Russian special military operation in Ukraine #26

Ned86 wrote:

Btw, any thoughts how many Su-30 and Su-34 were lost so far?
Acc. to Oryx which is famous to exaggerate thing it is about 11 su-30sm and 13 su-34.

Those figures are all bogus but what's far more important is how many Su-27, Mig-29 and Su-25's the Ukrs have lost as both the Su-30 and Su-34's are still in production.

The trolls cry "Slava Ukraine!" when one Su-34 gets lost

Perhaps they should take note that war is about attrition. The Ukrs have lost 60 000 of their "best" warriors so far. Russia just increased aircraft production to near war time levels. It will take 18 years to replace one dead Ukr on the battlefield - ONE month to replace a Su-34 at most.

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* The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported the destruction of about 100 mercenaries by a missile attack in the Zaporozhye region
15 units of military equipment were also liquidated
About 100 mercenaries were destroyed by the Russian Armed Forces as a result of a missile attack in the Zaporozhye region. This was announced to journalists on Sunday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.
"Up to a hundred militants and 15 units of military equipment were eliminated by a missile attack on a temporary deployment point for foreign mercenaries near the city of Zaporozhye," Konashenkov said.




* Russian Defense Ministry: Aerospace Forces shot down two Ukrainian MiG-29 aircraft converted for US HARM missiles
As specified in department, it happened in areas of settlements of Novoukrainka and Bashtanka of the Nikolaev area
Fighters of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the Nikolaev region shot down two Ukrainian MiG-29 aircraft converted to use US HARM missiles. This was announced on Sunday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.
"Fighter aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the areas of the settlements of Novoukrainka and Bashtanka, Mykolaiv region, shot down two MiG-29 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force, converted to use American HARM anti-radar missiles," he said at a briefing on the progress of a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine.




* Russian Defense Ministry: Osa-AKM air defense missile launcher destroyed during counter-battery combat
During the counter-battery fight, the launcher of the Osa-AKM air defense missile system, an air defense radar were destroyed and an armored boat of the Gyurza type of the Ukrainian Navy was sunk - Russian Defense Ministry
The armed forces of the Russian Federation during the counter-battery fight destroyed the launcher of the Osa-AKM air defense system, the air defense radar station and sank an armored boat of the Gyurza type of the Ukrainian Navy. This was announced on Sunday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.
"The launcher of the Osa-AKM anti-aircraft missile system was destroyed in the area of ​​​​the settlement of Novoselovka, Zaporozhye region, two ammunition depots in the Antonovka and Andreevka regions of the Donetsk People's Republic, an air defense radar station in the Krasnoarmeysk region of the Donetsk People's Republic, and an armored boat of the Gyurza type was sunk "of the naval forces of Ukraine in the area of ​​the port of Ochakov," he said at a briefing on the progress of a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine.




* The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation announced the defeat of the MLRS HIMARS launcher of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Nikolaev region
The RF Armed Forces hit the launcher of the MLRS HIMARS of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Nikolaev region - RF Ministry of Defense.
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation hit a launcher of a multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) HIMARS of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) at a firing position near the village of Yavkino in the Nikolaev region. This was announced on Sunday by the official representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.
"In the area of ​​​​the settlement of Yavkino, Nikolaev region, a HIMARS MLRS launcher was hit at a firing position," Konashenkov said.




* Russian Defense Ministry announced three HARM missiles shot down in Kherson region and LPR
Russian air defense systems in the Kherson region and the LPR shot down three HARM anti-radar missiles - Russian Defense Ministry.
The official representative of the department, Igor Konashenkov, noted that since the beginning of the special military operation, Russian troops, in particular, destroyed 301 aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 155 helicopters, 2,074 unmanned aerial vehicles.




* Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Nikolaev-Krivoy Rog direction amounted to over 110 people
Losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Nikolaev-Krivoy Rog direction amounted to over 110 people killed and wounded per day - RF Ministry of Defense.

As a result of high-precision strikes by the Russian Aerospace Forces, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) amounted to more than 110 people killed and wounded per day in the Nikolaev-Krivoy Rog direction, and the enemy also lost 13 units of military equipment. This was announced on Sunday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.
"As a result of high-precision strikes by the Russian Aerospace Forces on permanent deployment points and a communication center of the 46th airmobile and 60th infantry brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Bezymennoye, Miroliubovka and Osokorovka in the Kherson region, up to 30 militants and five pieces of military equipment were destroyed. In just a day in the Nikolaev-Krivoy Rog direction, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to more than 110 people killed and wounded, as well as 13 units of military equipment," Konashenkov said.





* The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported 12 downed Ukrainian drones per day
Russian air defense systems shot down 12 Ukrainian drones in a day, also intercepted 18 HIMARS shells - Russian Defense Ministry.
Russian air defense systems shot down 12 Ukrainian drones in a day, and also intercepted 18 HIMARS shells in the area of ​​the special operation. This was announced to journalists on Sunday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.
"Intercepted in the air: 21 rocket launchers, including 18 HIMARS rockets in the areas of the settlements of Novaya Kakhovka in the Kherson region and Valeryanovka in the Donetsk People's Republic and three Alder rockets in the areas of the settlements of Guselskoye and Neskuchnoye in the Donetsk People's Republic" - said Konashenkov. According to the official representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense, a total of 12 drones were shot down in the areas of the settlements of Yasinovataya, Staromlinovka, Novotroitskoye, Kirillovka, Yegorovka of the Donetsk People's Republic, as well as Mayachka of the Zaporozhye region, Davydov Brod, Malokakhovka, Charivnoye and Mikhailovka in the Kherson region.




* The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported the interception of eight Ukrainian kamikaze drones over the ZNPP
The radiation situation at the station is normal, clarified in the Russian department
The armed forces of the Russian Federation prevented attempts by the Armed Forces of Ukraine to strike at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant with eight kamikaze drones. This was announced on Sunday by the official representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.




* Russian Defense Ministry: Aerospace Forces destroyed up to 50 militants with a strike on the AFU repair point in the Annovka area
The Russian Aerospace Forces killed up to 50 militants with a strike on the point of repair and restoration of equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Annovka area - Russian Defense Ministry.

Russian artillerymen thwarted the attempts of the offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the direction of Maryinka in the DPR. This was announced to journalists on Sunday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov. "Concentrated fire strikes by Russian artillery thwarted attempts by the 79th Air Assault Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the direction of the settlement of Marinka in the Donetsk People's Republic. The enemy's losses amounted to over 50 militants," Konashenkov said.
According to the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, up to 50 militants were also killed as a result of the strike of the Russian Aerospace Forces. "Up to 50 militants and 28 units of military equipment were destroyed by the strike of high-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces at the point of repair and restoration of equipment of the 72nd mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near the village of Annovka in the Donetsk People's Republic," he added.

ALAMO wrote:
No way !
An army of field marshalls second to the Guderian, Rommel, and Kutuzov only realized that planes can be shot down, when there is a war.
No kidding !  

Those named are in the past. The current flock of US/NATO commentariat and maybe actual leadership doesn't seem to understand the effect on their air dominance strategy of a decent IADS.

Perhaps not realising that the lessons the RuAF are learning up against the Ukrainian/NATO AD hybrid system are applicable to them in reverse.

Funny because Su-25s have all those, while the Fitters and Floggers had speed and flares.
Su-25s have landed with one engine taken out... something a Fitter and Flogger simply can't do.

Vast majority of Su-25s crashed after getting hit by MANPADs, and if they got back to base the airframe was unusable. The point isnt to limp home, but not to get hit. The Su-22M4 and MiG-27K had near equal or equal countermeasure suites and could fire guided weapons from safer ranges.

Btw Limb no Mig-27K's were used during the Soviet/Afghan War only the Mig-27D/M variants. Why? The Mig-27K was far more sophisticated than the other strike aircraft but it was unable to use it's laser designator at altitudes above 5000m (MANPADS safe zone). Also the mountainous area rendered missile strikes virtually useless and were forced to use dumb bombs and rockets.

The fact that the aircraft's own laser could perhaps not be effectively used above 5000m could perhaps suggest why Russian currently have resorted to low level strikes? A simple answer to the problem would be to get more drones in for target designation - without risking the aircraft and the pilot. This is something that should be addressed in the coming weeks.

The fact that the aircraft's own laser could perhaps not be effectively used above 5000m could perhaps suggest why Russian currently have resorted to low level strikes? A simple answer to the problem would be to get more drones in for target designation - without risking the aircraft and the pilot. This is something that should be addressed in the coming weeks.

Or they simply not buy the Laser guided KAB-500/100's but instead the EO variant and Satellite guided one and there arent many of them in production in the first place. And also the fact that Russians didnt buy the T-220 targeting pod which to allow lasing without the aircraft need to point its nose to the ground, particularly the Su-30SM types.

But yeah drone lasing for the guided bombs can work. Just like how they are quite successfull with Krasnopol so far.

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Now i realize a paradox here. The Russian ground forces doesnt seem to like Satellite guided weapon while VKS dont seem to like laser guided weapon, particularly of semi-active type (Vikhr is laser beamrider)

Guided bombs oblige you to fly a bit high and straight which makes you a good target even for manpads.

You can just launch anywhere you want and hope it will correct itself magically. You still need to launch it like a free fall bomb aiming at the target. The laser correction is very small.

How accurate is this analogy?

It is not.

The US invading Mexico for fun or profit really is not comparable to Russia stopping a genocide by Ukraine of Ukrainians living in eastern Ukraine, let alone threats of nuclear weapons and bio weapon labs actively bypassing international and western laws regarding testing on humans by doing it to Ukrainians which they clearly don't consider human.

Ill celebrate when a city of 30000 people (artemovsk) and a tiny hamlet(veselaya dolina) surrounded by concrete bunkers is liberated after 6 months.

But Russian soldiers would have died and Ukrainian civilians will have died and it will be all Putins fault...

Could care less what you will celebrate or not.

You propagate Kiev propaganda.

I find it hard to comprehend that Russia with its airforce, artillery , and now these drones has failed for days now to destroy the crossing and bridgehead that the Nazis have created near Liman.

Why destroy the path that brings the Orcs closer to Russian artillery range?

Ukrainians are claiming that theyre using latge amounts of quadcopters to visually detect Russia ln aircraft flying on the deck and they give warning to MANPAD teams. I already saw footage fr a Ukrainian drone in Kherson flying at around 300m observing a su-34 flying at ~40m and dropping bombs. Thats probably how they shot down the 2 sukhois(apparently the one with burning engine also crashed) and is concerning.

Key three words there.... Ukrainians are claiming...

They also say Russian soldiers are raping women and children and male prisoners.

Makes sense considering the video of su30 being downed was shot by enemy drone. I fail to see the reasoning behind risking su34 and su30 flying low on dumb bombing missions which exposes them to MANPADS and short range AA , if they have a shortage of smart munitions and stand off weapons why not use su24s instead

Both aircraft operate in low altitude high speed strike roles... that is their mission... high altitude is against third world countries that only have MANPADS.

If they used Su-24s you would be complaining they are using old shit... is the new stuff not good enough for the job...

Exactly. Im extremely frustrated that in this war, theyre not using Su-24M2s as much, since theyre more expendable. Also no targeting pods at all for su-30s.

Good, I am glad you are frustrated... the Su-30 and Su-34 and Su-24 in all versions have two crew members and are NOT expendable except in your fucked up head.

These planes are not using targeting pods because they are Russian planes and use radar and onboard EO systems to find and attack their targets... they don't need targeting pods.

They were much cheaper to replace, and in this war would be expendable even if upgraded.

You are worrying about the fucking cost?

The pilots are not expendable.

Vast majority of Su-25s crashed after getting hit by MANPADs, and if they got back to base the airframe was unusable.

Actually a majority actually limped home, while the single engined Fitters and Floggers did not after an engine hit because they only have the one engine each.

Vastly more importantly the Su-25s were slow enough to find targets and hit them, while the faster planes did not... meaning they risked getting shot down for no tangible return which is worse than useless.

The point isnt to limp home, but not to get hit. The Su-22M4 and MiG-27K had near equal or equal countermeasure suites and could fire guided weapons from safer ranges.

In the mountains of Afghanistan the faster planes couldn't find or couldn't reach their targets... the slower and more manouverable Su-25s could and did.

Why else was the Su-25 funded and put into service?

1. Afghanistan was COIN, this isn't.

Afghanistan was a war and when ground forces were held up the Su-25 was the best platform to get them moving again.

The vast majority of the time they used rockets and cannon and bombs directly on targets... guided and standoff weapons were not needed.

2. This isnt 1979. You don't use eyeballs to detect enemy troops, you use FLIR targeting pods, and the Su-22M4 and MiG-27 couldve been easily upgraded to carry them.

The Su-25SM3 has an EO targeting system built in to its nose and does not need external weapon pods.

Not when dropping dumb bombs from low altitude.

Yes it is. Flight speed, bomb capacity and diversity, flight range, night and all weather capability, radar performance... crew communication...

They're superior ina near peer conflict. Speed is important in this war. Su-22M4s and MiG-27s couldve been used to strike bridges on the dniepr or kremenchug without fear of attrition.

With decent air to ground weapon loads the MiG and the Sukhoi are slower than the Su-34.

The Su-22M4 and MiG-27 can do the same thing just as well. You're basically admitting the Su-25 doesnt do CAS in this war, loitering over the battlefield, but just does individual strikes.

The Su-25 does in this conflict what it does in every conflict... when enemy forces are bothering your ground forces Su-25s are sent in low and fast to hit the enemy ground forces with bombs and rockets and then they fly home.

This is what this war is. Drones wouldve been ideal, but russia doesnt have them in any meaningful numbers, until possibly now.

The cost of sending MiG-27Ks and Su-17M4s would not be cheaper than using cruise missiles...

The bridges still standing are standing for a reason... not a lack of capacity to hit them.

Btw, any thoughts how many Su-30 and Su-34 were lost so far?

So far we have the word of the Orcs any were lost today... why should anyone believe them?

How is the Su-34 more survivable when doing low altitude runs dropping dumb bombs right above the target compared to the Su-24M2? Its more survivable at high altitude, I agree.

The Su-34 is faster and has modern avionics including EW equipment.

The Su-34 is designed for low altitude penetration of enemy held airspace... the canards are there to reduce turbulence with that huge wing at low altitudes.

This is what russian aircraft with the SVP-24, for all its high technology, should easily do if they use dumb bombs, in order to evade SAMs. instead we see Su-34s flying right on top of their target like its 1943.

You do understand that flying very low and very fast is the only way to survive modern AD for very long?

The difference between now and 1943 is that the US would get 1,000 bombers each carrying 2-3 tons of bombs each and all fly to one German city and bomb that city trying to destroy a specific factory. Half the bombs dropped would land outside the city.... including hitting cities in other countries... the target was often completely missed and the bombers would have to reload and rearm and do it all again the next night and the next night for the best part of a month with no guarantee of even getting one bomb on the target factory, but losing hundreds of bombers and thousands of crew in the process.

These days the target is hit with two bombs from one aircraft on the first pass.

Come on, toss bombing is 1950s tactics possible with 1960s CCRP technology.

Toss bombing allows the delivery aircraft to keep some distance from the target, which is of no use unless the target is an AD system you are trying to hit.

Toss bombing was intended mostly for delivering nuclear weapons with the intention of getting the bomber as far away from the explosion as possible... tactical nukes and tactical jet bombers only... like the Buccanner for instance.

The whole point of flying very low is to evade enemy SAM systems.... doing a steep climb to release the ordinance puts you in vastly more danger than actually flying over the target because most SAMs nearby would detect you.

Your flight path to the target would have been planned to evade any obvious SAM systems.

The point is that no NATO country owns the AD system Ukros used to have half a year ago.
Didn't help them much ...

HATO does not realise that when they take the Ukraines position all their planes are not going to be very effective if they can't deal with the Russian IADS either.

The Ukrainian air defence has remained a threat... some people do not understand the difference between air superiority and air supremacy... air superiority means you can attack with missiles and aircraft including on the front line and deep behind enemy lines, but the enemy still has the capacity to damage you.

The west expects air supremacy like they had with the Taliban in Afghanistan, but they wont be able to achieve that in any way and the fact that their attack and defence is air power based, they are seriously going to struggle in combat with Russian forces... every attack and defence the west is going to haemorrhage aircraft... not to mention how much ready to use ordinance do they have... dispersing and hiding means effectively not being able to use properly and it becomes a token force like the Orc air force.

The fact that the aircraft's own laser could perhaps not be effectively used above 5000m could perhaps suggest why Russian currently have resorted to low level strikes? A simple answer to the problem would be to get more drones in for target designation - without risking the aircraft and the pilot. This is something that should be addressed in the coming weeks.

The laser target marker on the MiG-35 can be used against ground targets out to 30km so I suspect that altitude issue is no longer an issue.

Another problem of course is that in mountains the wind can be a problem and manouvering in mountains is dangerous at the best of times... the afghans often located their bases in places that were hard to get to and reach with aircraft weapons, which is another reason the slower and more manouverable Su-25 was superior... it could also use much shorter airstrips.

Now i realize a paradox here. The Russian ground forces doesnt seem to like Satellite guided weapon while VKS dont seem to like laser guided weapon, particularly of semi-active type (Vikhr is laser beamrider)

If their preference is based on experience then why don't you tell them they are wrong...

Guided bombs oblige you to fly a bit high and straight which makes you a good target even for manpads.

Guided bombs still flying like an aircraft and will not be pulling 9 g turns like some fighter plane to get into hard to reach places.

Most Soviet laser guided weapons are more laser assisted guided rather than laser guided.

They use automated systems for guidance where the target marker coordinates the attack with the carrier of the weapon... the carrier of the weapon aims at the target and tries to deliver it on target like a dumb weapon... if it is a free fall weapon normally 3 seconds before impact the laser turns on and illuminates the target and the free falling weapon manouvers to hit the target. With direct fire weapons like rockets or missiles it is normally 1 second before impact.... to minimise the chance of the enemy blowing smoke or moving behind cover when marked.

The point is that their artillery uses laser target markers for most of their gun fired guided rounds, so the drones they use to get hits could just as easily direct bombs from bombers too.

Normally when hitting ground targets with laser guided weapons one platform marks the target and the other platform delivers the ordinance.

In Desert Storm the Tornados were not able to mark their own targets so they had to use Buccs to mark the targets for them.

The Su-25SM3 has a nose mounted laser target marker that can allow an aircraft to self mark if needed.

Podlodka77 wrote:

Serberus, I would be worried if LIMB liked my comments..

I don’t really care who likes my comments, everything I said is based on events reported or confirmed by reputable Russian sources, I don’t blindly ignore **** ups and provide constructive  criticism where it’s warranted nothing more. I wish for Russia to smash these Nazis as much as any of you but I am also going to call out unnecessary losses, poor tactical decisions and holding back for ridiculous reasons.

Have a look at the events today, terrorist attack in Berdyansk and Melitopol bombing of civilian hotel in Kherson (former rada member confirmed dead) How many is that now? These fucks keep taking out civilian leaders who came over to Russian side, while the Nazi leadership is untouched because Russia refuses to take them out?  Why?… they should have been designated a terrorist state long ago and dismantled accordingly.

The Russians want the Nazis to dance in the Bolshoi ! I designed the lighting fixtures in Bolshoi , and I tell you , too much lighting on the Nazis and weight ,will make them collapse ! I was getting ready for a power outage in the UK , I have a plan to hunt wild English sheep , and eat them , use their hide for warmth and their fat for an oil lamp and go real retro on their Azz !

Why not turn old jet planes into drones ? Fly auto and save pilot lives ? Easily done . Plane carries 5 Tons . Enough to bust bunkers . Also logistics is done by mathematics of operational research methods . Invented in ww2 , no need to fire Generals over it , assuming supplies exist already . But you knew that already !

Why are the flight crews in need of basic shit that they should have like inverter welders, angle grinding tools, basic drills, and that sort of thing?

I was taken aback by how many pilots are receiving basic shit like headlights, medical gear, and radios

But the ground personnel need donations of basic tools that any fabricator/mechanic should have

These machines cost millions of dollars, and the ground crew don't have the things they need to maintain or make small upgrades to the machines ?

On the ground there's even multimeters FFS, so they are doing on the fly voltage testing using donated multimeters...

Guys happy to receive what should be standard issue

Radio, medical packs, headlamp, quadcopters for infantry

Ukroshitstan team; Limb and Arkhangelsk. Put yellow blue flags on profile pictures, fags...

ALAMO wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:Ukroshitstan team; Limb and Arkhangelsk. Put yellow blue flags on profile pictures, fags...

Oh shit, they are winning?
War in a zoo must be fascinating!

I claim that Arkhangelsk is Ukrop or simply hates Russia, there is no other explanation. A man who loves his country cannot write what he writes. Limb is a Nazi and a worthless piece of s..t, I have no doubts about that..








Here's something for them to toast each other...

Podlodka77 wrote:Ukroshitstan team; Limb and Arkhangelsk. Put yellow blue flags on profile pictures, fags...

Throw insults like the other loser sepheronx - because simply neither of you have anything meaningful to contribute, nor can you contradict the posts themselves

So you insult like a child

Whats funny is that the sources used in supposed "pro ukrainian" posts by myself and others

Is coming from Russian telegram

So fighterbomber, rybar, zastavny, and all those are pro ukropian sources

Anyway you have some of the copium for me?