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    Post  Broski Thu Oct 13, 2022 10:30 pm

    billybatts91 wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:Are you an imbecile?
    Why are you acting like everything is going great? The fact that some people would even believe this is a testament to how badly Russia has done thus far.
    More of a testament to how utterly stupid some people can be, like believing that Russia is ripping microchips out of washing machines and sticking them in their missiles. Thankfully, the outcome of this war won't be decided by online trolls.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Oct 13, 2022 10:58 pm

    Ispan wrote:I have been sick and busy but I am back

    Extensive and detailed report, with maps, and my comment at the end on the fighting on the northern front

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/10/13/parte-de-guerra-13-10-2022-informe-especial/

    Missing maps from original

    Part of war 10/13/2022 - special report
    13 October, 2022 Zhukov

    North Front

    Excerpts from Rybar's report on the previous night's fighting until 10:00 on October 13

    In the Kupyansk sector, Ukrainian formations with the 1st and 2nd battalions of the 14 mechanized brigade and the 32 Territorial combined battalion attempted an assault on the Kislovka — Pershotravnevoye line. they suffered serious losses.

    In order to maintain combat capability and replace the 32 Territorial Battalion, inthe enemy sent reinforcements from the 192 battalion of the 124 Territorial Brigade to the combat area near Pershotravnevoe and Peschanoe.

    Russian troops carried out a massive bombardment of Ukrainian positions, forcing them to retreat to Petropavlovsk to regroup.

    Shock troops of the Ukrainian 92nd mechanized brigade tried to settle in the vicinity of Kotlyarivka. The Ukrainian formations were pushed back to their original positions by artillery fire.

    During the heavy fighting, the total losses of the Ukrainian formations amounted to three tanks, four infantry fighting vehicles, seven vehicles and more than 50 men.

    Ukrainian advanced reconnaissance groups are probing the positions of the Russian Armed Forces and directing artillery fire at the Sinkovka—Olshana, Orlyanka —Kotlyarovka —Kislovka, Nikolaevka and Stelmakhovka lines.

    Two enemy battalion tactical groups attempted to cross the Zherebets River and occupy the villages of Stelmakhovka and Rozovka.

    Russian artillery and aviation hit enemy concentrations destroying two tanks, five infantry fighting vehicles and two pickup trucks. The losses of the Ukrainian formations amounted to several dozen people.



    South Front

    Summary of the day 13 October Colonel Cassad (Boris Rozhin) 20:15 hours

    Northern Front, Luhansk

    1. Svatovo-Kremennaya
    Fighting continues in the area of the localities of Terny and Torskoye. The enemy is strengthening its grouping in this direction. Northwest (NW) of Svatovo, the enemy continues to attack and has made a small breakthrough.



    Donbass salient

    2. Artemvosk.
    Our troops (Wagner volunteers) have taken Ivangrad and are fighting for Opytne (the village has not yet been taken).
    There is fighting on the eastern outskirts of Artemivsk.
    There is no progress towards Kurdyumovka.
    In the Soledar area, unchanged.

    3. Address Donetsk.
    The cleaning of Pervomaisky continues. It is reported that about a third of the ruined population was liberated.
    There are combatsin the direction of Nevelsky.
    In the area of Avdeyevka and Maryinka - unchanged.

    South Front

    4. Address Kherson.
    The enemy continued to try to probe the front in the area of Davydov Brod and Dudchan.
    The enemy did not abandon the goal of the offensive in Berislav - now there is an accumulation of forces in the Nikopol and Krivoy Rog directions for attacks in the coming weeks.

    Chronicle of the day October 13, 22:15 hours – Rybar

    Chronicle of the special military operation
    by October 13, 2022

    Russian forces continued to bombard the infrastructure and military installations on the territory of Ukraine: the logistics terminal on Nalyvaykovka in the Kiev region, where a NATO aid weapons and materiel warehouse was allegedly located, was hit..

    Several explosions occurred in Zolochiv in the Lviv region and other regions of western Ukraine.

    Attacks on the territories of the Russian Federation:

    In the afternoon, Ukrainian Forces shelled Belgorod again. Air defense systems intercepted the targets, but fragments of one of the missiles fell on the roof of a multi-storey building.

    At the same time, the enemy hit an ammunition depot in the village of Oktyabrsky. Another blow fell at the Shebekino border checkpoint.

    There were no casualties among civilians during the Ukrainian shelling..

    In the Kursk region, Ukrainian formations hit an electric transformer near the villages of Tetkino and Popovo-Lezhachi, cutting off electricity for several hours. The enemy also shelled Guevo, damaging several civilian buildings.

    Address Starobilsk (Lugansk front)

    In the Kupyansk sector the Ukrainian Forces, with part of the 14th Brigade and the 32nd territorial battalion, tried to storm the positions of the Russian army on the Kislovka — Pershotravnevoe line, but suffered losses and retreated.

    The units of the 92nd mechanized brigade tried to establish themselves near Kotlyarovka, but they also retreated with losses. During the day, the enemy lost about 50 men and 10 armored personnel carriers in the Kupyansk area.

    In the Liman-Svatovo sector, Ukrainian formations are accumulating forces to attack in the direction of Kremennaya. A large consolidated group of several battalions of the Ukrainian army and territorial defense has been formed in Ternov.

    Address of Soledar_

    There are no significant changes on the front line, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces are preparing for a Russian offensive in Bakhmut (Artemivsk).

    Address Donetsk:

    Ukrainian formations once again shelled Donetsk, Yasinovataya, Gorlovka, Makeyevka and other surrounding settlements, after several days without shelling.

    Address Zaporozhe:

    In the Zaporozhye region, the enemy is preparing for a large-scale offensive along the entire front line. The parties are engaged in artillery duels on the line of contact: the Russian Armed Forces launched several attacks on Ukrainian installations in Zaporozhe.

    Southern Front: Nikolayev-Beryslav direction

    Staff turnover is underway in the Posad-Pokrovskiy district on Zara and Lyubomirovka. In the same Posad-Pokrovsky the enemy placed warehouses with ammunition.

    In the Andreyevka bridgehead sector the enemy units tried to entrench themselves 3 kilometers north of Ishchenko, but fell under Russian artillery fire and retreated to Davydov Brod. Enemy aircraft also attacked in the area of Borozenskoye and Bezvodnoye.

    In the Stanislav sector, the personnel of the 60th Brigade of the Ukrainian army on the Novogrigoryevka-Novaya Kamenka line are preparing for an attack on Russian positions.

    Russian units captured several enemy soldiers during a reconnaissance operation near Sukhoi Stavka.

    Miscellaneous reports

    Military Chronicle Telegram @milchronic

    Donetsk sector



    Advance on the Donetsk front. Ukrainazis are losing ground near Nevelsky.

    A unit of the 100th brigade of the DNR advanced in the direction of Avdeyevka. Fierce fighting was fought with the use of heavy weapons - grenade launchers, incendiary rocket launchers and other means of destroying the enemy. The artillery provided significant support. Thanks to coordinated joint actions, the assault groups managed to break into the defense.

    The enemy defensive line was built according to all the rules of fortification: fortified emplacements, communication trenches and shelters with three layers of logs. The enemy did not neglect camouflage, masterfully hiding his location in the forest plantations. Despite serious preparations, the enemy fled, leaving behind the wounded, the dead and ammunition. The offensive continues, the front line is moving away from Donetsk.



    Assault of Artemovsk by the Wagner group



    On October 13, it became known that Wagner's fighters drove the Ukrainian Forces out of Ivangrad, near Bakhmut (Artemovsk), and occupied the defensive lines built by the enemy there. At the same time, there are battles for the village of Opytne (note: do not confuse with another population in the Donetsk airport sector).

    The village of Opytne is in the hands of a battalion of the 58th Motorized Infantry Brigade. Now the Ukrainian army is taking up positions in the area of the School of Arts on Kievskaya Street. At the same time, the unit lost up to a third of its personnel.

    In addition, the 125th Territorial Defense Brigade e is entrenched in the cemetery area in Bakhmut, suffers heavy losses from fire. Judging by the radio intercepts, there are foreign mercenaries in the possessions.

    The rapid advance of the Wagner fighters allowed them to break into the Ukrainian positions near the Bakhmut dam and Sosyura Street. In anticipation of the collapse of the front, the Ukrainian army is bringing reserves. Additional forces of the 26th Artillery Brigade were deployed in the kindergarten area of Bakhmut and the village of Yagodnoye (15 km from the Russian positions).

    The 25th, 79th and 81st airmobile brigades of Ukraine defending Bakhmut are also severely depleted and are experiencing a shortage of medical supplies: they are running out of anti-shock and hemostatic drugs.



    Ukrainian reservations in Artyomovsk (Bakhmut)

    Reporting by Slavyangrad - Gleb Bazov

    The reserves that they have brought to Bakhmut are from such inexperienced troops that they had to be trained "on the fly". An improvised barracks and a shooting range were set up on a fishing pier near stake 8 (in the village of Khromovo), on the southwestern outskirts of Artemovsk. The level of readiness of enemy reinforcements leaves much to be desired.

    Ukrainian forces operating near Bakhmut today:

    The 58th Mechanized Brigade, named after the Hetman (ataman) Ivan Vygovskiy (from Konotop, in the Sumy region), was once considered the most combat-ready unit of the Ukrainian army. The unit, rebuilt with novice soldiers has suffered many defections.

    The 125th "Lvovskaya" Territorial Defense Brigade has been bled, replacements for covering casualties are being instructed on an accelerated program in fortified areas outside the city.

    The 26th Artillery Brigade (from Berdichev), part of the 8th Ukrainian Army, has only 40% of its personnel.

    The 25th Airborne Assault Brigade (from Novomoskovsk) was destroyed near Novobakhmutovka and has been rebuilt with reservists.

    The 79th Airborne Assault Brigade (from Nikolayev) was destroyed in Soledar, suffering up to 80% casualties, and has been rebuilt with mercenaries from Poland, Romania, Britain and the USA.

    The 81st Airborne Assault Brigade (from Druzhkovka) is now the most combat-ready Ukrainian unit of all those listed above. It was damaged by the Russian attacks on the village of Nikolayevka. He took part in fighting near Krasny Liman.

    Right Sector barrier detachment

    About 200 Nazis from the Right Sector were transferred to Artemovsk. Their task is to restore the lost position and prevent the abandonment of positions and the flight of units of the 93rd Mechanized Brigade.

    My comment from about the fighting on the Luhansk front

    The situation in the last two weeks after the fall of Krasny Liman on September 30 is better than expected. The Ukrainian forces had, as expected, logistical problems to fuel the battle and literally to feed their troops on the other side of the Oskol River, although the river line has been lost, and specifically the obstacle that the reservoir represented, the Russians today still retain positions east of Kupyansk which allows to have the bridge under artillery fire, which limits the flow of troops and supplies to the passage through two bridges: the provisional bridge south of the Oskol, where the dam destroyed, and I guess the Borovaya, as well as pontoon bridges over the ford south of Kupyansk.

    The casualties suffered in the battle for Krasny Liman and in the fighting in the rest of the points where the Oskol and Seversky Donetsk rivers were forced to pass must have been considerable, going from 10,000 or 25% of the force that began the Balakleya-Izyum-Lyman offensive, this, with the disorganization and supply difficulties, in addition to the devastating loss of command and control communications when the communication of the Star Link satellites failed, due to Russian interference or another reason, have prevented the Ukrainian army could take advantage of its numerical advantage, at least 4 to 1, maintained despite the casualties thanks to the arrival of reserves from Kharkov and Kiev. They could not prevent the retreat of the defenders of Krasny Liman or attack the new Russian line before it became solid. They have not yet managed to drive the Russians out of the vicinity of Kupyansk, and have even lost some ground in Russian counterattacks towards Liman.

    On the negative side, the Ukrainians have in this sector a good number of artillery pieces. It is the only sector, apart from the central front, where Rybar in his report of shelling on the night of October 12-13 mentions intense shelling by the Ukrainian side along the entire front, answered by the Russians.

    Fortunately, the Ukrainians wasted a large part of their heavy artillery rockets and missiles in a futile attempt of retaliatory bombing against the city Belgorod, in a single day a hundred missiles and rockets were shot down by the anti-aircraft defense..

    Meanwhile reinforcements have arrived and precious time has been gained to form a second line of defense on the Zherebets River, approximately the Kupyansk-Svatovo-Kremenaya -Severodonetsk line.

    With the use of engineers' machines, pits reinforced with "dragon's teeth", concrete tetrahedra, anti-tank obstacle, and undoubtedly minefields have been dug along this line.

    They are not insurmountable obstacles, of course, but it prevents the Ukrainians from repeating their maneuvers during the offensive, from taking advantage of their numerical superiority to surround the islets or hedgehogs of resistance and look for poorly defended areas through which to advance and penetrate to the rear with their light armored vehicles and pickup trucks.

    South of the Seversky Donets River the situation remains worrying. Despite strong counterattacks, it has not been possible to recover the ruins of Spornoye, because the enemy does not stop sending reinforcements, it seems that the position has had to change hands a couple of times, and the Ukrainians are still pressing at this point towards the Lysichansk oil refinery, when writing this report there was fierce fighting in this sector of the city.

    https://www.1tv.ru/news/2022-10-13/439563-soyuznye_sily_dayut_otpor_ukrainskim_boevikam_pod_lisichanskom

    Finding:

    North Front:

    stabilized after the fall of Liman and consolidated the second line, despite the fact that the enemy is making a great effort albeit late to renew the offensive.

    Donbass salient:

    the siege of Artemovsk continues, where the two bastions that protected it from the south have already fallen. On the negative, the enemy attacks towards Lisichansk and no matter how many times Maryinka changes hands, the enemy always manages to retain part of the ruins.

    Central Front:

    A third and the most important major offensive is expected to try to capture the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, which is even more important for the Kiev regime now after the attacks on the power grid.

    The attacks on the northern and southern fronts are secondary. I am talking about a third offensive because the first in Kherson was a failure, not counting the Russian withdrawal in the Krivoy Rog sector, the second in Kharkov (Balakleya-Izyum) was a more apparent than real success. The Ukrainian army has managed to gain some ground at the cost of thirty thousand casualties but no tactical or strategic objectives.

    South Front:

    The crisis produced in the Krivoy Rog sector has stabilized after the shortening of the front. It is even managed to maintain fire control over the crucial Davidov Ford. In Kherson, civilians are being evacuated from the city in order to avoid casualties and alleviate supply problems. The reinforcements of the first mobilized arrive.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Thu Oct 13, 2022 11:02 pm

    RF Lancet kamikaze drones on Ukrainian troops


    Failed attack of Ukrainian troops at Davydov Ford on October 9


    RF artillery engages Ukrainian M777 battery


    Ukrainians keep returning to destroyed gas station to be re-engaged by allied troops


    ^ location seems fammiliar?. because it is.
    Yes, let that sink in how many Ukrainians died defending that indefensible position.
    earlier:

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    Post  kvs Thu Oct 13, 2022 11:18 pm

    The lancet drone explosions look weak to me. They are accurate but need more energy intense (not heavier) explosive. Maybe
    some nanoparticle "catalyst" explosives could be used to increase the explosive yield.
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    Post  calripson Fri Oct 14, 2022 12:03 am

    kvs wrote:The lancet drone explosions look weak to me.   They are accurate but need more energy intense (not heavier) explosive.   Maybe
    some nanoparticle "catalyst" explosives could be used to increase the explosive yield.  

    Explosions look weak with enemy personnel surviving the attacks and the speed of the drone is slow, coupled with its shape this allows for early recognition and evasion on the part of enemy personnel. Several hits also seem to be wide of the mark. Frankly, it looks distinctly inferior to the Iranian drones being used.

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    Post  kvs Fri Oct 14, 2022 12:10 am

    calripson wrote:
    kvs wrote:The lancet drone explosions look weak to me.   They are accurate but need more energy intense (not heavier) explosive.   Maybe
    some nanoparticle "catalyst" explosives could be used to increase the explosive yield.  

    Explosions look weak with enemy personnel surviving the attacks and the speed of the drone is slow, coupled with its shape this allows for early recognition and evasion on the part of enemy personnel. Several hits also seem to be wide of the mark. Frankly, it looks distinctly inferior to the Iranian drones being used.

    That is clear, the Iranian drones have dart shapes optimized for diving. These lancet drones are regular RC aircraft which are slow. I am not
    impressed with the designers. If it is intended as a suicide drone and not just repurposed, then they need to design it accordingly.

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    Post  Regular Fri Oct 14, 2022 1:11 am

    kvs wrote:The lancet drone explosions look weak to me.   They are accurate but need more energy intense (not heavier) explosive.   Maybe
    some nanoparticle "catalyst" explosives could be used to increase the explosive yield.  

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    They changed the warhead. HEAT always looks weak due to the nature of shaped charhe. But now tanks are not safe. Roof hits are very easily achievable with this drone.

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    Post  diabetus Fri Oct 14, 2022 1:13 am

    calripson wrote:
    kvs wrote:The lancet drone explosions look weak to me.   They are accurate but need more energy intense (not heavier) explosive.   Maybe
    some nanoparticle "catalyst" explosives could be used to increase the explosive yield.  

    Explosions look weak with enemy personnel surviving the attacks and the speed of the drone is slow, coupled with its shape this allows for early recognition and evasion on the part of enemy personnel. Several hits also seem to be wide of the mark. Frankly, it looks distinctly inferior to the Iranian drones being used.

    It's also much, much smaller than geran

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Oct 14, 2022 1:17 am

    One step forward and Little Zelly will be in the same place as his "nation" - in the shitter. Razz

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    Post  Regular Fri Oct 14, 2022 1:19 am

    calripson wrote:

    Explosions look weak with enemy personnel surviving the attacks and the speed of the drone is slow, coupled with its shape this allows for early recognition and evasion on the part of enemy personnel. Several hits also seem to be wide of the mark. Frankly, it looks distinctly inferior to the Iranian drones being used.

    Sorry, what Iranian drones are we talking? Geran-2 wouldn’t be able to hit moving targets and it’s not as handy for soldiers to carry as Lancet 1/2/3. It has also has different purpose. In artillery terms, you are comparing infantry mortar to a howitzer.

    Lancet is used by SF and been used in many scenarios that they already came up with different versions. HEAT Lancet can clearly take out the tank and armoured vehicles. Even the name checks out. Small needle.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Oct 14, 2022 1:41 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:Who knows, maybe there will be a "Surovikin" class of aircraft carriers, cruisers or destroyers in the future.
    Time and his actions will tell..
    He seems kind... Laughing  Laughing

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    It takes a period of time for an officer upon assuming a post to even accustom himself to the new responsibilities and requirements, get acquainted with direct subordinates and superiors, and catch up on his paperwork.

    Much less draw up a whole operation together with his staff.

    Whatever's happening right now would have happened anyway, Surovikin or no Surovikin; it has been planned well ahead of time

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    Post  mnztr Fri Oct 14, 2022 1:44 am

    Airbornewolf wrote:
    ^ location seems fammiliar?. because it is.
    Yes, let that sink in how many Ukrainians died defending that indefensible position.
    earlier:


    I see a lot of Ukrainians being allowed to get away and one gun was left undamaged. Why would you not inflict maximum damage? Those guys are coming back tomorrow to try and kill you.
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Oct 14, 2022 1:49 am

    billybatts91 wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:
    billybatts91 wrote:More bs, wtf?

    Are you an imbecile?

    Why are you acting like everything is going great? The fact that some people would even believe this is a testament to how badly Russia has done thus far.

    The objection of people here to your posts has got nothing to do with how well the war is going or not, according to yourself, the guy who registered here the day before the war broke out

    And everything to do with them being news-bites from NATO-affiliated media, which is engaged in such an assembly shit-line of BS that even if they said something true or factual, it's useless to us as we wouldn't know which it is.
    Therefore there is actually no sense in reprinting anything from them. Who needs it?

    If you have an opinion about how things are not going great, or not according to plan, then please do elaborate in your own words about just what the plan is instead of reprinting things from Medusa or anyone suspicious like that.

    Personally, I believe the war hasn't gone to anyone's plan on either side, and that everyone's assumptions had turned out to be wrong.
    But that's to be expected, no plan survives the first day of battle or what is it.
    And posting here obvious nonsense about 90k casualties; probably more than half the amount of Russian troops in total that have even been involved over the last 6 months in the operation - is callous in regards to people here's time spent on debunking it. You could have debunked it yourself before you even posted it with a little critical thinking. Nor are casualties an indicator about how well or badly things are going. It's war. You'll get casualties, you'll have things destroyed, or not go to plan. That goes as much or more so for the enemy as well.


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    Post  mnztr Fri Oct 14, 2022 1:51 am

    ALAMO wrote:
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    diabetus wrote:Would an air launched Geran variant make sense?

    far to draggy imho. Unless you were launching them out of a cargo plane.

    That piece of cardboard with a lawnmower engine flies 2000 km.
    What would be a reasonable reason to release it from air?
    Other than trolling?

    The good thing about releasing it form the air would be you can have them loiter until assigned a target. Just dump 25 out of a plane and have them near the battlefield as targets are called in. (assuming they can be targeted remotely.) Plus they would have that extra 30-40l of fuel to add to the fun when they hit.
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    Post  ucmvulcan Fri Oct 14, 2022 2:26 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    The objection of people here to your posts has got nothing to do with how well the war is going or not, according to yourself, the guy who registered here the day before the war broke out

    And everything to do with them being news-bites from NATO-affiliated media, which is engaged in such an assembly shit-line of BS that even if they said something true or factual, it's useless to us as we wouldn't know which it is.
    Therefore there is actually no sense in reprinting anything from them.
    And all you're doing is reposting infowar and psy-ops. Who needs it?

    If you have an opinion about how things are not going great, or not according to plan, then please do elaborate in your own words about just what the plan is instead of reprinting things from Medusa or anyone suspicious like that.

    Personally, I believe the war hasn't gone to anyone's plan on either side, and that everyone's assumptions had turned out to be wrong.
    But that's to be expected, no plan survives the first day of battle or what is it.
    And posting here obvious nonsense about 90k casualties; probably more than half the amount of Russian troops in total that have even been involved over the last 6 months in the operation - is callous in regards to people's time spent on debunking it is. You could have debunked it yourself before you even posted it with a little critical thinking. Nor are casualties an indicator about how well or badly things are going. It's war. You'll get casualties, you'll have things destroyed, or not go to plan. That goes as much or more so for the enemy as well.

    As we say in America, "winner winner, chicken dinner." Seriously, most of those who come from the west are on here because the news media here is so biased its bordering on propaganda. If I wanted to read pro Western stuff I'd just turn on the tv and read the top stories on google. I came here to get the Russian side of the story and I am generally sympathetic to Russia because our foreign policy is a such a nightmare of a shitshow and because I love Russia's language, history, literature, ballet, and film. From studying Russia's history I am painfully aware of how similar NATO in Ukraine looks to the situation in 1812 and 1941. Hell, some of the wording of the western propaganda machine looks like something right out of those wars.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Oct 14, 2022 12:10 pm

    And how exactly will Russian aircraft use terrain bounce jamming?

    Easy... the way their Bears have been designed to do for the last half century... a narrow radar beam directed at the ground in the general direction of the incoming missile... it reflects off the ground and the incoming missile detects it as the source of the jamming signal energy and flys towards it in home on jam mode.

    To be able to use terrain bounce jamming, they'll need to fly very close to the ground.

    Why do you think that?

    Consequently, they'll be super vulnerable to MANPADS. And as you can see, Russia did lose aircraft to MANPADS.

    Most of their helicopters have DIRCMS which seem to work against MANPADS...

    The problem with the Russian T-80s is the gas turbine engine.  Mighty powerful, but thirsty as hell, hard/impossible to repair under field conditions, and just generally overkill.

    Which is actually a good thing in the far north and far east and for naval forces that sort of fuel is easily available and support not a problem.

    The core problem is the autoloader that has the propellent stubs vertically stacked and seriously vulnerable to any penetration.

    I realize Kremlin wanted to avoid collateral damage and therefore refrained from NATO style invasion of Ukraine. But even then this bombing campaign with Iranian drones and Kalibre missiles is what Kremlin should have been doing during the opening phase of the campaign

    The Iranian drones are big and noisy and should not be too hard to shoot down with MANPADS, but I rather suspect the anti MANPADS equipment on Russian helicopters have led to the Orcs thinking Stingers are junk and probably not protecting them when they move around leading to lots being captured or just left behind.

    Plus target information doesn't just fall from the sky... they will have lots of recon forces behind enemy lines as well as experts analysing signals information to work out where HQs and comms centres and ammo and fuel and weapon dumps are located as well as other targets that need to be hit and such data has a shelf life too.

    Would an air launched Geran variant make sense?

    Their flight range makes that pretty redundant doesn't it?

    More bs, wtf?

    The answer is in the message....  
    says - Ukrainska Pravda

    Why are you acting like everything is going great? The fact that some people would even believe this is a testament to how badly Russia has done thus far.

    You are quoting enemy propaganda directly from enemy propaganda sources... what response are you expecting?

    Thats a good metaphor for the Ukraine as a nation... They have taken their legacy as argueably the most developed part of the old USSR and just neglected it for 30+ years while they allowed Oligarchs to steal everything and terminally mismanage the rest.

    Not to mention they have no electricity so they are going to burn up their diesel supplies pulling empty trams around cities... excellent use of resources there...

    The lancet drone explosions look weak to me. They are accurate but need more energy intense (not heavier) explosive. Maybe
    some nanoparticle "catalyst" explosives could be used to increase the explosive yield.

    Was thinking that myself... with a more vertical attack scheme I think a HEAT charge would be more effective against thinner top armour and also the fragmentation pattern would be more effective too... perhaps an extra HE FRAG warhead in the tail to balance it a bit?

    Perhaps the drone that watches the attacks could watch where the enemy troops run to and drop some of those custom designed fragmentation bombs that looked like they were made from 40mm grenades but longer and with plastic tail fins to get the troops where they run to take cover.

    Explosions look weak with enemy personnel surviving the attacks and the speed of the drone is slow, coupled with its shape this allows for early recognition and evasion on the part of enemy personnel. Several hits also seem to be wide of the mark. Frankly, it looks distinctly inferior to the Iranian drones being used.

    Making them bright white also makes them easier to spot...

    That is clear, the Iranian drones have dart shapes optimized for diving. These lancet drones are regular RC aircraft which are slow. I am not
    impressed with the designers. If it is intended as a suicide drone and not just repurposed, then they need to design it accordingly.

    Actually its shape and layout looks like a western ATGM and the wings are designed to fold away into a tube for launch and transport, but I agree too big and too slow and too white for the payload delivered.

    It's also much, much smaller than geran

    All the videos show it being directed at vehicles so it is clearly an anti vehicle weapon rather than an anti personel weapon so we should not be too harsh.

    Limiting their mobility with winter coming makes sense.

    I just think a lick of blue or green paint would not hurt.

    They changed the warhead. HEAT always looks weak due to the nature of shaped charhe. But now tanks are not safe. Roof hits are very easily achievable with this drone.

    I don't like the shallow dive attack modes, but then their previous suicide drone dived vertically on the targets which would be difficult with the large wing area with side winds making good hits from a vertical dive more difficult.

    Perhaps what they need is higher speed engines and a vertical dive drone with smaller wings that moves faster...

    They have lots of data generating all the time to perfect its design I suppose.

    The good thing about releasing it form the air would be you can have them loiter until assigned a target. Just dump 25 out of a plane and have them near the battlefield as targets are called in. (assuming they can be targeted remotely.) Plus they would have that extra 30-40l of fuel to add to the fun when they hit.

    They are designed to hit fixed targets... what advantage would loitering about the place give?

    These things are not small so the only planes that could carry them in any decent numbers would be transport aircraft... why would you want them loitering near enemy airspace?

    What you are suggesting it like suggesting delivering Calibre missiles from fighter jets instead of subs or trucks... those missiles can already fly 2,500km range plus, what advantage is there to risking an aircraft getting closer to enemy air space when you can let the missile (or drone) penetrate the airspace at low altitude with a much smaller RCS than any transport plane.

    HATO radar will have more trouble tracking cruise missiles and drones than it will tracking transport planes from HATO airspace.

    From studying Russia's history I am painfully aware of how similar NATO in Ukraine looks to the situation in 1812 and 1941. Hell, some of the wording of the western propaganda machine looks like something right out of those wars.

    Yes, I am getting Deja vue too... I mean it was just over 100 years ago that WWI happened and it was now in the early 20s that the countries in the Middle East were created... Royal families decided on in London and Paris to set up and rule these new made up countries in the middle east... the borders of which were decided based on known oil resources and Britain and France squabbling over territory Germany used to occupy... not just in the middle east but around the world... for instance American Samoa used to be German Samoa... and it didn't end there.

    Look at Kosovo and South Ossetia and Abkhazia and Nagorno Karabakh and Transnitria and now Ukraine with Crimea and these four new Russian regions with likely more to come.

    100 years on and the map is being changed again... changes made to Germany and Russia/the Soviet Union that led to the rise of Adolph Hitler and WWII... but also the collapse of the world economy in the 1930s... the great depression... because the world economy didn't work then either...

    What does the future hold?

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