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    Post  Hole Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:11 pm

    Did Erdogan bring a present? Some white powder? You know... Vitamin C. Wink  Winter is coming. Gas levels are low. You have to prepare yourself against a cold.  Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Bryansk region

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    Post  thegopnik Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:55 pm

    for dark humor laughs

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    But yeah there is no take ukraine partially but the entire country.

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    Post  Belisarius Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:16 am

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    Destroyed T-72M1 tank in Mykolayiv region

    Photos have emerged of one of the destroyed T-72M1 tanks used by Ukrainian armed formations near the village of Zelenyi Gai in Mykolayiv region.

    🔹 According to the official Ukraine received over 230 T-72M1 tanks from Poland and 40 tanks from the Czech Republic.

    🔹 The tanks from Poland and the Czech Republic were handed over in varying technical condition.

    🔹Dynamic protection systems 4C20 "Contact-1" for the tanks were handed over by Czech company STV Group.

    The T-72M1 is a slightly upgraded version of the T-72A tank with an additional 16mm armour plate on the upper frontal detail and combined turret armour with sand bars as filler.
    https://t.me/theRightPeople1/5732?single

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    Post  Backman Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:39 am

    calripson wrote:
    I was around in 1990s when the USSR collapsed. You are correct that virtually no one in power or among the people (under age 65 anyway) lifted a finger to stop it..

    So not too dissimilar Boomer oligarchy the west is under now.

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    Post  LMFS Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:44 am

    Belisarius wrote:Russia is doing this with 200k men, a peace time economy. Russia has not mobilized. Russia has employed 20% of its capability.

    Good post, I would simply add that Russia by now is probably not even using 200k soldiers., that was probably at the beginning of the SMO only. Most recent reliable accounts I read was 50k RF in the Donbass, going down, which means by now the number may be lower than 100k in total. But as you say, it does not matter that much if the enemy dies in droves by shelling without even managing to see what killed them.

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    Post  Backman Tue Aug 23, 2022 3:58 am

    So we have rumors that Kiev is emptying out. This has the same feel to it as the start of the war. Why does it seem like US knows when a decision like this is made. There could be a rat at a high level but there could just as easily be one inside the US too.


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    Post  ATLASCUB Tue Aug 23, 2022 4:05 am

    The U.S has moles in high places, lots of them. Plenty of traitors were to be had after the collapse of the Soviet Union lining up and volunteering - the cash and "guarantees" are just a bonus. It will take a generation at least for those moles on CIA's books to be phased out by nature itself. One of the many lasting damages to the dissolution of the Soviet Union is clearly that... no matter the "clean up" under Putin, there will always be a few that survive, usually the best of them, highest up the chain. They're clearly leaking big time.
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    Post  Backman Tue Aug 23, 2022 4:17 am

    ^ Herman Simms delivered Natos highest classified shit to Putins desk. So it always goes both ways

    With terror attacks in Moscow , Russia has to make Kiev feel unsafe. These vanity trips to Kiev by lowlife Western politicians have to stop right now.

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    Post  caveat emptor Tue Aug 23, 2022 4:37 am

    People moving out of Kiev started before Daria Dugina was murdered. Ukrainians issued notice to government officials to work remotely. I don't think they did because of her murder, but because they might be preparing terrorist attacks on Russian soil during celebrations of Ukrainian independence day on August 24. There can be other reasons i can think of.


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    Post  Backman Tue Aug 23, 2022 4:45 am

    This propaganda piece says Russia will hit civilian infrastructure. Not just decision centers.
    https://twitter.com/SGMWorldnews/status/1561863511797420032?t=8VVlrEejUW5Nuto2Q7tXrg&s=19

    I take this to indicate that the Kiev regime will target some civilian infrastructure itself with the himars. Possibly in Kiev. The US seems to like war refugee chaos. We haven't had much of that lately. It would make for good propaganda to see Kiev ppl burrow into the subway stations for cover again.

    You have to think of the most cynical depravity possible and that is what the US through the Kiev regime will do.

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    Post  OminousSpudd Tue Aug 23, 2022 7:26 am

    Rumours of a massive upcoming aerial campaign coinciding with Kiev residents vacating the premises and an information barrage about Russia hitting or intending to hit civilian infrastructure...

    Can't say I've got a great feeling about this. I don't know what the SBU + CIA can pull at this point, but given the track record of their side in this conflict, it won't be pretty, and it will be aimed at escalation and expansion of the war.

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    Post  sepheronx Tue Aug 23, 2022 7:42 am

    I think at this point, any Ukrainians going to Russia will need to be placed in closed communities (they can have hotels and shit) but limit their movement beyond the community until either after the conflict or they are vetted.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:28 am

    Backman wrote:This propaganda piece says Russia will hit civilian infrastructure. Not just decision centers.

    So they claim nothing new, as from the very beginning the Russkie strikes deliberately hospitals, schools, kindergartens, and civilian infrastructure.
    The end receiver of this "Information" is used to it already, won't be impressed Laughing

    sepheronx wrote:I think at this point, any Ukrainians going to Russia will need to be placed in closed communities (they can have hotels and shit) but limit their movement beyond the community until either after the conflict or they are vetted.

    A mass, voluntary relocation paid by the Russian govt, with the wealth&assets being bought back by the special agency, at a really fair price.
    Don't want to live in Russian Federation, that is perfectly fine, here is your cheque, and here is a train heading to Lviv.
    Sayonara, mother*cker.
    Sell that later on to refugees with huge discounts, or to people who want to relocate to Russia, to get the investment back at leat at some degree.
    And my favorite: exile for all sentenced guilty, with confiscation of all wealth, including the family-owned one, that will go to the relocation program fund.
    10 years and the issue will be resolved.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:34 am

    The only reason the USA lost in Vietnam was a lack of political will. If the war had gone on longer Vietnam would have lost. There were also self-imposed rules about going into to the north, kinda like how Russia is trying to wage a brotherly war which will eventually lead to their defeat.

    The North Vietnamese were fighting for their country... most south vietnamese generals were fighting for money... they realised the war in Vietnam was a colonial war with the natives trying to get rid of the foreigners and there would be no end... especially with Soviet support.

    The only thing that can save Russia is that if the war drags on enough, like Afghanistan the west will abandon Ukraine

    It is not costing the west anything... it is giving loans and dumping old stocks of weapons... it wont matter if this war goes for 20 years, they couldn't care less, their only stake in the game is any special forces or command support they might have there, but they are all normally expendable anyway.... ie they expect to lose some.

    Ukraine will NEVER be friendly with Russia it's either total war or defeat

    That is fine... the Ukrainians being rescued by Russian troops already want to join Russia, and the rest supported a nazi pawn regime propped up by a west openly using them but not investing a cent in their development and growth.

    Buying cheap farm land and letting their very high tech industries suffocate so they can later buy them up cheap and steal their resources and staff.

    Friends like that...

    Besides most Japanese hate Europeans, always have an always will... but the US has them under the thumb and they know not to show it too openly.

    It's even possible the US & EU will come around to the idea of serious negotiations and compromises on their part in a bid for a lasting accord with Russia and to save the assets they have left in the Ukraine.

    I suspect they will be planning for a north korea south korea type situation except in many ways in reverse because they simply don't have the funds to make the north and west of the Ukraine a nice place to live.

    Sure, there will be "teroborona" units, but these are not real soldiers and
    are mostly useful for terrorizing civilians.

    And those terrorised citizens wont put up with that shit for long... they will want life to return to normal as soon as possible and with Russian investment and Chinese investment and now North Korean labour things are looking rather better for that part of the Ukraine than they have looked for quite some time.

    That is the only way a minor power can defeat a major power.


    Double post... I deleted the first post because the second was the same plus more... the first post did have four likes but I am sure those members will like this one too in addition to a like from me.

    ...Please take the time to trim away extra conversations from the quote you are replying to... it is not hard to do.


    THat is still huge, but only if we take for granted the US based propaganda about how they had <400 men lost in the Desert Storm.
    But even if we stick to the same base propaganda, we will see the casualty ratio for the 2003+ invasion as much more on pair, what is even more bizarre as the Iraq was brought to a state of non-existence due to long time embargo and aerial campaign.
    Still, this is about a number of yearly road accidents in Russia victims.

    That is Russian and LNR and DNR as well...

    The Ukrainians don't realize it yet, but they will - that they have much to resent Washington, and London and Brussels and Berlin and Warsaw and the rest of them for. They were used as willing pawns, then egged on into a war they couldn't win, and then abandoned, while their patrons cut their losses after the experiment at bringing down Russia went awry.

    Agree with your points but it is going to be Putins fault and Russia is the aggressor for quite a bit of time to come...

    When the conflict ends and the west loses interest and abandons them... then they will have time to think about it perhaps...

    This carcass will be pushed for some kind of reintegration with Poland, and we see that quite obvious.

    Make it clear any attempts at joining EU or HATO will violate their neutral status and the tanks will roll again.

    They already have Albania and Kosovo... another failed state in the region is no big deal for the EU or US.

    It would just suck for those living there... like it does for Albania and Kosovo.

    Cheburashka MLRS systems manufactured in Donbass

    The tubes are not rifled at all and the rockets are short so I would think this is a 10-12km range system... which would be very good for supporting operations and provide heavy HE fire power, but not for long range or counter battery fire.

    Nice looking system.

    The U.S has moles in high places, lots of them. Plenty of traitors were to be had after the collapse of the Soviet Union lining up and volunteering - the cash and "guarantees" are just a bonus. It will take a generation at least for those moles on CIA's books to be phased out by nature itself. One of the many lasting damages to the dissolution of the Soviet Union is clearly that... no matter the "clean up" under Putin, there will always be a few that survive, usually the best of them, highest up the chain. They're clearly leaking big time.

    Or it is a precaution and a revenge attack that levels most of the city would be what they would do and have done in the past...

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:43 am

    GarryB wrote:
    The tubes are not rifled at all and the rockets are short so I would think this is a 10-12km range system... which would be very good for supporting operations and provide heavy HE fire power, but not for long range or counter battery fire.
    Nice looking system.

    It is tailored specially for their needs, so yes, the range was not the thing they have searched for.
    That thing carries about a double Grad warhead at a short, 9600 m max range and the rate of fire is increased if compared to the Grad. 64 ready-to-fire rockets in two blocks, so both can be fired simultaneously. Last but not least, the minimal fire range is much shorter - 1500 m only.
    A specially designed suppressive weapon for counter-battery fire against mortars.

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    Post  owais.usmani Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:46 am

    Backman wrote:So we have rumors that Kiev is emptying out. This has the same feel to it as the start of the war. Why does it seem like US knows when a decision like this is made. There could be a rat at a high level but there could just as easily be one inside the US too.



    Yeah right!

    Russia should have taken out all the Ukrainian decision making centers on February 24 already. But everybody knows that Russia would have the same chicken response that was after Moskva sinking, Belgorod refinery attacks and Crimea air bases blow up i.e. fire a few artillery shells here and there and pretend that nothing ever happened. That's why the Nazi's and there handlers in Brussels, London and Washington are getting bolder and bolder by the day angry
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    Post  ahmedfire Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:31 am

    Russians will assassinate for sure some Nazis in kiev and that's easy for Russian Int.

    Nazis are losing the war and that's why they are doing such moves that will not affect the combat itself ,Russia need to keep focus on the main target and keep away from distractions.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:11 am

    A MoA poster

    I'd bet that the suicide of Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Nakonechny, an officer of the SBU, the Ukrainian Security Service, is a result of this assassination. He learned that the FSB solved the crime quickly and was looking for the perps. He probably calculated that the thread would lead to others, and he was one of those others. So he knew he was a dead man before he pulled the trigger.
    And if this is correct, then there are others near and above him in equal danger. There will be more fallout besides just capturing the perps.

    Posted by: Richard Whitney | Aug 22 2022 23:18 utc | 193

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    I made the same connection, murder or suicide. However adept the SBU is at their craft, the FSB is light years ahead of them.

    Posted by: Breveski | Aug 22 2022 23:38 utc | 200



    Followed by

    1- Russia claims to have intel on all Azov nazies, that will use it to go after them all and will use it as proof in the trials in the Donbass;

    2- an ukrainian woman connected to Azov goes to Russia, starts living there, free as a bird;

    3- russian woman hated in the West and a minor symbol in Russia is killed in terrorist attack in the heart of Russia;

    4- very quickly, FSB has all details but somehow wasn't able to stop the terrorist attack;

    It doesn't take a genius to know that this was either a false flag of FSB, or that FSB decided to let it happen, to let the Ukrainian connected to Azov enter Russia and walk free in order to do all this.
    This terrorist attack serves all purposes of Russia right now:

    a) call Ukraine a terrorist state;

    b) rally more people to support the SMO, even those that were still undecided;

    c) use this as justification for the actions taking place in the next days/weeks/months that will probably be an escalation, and the death sentence of all Azov prisoners of war;

    d) give western governments and press one more chance to show their hate towards Russian and let them demonize themselves in the eyes of Russian people;

    e) put Russian nationalism on steroids and justify non-Democratic actions by the majority against those that still talk against this military intervention;

    Either this is the correct analysis of this chain of events that lead to the successful terrorist attack against a single person... Or the alternative is that either Ukraine has the best secret services in thr world... Or Russia has the worst ones. Since those 2 possibilites are equaly unlikely, then my analysis is correct.

    Just like Skripal was a false flag by the British secret services (or something they were monitoring and decided to let happen), where also intel appeared very unbelievably quickly about who was to blame. And also not quick enough to prevent an assassination of a single person, whose death serves so many geopolitical objectives and is just right for the regime's propaganda.

    I no longer believe anyone on any side. I always assume the worst case scenario is the actual truth. Humans already have a horrible nature. Humans with power are pure evil on earth. They all lie. They all have bad intentions. They all kill in the name of their goals.

    Humans that don't crave power, are the ones that should be in power. Right now that's impossible. And Capitalism "meritocracy" only makes it even worse. And until we find a different system, we'll have war and terrorism, crisis and inequality, coups and fake news, and lions for lambs.

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    Post  Scorpius Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:21 am

    sepheronx wrote:I think at this point, any Ukrainians going to Russia will need to be placed in closed communities (they can have hotels and shit) but limit their movement beyond the community until either after the conflict or they are vetted.

    The total number of refugees from Ukraine, according to official data alone, has amounted to 3.6 million since February 2022. Since 2014, the real figure may reach 10 million, among which there may be several hundred potential saboteurs. Is it worth subjecting 10 million people to deprivation for fear of missing out on a few hundred? I very much doubt it's worth it.

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    Post  Isos Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:41 am

    Backman wrote:So we have rumors that Kiev is emptying out. This has the same feel to it as the start of the war. Why does it seem like US knows when a decision like this is made. There could be a rat at a high level but there could just as easily be one inside the US too.



    IMO they will try to kill zlensky's wife. They have too because such events need to be responded. Even during the cold war such assasinations were not carried out. It spirals very quickly.

    Once Russia gets its revenge Washington will stop ykrops doing that again because Moscow can think its CIA and start killing US citizens which would spiral and lead to a very bad situation.

    Frankly I doubt Zelensky or the CIA were aware. It's probably a group of nazi doing it alone. That's something both side didn't want to do. No attempt on any russian or ukrainian official was tried this way. The fight was just on the battlefield. Washington must be pissed off.
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    Post  nomadski Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:42 am

    Should Russia liberate all areas of Ukraine ? Or just areas with majority Russian speaking populations ? By majority , let's suppose about 70% Russian . What are these regions ? Apart from Odessa ? What is the area of these regions in square kilometres ? Does anyone know , what square area of Ukraine has been liberated as a function of time ? How many square kilometres per day or month ? Then we have a good idea of how long it will take .

    Some say the advance in LDPR  has been slower than other areas , because of fortifications there . But advances along other fronts have been at a similar pace , with very similar square area liberated , even those without fortifications . The speed of advances , in all fronts , is due to other factors ( other than fortifications )  and is uniform . Hole has been posting regularly about daily advances . It will be very useful if someone could draw a graph of area liberated against time .
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    Post  TMA1 Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:00 pm

    Someone is going to get some polonium with the creamer in their coffee.

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    Post  Werewolf Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:03 pm

    nomadski wrote:Should Russia liberate all areas of Ukraine ? Or just areas with majority Russian speaking populations ? By majority , let's suppose about 70% Russian . What are these regions ? Apart from Odessa ? What is the area of these regions in square kilometres ? Does anyone know , what square area of Ukraine has been liberated as a function of time ? How many square kilometres per day or month ? Then we have a good idea of how long it will take .

    Some say the advance in LDPR  has been slower than other areas , because of fortifications there . But advances along other fronts have been at a similar pace , with very similar square area liberated , even those without fortifications . The speed of advances , in all fronts , is due to other factors ( other than fortifications )  and is uniform . Hole has been posting regularly about daily advances . It will be very useful if someone could draw a graph of area liberated against time .

    It is rather simple to understand.

    If you take over whole area once called the Ukraine right now, then you have even more fascsits or pro-ukrops being more or less free to go where ever they want, which is unfavorable. Current event shows this like ISIS cockroaches. There must be an enclave within Russia where all the pro-ukrainians can find "refuge" and over the years you just make raids and eleminate the fascists. It will take 10-20 years before it reaches any normal levels of sanity amongst the lobotomized Russians today called Ukrainians. The rest will learn the truth over time and more and more people will have a feeling of deep shame even to associate with Ukraine, flag, Moiva and the alternative history where they believe Kievskaya Rus' is a government and completely ignore "Rus'".

    It is no easy situation nor solution. There are many questions and many issues related to treating it to soft and to hard, but that they can not roam freely should be understood.

    In my opinion, plausible would be to leave western parts as "Ukraine" with hopefully polish nationalists having a free to go hunt on Banderists, since they have a historical reason to hate the scum of UPA and anyone supporting it. This will be a shared solution to denazify that scum, while benefit is the hatred of the Hohols will also have a new focus, moral will fall as they will understand no one supports them and no one gives a flying turd about them.

    Question is, will the Poles have any say in what their politics will be or are they gonna be fisted by Pentagon's hand and play the puppet they always have been.

    There is a chance of Poles doing exactly this or the chance that history will repeat itself and Poland will be no more on the global map and seize to exist. The chances for Poland to get a bloody nose is 95% likely as of now and their russophobia.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:27 pm


    Russia should have taken out all the Ukrainian decision making centers on February 24 already.

    If they did that by now they might have someone competent in power making good choices instead of the current mob whose main focus seems to be distraction while they steal everything they can.

    That's why the Nazi's and there handlers in Brussels, London and Washington are getting bolder and bolder by the day

    The nazis in Ukraine, which is all Russia can deal with are getting deader and deader.

    The Nazis in the west are not Russias problem and when ties are properly cut they wont care at all.

    Just like Skripal was a false flag by the British secret services (or something they were monitoring and decided to let happen), where also intel appeared very unbelievably quickly about who was to blame. And also not quick enough to prevent an assassination of a single person, whose death serves so many geopolitical objectives and is just right for the regime's propaganda.

    What is this dribble... Ukrainian murders Russian but somehow the FSB and Putin are still to blame... **** off.

    I no longer believe anyone on any side. I always assume the worst case scenario is the actual truth. Humans already have a horrible nature. Humans with power are pure evil on earth. They all lie. They all have bad intentions. They all kill in the name of their goals.

    Which renders this guy fucking useless except for made up stories about how evil the whole world is.

    Putin has shown morality and ethics and also restraint and even mercy in the past which western "experts" mis-characterise as weakness...

    Surprise surprise... they still don't understand him or Russia.

    Humans that don't crave power, are the ones that should be in power. Right now that's impossible. And Capitalism "meritocracy" only makes it even worse. And until we find a different system, we'll have war and terrorism, crisis and inequality, coups and fake news, and lions for lambs.

    The west is in the process of pushing the rest of the world to accept that new system... their use of their own power in international orgs is destroying that same power through its misuse...

    Since 2014, the real figure may reach 10 million, among which there may be several hundred potential saboteurs. Is it worth subjecting 10 million people to deprivation for fear of missing out on a few hundred? I very much doubt it's worth it.

    Better question would be could it even be done and the vast majority who suffer wont be the ones you should be after in the first place.

    Collective punishments almost never work and need to be the last resort... like this conflict ironically.

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