Russian special military operation in Ukraine #26

Sure, but there were a lot of specificities there on the ground.
Plus it was 1/3rd of a conventional bomb run the Allies performed in Dresden or Hamburg.
I visited both, the Germans struggled to put some povder on the scarves, but you can see it to this very day.

Hiroshima = ONE bomb.
Dresden = thousands relentlessly.

calripson wrote:

As far as Russians showing Chechens "their place" - congratulations, you suppressed a population 140 times smaller than yours after 7 years of fighting and not easily.

Then there's nothing to be said of Afghanistan and Iraq

Lol - don't talk so fast Yankee

And also, might I remind you who Ukraine is?

Right, let us not draw comparisons,

The entire USAF against s125... and S75 Dvina...

Some Russian air regiments against s300 and buk

I will stop there

ALAMO wrote:

Mir wrote:

Sure, but there were a lot of specificities there on the ground.
Plus it was 1/3rd of a conventional bomb run the Allies performed in Dresden or Hamburg.
I visited both, the Germans struggled to put some povder on the scarves, but you can see it to this very day.

Hiroshima = ONE bomb.
Dresden = thousands relentlessly.

It is a matter of technology only bro.
The effect was deliberately scaled to all of them, by the humane Anglosaxons.

Do not forget the ultra-humane Germans:


http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/460/land-zamosc-zamojszczyzna-1942-1944

Arkanghelsk wrote:I will stop there

In addition, the comparison between the US fighting Iraq and Russia fighting Ukraine is really nonexistent.

Ukraine is supported by NATO with modern equipment incl. manpads and javelins, army training, western mercenaries (e.g. blackrock), satellite imagery, high altitude UAV's. We have already seen the hourly reports coming from US with exact locations of Russian troops. I have no doubt there is a dedicated operations room in the Pentagon where teams of strategists are working around the clock working on strategy and troop movement. The US is involved deeply and most probably actually running the show while Zelinsky is a fundraiser for the military industrial complex.

Iraq had none of that. A few Toyotas with guns and outdated material what was left after Desert Storm 1 was finished. Still the US lost over 4.500 people, and Iraqi civilian casualties ended up around 250k

famschopman wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:I will stop there

In addition, the comparison between the US fighting Iraq and Russia fighting Ukraine is really nonexistent.

Ukraine is supported by NATO with modern equipment incl. manpads and javelins, army training, western mercenaries (e.g. blackrock), satellite imagery, high altitude UAV's. We have already seen the hourly reports coming from US with exact locations of Russian troops. I have no doubt there is a dedicated operations room in the Pentagon where teams of strategists are working around the clock working on strategy and troop movement. The US is involved deeply and most probably actually running the show while Zelinsky is a fundraiser for the military industrial complex.

Iraq had none of that. A few Toyotas with guns and outdated material what was left after Desert Storm 1 was finished. Still the US lost over 4.500 people, and Iraqi civilian casualties ended up around 250k

I don't consider NATO support to be at all taken into consideration when estimating Ukrainian strength

Ukraine is what it is, due to its soviet doctrines and weaponry

HIMARS, M777 and all those weapons as well as TB2 had no effect in the war whatsoever

The biggest impact was done by mines, Neptun (kh35), car bombs, human wave attacks, and other such tactics

And Russian own neglect of battles

I don't have esteem for NATO in slightest

billybatts91 wrote:I hope this is true...

https://twitter.com/WarfareReports/status/1575526579069157377

It needs to be true.. as the only way to keep the occupied territory safe.. is.. advance and occupy enemy positions. Russia must advance.

retaking Kharkov and taking Sumy will ensure some "safe zone" where Himars and maybe Tochka cannot reach Russian territory. giving people in Belgorod, Kursk and Voronezh some well deserved rest. Fully liberating Donetsk will keep Ukrainian or most of them at least from Rostov on Don. and taking Odessa and Nikolaev ensures sea dominance.. Russian navy ship no longer need to fear shore based missiles. and snake island can finally be used as proper base for air defense.

This is not good news in regards to Lyman sigh....

billybatts91 wrote:This is not good news in regards to Lyman sigh....

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1575570815013498880

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1575570839541796870

https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1575570842863669248

The Russians are staging a movie about how a group of soldiers barely held Lyman when the reinforcements arrived later tommorow I hope. Like hill 3234 or height 776 got to make an epic last stand.

^ Situation is worse than the above graphics. Ukrainians broke through in the Stavkov area and cut off Drobyshevo: https://t.me/Slavyangrad/11040 The cauldron is fully set now.

U.S hitting back against countries that refused to join the anti Russia axis.

Indians will have to wait 800 + days to get a US visa. Corresponding wait period for Chinese .... 2 days.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/us-visa-appointment-wait-time-the-shocking-difference-for-indians-3387535

Sujoy wrote:U.S hitting back against countries that refused to join the anti Russia axis.

Indians will have to wait 800 + days to get a US visa. Corresponding wait period for Chinese .... 2 days.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/us-visa-appointment-wait-time-the-shocking-difference-for-indians-3387535

But China didn't join the Anti Russian sanctions. Actually, they support Russia significantly.

Sujoy wrote:U.S hitting back against countries that refused to join the anti Russia axis.

Indians will have to wait 800 + days to get a US visa. Corresponding wait period for Chinese .... 2 days.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/us-visa-appointment-wait-time-the-shocking-difference-for-indians-3387535

That's simply due to volume. Huge amount of visa fraud among Indians, plus millions waiting to come in on non-immigrant visas and stay. Here in Indonesia the wait time is 43 days for a visitor visa, 3 days for a student visa, and we just invited Putin to Bali.

So I guess K. Lyman will be surrounded.

limb wrote:So I guess K. Lyman will be surrounded.

It is surrounded. But certainly the Russian command has a plan in place to relieve the defenders.

The press of Ukraine writes that at a meeting of the National Security and Defense Council, Zelensky may announce his withdrawal from the Budapest Memorandum with the rejection of non-nuclear status

https://en.topwar.ru/202595-ukrainskaja-pressa-pishet-o-tom-chto-na-zasedanii-snbo-zelenskij-mozhet-objavit-o-vyhode-strany-iz-budapeshtskogo-memoranduma-s-otkazom-ot-bezjadernogo-statusa.html

Anglo maniacs do not accept anything else than surrender, they may learn that Russia does not accept anything different than sovereignty. The meaning of those talks about "striking decision centers" becomes clear now.

Full list of latest US gifts, in case it wasn't already put up. Note no artillery ammo but more logistics trucks inc 40 tank etc transporters for the first time, wonder what for.


Items in the $1.1 billion package include:

18 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) and associated ammunition
150 Armored High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWVs)
150 Tactical Vehicles to tow weapons
40 trucks and 80 trailers to transport heavy equipment
Two radars for Unmanned Aerial Systems
20 multi-mission radars
Counter-Unmanned Aerial Systems
Tactical secure communications systems, surveillance systems, and optics
Explosive ordnance disposal equipment
Body armor and other field equipment
Funding for training, maintenance, and sustainment

nothing much in today's briefing, Krasny Liman is about to be surrounded, but who knows?

https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/09/29/parte-de-guerra-29-09-2022-el-cerco-de-krasny-liman-se-estrecha/

LMFS wrote:The press of Ukraine writes that at a meeting of the National Security and Defense Council, Zelensky may announce his withdrawal from the Budapest Memorandum with the rejection of non-nuclear status

https://en.topwar.ru/202595-ukrainskaja-pressa-pishet-o-tom-chto-na-zasedanii-snbo-zelenskij-mozhet-objavit-o-vyhode-strany-iz-budapeshtskogo-memoranduma-s-otkazom-ot-bezjadernogo-statusa.html

Anglo maniacs do not accept anything else than surrender, they may learn that Russia does not accept anything different than sovereignty. The meaning of those talks about "striking decision centers" becomes clear now.

He must be doing that on US advice to wind up the Russians. But World opinion won't like Ukraine trying to become a nuke state.

Maybe this is what all the shouting about Russians using nukes was leading up to.

LMFS wrote:The press of Ukraine writes that at a meeting of the National Security and Defense Council, Zelensky may announce his withdrawal from the Budapest Memorandum with the rejection of non-nuclear status

https://en.topwar.ru/202595-ukrainskaja-pressa-pishet-o-tom-chto-na-zasedanii-snbo-zelenskij-mozhet-objavit-o-vyhode-strany-iz-budapeshtskogo-memoranduma-s-otkazom-ot-bezjadernogo-statusa.html

Anglo maniacs do not accept anything else than surrender, they may learn that Russia does not accept anything different than sovereignty. The meaning of those talks about "striking decision centers" becomes clear now.

US absolutely wants to goad Russia into the use of tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine.

Time will tell if Putin and co fall into the trap.

JohninMK wrote:Full list of latest US gifts, in case it wasn't already put up. Note no artillery ammo but more logistics trucks inc 40 tank etc transporters for the first time, wonder what for.


Items in the $1.1 billion package include:

   18 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) and associated ammunition
   150 Armored High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWVs)
   150 Tactical Vehicles to tow weapons
   40 trucks and 80 trailers to transport heavy equipment
   Two radars for Unmanned Aerial Systems
   20 multi-mission radars
   Counter-Unmanned Aerial Systems
   Tactical secure communications systems, surveillance systems, and optics
   Explosive ordnance disposal equipment
   Body armor and other field equipment
   Funding for training, maintenance, and sustainment

The US spends $750 billion per year on pure defense spending, that doesn't include spending on forever wars, which is another few hundred billion per year. $100b in 6 months is nothing. Funding to Ukraine will amount to $200-300b per year over the next 3 years, without a doubt.

JohninMK wrote:Full list of latest US gifts, in case it wasn't already put up. Note no artillery ammo but more logistics trucks inc 40 tank etc transporters for the first time, wonder what for.


Items in the $1.1 billion package include:

   18 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) and associated ammunition
   150 Armored High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWVs)
   150 Tactical Vehicles to tow weapons
   40 trucks and 80 trailers to transport heavy equipment
   Two radars for Unmanned Aerial Systems
   20 multi-mission radars
   Counter-Unmanned Aerial Systems
   Tactical secure communications systems, surveillance systems, and optics
   Explosive ordnance disposal equipment
   Body armor and other field equipment
   Funding for training, maintenance, and sustainment

I've seen that HIMARS will not be delivered from US army inventories, but it needs to be produced. That's, at least, few months delay.