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    Post  Tolstoy Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:06 pm

    flamming_python wrote:China's not upset with Russia. They're not idiots. And everything has been consulted with them ahead of time. India was informed too, and other countries.
     But China has expressed its displeasure with this conflict by allowing its ally Pakistan to ship weapons to Ukraine. India too has exported weapons to Ukraine via Armenia.

    India and the other countries that you mention are not major powers so their support or lack of it makes no difference. China on the other hand is a major power that Russia would want on its side.
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    Post  caveat emptor Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:07 pm

    I doubt that Ukrainians can destroy dam itself, but they will go for the lock and water discharge outlet. One of the logical and easiest things to do would be to lower water level behind the dam  by several meters.

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    Post  AMCXXL Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:34 pm

    https://t.me/s/boris_rozhin/68029

    Database activated week 35 completed - updated data on military losses in the DNR. The source is your ombudsman.

    During the past week, 71 irrecoverable losses and 495 casualties were added. Total casualties for the week are 566. The ratio of killed to wounded has also been reduced from 1 to 10.

    The total since the start of the active phase of combat operations is 3,459 dead and 14,652 wounded. Total casualties during this period were 1.8111.

    Since the beginning of active combat operations, the average daily loss is as follows: non-returnable losses - 14.1 per day; sanitary losses - 59.8 per day; total losses - 73.9 per day.

    Civilian casualties have also been updated. The source is the same. During the week, 12 deaths and 51 injuries were added.
    Total: Since the beginning of active combat operations:
    1,017 civilians killed, 3,218 injured. The total number of victims is 4,235.

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    Post  Azi Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:05 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30 - Page 4 Scree115
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    This is what the flooding would look like if the dam is destroyed-

    Kherson would be indefensible, and taking Nikolayev and Odessa become impossible with that much flooding

    So, if Putin and Co. Are meeting at the security council every morning, I assume they discuss what to do in this event

    It probably is the reason for massing troops north and west of Kiev,

    As any maneuver in the south would be impossible

    Well hopefully they get most of the civilians out, because whoever if left on the right bank will get massacred by the Ukros

    As for the dam, they need to get air defense on the dam ASAP, throw TORM2, Pantsir-Sm, buk m3, and s300V4

    I think Kirvoy Rog direction also is more important than any other direction to create a buffer between the dam and the Ukros

    That won't happen!

    Russia is already draining water from the dam. Secondly, Ukraine has only the ability to punch small holes in the dam, they have no ability to deliver large amounts of explosives to the target.

    The situation in Kherson is of course dangerous, but this time I am 100% sure that it is a trap for Ukraine. Russia has enough forces, it has reserves, and air dominance is increasing. An offensive in Kherson would result in a heavy defeat for Ukraine.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:09 pm

    🇮🇹 The new minister of transport in the government of Italy is Matteo Salvini.

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    Post  Firebird Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:09 pm

    https://en.news-front.info/2022/10/21/national-security-and-defense-council-of-ukraine-the-russian-language-must-disappear/

    We must never forget why the defeat of these scum most be brutal, merciless and total.
    It may still be the Great Patriotic War II.

    Of course thankfully Russian casualties will be infinitesimal in comparison.
    But these Fascists are just the same evil scum as Nazis v1. Just the same scum as some of the frequenters of these boards infact. And just the same scum as those who need to feel retribution over in GATO states.

    That demon in the link should be dragged behind a truck with piano wire round its neck for such evil comments.

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    Post  auslander Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:22 pm

    Large numbers of civilians are in and/or heading for Krimea. Not too many for Sevastopol, main reason is to all intents and purposes the village is shut. All are sent to accommodations, many to 'resort' hotels on south coast. Mother is paying all.

    Seems our rats had an epiphany and got the bejesus frightened out of them when the bridge got fornicated for a few hours. 6 and longer kilometer ques waiting to get on the bridge to the mainland couple days ago. Our local streets are diserted, the bastids finally left.


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:25 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:https://t.me/s/boris_rozhin/68029

    Database activated week 35 completed - updated data on military losses in the DNR. The source is your ombudsman.

    During the past week, 71 irrecoverable losses and 495 casualties were added. Total casualties for the week are 566. The ratio of killed to wounded has also been reduced from 1 to 10.

    The total since the start of the active phase of combat operations is 3,459 dead and 14,652 wounded. Total casualties during this period were 1.8111.

    Since the beginning of active combat operations, the average daily loss is as follows: non-returnable losses - 14.1 per day; sanitary losses - 59.8 per day; total losses - 73.9 per day.

    Civilian casualties have also been updated. The source is the same. During the week, 12 deaths and 51 injuries were added.
    Total: Since the beginning of active combat operations:
    1,017 civilians killed, 3,218 injured. The total number of victims is 4,235.

    It is tragic for such losses, nonetheless 3500 KIA for militia is far below estimates thrown around on here and especially western media

    This means casualties are still far below 8000 for militia and Russian regulars

    That is good news

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:29 pm

    Azi wrote:

    That won't happen!

    Russia is already draining water from the dam. Secondly, Ukraine has only the ability to punch small holes in the dam, they have no ability to deliver large amounts of explosives to the target.

    The situation in Kherson is of course dangerous, but this time I am 100% sure that it is a trap for Ukraine. Russia has enough forces, it has reserves, and air dominance is increasing. An offensive in Kherson would result in a heavy defeat for Ukraine.

    Hopefully so, nonetheless do not discount the west can supply serious munitions to Kiev regime

    Or perhaps a terror attack of untold proportions

    It has nothing to do with number of Russians, as the flood negates numbers

    It has to do with adequate protection of Kakhovka dam, and also, force projection into krivoy Rog

    If the danger posed to Kherson and future plans for Nikolayev/Odessa is coming from floods

    Then krivoy Rog should be zone of offensive to create protective conditions over the reservoir


    This can be done quite easily- alas MOD and general staff have other ideas

    Although given the track record, let's hope they're not repeating past mistakes
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    Post  caveat emptor Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:32 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    It is tragic for such losses, nonetheless 3500 KIA for militia is far below estimates thrown around on here and especially western media

    This means casualties are still far below 8000 for militia and Russian regulars

    That is good news
    This is DNR only, not both republics. Add to this Wagner, LNR, Russian army and volunteer units. I'm not sure if number provided by Shoigu was for Army alone or if Rosgvardia was included, since they are not under Russian MoD.

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    Post  0nillie0 Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:41 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    Azi wrote:

    That won't happen!

    Russia is already draining water from the dam. Secondly, Ukraine has only the ability to punch small holes in the dam, they have no ability to deliver large amounts of explosives to the target.

    The situation in Kherson is of course dangerous, but this time I am 100% sure that it is a trap for Ukraine. Russia has enough forces, it has reserves, and air dominance is increasing. An offensive in Kherson would result in a heavy defeat for Ukraine.

    Hopefully so, nonetheless do not discount the west can supply serious munitions to Kiev regime

    Or perhaps a terror attack of untold proportions

    It has nothing to do with number of Russians, as the flood negates numbers

    It has to do with adequate protection of Kakhovka dam, and also, force projection into krivoy Rog

    If the danger posed to Kherson and future plans for Nikolayev/Odessa is coming from floods

    Then krivoy Rog should be zone of offensive to create protective conditions over the reservoir


    This can be done quite easily- alas MOD and general staff have other ideas

    Although given the track record, let's hope they're not repeating past mistakes

    Western media is already pushing the narrative of a "Russian false flag on the dam", so you can bet the Ukranians and their masters are gonna try something.
    Most likely they will combine it with another false flag of their own to divert attention to. And if whatever they have planned for the dam fails, they can still cry about another fiction.


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    Post  AMCXXL Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:44 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    It is tragic for such losses, nonetheless 3500 KIA for militia is far below estimates thrown around on here and especially western media

    This means casualties are still far below 8000 for militia and Russian regulars

    That is good news

    We must add the casualties of the LNR, which will be close to 2,000.

    Casualties of the Russian Armed Forces last month were below 6,000, considering that they represented only 50% of the contingent before mobilization.
    The first 10 days RuAF lost 550 soldiers in column ambushes, that's why the tactic was changed

    In addition there are casualties in the National Guard, such as the Chechens and other volunteer units,

    The total will not be more than 13 to 15 thousand, when the Ukrainians reach 125 thousand irrecoverable casualties with their suicide attacks, the ratio is between 9 and 10 to 1

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Oct 21, 2022 8:33 pm

    Tolstoy wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:China's not upset with Russia. They're not idiots. And everything has been consulted with them ahead of time. India was informed too, and other countries.
     But China has expressed its displeasure with this conflict by allowing its ally Pakistan to ship weapons to Ukraine. India too has exported weapons to Ukraine via Armenia.

    India and the other countries that you mention are not major powers so their support or lack of it makes no difference. China on the other hand is a major power that Russia would want on its side.

    Pakistan had a coup not long after the war began with Imran Khan being replaced by the traditional US-orientated elite there. Although even this elite may drift further from the West as time goes on. Regardless, China is not in control of the Pakistani government. Clearly Washington has more command there. I BTW haven't heard of Pakistan shipping weapons to the Ukraine either way.

    And I haven't heard anything about India shipping weapons to the Ukraine via Armenia either. Or any weapons going from Armenia to the Ukraine.

    China is very much on Russia's "side". The entire non-Western world is.
    Because it's not even about being on Russia's side, but of simply following their own interests and being independent countries. In that sense, anyone who hasn't subscribed to Western sanctions on Russia and isolation of Russia, while continuing to trade with Russia and invest in Russia, increasing purchases of its goods and commodities now at discounted prices, and if necessary creating new mechanisms for shipping, currency swaps, financial transfers, etc.. - is on Russia's side. This is the multi-polar world order not dependent on the West or its many organizations & instruments, that Russia is trying to bring about.

    But if you're talking about more explicit activities, then I think it's clear that judging by China's activity in the SCO, BRICS, it's standoff earlier this year with the US on Taiwan that the Chinese made a major incident of and fanned domestic nationalism in response to, and the general vector of their diplomacy with the US. As well as by their increasing purchases of Russian gas, including to resale to the same European customers.. that China's position on current world events is a lot closer to Russia's than to the collective West's. And that it has acted as a replacement market for much of what Russia lost in sales to the EU. Let's put it like that.

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    Post  LMFS Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:40 pm

    Hole wrote:No blood or faces so I decided to post these pics. De-nazification and de-militarization continues.

    They are not dead, they are resting Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:14 pm

    At 8 am, Russian missile troops attacked the territory of the Kommunar plant in Kharkov.

    According to our tip, shop 12 was struck, where the components of the Neptune anti-ship systems were assembled. Inside the workshop there were 18 missiles, which were planned to be sent to the Motor Sich plant in Zaporozhye to be equipped with a warhead.

    The western wing of the workshop was completely destroyed by two rocket strikes: only the walls remained, the interior was demolished.



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    Post  JohninMK Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:38 pm

    Ukrainian insider telegram channel:

    In order to divert the attention of the world media from the possible destruction by the Ukrainian Nazis of the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station, British experts from MI6 recommended Zelensky to carry out a distracting sabotage on the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline in the Nikolaev region.

    The destruction of the ammonia pipeline is planned to be carried out in the Bereznegovatsky district, where more than 15 thousand people live.

    The destruction of a part of the pipe is planned with the help of the S-300 air defense system. After that, the Western media will cover events to rescue the residents of nearby villages and traditionally accuse Russia of terrorism.

    The preparations for a terrorist act on the ammonia pipeline are indicated by the actions of the State Service of Ukraine for Emergency Situations. In the administration of settlements of the Bereznegovatsky district, representatives of the State Emergency Service delivered memos on first aid in case of damage to hazardous chemicals.

    It should also be noted that a large number of foreign journalists arrived in Nikolaev, who, according to some reports, should be involved in covering a certain emergency.

    Such a strategy of action is not new. More than once, the West has been ready to sacrifice civilians to achieve its goals, especially if they are not citizens of Western countries.

    The resumption of ammonia exports was part of the extension of the "grain deal". By the way, the American company Occidental Petroleum has already paid for the next supply of ammonia.



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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:50 pm


    Just take out the source plant that pumps ammonia through this pipeline, problem solved




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    Post  limb Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:28 pm

    Whats the reason the dpr advance in pervomaiskoe is measured in meters? unlike in bakhmut and soledar which have large quarries and industrial zones on their east sides, pervomaiskoe is just a one street tiny village with destroyed houses on each side of the street.

    You people make fun of terrobobs, but if they make the russian not advance almost at all in the last 4 months, then they have much better defensive effectiveness that most here admit.
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    Post  Hole Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:31 pm

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    Post  Hole Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:32 pm

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    Read on Twitter that an Su-57 shot down an Ukro Su-27 with an R-37M. Waiting for conformation.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:47 pm

    limb wrote:Whats the reason the dpr advance in pervomaiskoe is measured in meters? unlike in bakhmut and soledar which have large quarries and industrial zones on their east sides, pervomaiskoe is just a one street tiny village with destroyed houses on each side of the street.

    You people make fun of terrobobs, but if they make the russian not advance almost at all in the last 4 months, then they have much better defensive effectiveness that most here admit.

    Is the town the objective or is wiping out the Ukrainian army the objective. You go in, take part of the town dig in, know the Ukes will advance, you retreat and you shell, swedish traffic cam, washing machine, and strafe them all to Unka Adolf and Grandpa Stepan, wash, rinse, repeat. You are assuming that taking the town is the objective, not the means to the obective.

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    Post  Erk Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:54 pm

    Tolstoy wrote:
     But China has expressed its displeasure with this conflict by allowing its ally Pakistan to ship weapons to Ukraine. India too has exported weapons to Ukraine via Armenia.

    India and the other countries that you mention are not major powers so their support or lack of it makes no difference. China on the other hand is a major power that Russia would want on its side.
    Pakistan has it's own agenda.
    China are behind Russia, regardless of what Pakistan does.
    India is also behind Russia, regardless of what Pakistan does.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:59 pm

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    TSVL-8 M5 Dominator

    Apparently liquidated ukro at 800M

    Thermal signature (which is one of the most common problems on the modern battlefield), flash, and the sound of noise. "Dominator" is equipped with a carbon fiber tube of special winding technology and a proprietary titanium suppressor of a special type that provides increased strength and survivability of the system, bringing it to the service life of the barrel. 

    This model is a special version with the most effective DDFS. This system determines the features of the model's application - wherever increased stealth is needed, but also the accuracy inherent in Lobaev Arms rifles.

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    Caliber:.338 LM\ .300 WM
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Oct 22, 2022 12:06 am

    BetAB-500SHP

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    What does it mean - concrete.
    Of the concrete-piercing bombs, one of the most interesting is the BetAB-500shp bomb. Not the most interesting, but one of - for sure. This bomb is designed for low-altitude bombing. In fact, this is not quite a bomb, but rather a half-ton rocket in the form of a bomb. After separation from the aircraft, the bomb releases a parachute, which slows down the ammunition very quickly, allowing the carrier aircraft to move away and not fall under the fragments of its own bombs, and the ammunition is set to the most sheer angle of the meeting with the target. We need this so that the bomb does not recoil from the hard coating.

    As soon as the angle becomes good enough, we no longer need a parachute and, on the contrary, it begins to interfere with our good deeds. Therefore, it is forcibly fired off by the pyromechanism of the bomb, after which the powder accelerators of the accelerating engine come into action, which accelerate our cast iron to superluminal speeds, breaking through one and a half meters of concrete, and the bomb finally explodes after a couple of tens of seconds, having fulfilled its purpose.
    But you can talk and instant explosion.


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    These MI28 are probably my favorite helicopter,

    They are conducting the Izd305 launches , and it is insanely effective

    Would be a good idea to design a missile like such which could be used by the weapons operator/copilot

    I think KH59 with optical warhead is a good alternative, but they can also use IZD305, and load like 12 of them on su34, and get up in altitude and let these fall on enemy concentrations

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