The head of the KGB in Belarus thinks they are in Poland still...
Another day of waiting for Russia to launch the goddamn offensive.
I would like to be more optimistic, but the Kremlin's indecisiveness has me waiting for months now.
I am sure the last thing they want to do is inconvenience anyone on the internet, but they have plans and I doubt they will change them or rush them to suit invisible people on the internet... me included.
American military personnel are now in Ukraine to help keep track of the billions of dollars’ worth of weapons and equipment the United States has sent since the start of the Russian invasion, a senior U.S. defense official and senior U.S. military official said.
Led by Brig. Gen. Garrick Harmon, the U.S. defense attaché to Ukraine, the inspections have already begun with the help of the Office of Defense Cooperation personnel who have returned to the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine, the officials said. The U.S. had conducted similar checks on aid prior to the war, but they stopped for months after Russia invaded on Feb. 24.
Only an idiot would claim the 101st Airborne are the first choice for auditing and war zone that is just ridiculous.
But now Russia won’t be able to attack the warehouses etc because they’ll have US forces present in them or major train transport hubs
Why do you think that? Americans have already been killed in this conflict... some more does not matter at all... in fact I think it will be necessary to kill off a few they installed in the political structures in Kiev if they want any decent future for the region.
In fact anywhere they do not want attacked, they’ll stick US forces there…pretty smart move from the US imo. The West and central of the Ukraine will become the same as the east of Syria - off limits to the Russians.
It was already reported they attacked the so called British special forces base in Odessa where the poms planned that attack on the Black Sea fleet... and they already hit the training bases and assembly locations for foreign fighters in west ukraine... they have probably already killed lots of HATO planners in various attacks on HQs around the place too.
The rest of your comment is utter dribble re them attacking them in the Ukraine - you understand the difference between merc and actual army deployment right?
US troops in a war zone have no legal protection under international law... they are fair game...
And do you think Orc special forces raids behind enemy lines are all Ukrainian nationals?
There are US units involved in fighting and I rather doubt the freedom fighters or the Russians stop firing at them when they are identified as such...
But if the quote thread you set up is too long... u can get a suspension.Can anyone work THAT out?
Filling up a thread that grows rapidly anyway with a conversation that might be ten times bigger than the one line comment you post in response because of picture and other shit included is just being lazy... what would my posts look like if I included the entire post of those I am replying to?
I agree that nazis are evil, but banning them wont eliminate them, it will just drive them underground and in some cases create sympathy for them.
Let them talk and let them expose their ignorance... it is nazis in the Ukraine who ban languages and people for wanting to speak this or that language and any political party that does not agree with them.
Anyone who looks at this forum can immediately so what is what because there is no need to lie.
Good thing or bad thing... this is not a democracy.
I can't. Its going to force people to give up on the forum.
If this forum is too pro Kiev and too pro US I am not sure where else they could go.... I have looked and looked and this was the only forum I didn't get banned from for saying positive things about Putin and Russia.
A US presence in Ukraine could unfortunately block Russia's access further West, but probably Putin's government has already thought about that.
The US had a huge presence there when Russia went in... it was US forces and UK forces on the front lines showing them how to rape and murder and target civilians and to hide the evidence from the OSCE...
Then Russia could continue its expansion to the West like Nato expanded to the East after the collapse of the USSR.
Putin would stop the war right now if there was any way to guarantee the Ukraine we know of would not join HATO or EU or the west, and become neutral... actually neutral... no western troops training their military etc etc... but that can never happen.
Putin has no interest in freeing Poland or Rumania or Hungary or any other EU/HATO/Western country... they are not Putins problem as long as they stay out of the way he doesn't care what they do... as far as he is concerned it is over with europe and the west... build a big wall and withdraw diplomats and forget they exist.
Its attitudes like that that kill forums off permanently.
You have an opinion and you are entitled to that opinion, but that does not make what you say is true.
If some precious fellow can't take an alternative view and will only go to a forum where he hears his own opinion parroted back to him every day then what sort of person is that?
If your views can't be challenged without you getting upset then it sounds like your views are built on chocolate pudding...
Nazis did kill many millions of Soviets, and I don't have much time for them, but banning them doesn't make them disappear... they are there and if you never listen to them you can never point out when they are wrong which is bad for you because it reminds you why they are so wrong and nazism is so evil, but it also means they don't hear anyone countering their views which reinforces them thinking they are right.
The purpose of this forum is to educate westerners and it seems an important lesson is that banning and sanctions don't work in the long run.
The rules of the forum are about keeping discussion civil and well behaved... not about who is right and who is wrong.
Nope, hotdogs and hamburgers in Ukraine should not expect to be safe doing their audit. If they happen to be in warehouses full of weapons that support terrorism and they get barbecued its not Russia's problem and Article V isn't really a concern.
Which actually makes them a priority target... get one of them to turn their cellphone on and track them to all the sites they visit and then when the audit is complete hit those locations hard... if you kill the Americans they will stop visiting new sites and locating weapons and ammo dumps for you.
Noone touches the Yankees, that's the rule since 1941, and Japan, Germany, Korea, the arabs and Russia have since learned that lesson
I guess all those American crews in those B-52s shot down over Vietnam might disagree...
The Russians haven't actively gone out of their way to kill Americans after the end of the cold war but I would say this conflict will change things for good... if the Syrian conflict hadn't already...
Putin still doesn't understand who he's dealing with, he thinks he can make a deal - Yankees take full advantage of it
No, he does know who he is dealing with and he knows Zelensky can't make a deal now... he has already said he will not work with Putin... so of course Putin will say he is happy to talk.
Yeah , I'm pretty sure Saddam and Gaddaffi thought exactly the same thing lol
You think the US has sent weapon and ammo auditors to the Ukraine to try to kill Putin?
Or Zelensky?
They have been trying the former for decades and the latter would be easy... they could probably tell him to kill himself...
Every US soldier in Ukraine is a legitimate target!
They are auditing western weapons and ammo so I would say tracking them and hitting the locations they visit would be a high priority.
It's quite possible that the window for NATO has now closed -
It was never open.
In the end it turned out that US intelligence was correct and that Russia got these drones and the ability to produce them from Iran
More like US Intelligence learned last year that Russia was practising and training with an Iranian drone and probably bought a licence to modify them and produce them in Russia... you can't just start production of a foreign drone you haven't tested... you need to test it and then modify it to suit your systems and equipment so your own AD doesn't shoot it down, and then change the avionics so its signals can be detected and read and it wont jam something else you want to use on the battlefield... they will have been working on setting production of these drones up for a year or more.
Now it's known that these missiles are being bought as well,
Well known to western propaganda sources, and for the obvious propaganda claim that they must be running out of missiles... and they are buying chinese drones and missiles and North Korean drones and missiles... because obviously the Russians can't have enough missiles and rockets... but the irony is that it is artillery shells that are doing the most damage to Orc troops in the field and no sign of running out of those yet.
Why would Russia need these missiles? Considering Iskander and Kalibr its obvious they either a) ran out , or b) cannot use these liberally anymore because their stocks are low
That is the western propaganda you keep pushing, but they seem to keep using them...
Geran 2 did what missiles could not in a very short period of time , Ukraine was de-electrified in what? 2 months?
Geran has a 30kg warhead... Ukraine was de electrified when Russia decided to de electrify them... they could have used a wide range of weapons to do that... they could have dug up some ancient anti ship missiles like Styx missiles for that job.
Kalibr couldnt do that since war began
Couldn't?
Moron... keep eating the western propaganda... Iranian drones better than Russian cruise missiles...
Have you guys heard of this evil plan to preemptive strike Russia in December 2021 by French led naval exercise:
Who said the movie Dr Strangelove was not a documentary?
It makes you think Ian Flemming got his scripts from western plans rather than from a warped imagination.
Putin and Co. are making so many mistakes smh...
You quote a Ukrainian business magazine?
Billy is making the mistakes it seems.
But I do expect some big moves before the US election to show Biden is losing the war. So there will be a show of force for sure. Maybe on Nov 6th or 7th.
Guy Fawkes night is traditionally November the 5th here in New Zealand...
Turkey cannot be trusted since they occupied Syrian northern territory, harvested Syrian oil and thwarted Russia's actions to restore order in the country. They are snakes and backstabbers. At least with the Chinese you know upfront that they act in their own interests and move with opportunism.
Turkey can be trusted to act in their own interests... that article is Ukrainian... and Turkey have not joined in the sanctions the EU and HATO have so until they do they are not the problem.
Agreed. Don't know why Russia was getting all chummy with the Turks as of late. They cannot be trusted at all. After Syria/the 2015 Russian Sukhoi Su-24 shootdown/approving of Sweden and Finland into NATO, I thought this was clear?
They have not approved Swedens entry into HATO and Finland have said they wont join if Sweden doesn't.
Because Russia has no 700 km range missiles? Which means they cannot use Iskander to hit the entirety of Ukrainian territory unless they launch from Belarus? Did you ever consider that? Iskander does not have more range because of treaty limitations. But the US withdrew unilaterally from that treaty so the whole thing is fair game now.
Other good points over and above the basic one that the only source for this information is the US who are lying
who should never be trusted about anything.
I know about the former intermediate missile treaty, but I thought that the iskander was purposely limited below its actual capabilities to be allowed under that treaty.
The missile would have a range surplus because it flies like an aircraft and not ballistically like a missile and as it approaches its targets it can detect incoming threats and manouver to evade them... an undefended target it should be able to reach further... but the air launched version is called Kinzhal and can reach 2,000km when launched from a MiG-31K so the point is moot.
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