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    Post  Werewolf Thu Oct 13, 2022 8:15 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Those things are much more than it seems.
    For all the time the conflict is going, Ukro aircrafts are just falling down the skies.
    They are making very limited number of sorties, yet they are being shot down like a goose in the hunting season.
    My respect to the crews.
    They do know that have a one-way ticket, yet they keep trying.
    It is sad to watch how Ivan is forced to kill twisted Ivan  cry

    Like I have said already, the best chance they have is to use these aircrafts to desert by flying extremely low and trying to avoid friend and foe for as much as possible and then land before getting seen or shot down. Get captured and try to make a deal to turn sides or at least not being one of the POWs who might get exchanged. The other option is the picture above. Burned to ashes.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Oct 13, 2022 8:19 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Like I have said already, the best chance they have is to use these aircrafts to desert by flying extremely low and trying to avoid friend and foe for as much as possible and then land before getting seen or shot down. Get captured and try to make a deal to turn sides or at least not being one of the POWs who might get exchanged. The other option is the picture above. Burned to ashes.



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    You both are showing internet in a nutshell...

    Hm ..
    One of them does not need to copy texts from the internet and paste them, having own knowledge and ideas.
    You can guess which one Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Hole Thu Oct 13, 2022 8:29 pm

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    How it happened. 
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    Building was successfully intercepted by UkroNazi AD
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    Post  Tolstoy Thu Oct 13, 2022 8:33 pm

    I realize Kremlin wanted to avoid collateral damage and therefore refrained from NATO style invasion of Ukraine. But even then this bombing campaign with Iranian drones and Kalibre missiles is what Kremlin should have been doing during the opening phase of the campaign.

    The armoured colums and infantry should have neen sent much later.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Oct 13, 2022 8:36 pm

    Today there was one more footage of the AD missile - looking like 5W55 - making a loop after launch and hit the ground.
    The thing seems notorious.

    As the opposite, today's materials made in Belograd show the shoot down missile debris that hit the piatetazhka top, while the Pantsir 1st stage was documented on the ground. In some playground area.

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    Post  Hole Thu Oct 13, 2022 8:37 pm

    According to sources from 404(!) the drone hit the cockpit of the MiG-29. Accident? Intentionally?  dunno But first confirmed kill for a drone against a fighter jet.

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    Post  nomadski Thu Oct 13, 2022 8:38 pm

    diabetus wrote " Would an air launched Geran variant make sense? " If aircraft are only launched from friendly territory , and they can only be launched from friendly territory , and soon after cross over to hostile territory , then they are just as exposed to enemy AD . This negates the advantage of disposable drone . While not providing any advantage over ground launched versions . That is if these drones are just as effective , launched from ground , as from air . But if launched from the air , as in an air to air engagements , where height of AA missile launched from drone or range of suicide drone increase , if launched from air , or coupling aircraft radar to direct flight of drone , provides advantages , then yes it is better . But all these should be done from aircraft flying over friendly territory , used like a high tower to launch arrows . Prop driven planes can be used for this purpose .More exciting is using Russian live satellite feed to direct Iranian BM at weapon shipments from Poland .


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    Post  Hole Thu Oct 13, 2022 8:39 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Today there was one more footage of the AD missile - looking like 5W55 - making a loop after launch and hit the ground.
    The thing seems notorious.

    As the opposite, today's materials made in Belograd show the shoot down missile debris that hit the piatetazhka top, while the Pantsir 1st stage was documented on the ground. In some playground area.
    A Kaliber above Ternopil was missed by 4 SAMs.

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    Post  Isos Thu Oct 13, 2022 8:40 pm

    Hole wrote:According to sources from 404(!) the drone hit the cockpit of the MiG-29. Accident? Intentionally?  dunno But first confirmed kill for a drone against a fighter jet.

    Hard to believe unless he used its guns to destfoy the drone which exploded in front of him and debris reached its engines.

    Most likely it got shot by a r-77 or r-37 without seeing it.

    Where did it happen ?

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    Post  Isos Thu Oct 13, 2022 8:41 pm

    Hole wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:Today there was one more footage of the AD missile - looking like 5W55 - making a loop after launch and hit the ground.
    The thing seems notorious.

    As the opposite, today's materials made in Belograd show the shoot down missile debris that hit the piatetazhka top, while the Pantsir 1st stage was documented on the ground. In some playground area.
    A Kaliber above Ternopil was missed by 4 SAMs.

    Ukraine never maintained its S-300. They need russian spare parts. I wouldn't sit into or near one of their launchers, missiles can explode during launch.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Oct 13, 2022 8:45 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Ukraine never maintained its S-300. They need russian spare parts. I wouldn't sit into or near one of their launchers, missiles can explode during launch.

    I really enjoy the moments when you are sane.
    It is interesting to hear that common sense calling you.
    With all the best.

    Isos wrote:
    Hard to believe unless he used its guns to destfoy the drone which exploded in front of him and debris reached its engines.
    Most likely it got shot by a r-77 or r-37 without seeing it.
    Where did it happen ?

    Somewhere in Poltava it seems.
    The Ukrs are calling that "hit by the debris of shot down drone".
    After heroic shooting down multiple of them Laughing Laughing

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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:22 pm

    Tanks and planes require 3 things to be effective, and this is everyone's:

    A. Logistics system.  They need gas, spare parts, maintenance, ammo.  You can have the best tank, with the biggest gun, best armor, and mightyiest engine, but if it doesn't have petrol, can't be serviced and doesn't have shells its just a piece of scenery

    2. Working in concert with other forces.  Take away infantry support, air cover, recon, and the ability to coordinate with other arms, tanks will not be effective.  No air support and you become prey to the enemy's aviation.  Too far ahead of your infantry? You risk getting cut off.  No recon? You are blind and risk driving jnto ambush

    3. Training.  There's a reason why Wehrmacht 1.0 killed Soviet tank crews.  If you don't know how to use your weapon effectively then its sort of like giving your 16 year old a corvette without first teaching him how to drive.  

    So really an M1A1 is not going to be too successful in the hands of the panzerkorps der Wehrmacht 2.0.  In much the same way, the A-10, Apache, or f-15, F-16 will also not do all that much.  So the US won't bring those in.  First, they could be captured and studied.  Second, they'd lose buyers.

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    Post  Isos Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:24 pm

    We saw how long turkish hawk were deployed in Libya... pretty useless. They can't even help in the rear protect cities from missiles strike. It's a bad system. The kalibr will get out of the engagement zone before the lock on is made.

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    Post  Isos Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:28 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    So really an M1A1 is not going to be too successful in the hands of the panzerkorps der Wehrmacht 2.0.  In much the same way, the A-10, Apache, or f-15, F-16 will also not do all that much.  So the US won't bring those in.  First, they could be captured and studied.  Second, they'd lose buyers.

    They would be hunted by iranian drones. Juicyest target that they can dream of in term of propaganda.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:29 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    Hoo hoo hoo, someone is getting it on in a San Francisco bath house and s&m club.  Is this you bending over in the video? Well come on man, stand up and tell us. . . .
    https://youtu.be/-7870l6ECBw

    Do you know what is really disturbing?
    It is a conspiracy theory.
    All over.
    Everything out the line is one.
    So here is my question :

    Was president Eisenhower a madman? A true&sole American? A war hero?



    When Kennedy was talking about "secret assemblies" (can't find that now, anyone help?) - was he a madman?

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    Post  Backman Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:30 pm

    The satanic Anglo axis retards really are going to do something like nuclear. They really want to destroy continental Europe again.

    Romania is going to buy over 3200 tents, 293k beds and more in preparation for a possible nuclear explosion.

    Romania is going to buy 3246 tents, over 293k beds, over 285k blankets, over 135k sleeping bags, 430k mattresses, 830k bed sheets, 402k pillow sheets, 430k pillows and 152k clothing items.

    The reason given for this purchase is the increasing risk of a meltdown occurring at the Zaporozhe NPP and the need to be able to house and clothe the "likely influx of foreign citizens which will arrive from the affected territories".

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:35 pm

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    Podlodka77 wrote:Я РУССКИЙ (рус), Ја сам Рус (срб), I ам Russian (eng).... RTN, this is not for NAZI-loving fags and therefore not for you..
    Russian bull dyke I' m here to open a can of whup ass on ya.

    You both are showing internet in a nutshell...

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    Well, I admit, it seems that way, but that calf is a Nazi, so I don't really like that you identified me with him. I already wrote once that I will choose my words and that I have no apologies if something doesn't suit me. Garry is here to block me and I won't be coming back if that happens. If guys like that **** are better for the forum, then I don't belong here. Garry knows that because I wrote it to him myself.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:50 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:Я РУССКИЙ (рус), Ја сам Рус (срб), I ам Russian (eng).... RTN, this is not for NAZI-loving fags and therefore not for you..

    And remember this well; I am your WORST enemy here. I will respect the wishes of the majority here not to copy your links, because you are garbage that no one follows - almost everyone has blocked you. I'm going to address you indirectly like this, you BLUE- YELLOW calf..

    Z !!!
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    Stop clogging the bandwidth with irrelevant music videos, you fucking fanboy...


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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:51 pm

    Alamo, Ike and JFK had something with their Soviet counterparts. They experienced the war and really did not want a new one. So they actually worked to ensure hostilities could be deescalated and they worked to establish back channels and hotlines so that grievences could be aired but life on earth would not stop.

    So Ike, using his legacy as commander of the AEF and JFK using his boyish charm denounced those who sought to escalate tensions such as the CIA and MIC.

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:52 pm

    ALAMO wrote:...Hm ..
    One of them does not need to copy texts from the internet and paste them, having own knowledge and ideas.
    You can guess which one Laughing Laughing Laughing

    That one at least has the basic courtesy not to spam the tread with music videos


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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:53 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:Я РУССКИЙ (рус), Ја сам Рус (срб), I ам Russian (eng).... RTN, this is not for NAZI-loving fags and therefore not for you..

    And remember this well; I am your WORST enemy here. I will respect the wishes of the majority here not to copy your links, because you are garbage that no one follows - almost everyone has blocked you. I'm going to address you indirectly like this, you BLUE- YELLOW calf..

    Z !!!
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    Stop clogging the bandwidth with irrelevant music videos, you fucking fanboy...



    It wasn't just about the music, you jerk, but there was also a message intended for "the person in question"... Twisted Evil

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:54 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    That one at least has the basic courtesy not to spam the tread with music video

    Wasn't you busy harassing some kids or something? scratch

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:57 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    That one at least has the basic courtesy not to spam the tread with music video

    Wasn't you busy harassing some kids or something? scratch

    School is out for today so I need something to fill in for kids until tomorrow   Twisted Evil


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    Post  ALAMO Thu Oct 13, 2022 10:07 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    School is out for today so I need something to fill in for kids until tomorrow   Twisted Evil

    That is sure, but I have another question.
    You are a Serb, so you should understand at least half of those song texts scratch
    Yup?
    In opposition to what you have said, both (I feel called either presenting the other song) represent the core issue here.
    What the Russkie think about the war.
    How they feel it.
    How dare you make a judgment about the issues, while denying the objective position of the people?
    Shaman hit 17+ mln entrances, and that was not figured out by the YT authorities, you know? scratch
    This shit is really important for all of us, to make objective judgments.
    You are trying to deny us that or something? scratch

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